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I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy |
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"Edoardo" wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or expensive SAT Time, or BOTH...... |
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In article . com, "Edoardo" wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or expensive SAT Time, or BOTH...... This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system. things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because somebody started talking about?) I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the "wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one. The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works. Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but I can't find any good source of information about. thanks anyway.. |
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Hi, Eduardo,
Edoardo wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy I don't want to rain on your parade. However, you asked about satellite, as compared to other means of internet. If you want full browsing and other like-at-home capabiliities, it's certainly within the range of today's technology. Just ask the major merchant marine folks, who have that aboard. But it comes at a cost. *Lots* of whatever coinage you choose will accomplish the job. Just like the (American - don't know where you are) saying: Fast, Cheap, Good. Choose two. In the case of marine internet, it's pretty much the same. Want it good, and fast (not the equivalent of 20 years ago's dial-up), it's not cheap. Want it fast and cheap? Go ashore to internet cafés (no hardware investment). Good and cheap? Still working on it, but in relative terms, SSB "modems" can get you email and if you're a Ham, somewhat larger files, but still not browsing. I'm currently working on, and am whittling away at problems encountered, being able to access wifi from out in the harbor, without having to be tied to an antenna - but there will still have to be some gear up the mast, if I'm successful. However, that's only going to work in range of some AP, most likely some household with an open router, or a commercial pay site. And then there's the satellite phones connected like a modem/dialer. Now you're up to perhaps 15 years ago's speeds, but you can do whatever you want with your minutes, and endure the time it takes to load a page. About a grand to get in for the SSB/Ham, minimum, plus the radio (many flavors and costs) but minimal costs (free HAM and 250/year SSB), and about the same for the satphone (but with minute costs plus whatever plan you're on - and flaky coverage depending on where you are an whose service/phone you have). So, the other responses aren't being flip. If you want good solid satellite internet coverage, it's major dinero, euro, bux, or your favorite. The others are less costly and less effective. L8R Skip, working on the boat, one of which projects includes harborage and anchorage wifi |
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Don't listen to the ignorance and nay saying regarding internet service
while at sea. Several providers have sail mail. Many marinas offer high speed internet on a global basis. Research what you need. Keep in mind the baud rate drop is substantial when at sea. VHF sail mail will keep you in touch with a laptop. stick to text messages and it will allow downloads of weather data. CM I don't usually condone x-posting... but this is a sailing related thread "Edoardo" wrote in message oups.com... You wrote: In article . com, "Edoardo" wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or expensive SAT Time, or BOTH...... This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system. things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because somebody started talking about?) I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the "wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one. The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works. Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but I can't find any good source of information about. thanks anyway.. |
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I'm currently working on, and am whittling away at problems encountered, being able to access wifi from out in the harbor, without having to be tied to an antenna - but there will still have to be some gear up the mast, if I'm successful. However, that's only going to work in range of some AP, most likely some household with an open router, or a commercial pay site. I have had success with a wl-330 as a repeater http://uk.asus.com/products2.aspx?l1=12&l2=41 The wl-330 does not seem to be available here now in the UK ( I think I had the last three!) The wl-330g is availble but it is not clear to me that this model does wds. You probably need to use the ethernet cable anyhow, if you are not repeating (wds) from an Asus device. |
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Get an amateur radio license. Satellite service is free. Equipment is
inexpensive. Glory! "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:iUgrg.99342$I61.73210@clgrps13... Don't listen to the ignorance and nay saying regarding internet service while at sea. Several providers have sail mail. Many marinas offer high speed internet on a global basis. Research what you need. Keep in mind the baud rate drop is substantial when at sea. VHF sail mail will keep you in touch with a laptop. stick to text messages and it will allow downloads of weather data. CM I don't usually condone x-posting... but this is a sailing related thread "Edoardo" wrote in message oups.com... You wrote: In article . com, "Edoardo" wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or expensive SAT Time, or BOTH...... This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system. things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because somebody started talking about?) I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the "wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one. The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works. Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but I can't find any good source of information about. thanks anyway.. |
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Unfortunately you tend to get a lot of Morons who can't spell.
Sailmail is via SSB not VHF. VHF doesn't have any appreciable range, once you're at sea. You can get full Internet access via a satellite phone system, but if you're on a small sailboat, you will be using an awful lot of power to get it. Full internet access at sea requires you to use a stabilized satellite antenna. Not only is the equipment power hungry, but it is also quite expensive, as is the air time. Unlike a terrrestrial broadband connection, most of the satellite-based ones charge by the bandwidth used, not a flat monthly fee. If all you need is decent access when near shore, then it might be worth looking into an EDGE or GSM-based solution. While not as fast as satellite, it is considerably cheaper. However, you would probably have to get a new sim card and account for each country you use it in. Some countries have a flat-rate plan, some do not. Really it depends on the particular country and what providers are there. On 2006-07-06 19:19:42 -0400, "Capt.Mooron" said: Don't listen to the ignorance and nay saying regarding internet service while at sea. Several providers have sail mail. Many marinas offer high speed internet on a global basis. Research what you need. Keep in mind the baud rate drop is substantial when at sea. VHF sail mail will keep you in touch with a laptop. stick to text messages and it will allow downloads of weather data. CM |
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:11:41 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:
What sorta of speed is available? ========= http://www.kvh.com/KVHSatCom/ |
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Anonyma wrote:
If you want to know how much it will cost you as a consumer, start as cheap as you can and go price data capable Satellite phones. They start at about $600 US and go up from there. Satellite service is about $.14 a minute. On top of that your actual bandwidth will be sold to you in upload/download packages ranging from around $60/Month for 250MEG up and 1GIG down (total bytes, not per second), to around 5GIG/7GIG for $1100 a month. Dedicated "dialup speed" 32K/sec both ways will run you somewhere around $400 a month, and dedicated satellite "broadband" around a 1M/sec can be upwards of $11,000 a month. And don't forget that every minute of fraction thereof you're connected it costs you another $.14 or so on top of that. :( ok, it is expensive :) and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make TV is one-way. The signal is spewed everywhere and those who want it, receive it. There's absolutely no need to send the TV station any information at all. All you need is the receiver, not the transmitter. You could do this on a boat also, if the Internet weren't by design a system where information is sent to a specific destination, and then confirmed packet by packet. ;) I wasn't thinking about tv, sometime you can find in big cities those tv vans with terrestrial satellite antennas (that don't need to be stabilized), they have a receiver and a transmitter and they put you online. Of course with cnn budgets you can do everything but the point here is that terrestrial systems like this are being sold around 250euro /month flat fee with connections 256Kbit/512Kbit upstream/downstream There is another option though, and it's something that's been around forever. Packet switching via amateur radio bandwidth. There's literally thousands of amateur repeaters along the US coastline alone that will allow you to grab essentially free Internet as long as you have an account somewhere to get your email and stuff. Of course this takes an even larger initial cash outlay, and a considerable amount of study and expertise. nothing you can use in open sea though... and speed is low, very very low |
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"Edoardo" wrote: You wrote: In article . com, "Edoardo" wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or expensive SAT Time, or BOTH...... This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system. things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because somebody started talking about?) I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the "wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one. The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works. Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but I can't find any good source of information about. thanks anyway.. There are piles of SAT systems for cars, caravans, and TV Vans, but the first two are not passing IP Traffic in the bidirectional mode at any speed of consequence. SAT Tv Vans have all the hardware to pass just about any type of traffic, BUT they don't do it while moving, only at fixed locations, and all that gear is expensive, HEAVY, and Power-hungry. You can't find the information you require, because you are looking at trying to do it on the cheap, and Gyro-Stabilized Ka or Ku Band Antennas are anything but cheap. They also require Directional Heading Inputs from an external Gyro System, or Enertial Nav system, which is another expense, which is why these are usually only fitted on Military, or Large Ships that already have a platform, and required auxillary Input Systems, fitted. DBS TvSAT Receive/Only Systems are in the 3-5Kbuck range when fitted with Gyro-Stabilized Antennas, and getting an Uplink going means that your antenna tracking accuracy has to be increased by at least an order of magnitude. Otherwise you would be interfering with numerous other users, on multiple SAT's because your antenna can't track a point in the sky at less than 300 ArcSeconds. Bruce in alaska an old SAT/Comm's guy from way back...... -- add a 2 before @ |
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http://www.kvh.com/kvhsatcom/
Edoardo wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy |
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Not enough information. If you expect people to spend time helping you, it's
worthwhile explaining exactly what you want, and what for. "Edoardo" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy |
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Edoardo wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy Eddy... You may find the Podcast at the following link helpful: http://www.distantshores.ca/pb/wp_9d..._9d5ec457.html Download Podcast #3 - March 30, 2006 - "Communications and email aboard. Interview with David Anderson of Stand Sure Marine about using an HF marine or HAM radio to connect to the Internet at sea." It is 38 min long and is an interview conducted by Paul and Sheryl Shard discussing everything from e-mail to Internet at sea with an expert. Most of the figures they use are in Canadian Dollars... Hope this gets you started... |
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If you want it at sea, I cant help but if you want it near shore I can.
I just completed a 1400 mile trip from Tampa Florida to Corpus Christi Texas in my Gulfstar 36. I had internet connection for the whole thrip except for about 120 miles along the "Big Bend" of Florida. I had fast connections so that I was able to download charts from the internet every evening (about 5 minutes per chart). And the cost was $10 a month and no cell minutes used. The service is called PCS Vision and its with Sprint. You have to have a regular Cell Phone account with Sprint, a PCS Vision enabled cell phone, and a cable from a third party vendor (you can find them on the internet, and NO they are NOT illegal) Sprint used to sell the cables but got out of the bussiness......maybe to discourage use of the system. The speed is about 56 K Baud....depending on the tower you get....you must have a digital tower, wont work on an analog tower....and you need a laptop to connect the cable from the cell phone to. The software is free, download from the Sprint website. I can only talk about the Sanyo SCP 4900 cell phone as that is the one I have (two years old) . It works great, but it is an oldie and they may not be available anymore. The current phones may work even better but I cannot attest to that. You have to be careful in selecting your plan as there are several and two of them will eat you alive on minutes charges. The cheap one at $5 a month charges for minutes. The next step is $10 a month and does NOT charge for minutes. Technically you could stay on 24/7 at no extra cost. The third one is for commercial users and will cost you more than you have to spend. During our trip I used a Sony Vaio laptop to which I connected my $99 Delorme GPS, a 1gig ram stick ($49 at Wall Mart), and the telephone (free at the time for promotional purposes). I could download the charts in the evening for the next day and then using (also free software) SeaClear software I could watch my progress on the charts using the GPS connection. Its a great system and the monthly cost was only $10 wrote: Edoardo wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy Eddy... You may find the Podcast at the following link helpful: http://www.distantshores.ca/pb/wp_9d..._9d5ec457.html Download Podcast #3 - March 30, 2006 - "Communications and email aboard. Interview with David Anderson of Stand Sure Marine about using an HF marine or HAM radio to connect to the Internet at sea." It is 38 min long and is an interview conducted by Paul and Sheryl Shard discussing everything from e-mail to Internet at sea with an expert. Most of the figures they use are in Canadian Dollars... Hope this gets you started... |
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On 31 Jul 2006 03:41:17 -0700, wrote:
Edoardo wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy THe original post has dropped off my computer, so I'm not sure if the question was originally aimed at US coastal cruisiers or global cruisers. For global cruisers who want something closer to "always on" than SSB/Pactor rigs... Has anyone looked into R-BGAN or BGAN from Inmarsat? . I've seen R-BGAN prices around $500 for the antenna/terminal and $12 per megabyte for satellite usage. Speed is "up to" 144K BITS per second, but there is some new acceleration software. Looks adequate for email but not much good for graphic downloading. It could give Skymate a run for its money. http://broadband.inmarsat.com/about/...extonly=False# My main concern is directional sensitivity of the flat antenna and whether it would work under way in a sailboat....or even in a relatively calm anchorage. |
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Looks like it goes to a geosynchronus satellite. Use d a satphone for
several years over a geosync. Very picky. Useless on a boat. Had to sit on the dock and let the people walking by be bewildered by the nut case sitting on the dock talking on the phone. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Dick Locke" wrote in message ... On 31 Jul 2006 03:41:17 -0700, wrote: Edoardo wrote: Hi, I am searching for some good source of information about installing a satellite internet connection on sailing boats. What's the best solution? Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this? Thanks a lot for your help Eddy THe original post has dropped off my computer, so I'm not sure if the question was originally aimed at US coastal cruisiers or global cruisers. For global cruisers who want something closer to "always on" than SSB/Pactor rigs... Has anyone looked into R-BGAN or BGAN from Inmarsat? . I've seen R-BGAN prices around $500 for the antenna/terminal and $12 per megabyte for satellite usage. Speed is "up to" 144K BITS per second, but there is some new acceleration software. Looks adequate for email but not much good for graphic downloading. It could give Skymate a run for its money. http://broadband.inmarsat.com/about/...extonly=False# My main concern is directional sensitivity of the flat antenna and whether it would work under way in a sailboat....or even in a relatively calm anchorage. |
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Glenn Ashmore wrote:
Looks like it goes to a geosynchronus satellite. Use d a satphone for several years over a geosync. Very picky. Useless on a boat. Had to sit on the dock and let the people walking by be bewildered by the nut case sitting on the dock talking on the phone. What satphone system uses geosync satellites? Both Iridium and Globalstar use LEO satellites. krj |
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This was long ago in ancient times. Like almost 7 or 8 years. :-) Before
Iridium and Globestar everything was geosync. Inmarsat (B, M and Mini-M) were all there was. The unit was about the size of a lap top with a telephone hand set attached. You aim the lid at the satellite. Had a 9600bps dataport too. This device looks like a stylized version of those old sat phones but with ADSL. . -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "krj" wrote in message . .. Glenn Ashmore wrote: Looks like it goes to a geosynchronus satellite. Use d a satphone for several years over a geosync. Very picky. Useless on a boat. Had to sit on the dock and let the people walking by be bewildered by the nut case sitting on the dock talking on the phone. What satphone system uses geosync satellites? Both Iridium and Globalstar use LEO satellites. krj |
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