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I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for
running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. I really like the new Yamaha SR230 jet boat but I am not sure whether that would be a good choice for the bay waters. Is a jet boat still an option in rougher waters like that of the Chesapeake bay and will it be a decent performer in the salt water? This seems to be such a great boat with nice seating and a decent size. Any advice or things to think about? |
New family boat
whitespc1 wrote:
I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. I really like the new Yamaha SR230 jet boat but I am not sure whether that would be a good choice for the bay waters. Is a jet boat still an option in rougher waters like that of the Chesapeake bay and will it be a decent performer in the salt water? This seems to be such a great boat with nice seating and a decent size. Any advice or things to think about? A little more info would be nice. The difference between Annapolis and Havre de Grace or the C&D canal (all in MD) is astounding. If you're near the Solomons, the rules are entirely different than all the above. In other words, WHERE in MD? Yes, we're sailboaters, but we raft up with a bunch of powerboats many weekends. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Thanks, Scott "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. I really like the new Yamaha SR230 jet boat but I am not sure whether that would be a good choice for the bay waters. Is a jet boat still an option in rougher waters like that of the Chesapeake bay and will it be a decent performer in the salt water? This seems to be such a great boat with nice seating and a decent size. Any advice or things to think about? A little more info would be nice. The difference between Annapolis and Havre de Grace or the C&D canal (all in MD) is astounding. If you're near the Solomons, the rules are entirely different than all the above. In other words, WHERE in MD? Yes, we're sailboaters, but we raft up with a bunch of powerboats many weekends. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message . .. whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. I really like the new Yamaha SR230 jet boat but I am not sure whether that would be a good choice for the bay waters. Is a jet boat still an option in rougher waters like that of the Chesapeake bay and will it be a decent performer in the salt water? This seems to be such a great boat with nice seating and a decent size. Any advice or things to think about? A little more info would be nice. The difference between Annapolis and Havre de Grace or the C&D canal (all in MD) is astounding. If you're near the Solomons, the rules are entirely different than all the above. In other words, WHERE in MD? Whitespc wrote: Havre de Grace Thanks, Scott In that case, a jet boat should be just fine if it's otherwise okay for your needs. The Flats rarely get really rough because so much of the area is only a foot or two deep. In a pinch, you can run to the nearest island or shore to park it while a squall line comes through. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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whitespc1 wrote:
I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. ....snip... Havre de Grace A coupla comments, just FYI. Good points of jetboats are that they are shallow draft and pretty dependable. OTOH, they get bad gas mileage. They are easily yanked around by skiers boarders, tubes, etc. They're not very roomy. Our family of four decided that an open bow tournament skiboat was the best decision for us in circumstances similar to yours. You can buy a decent used skiboat for the price of a new jetboat. They ain't real good in rough water; but you probably ain't out doing family watersports when things are rough. My $.02, Frank |
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L.M. , where do you boat? You mentioned a lake......
I am interested in hearing how a jet boat would do in the salt water and in the bay or heavier waters... any ideas? Any other negatives or positives you can tell me about the jet boat option versus the standard cuddy or bow-rider? "L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message ... On 22 Jul 2003 23:18:24 -0700, (Frank and Ronnie Maier) wrote (with possible editing): whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. ...snip... Havre de Grace A coupla comments, just FYI. Good points of jetboats are that they are shallow draft and pretty dependable. OTOH, they get bad gas mileage. They are easily yanked around by skiers boarders, tubes, etc. They're not very roomy. Our family of four decided that an open bow tournament skiboat was the best decision for us in circumstances similar to yours. You can buy a decent used skiboat for the price of a new jetboat. They ain't real good in rough water; but you probably ain't out doing family watersports when things are rough. My $.02, Frank FWLIW, I went through the same exercise and ended up with an 18.5' SeaDoo by Bombardier. It is also an open bow boat, quite broad in beam, with a hull which seems to be perhaps a bit better optimized for a jet boat. Our first day out on a lake we ended up coming back to dock into relatively heavy water, 4' waves with wind-driven rain. It handled remarkably well. The power plant is a 200 hp 2 cycle Merc, not what I would have picked, but the 40 gallon gas and 2 gallon oil tanks give us plenty of range. -- Larry |
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"L. M. Rappaport" wrote:
On 22 Jul 2003 23:18:24 -0700, (Frank and Ronnie Maier) wrote (with possible editing): whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. ...snip... Havre de Grace A coupla comments, just FYI. Good points of jetboats are that they are shallow draft and pretty dependable. OTOH, they get bad gas mileage. They are easily yanked around by skiers boarders, tubes, etc. They're not very roomy. Our family of four decided that an open bow tournament skiboat was the best decision for us in circumstances similar to yours. You can buy a decent used skiboat for the price of a new jetboat. They ain't real good in rough water; but you probably ain't out doing family watersports when things are rough. My $.02, Frank FWLIW, I went through the same exercise and ended up with an 18.5' SeaDoo by Bombardier. It is also an open bow boat, quite broad in beam, with a hull which seems to be perhaps a bit better optimized for a jet boat. Our first day out on a lake we ended up coming back to dock into relatively heavy water, 4' waves with wind-driven rain. It handled remarkably well. The power plant is a 200 hp 2 cycle Merc, not what I would have picked, but the 40 gallon gas and 2 gallon oil tanks give us plenty of range. -- Larry I thought two cycle engines are 'out' cos of the high pollution? Even my lawn mower is 4 cycle! |
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:02:47 -0400, "whitespc1"
wrote (with possible editing): L.M. , where do you boat? You mentioned a lake...... I am in Colebrook, New Hampshire, on the border with Vermont, and just 10 miles south of the Canadian Border. We have a lot of lakes up here. So far we have tried Lake Francis, First Connecticut Lake, Lake Umbagog (also partly in Maine), Maidstone Lake (in Vermont). If it would just stop RAINING, we will be going to Lake Memphramagog (partly in Vermont, mostly in Canada), and several more large lakes in Maine. I am interested in hearing how a jet boat would do in the salt water and in the bay or heavier waters... any ideas? Any other negatives or positives you can tell me about the jet boat option versus the standard cuddy or bow-rider? I can't tell you anything substantive (yet) about a jet boat in sal****er - although we are planning to take a trip with it to Bar Harbor in late summer. I prefer the hull design of the Sea Doo over the standard bow rider. Up here the standard bow rider seems to mean Bayliner, Crestliner and some Glasstron. The Sea Doo seems to do much better in rough water, although freshwater "rough" is a FAR cry from sal****er. A jet boat has no transmission - it is an engine connected to a pump. It turns by directing the jet out of a steerable port. To reverse, a semi-circular half-pipe like affair is lowered over the pipe. "Neutral" consists of the pipe half-lowered, so part of the stream is directed forward, and half back. The boat handles very differently at low speeds. In this regard, it is very much like the old inboards - sluggish. To help, Bombardier has added an interesting featu when you are moving slowly and turn the helm to an extreme, the motor is temporarily sped up to help "kick" the boat around. On plane, the boat handles much like other craft, except that it can turn extremely sharp. I picked a jet boat as the lakes up here tend to have a lot of submerged rocks. Lower units tend to cost $1000 to replace. I picked motor vs. sail as I've spent far too much time becalmed at the far end of a lake. This is my first jet boat, and I've had it only a few weeks. Prior to this and over many years, I've had two small outboards, an 18' Century Coronado (inboard) back in the early 60's, a 26' Chris Craft, a 38' twin screw Hubert Johnson (incredible boat), plus several sailboats, from a Sunfish, Dexter Dart, up to an older 36' or 38' Morgan (I think). I grew up on Long Island, and have sailed quite a bit in and around Bermuda. I am definitely not an expert, I just love boating. -- Larry |
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The Yamaha SR230 that I am considering is a 4 stroke:
Environmentally-minded Innovations By employing proven technologies, Yamaha delivers significant reductions in emissions output and noise levels without compromising performance and reliability. These technologies include: a.. Yamaha MR-1 Four-Stroke Engine - Yamaha's first sport boat four-stroke engine is one of the cleanest, quietest, most fuel-efficient engines ever introduced. b.. Yamaha Sound Suppression System - This system of integrated noise reduction components targets the three common types of noise: 1.) intake noise, 2.) exhaust noise and 3.) noise from vibration. "Terry" wrote in message ... "L. M. Rappaport" wrote: On 22 Jul 2003 23:18:24 -0700, (Frank and Ronnie Maier) wrote (with possible editing): whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. ...snip... Havre de Grace A coupla comments, just FYI. Good points of jetboats are that they are shallow draft and pretty dependable. OTOH, they get bad gas mileage. They are easily yanked around by skiers boarders, tubes, etc. They're not very roomy. Our family of four decided that an open bow tournament skiboat was the best decision for us in circumstances similar to yours. You can buy a decent used skiboat for the price of a new jetboat. They ain't real good in rough water; but you probably ain't out doing family watersports when things are rough. My $.02, Frank FWLIW, I went through the same exercise and ended up with an 18.5' SeaDoo by Bombardier. It is also an open bow boat, quite broad in beam, with a hull which seems to be perhaps a bit better optimized for a jet boat. Our first day out on a lake we ended up coming back to dock into relatively heavy water, 4' waves with wind-driven rain. It handled remarkably well. The power plant is a 200 hp 2 cycle Merc, not what I would have picked, but the 40 gallon gas and 2 gallon oil tanks give us plenty of range. -- Larry I thought two cycle engines are 'out' cos of the high pollution? Even my lawn mower is 4 cycle! |
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Hi,
I've had a 2001 Yamaha LS2000 for two years. I would like to share some thoughts on this boat. It is a calm water boat, due to the lack of a "deep V". Anything over a 2' chop is quite nasty. The advantage to this is that it handles incredibly at planing speeds. It's basically a big fat jet ski. Although it can be a fun boat, these are the things I dislike about it. 1: It appears to be louder than conventional boats even at idle. 2: Two stroke motors have power gaps - particularly between 4000, and 5000 rpms. 3: It is a big giant vacum cleaner - sucking up sand, and, or pebbles can damage the impellers.( I recommend at least 2 foot depth of water.) Sucking up seaweed means a 5 minute venture pulling out the weeds from the cleanout plugs. 4:The windsheilds are for show only (very low) - your going to get wet heading into the wind with a slight chop. 5:No front bow cleat! I have to tie the anchor to the side cleat. (Everyone knows anchoring to the rear cleat is a no-no.) 6:No canvas enclosure option to extend the boating season. 7:Nowhere to mount electronics. 8:No weather seal for the glove compartment, which holds the radio - radio got wet - radio doesn't work. 9:Cleanout plugs can become rocket propelled if not seated properly - blowing the hatch open and landing in the drink. (They don't float, and they cost about $200 a piece.) 10:If one motor is disabled, you can't throttle past idle speeds with the other motor without forcing water through the disabled motor's exhast port, which would damage the engine. 11:This baby drinks gas pretty fast. Handling a jet boat is alot different than a conventional prop system, particularly at docking speeds, however once mastered, it can be a slight advantage over a prop system.(No sidestepping, and the use of throttles individually). This boat is known for the ability to do 180 degree spinouts. (Smooth bottom hull). I do this only on smooth water , NO chop, and NO other boats around. Disclaimer: I do NOT condone this! (Ready for flaming - yawn.) I like the safety advantage of no exposed propellers. .. I highly recommend an extended manufacturers warranty, (not aftermarket, which is worthless). I wouldn't pay more than 5 - 6% of the price of the boat. Check out the Yamaha jet boat message board for information from other Yamaha jet boat owners. http://network54.com/Forum/103885 LJ "whitespc1" wrote in message ... The Yamaha SR230 that I am considering is a 4 stroke: Environmentally-minded Innovations By employing proven technologies, Yamaha delivers significant reductions in emissions output and noise levels without compromising performance and reliability. These technologies include: a.. Yamaha MR-1 Four-Stroke Engine - Yamaha's first sport boat four-stroke engine is one of the cleanest, quietest, most fuel-efficient engines ever introduced. b.. Yamaha Sound Suppression System - This system of integrated noise reduction components targets the three common types of noise: 1.) intake noise, 2.) exhaust noise and 3.) noise from vibration. "Terry" wrote in message ... "L. M. Rappaport" wrote: On 22 Jul 2003 23:18:24 -0700, (Frank and Ronnie Maier) wrote (with possible editing): whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. ...snip... Havre de Grace A coupla comments, just FYI. Good points of jetboats are that they are shallow draft and pretty dependable. OTOH, they get bad gas mileage. They are easily yanked around by skiers boarders, tubes, etc. They're not very roomy. Our family of four decided that an open bow tournament skiboat was the best decision for us in circumstances similar to yours. You can buy a decent used skiboat for the price of a new jetboat. They ain't real good in rough water; but you probably ain't out doing family watersports when things are rough. My $.02, Frank FWLIW, I went through the same exercise and ended up with an 18.5' SeaDoo by Bombardier. It is also an open bow boat, quite broad in beam, with a hull which seems to be perhaps a bit better optimized for a jet boat. Our first day out on a lake we ended up coming back to dock into relatively heavy water, 4' waves with wind-driven rain. It handled remarkably well. The power plant is a 200 hp 2 cycle Merc, not what I would have picked, but the 40 gallon gas and 2 gallon oil tanks give us plenty of range. -- Larry I thought two cycle engines are 'out' cos of the high pollution? Even my lawn mower is 4 cycle! |
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Excellent information Lou! This is the kind of stuff that makes forums
worthwhile. Thanks again for taking the time to document all of that. It seems as if there are some significant new developments with Yamaha's latest jet boat, the SR230. It is a 4 stroke, has a windshield, quieter, blah, blah, blah. IF I choose this boat I will definitely wait a year or two so that the model is improved upon. Thanks again for the information since I think in the end the choice will not be the jet boat considering what I am using it for. Scott "Lou" wrote in message .net... Hi, I've had a 2001 Yamaha LS2000 for two years. I would like to share some thoughts on this boat. It is a calm water boat, due to the lack of a "deep V". Anything over a 2' chop is quite nasty. The advantage to this is that it handles incredibly at planing speeds. It's basically a big fat jet ski. Although it can be a fun boat, these are the things I dislike about it. 1: It appears to be louder than conventional boats even at idle. 2: Two stroke motors have power gaps - particularly between 4000, and 5000 rpms. 3: It is a big giant vacum cleaner - sucking up sand, and, or pebbles can damage the impellers.( I recommend at least 2 foot depth of water.) Sucking up seaweed means a 5 minute venture pulling out the weeds from the cleanout plugs. 4:The windsheilds are for show only (very low) - your going to get wet heading into the wind with a slight chop. 5:No front bow cleat! I have to tie the anchor to the side cleat. (Everyone knows anchoring to the rear cleat is a no-no.) 6:No canvas enclosure option to extend the boating season. 7:Nowhere to mount electronics. 8:No weather seal for the glove compartment, which holds the radio - radio got wet - radio doesn't work. 9:Cleanout plugs can become rocket propelled if not seated properly - blowing the hatch open and landing in the drink. (They don't float, and they cost about $200 a piece.) 10:If one motor is disabled, you can't throttle past idle speeds with the other motor without forcing water through the disabled motor's exhast port, which would damage the engine. 11:This baby drinks gas pretty fast. Handling a jet boat is alot different than a conventional prop system, particularly at docking speeds, however once mastered, it can be a slight advantage over a prop system.(No sidestepping, and the use of throttles individually). This boat is known for the ability to do 180 degree spinouts. (Smooth bottom hull). I do this only on smooth water , NO chop, and NO other boats around. Disclaimer: I do NOT condone this! (Ready for flaming - yawn.) I like the safety advantage of no exposed propellers. . I highly recommend an extended manufacturers warranty, (not aftermarket, which is worthless). I wouldn't pay more than 5 - 6% of the price of the boat. Check out the Yamaha jet boat message board for information from other Yamaha jet boat owners. http://network54.com/Forum/103885 LJ "whitespc1" wrote in message ... The Yamaha SR230 that I am considering is a 4 stroke: Environmentally-minded Innovations By employing proven technologies, Yamaha delivers significant reductions in emissions output and noise levels without compromising performance and reliability. These technologies include: a.. Yamaha MR-1 Four-Stroke Engine - Yamaha's first sport boat four-stroke engine is one of the cleanest, quietest, most fuel-efficient engines ever introduced. b.. Yamaha Sound Suppression System - This system of integrated noise reduction components targets the three common types of noise: 1.) intake noise, 2.) exhaust noise and 3.) noise from vibration. "Terry" wrote in message ... "L. M. Rappaport" wrote: On 22 Jul 2003 23:18:24 -0700, (Frank and Ronnie Maier) wrote (with possible editing): whitespc1 wrote: I am interested in a powerboat for the family. This will be used for running around the Chesapeake bay in Maryland, skiing, tubing, and day trips. ...snip... Havre de Grace A coupla comments, just FYI. Good points of jetboats are that they are shallow draft and pretty dependable. OTOH, they get bad gas mileage. They are easily yanked around by skiers boarders, tubes, etc. They're not very roomy. Our family of four decided that an open bow tournament skiboat was the best decision for us in circumstances similar to yours. You can buy a decent used skiboat for the price of a new jetboat. They ain't real good in rough water; but you probably ain't out doing family watersports when things are rough. My $.02, Frank FWLIW, I went through the same exercise and ended up with an 18.5' SeaDoo by Bombardier. It is also an open bow boat, quite broad in beam, with a hull which seems to be perhaps a bit better optimized for a jet boat. Our first day out on a lake we ended up coming back to dock into relatively heavy water, 4' waves with wind-driven rain. It handled remarkably well. The power plant is a 200 hp 2 cycle Merc, not what I would have picked, but the 40 gallon gas and 2 gallon oil tanks give us plenty of range. -- Larry I thought two cycle engines are 'out' cos of the high pollution? Even my lawn mower is 4 cycle! |
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