Hello all, I am new
 

My husband and I own two sailboats, in Baltimore MD.
I am wondering if this is an appropriate group to let people know that
we are selling one of the boats.
If so, she is a 1963 Philip Rhodes Chesapeake 32' named the Fantasy
Dreamer.
We have a webpage to view all the details about her.

http://www.usecashtobuyit.com/fdforsale.html

Our other boat, that we completely restored - it was land sinking about
three years ago - is a 1972 33' Carter. I am hoping to put totgether a
webpage about the whole project in the near future and will gladly post
it then. It was a PROJECT to say the least.

Thanks
Karolina V. Linares
author of Use Cash To Buy It!
www.usecashtobuyit.com

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KVL wrote:
My husband and I own two sailboats, in Baltimore MD.
I am wondering if this is an appropriate group to let people know that
we are selling one of the boats.

It is strictly forbidden by the charter and frowned upon by most
regulars. The penalty is a 1% share of the proceeds to all regular
posters in the group.

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Dave wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 07:32:07 -0700, "KVL" said:


I am wondering if this is an appropriate group to let people know that
we are selling one of the boats.


It isn't, but I see you didn't let that stop your from barging ahead without
a by-your-leave..

I suggest rec.boats.marketplace


Also check www.sailingtexas.com
Free adds.
They cover a LOT more than just Texas.

Richard

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Well, at least her boats are not imaginary.

--

Roger Long



"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jun 2006 07:32:07 -0700, "KVL" said:

I am wondering if this is an appropriate group to let people know
that
we are selling one of the boats.

It isn't, but I see you didn't let that stop your from barging ahead
without
a by-your-leave..

I suggest rec.boats.marketplace

Hello all, I am new
 

Hey all,
I am so sorry that crossed bounderies. I figured there nothing wrong
with letting other boaters/cruisers know of a boat for sale. Oh well...
in the large scheme of things there are bigger things to be concerned
with in life, huh? I suppose it should be a moderated group. I'll look
into the other group suggested.

Who has imaginary boats?
That sounds like an interesting topic.

Karolina V. Linares


Jeff wrote:
KVL wrote:
My husband and I own two sailboats, in Baltimore MD.
I am wondering if this is an appropriate group to let people know that
we are selling one of the boats.

It is strictly forbidden by the charter and frowned upon by most
regulars. The penalty is a 1% share of the proceeds to all regular
posters in the group.

Hello all, I am new
 

Wow! Some of these google groups have some angry folks- I've noticed.
Hey, don't knock it- I am an auhtor with a book to promote- so
basically I let everyone know. But other than that I'm also a sailor,
with lots of sailing experiences on the Chesapeake Bay and my husband
and I happened to have one boat for sale -OH well.

No need for people to get disturbed.

If I'm not welcome in this group, I'll happily go away.

Karolina


Dave wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 12:04:55 -0700, "KVL" said:

I am so sorry that crossed bounderies. I figured there nothing wrong
with letting other boaters/cruisers know of a boat for sale. Oh well...
in the large scheme of things there are bigger things to be concerned
with in life, huh? I suppose it should be a moderated group. I'll look
into the other group suggested.

Nonsense. If you had wanted to ask before posting your ad, you would have
asked before posting your ad. Don't give us that dumb and happy crap. You're
in the business of selling your book on the Internet. You knew damned well
this wasn't the place for an ad.

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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:40:28 GMT, "Roger Long" said:


Well, at least her boats are not imaginary.


I suspect she knew damned well this wasn't the place for it, but figured she
might get the exposure without the criticism if she played the wide-eyed
dummy. People like that deserve no mercy.


Aren't you a lawyer? Thought everyone was innocent until proven guilty!

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Dave wrote in news:0q5u8257vse8cic1qjhpsp08d73eptuh40@
4ax.com:

Aren't you a lawyer? Thought everyone was innocent until proven guilty!

If she were charged with a crime, yes. But the rule doesn't apply to bad
manners.


I thought that rule only applied to paying clients whos check didn't
bounce...(c;

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"KVL" said:
I am so sorry that crossed bounderies. I figured there nothing wrong
with letting other boaters/cruisers know of a boat for sale.

There isn't, in the appropriate place.

What you did is like putting "FOR SALE" ads in other
people's yards just because they live along a busier street.
I mean, what's the harm in that?

Oh well...
in the large scheme of things there are bigger things to be concerned
with in life, huh? I suppose it should be a moderated group.

If one presupposes that people cannot follow principles on
their own, then yes.


Dave wrote:
Nonsense. If you had wanted to ask before posting your ad, you would have
asked before posting your ad. Don't give us that dumb and happy crap. You're
in the business of selling your book on the Internet. You knew damned well
this wasn't the place for an ad.

I wonder if the boat she's selling is that one caught fire
from faulty wiring and they just painted over it to hide the
scorch marks? That was a shame.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On 13 Jun 2006 14:56:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

If I'm not welcome in this group, I'll happily go away.

If you post appropriately we'll be glad to have you. If you want to post
ads, please do go away.

Don't mind Dave, sounds like he's having a bad hair day. That said,
this is supposed to be a non-commercial forum.

Hello all, I am new
 

What Wayne said. An answer which shows some class.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jun 2006 14:56:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

If I'm not welcome in this group, I'll happily go away.

If you post appropriately we'll be glad to have you. If you want to post
ads, please do go away.

Don't mind Dave, sounds like he's having a bad hair day. That said,
this is supposed to be a non-commercial forum.

Wayne, unless she's in the business of selling boats, her post is
non-commercial.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article . com,
"KVL" wrote:

My husband and I own two sailboats, in Baltimore MD. I am wondering
if this is an appropriate group to let people know that we are
selling one of the boats.

Oops! You ran afoul of the self-proclaimed NetNazis in your request for
clarification.

Please ignore the boors. By in large, they don't seem to know what
cruising is, and they have no sense of humor.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jun 2006 14:56:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

If I'm not welcome in this group, I'll happily go away.
If you post appropriately we'll be glad to have you. If you want to post
ads, please do go away.
Don't mind Dave, sounds like he's having a bad hair day. That said,
this is supposed to be a non-commercial forum.

Wayne, unless she's in the business of selling boats, her post is
non-commercial.

The charter of this group, easily found by doing a google on "charter
rec.boats.cruising" clearly states:

"The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be
open to for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be
directed to rec.boats.marketplace"

Hello all, I am new
 

Jere Lull wrote:
Oops! You ran afoul of the self-proclaimed NetNazis in your request for
clarification.

Please ignore the boors. By in large, they don't seem to know what
cruising is, and they have no sense of humor.


The issue is not one of humor, or of NetNazism, but the very
simple idea that this is a forum for discussion of cruising.

Problem- if everybody with a boat for sale decided that this
was a great free advertising venue, then discussion of
cruising would be drowned out 10,000:1

*Buying* a boat is part of going cruising. Selling a boat is
not. Doesn't that make sense?

DSK

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If they were, maybe TW would be in the market?
MMC
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Well, at least her boats are not imaginary.

--

Roger Long



"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jun 2006 07:32:07 -0700, "KVL" said:

I am wondering if this is an appropriate group to let people know
that
we are selling one of the boats.

It isn't, but I see you didn't let that stop your from barging ahead
without
a by-your-leave..

I suggest rec.boats.marketplace

Hello all, I am new
 

*Buying* a boat is part of going cruising. Selling a boat is
not. Doesn't that make sense?

DSK

No, it doesn't. Dying is every bit a part of living.

Unmoderated newsgroups are graffiti. Don't like it, don't come here,
to a sweet spot where a few can help or not.

Buy service in a controlled area, hire some one else to screen your
calls for you. Go away, netkop. Please do not litter.

Terry K

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"Gay FArts" wrote in message
...
Shut up ****wad. She is not just selling boats, and all
"for sale" ads are
against standard and longstanding usenet rules that are
accepted by everybody.
There are newsgroups for adverts that have either
"ForSale" "marketplace" or
"FS" as part of their names. This is not one of them. Come
to thinkl of it, this
group's name does not contain "Gay" or "Asswipe", so you
don't belong here
either!


Bad time of the month?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Gay FArts" wrote in message
...
Shut up ****wad. She is not just selling boats, and all
"for sale" ads are
against standard and longstanding usenet rules that are
accepted by everybody.
There are newsgroups for adverts that have either
"ForSale" "marketplace" or
"FS" as part of their names. This is not one of them. Come
to thinkl of it, this
group's name does not contain "Gay" or "Asswipe", so you
don't belong here
either!


Bad time of the month?

If you ignore him or plonk him, he'll go away. He's mentally disturbed.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jun 2006 14:56:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

If I'm not welcome in this group, I'll happily go away.
If you post appropriately we'll be glad to have you. If you want to
post
ads, please do go away.
Don't mind Dave, sounds like he's having a bad hair day. That said,
this is supposed to be a non-commercial forum.

Wayne, unless she's in the business of selling boats, her post is
non-commercial.

The charter of this group, easily found by doing a google on "charter
rec.boats.cruising" clearly states:

"The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be open to
for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be directed to
rec.boats.marketplace"

Jeff, I agree, but that's not what Wayne said.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Terry K wrote:
Buy service in a controlled area, hire some one else to screen your
calls for you. Go away, netkop. Please do not litter.


Understanding the charter is being a netkop? My my.

Tell you what, why don't you go and discuss sailing &
cruising among the ads at yachtworld.com? That's be a lot
nicer than encouraging for-sale ads here, and more
consistent with your philosophy.

DSK

Hello all, I am new
 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:56:20 GMT, Guy Aerts wrote:

You will notice a gap in my posting starting tomorrow afternoon for about 10
days,

Please stay away long enough to clean up your act.

Hello all, I am new
 

KVL wrote:
I am very amazed at what this whole topic of selling one boat
generated.
It seems to me that there are some extremely immature posters and a few
who realize that after one post that I made, there maybe something more
that I may be able to offer to this group, as a sailor myself and also
I'd like to learn from other sailors.

I've been learning the ways of sailing for only ten years now, My
husband has been into sailing since he was a boy. I was more into motor
boating for a short time way before I met him but, since then it's a
sailing lifestyle.

Together we have rebuilt 3 sail boats - a 1963 Philip Rhodes 32' (the
one for sale)
- a 1970 Bristol 26 and a 1972 Carter 33'
As well as sail the Chesapeake Bay, we like to do restoration boat
projects together- but not for a living. The Philips Rhodes was our
primary boat for about eight years and now the Carter is our primary
boat. The Carter is a very light boat, fin keel, wide beam and she
sails extremely well. We completely customized the entire interior to
our liking. As I said before - I will be putting together a webpage
about the restoration process in the near future for anyone who is
interested.

All of us here are interested in exactly this sort of thing. Please post
all updates and work stories, questions and comments with respect to
your project. There are very knowledgable people here who can answer
many restoration questions, along with plenty of other cruising questions.

We'll probably keep her for atleast 5-6 years and then move
onto a newer project boat. Mainly because we like it as a hobby. A
fairly expensive hobby, I might add. And some wives complain that their
husbands go golfing too much.

We've have sailed (on chartered boats -by ourselves) in the Keys, the
BVI's and in Belize.
And we went on on motorboat trip the Abacos in the Bahamas with a group
of relatives and friends in Florida.

Well I hope no-one gets MAD, TENSE and STRESSED anymore.
No need for that - basically you are just destroying your own coronary
and digestive systems.

There is really no place for someone to easily find out the "charter" of
this newsgroup and rules thereof. It always surprises me the venom that
seems to come from some who are trying to enforce the "rules" even
though we all know there is really no way for anyone to know the rules
without asking. Maybe venom is better than anarchy in this case, I don't
know.


--
Stephen

-------

For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

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You post here to sell one boat. It's against the n/g charter - and BTW,
it's a Usenet n/g, not a google group. There's a big difference.

Point is, there's a proper place to post FS ads and a little research
by you would have found it. Posting your question without the boat
details probably would have gotten you a polite response that it wasn't
appropriate here, with advice as to where it *was* appropriate, and,
likely, a number of emails asking off group for more information.

The defence of 'it's just one boat' is like the litterer's defence -
it's just one can out the window, or one butt I dropped etc. Sorry but
it doesn't cut it. You're not the first to do this and unfortunately
you won't be the last, so next time the reaction will be the same. Most
people aren't angry or stressed, they're just mildly annoyed and
exasperated that newbies like you can't be bothered doing a quick
search or follow the group for a while, to see how things go.

As for moderated - this is Usenet, there are no moderators or
contrariwise, everyone is their own moderator. That's what killfiles
are for.

I'd suggest you look on this as a learning experience, drop your
defense and post information on sailing, boat repairs, tips & tricks
etc. Become part of the group rather than a drop-in trying to sell
something.

PDW

KVL wrote:
I am very amazed at what this whole topic of selling one boat
generated.
It seems to me that there are some extremely immature posters and a few
who realize that after one post that I made, there maybe something more
that I may be able to offer to this group, as a sailor myself and also
I'd like to learn from other sailors.

I've been learning the ways of sailing for only ten years now, My
husband has been into sailing since he was a boy. I was more into motor
boating for a short time way before I met him but, since then it's a
sailing lifestyle.

Together we have rebuilt 3 sail boats - a 1963 Philip Rhodes 32' (the
one for sale)
- a 1970 Bristol 26 and a 1972 Carter 33'
As well as sail the Chesapeake Bay, we like to do restoration boat
projects together- but not for a living. The Philips Rhodes was our
primary boat for about eight years and now the Carter is our primary
boat. The Carter is a very light boat, fin keel, wide beam and she
sails extremely well. We completely customized the entire interior to
our liking. As I said before - I will be putting together a webpage
about the restoration process in the near future for anyone who is
interested. We'll probably keep her for atleast 5-6 years and then move
onto a newer project boat. Mainly because we like it as a hobby. A
fairly expensive hobby, I might add. And some wives complain that their
husbands go golfing too much.

We've have sailed (on chartered boats -by ourselves) in the Keys, the
BVI's and in Belize.
And we went on on motorboat trip the Abacos in the Bahamas with a group
of relatives and friends in Florida.

Well I hope no-one gets MAD, TENSE and STRESSED anymore.
No need for that - basically you are just destroying your own coronary
and digestive systems.

Karolina V. Linares

Hello all, I am new
 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:15:01 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

There is really no place for someone to easily find out the "charter" of
this newsgroup and rules thereof.

Actually it is not difficult at all, took me about a minute on Google:

CHARTER - rec.boats.cruising


The unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will be open to
discussions on all topics related to cruising in boats such as:
- cruising equipment
- cruising reports
- destinations: Including where to moor/anchor, restaurants to
visit, sights to see and where/how to provision
- discussion of long-distance passagemaking and related issues
- discussion on navigation
- requests for crews and for boats to crew on
- upcoming events, cruises, etc
- etc.


The unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be open
to for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be directed
to rec.boats.marketplace.


(-- end of charter --)

Hello all, I am new
 

Stephen Trapani wrote:
....


There is really no place for someone to easily find out the "charter" of
this newsgroup and rules thereof.

Yes, it must be very difficult for some people to Google "charter
rec.boats.cruising"

It always surprises me the venom that
seems to come from some who are trying to enforce the "rules" even
though we all know there is really no way for anyone to know the rules
without asking.

Everyone knows the rules. KVL essentially admitted she knew it was
probably against the rules but would rather break the rules than ask
permission. I don't see how anyone could even consider buying a boat,
or even a book, from someone like that.

Maybe venom is better than anarchy in this case, I don't
know.

Why is it venom? Are you saying you would welcome everyone to post
their used goods for sale here? Do you realize how many boats are for
sale?

Hello all, I am new
 

Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:15:01 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:


There is really no place for someone to easily find out the "charter" of
this newsgroup and rules thereof.


Actually it is not difficult at all, took me about a minute on Google:

CHARTER - rec.boats.cruising


The unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will be open to
discussions on all topics related to cruising in boats such as:
- cruising equipment
- cruising reports
- destinations: Including where to moor/anchor, restaurants to
visit, sights to see and where/how to provision
- discussion of long-distance passagemaking and related issues
- discussion on navigation
- requests for crews and for boats to crew on
- upcoming events, cruises, etc
- etc.


The unmoderated newsgroup rec.boats.cruising will not be open
to for-sale postings. Appropriate advertisements should be directed
to rec.boats.marketplace.


(-- end of charter --)

Most newbies, not overly familiar with usenet, aren't going to know to
look for usenet rules with their web browser.

The only way it's going to be easy is if someone posts a message to the
group once a week or so with a URL or with the rules themselves.



--
Stephen

-------

For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

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Jeff wrote:

Stephen Trapani wrote:
...


There is really no place for someone to easily find out the "charter"
of this newsgroup and rules thereof.


Yes, it must be very difficult for some people to Google "charter
rec.boats.cruising"

It always surprises me the venom that seems to come from some who are
trying to enforce the "rules" even though we all know there is really
no way for anyone to know the rules without asking.


Everyone knows the rules. KVL essentially admitted she knew it was
probably against the rules but would rather break the rules than ask
permission. I don't see how anyone could even consider buying a boat,
or even a book, from someone like that.

Maybe venom is better than anarchy in this case, I don't know.


Why is it venom? Are you saying you would welcome everyone to post
their used goods for sale here? Do you realize how many boats are for
sale?

I'm saying it can be said nicely instead of rudely.

--
Stephen

-------

For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

Hello all, I am new
 

done and done.
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Gay FArts" wrote in message
...
Shut up ****wad. She is not just selling boats, and all
"for sale" ads are
against standard and longstanding usenet rules that are
accepted by everybody.
There are newsgroups for adverts that have either
"ForSale" "marketplace" or
"FS" as part of their names. This is not one of them. Come
to thinkl of it, this
group's name does not contain "Gay" or "Asswipe", so you
don't belong here
either!


Bad time of the month?

If you ignore him or plonk him, he'll go away. He's mentally disturbed.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com