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recommended surveyors in San Diego
Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for
recommendations on surveyors. I have been told the going rate is $10/foot and haulout is also about the same. Looking for someone that will do a thorough job for the money. Thanks. |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
Contact BoatUS and ask for a copy of their approved surveyors in your
area. These are the ones approved for their insurance purposes. Gordon Wedman wrote: Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for recommendations on surveyors. I have been told the going rate is $10/foot and haulout is also about the same. Looking for someone that will do a thorough job for the money. Thanks. |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
is boats us worth the $$ to join? are there ins rates
good?....thanx... chuck wrote: Contact BoatUS and ask for a copy of their approved surveyors in your area. These are the ones approved for their insurance purposes. Gordon Wedman wrote: Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for recommendations on surveyors. I have been told the going rate is $10/foot and haulout is also about the same. Looking for someone that will do a thorough job for the money. Thanks. |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
chuck wrote: Contact BoatUS and ask for a copy of their approved surveyors in your area. These are the ones approved for their insurance purposes. Gordon Wedman wrote: Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for recommendations on surveyors. I have been told the going rate is $10/foot and haulout is also about the same. Looking for someone that will do a thorough job for the money. Thanks. Thanks for the suggestion. I see they have a Marine Surveyors Directory which lists a number of surveyors for Southern California including two in San Diego. I also see the following disclaimer: "NOTE: BoatUS does not endorse or guarantee the performance of surveyors. No warranties, expressed or implied are intended or created by this listing. Any questions regarding the scope of the surveyor's inspection the cost, or the content of their reports should be discussed with the surveyor." This makes me think anyone can be listed if they pay. Nevertheless I will contact the two San Diego listings to see what they offer. |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
Gordon Wedman wrote:
Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for recommendations on surveyors. One outfit I would *not* recommend is Christian & Co. They have a big name and may have been good long ago, when Kells Christian himself did did the small pleasurecraft C&V surveys, but later I learned he's moved on to bigger and better things (commercial craft) and I had a disappointing experience with them. Sort of a "bait and switch" con. I needed an SAMS(?) accredited marine surveyor, and Kells has been one since '94, so I hired him. Imagine my surprise when a local guy who makes his living "workin' on boats" around the harbor showed up, not listed as SAMS certified on the SAMS site. When I inquired he said, "That don't mean a surveyor is any good." Should have put a stop to it right there, but to make a long story short, he erred on my boat's dimensions, engine horsepower, identified my alcohol stove as a propane stove, labelled the deck coring material as "unknown" when it was easily visible by unzipping any headliner, listed one engine blower when there's two, miscounted the winches and their sizes, miscounted the anchors, etc., etc. And the boat is a common design whose manfacturer was located 50 miles north of San Diego. He even had the gall to ask, " Hey, you've got a lot of sails on this boat, could you list them and their condition for me?" He then couldn't even transcribe my list correctly and misreported the sail count and types. Also took almost a month to get around to finishing the survey. When I got it, it was also obvious he wasn't in command of the English language, so I complained (to the phone secretary) and she requested I correct the errors, send the edited version to them, and they'll revise the survey. I'm acting as their free QA/QC service? What am I paying $350 for? Version II was still messed up (apparently I own no mainsails and am missing 2 winches), but I gave up and moved on. Didn't hear from the insurance company so I guess I passed. Unlike other surveys I've had done in the past, the final product was a pile of hazy fluff with only 3 recommendations like "Paint rust spots on engine." During the purchase survey I had done, Peter Britton, the surveyor, spent 4 hours going through every inch of the boat (requested I remove as many non-CG required items as possible from lockers prior to survey), dragged a hunk of sail out of every bag, and was one dirty tired guy when he was done. His survey actually described the boat completely, with dimensions (right down to chain lengths, halyard materials, etc., etc.) and equipment manufacturer's names, locations of gelcoat crazing, caught a cracked lifeline swage, etc. His recommendations list was 28 items long, divided into 3 sections - Mandatory, Recommended, and Suggested. A lot of them were quite incisive and news to me. He also sat down with me, answered all my questions, and chit-chatted with me about this particular model of boat, of which he had surveyed several dozen of over the years. That survey was money well spent, although cleaning up after him was a chore; if something was in the way, he threw it on the bunks or cabin sole. Obviously, the Christian guy spent less than an hour, didn't crack open a locker or spend much time on the paperwork. Tried to discuss the situation with Kells, but he didn't give a sh*t and said it was standard industry practice. Waste of my time and money. Sorry I don't have a surveyor to recommend; Peter Britton up in Fountain Valley is getting on in years and doesn't like to travel much anymore. Might even be retired now for all I know. |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
"Mark" wrote in message ups.com... Gordon Wedman wrote: Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for recommendations on surveyors. One outfit I would *not* recommend is Christian & Co. They have a big name and may have been good long ago, when Kells Christian himself did did the small pleasurecraft C&V surveys, but later I learned he's moved on to bigger and better things (commercial craft) and I had a disappointing experience with them. Sort of a "bait and switch" con. I needed an SAMS(?) accredited marine surveyor, and Kells has been one since '94, so I hired him. Imagine my surprise when a local guy who makes his living "workin' on boats" around the harbor showed up, not listed as SAMS certified on the SAMS site. When I inquired he said, "That don't mean a surveyor is any good." Should have put a stop to it right there, but to make a long story short, he erred on my boat's dimensions, engine horsepower, identified my alcohol stove as a propane stove, labelled the deck coring material as "unknown" when it was easily visible by unzipping any headliner, listed one engine blower when there's two, miscounted the winches and their sizes, miscounted the anchors, etc., etc. And the boat is a common design whose manfacturer was located 50 miles north of San Diego. He even had the gall to ask, " Hey, you've got a lot of sails on this boat, could you list them and their condition for me?" He then couldn't even transcribe my list correctly and misreported the sail count and types. Also took almost a month to get around to finishing the survey. When I got it, it was also obvious he wasn't in command of the English language, so I complained (to the phone secretary) and she requested I correct the errors, send the edited version to them, and they'll revise the survey. I'm acting as their free QA/QC service? What am I paying $350 for? Version II was still messed up (apparently I own no mainsails and am missing 2 winches), but I gave up and moved on. Didn't hear from the insurance company so I guess I passed. Unlike other surveys I've had done in the past, the final product was a pile of hazy fluff with only 3 recommendations like "Paint rust spots on engine." During the purchase survey I had done, Peter Britton, the surveyor, spent 4 hours going through every inch of the boat (requested I remove as many non-CG required items as possible from lockers prior to survey), dragged a hunk of sail out of every bag, and was one dirty tired guy when he was done. His survey actually described the boat completely, with dimensions (right down to chain lengths, halyard materials, etc., etc.) and equipment manufacturer's names, locations of gelcoat crazing, caught a cracked lifeline swage, etc. His recommendations list was 28 items long, divided into 3 sections - Mandatory, Recommended, and Suggested. A lot of them were quite incisive and news to me. He also sat down with me, answered all my questions, and chit-chatted with me about this particular model of boat, of which he had surveyed several dozen of over the years. That survey was money well spent, although cleaning up after him was a chore; if something was in the way, he threw it on the bunks or cabin sole. Obviously, the Christian guy spent less than an hour, didn't crack open a locker or spend much time on the paperwork. Tried to discuss the situation with Kells, but he didn't give a sh*t and said it was standard industry practice. Waste of my time and money. Sorry I don't have a surveyor to recommend; Peter Britton up in Fountain Valley is getting on in years and doesn't like to travel much anymore. Might even be retired now for all I know. Mark Thanks for the note. I see Christian and Company is listed in the Boat US Directory of Marine Surveyors. If I decide to use them I will insist on a SAMS or NAMS accreditied surveyor. I wonder if Peter Britton might recommend someone? Sounds like he did a terrific job and maybe he knows someone who would do the same. Any contact info? Thanks |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
Gordon Wedman wrote: I wonder if Peter Britton might recommend someone? . . . Any contact info? A quick web search: Peter Britton NAMS-CMS Marine Surveyor Fountain Valley CA 714-531-2444 |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
I did use Christian about 5 months ago and he did an ok job for me.
He showed up and did the survey himself and then went over the survey with me. My issue with him was: actual charge vrs quote...don't remember exactly how but I ended up paying more than what I was quoted (might have been my broker's mistake). To be fair I have to say that he caught an issue on one engine that the engines' surveyors didn't catch. If you get him to do the job, make sure he explains to you his quote, try to be there while does the survey and then be very careful when reading the report, ask as many questions as you can. M. He was persona Gordon Wedman wrote: "Mark" wrote in message ups.com... Gordon Wedman wrote: Considering the purchase of a boat in San Diego and am looking for recommendations on surveyors. One outfit I would *not* recommend is Christian & Co. They have a big name and may have been good long ago, when Kells Christian himself did did the small pleasurecraft C&V surveys, but later I learned he's moved on to bigger and better things (commercial craft) and I had a disappointing experience with them. Sort of a "bait and switch" con. I needed an SAMS(?) accredited marine surveyor, and Kells has been one since '94, so I hired him. Imagine my surprise when a local guy who makes his living "workin' on boats" around the harbor showed up, not listed as SAMS certified on the SAMS site. When I inquired he said, "That don't mean a surveyor is any good." Should have put a stop to it right there, but to make a long story short, he erred on my boat's dimensions, engine horsepower, identified my alcohol stove as a propane stove, labelled the deck coring material as "unknown" when it was easily visible by unzipping any headliner, listed one engine blower when there's two, miscounted the winches and their sizes, miscounted the anchors, etc., etc. And the boat is a common design whose manfacturer was located 50 miles north of San Diego. He even had the gall to ask, " Hey, you've got a lot of sails on this boat, could you list them and their condition for me?" He then couldn't even transcribe my list correctly and misreported the sail count and types. Also took almost a month to get around to finishing the survey. When I got it, it was also obvious he wasn't in command of the English language, so I complained (to the phone secretary) and she requested I correct the errors, send the edited version to them, and they'll revise the survey. I'm acting as their free QA/QC service? What am I paying $350 for? Version II was still messed up (apparently I own no mainsails and am missing 2 winches), but I gave up and moved on. Didn't hear from the insurance company so I guess I passed. Unlike other surveys I've had done in the past, the final product was a pile of hazy fluff with only 3 recommendations like "Paint rust spots on engine." During the purchase survey I had done, Peter Britton, the surveyor, spent 4 hours going through every inch of the boat (requested I remove as many non-CG required items as possible from lockers prior to survey), dragged a hunk of sail out of every bag, and was one dirty tired guy when he was done. His survey actually described the boat completely, with dimensions (right down to chain lengths, halyard materials, etc., etc.) and equipment manufacturer's names, locations of gelcoat crazing, caught a cracked lifeline swage, etc. His recommendations list was 28 items long, divided into 3 sections - Mandatory, Recommended, and Suggested. A lot of them were quite incisive and news to me. He also sat down with me, answered all my questions, and chit-chatted with me about this particular model of boat, of which he had surveyed several dozen of over the years. That survey was money well spent, although cleaning up after him was a chore; if something was in the way, he threw it on the bunks or cabin sole. Obviously, the Christian guy spent less than an hour, didn't crack open a locker or spend much time on the paperwork. Tried to discuss the situation with Kells, but he didn't give a sh*t and said it was standard industry practice. Waste of my time and money. Sorry I don't have a surveyor to recommend; Peter Britton up in Fountain Valley is getting on in years and doesn't like to travel much anymore. Might even be retired now for all I know. Mark Thanks for the note. I see Christian and Company is listed in the Boat US Directory of Marine Surveyors. If I decide to use them I will insist on a SAMS or NAMS accreditied surveyor. I wonder if Peter Britton might recommend someone? Sounds like he did a terrific job and maybe he knows someone who would do the same. Any contact info? Thanks |
recommended surveyors in San Diego
"Mark" wrote in message oups.com... Gordon Wedman wrote: I wonder if Peter Britton might recommend someone? . . . Any contact info? A quick web search: Peter Britton NAMS-CMS Marine Surveyor Fountain Valley CA 714-531-2444 Thanks Mark and map. I'll give Peter a call if it gets to the survey stage. Going to make an offer next week to get the negotiations going. |
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