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Dear Mrs. Manners,

What do you do when your marina neighbors are endangering other users,
your guests, and the metal parts of your boat?

The nimrod on the face of our pier, absent for the past few days, has
compulsively screwed his shore power cord down to the dock with cable
clamps on about 9" spacing. That’s good, I guess. While admiring this
arrangement, I noticed that he had also put a screw in the cover of
the power stand so it couldn’t be opened. That made me wonder, when I
looked at the power cord coiled neatly in the driving rain with the
live end about six inches from the edge of the dock, whether he
unscrews it every time to throw the breaker.

Inquiring minds can’t leave well enough alone so I got a screwdriver
and removed the screw. All breakers were on. The paper labels that
tell you which breaker goes to which outlet are long gone at our
marina and I didn’t want to risk turning off someone’s boat so I just
disconnected the cord and hung it over the hook.

I can just see it. One of the (generally under the influence) sunset
watchers comes down and kicks the cord in. They reach in to retrieve
it and follow it in with the shock. Someone else rushes to their aid
and also goes in. Someone with more presence of mind goes to trip the
breaker and, where is a screwdriver when you really need it?

My ironclad rule is that the boat end of the cord is never live, even
for a moment, unless it is fixed in the socket and the breaker is
always off when the shore end is inserted or removed.

--

Roger Long

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"Roger Long" wrote in news:C7yig.34252$8G3.21244
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

My ironclad rule is that the boat end of the cord is never live, even
for a moment, unless it is fixed in the socket and the breaker is
always off when the shore end is inserted or removed.


Very correct. Never leave a live dead end on the dock. That's just
stupid.

Now, if we're interested in teaching this idiot a lesson, we go down to the
dock on TUESDAY, when noone is around and "accidentally" the open end falls
in the drink, buzzing and arcing away in the salt water for a few minutes
before we trip the breaker by hand if it doesn't by itself, leaving the
breaker tripped and the live end rotting away in the salt water.

I bet it would never happen again....(c;

How some of the really STUPID ones survive an offshore passage never ceases
to amaze me.....

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Roger Long wrote:
Dear Mrs. Manners,

What do you do when your marina neighbors are endangering other users,
your guests, and the metal parts of your boat?

The nimrod on the face of our pier,

A nimrod is a famous or very able hunter.

Here, I see nothing wrong with you disconnecting the power cord and
putting it on his deck. I doubt that if the live end fell into the
ocean, it'd stay live long as the breaker would then trip making your
scenario of many dead unlikely. I will, however, concede that is is
possible. How about instead we have this killing a scuba guy cleaning a
bottom?

If we want to get unlikely, then we can also say the live end falls into
the water and so charges the marina that all the zincs fail and boats
sink all around from the induced electrolysis.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Dear Mrs. Manners,

What do you do when your marina neighbors are endangering other users,
your guests, and the metal parts of your boat?

snip

Roger,
What about notifying the marina management? I'm surprised they just let
people screw stuff to the dock and drill holes in their equipment.
--Alan Gomes

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Larry wrote:
"Roger Long" wrote in news:C7yig.34252$8G3.21244
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:

I can just see it. One of the (generally under the influence) sunset
watchers comes down and kicks the cord in. They reach in to retrieve
it and follow it in with the shock. Someone else rushes to their aid
and also goes in. Someone with more presence of mind goes to trip the
breaker and, where is a screwdriver when you really need it?

My ironclad rule is that the boat end of the cord is never live, even
for a moment, unless it is fixed in the socket and the breaker is
always off when the shore end is inserted or removed.

I doubt very much if the live end falling in the water is really a
hazard to the sunset watcher. Why would they not just pull up the
cord from the end on the dock (where it will still be because it is
screwed down to the dock - right)? Why go into the water after it?

And if they do - well it's something to report to the Darwin people.

In any case, unscrewing the breaker box and unplugging the cord was
sufficient.

grandma Rosalie
"Use your own judgment and then do as I say"

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Rosalie B. wrote:

I doubt very much if the live end falling in the water is really a
hazard to the sunset watcher.

As a parent, although daughter just graduated from HS, of a small kid
say 0-18 years old I get really protective when it comes to my kid
getting killed because of (1) some Libertarian Don't Tread On Me sob
and (2) some knuckle head who doesn't know ****.

Why would they not just pull up the
cord from the end on the dock (where it will still be because it is
screwed down to the dock - right)?

Yea right, and my 12 year old scrambling around the dock has the
insight to put that scenario together?

Why go into the water after it?

Swimmers, working divers, reach down to wash hands off. Have you ever
worked with kids or the general public? Ever wonder why people get
washed off rocks, rolled over and crushed by logs on the beach in the
PNW, or marry the Bitch or Jerk from hell: Judgment. Hazard recognition
aint in their brain. Please don't tell me that you are so wise you
never made a mistake? Ever stub your toe or get a sunburn? Gee, I guess
you should have known better.

And if they do - well it's something to report to the Darwin people.

When it comes to the safety of your grand children I think you would be
saying something else.

In any case, unscrewing the breaker box and unplugging the cord was
sufficient.

I would say required of any normal person........ plus leave a message.

There are some things that are just plain wrong.

grandma Rosalie
"Use your own judgment and then do as I say"

Try this next time you see the cord person: "Hey stupid ****. If that
goes in the water and my kid gets zapped I am going to own your boat,
house, and your balls!"

Dad tired of idiots trying to kill my kid Bob

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I agree with Rosalie that the odds of anything actually happening are
very low but, even at the low level of risk, I agree with Bob's
sentiments as well. We do all sorts of things in boating and other
activities to avoid hazard where the risk is very low. I believe
Rosalie was involved in industrial risk management so I'm a bit
surprised at her sanguine attitude. (There are 10 -20 feet of loose
cord beyond the section that is screwed down.)

All the docks and equipment in this marina were recycled from another
marina that was upgrading it's equipment so I wouldn't put much faith
in the breakers.

BTW there is an upside to this fellow. I wanted to wash of my dinghy
and he also left his hose connected to the outlet that serves six
slips. Nice not to have to get mine out. Not only that, but he left
to valve on so the hose was pressurize and I didn't even have to turn
it on. Did you know that when you leave water pressure on some garden
hose for 3 - 4 days it gets about two inch in diameter? Of course, if
it had burst, he would have deprived the whole row on that dock of
water until someone figured it out.

--

Roger Long

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"Roger Long" wrote:

I agree with Rosalie that the odds of anything actually happening are
very low but, even at the low level of risk, I agree with Bob's
sentiments as well. We do all sorts of things in boating and other
activities to avoid hazard where the risk is very low. I believe
Rosalie was involved in industrial risk management so I'm a bit
surprised at her sanguine attitude. (There are 10 -20 feet of loose
cord beyond the section that is screwed down.)

You said that it was screwed down every so many feet and didn't
specify how long the end was, or how high the dock is above the water
(or if it is a floating dock). If there is 10 feet of loose cord,
then there is even a greater chance of just pulling the cord out
without getting wet. What is difficult about bending down and picking
up the cord off the dock and pulling the end out of the water? (which
this time of year is too cold to go into anyway)

I have seen a power cord with the end in the water, but it was the
marina end and not the boat end of the cord. (It was in the Bahamas
and the dockmaster didn't seem concerned.) That cord it would have
been difficult to retrieve without going on board the boat.

I thought of saying that it would be a greater risk to a dog sticking
its wet nose into the live end - I didn't think of children, since I
would feel children on a dock should either be old enough to be told
by the parents not to mess with it or be under the immediate control
of the parent. Because if a child falls in, then just the water is
enough of a hazard without adding the unlikely problem of electricity.
I definitely would not allow toddlers out of arms reach.

I don't know why anyone should try to get an electric cord out of the
water if it wasn't their cord. Swimming off the docks is forbidden
in our marina, so they would not be doing that or at least not
legally. The water is a fairly long distance down (depending on the
tide) We have fixed docks and I could not wash my hands from the dock
without lying down on my stomach.

I agree that working divers might have a problem, but I think a
greater hazard realistically was the one mentioned about the
electrical currents eating up the zincs.


All the docks and equipment in this marina were recycled from another
marina that was upgrading it's equipment so I wouldn't put much faith
in the breakers.

BTW there is an upside to this fellow. I wanted to wash of my dinghy
and he also left his hose connected to the outlet that serves six
slips. Nice not to have to get mine out. Not only that, but he left
to valve on so the hose was pressurize and I didn't even have to turn
it on. Did you know that when you leave water pressure on some garden
hose for 3 - 4 days it gets about two inch in diameter? Of course, if
it had burst, he would have deprived the whole row on that dock of
water until someone figured it out.

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"Bob" wrote:

This whole post is a cheap shot. People marrying the Jerk from Hell
is not at issue here, and neither is getting washed off rocks. I
would definitely expect a 12 yo to be at least as able to figure out
that he could pull up the cord without diving into the water as a
drunk adult. And 0-18 years? Get real. At 0 years they aren't going
to be running around the docks and they should be capable of thought
well before 18 years.

What Roger did was sufficient. He detached the cord from the 110 v
end.

Rosalie B. wrote:

I doubt very much if the live end falling in the water is really a
hazard to the sunset watcher.

As a parent, although daughter just graduated from HS, of a small kid
say 0-18 years old I get really protective when it comes to my kid
getting killed because of (1) some Libertarian Don't Tread On Me sob
and (2) some knuckle head who doesn't know ****.

Why would they not just pull up the
cord from the end on the dock (where it will still be because it is
screwed down to the dock - right)?

Yea right, and my 12 year old scrambling around the dock has the
insight to put that scenario together?

Why go into the water after it?

Swimmers, working divers, reach down to wash hands off. Have you ever
worked with kids or the general public? Ever wonder why people get
washed off rocks, rolled over and crushed by logs on the beach in the
PNW, or marry the Bitch or Jerk from hell: Judgment. Hazard recognition
aint in their brain. Please don't tell me that you are so wise you
never made a mistake? Ever stub your toe or get a sunburn? Gee, I guess
you should have known better.

And if they do - well it's something to report to the Darwin people.

When it comes to the safety of your grand children I think you would be
saying something else.

In any case, unscrewing the breaker box and unplugging the cord was
sufficient.

I would say required of any normal person........ plus leave a message.

There are some things that are just plain wrong.

grandma Rosalie
"Use your own judgment and then do as I say"

Try this next time you see the cord person: "Hey stupid ****. If that
goes in the water and my kid gets zapped I am going to own your boat,
house, and your balls!"

Dad tired of idiots trying to kill my kid Bob

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My ironclad rule is that the boat end of the cord is never live, even
for a moment, unless it is fixed in the socket and the breaker is
always off when the shore end is inserted or removed.


An electrician... or somebody who is at least smart enough
to be trusted with machinery more complicated than a
shovel... will always make connections from load to source.


Larry wrote:
Very correct. Never leave a live dead end on the dock. That's just
stupid.

Now, if we're interested in teaching this idiot a lesson, we go down to the
dock on TUESDAY, when noone is around and "accidentally" the open end falls
in the drink, buzzing and arcing away in the salt water for a few minutes
before we trip the breaker by hand if it doesn't by itself, leaving the
breaker tripped and the live end rotting away in the salt water.



Chris wrote:
And what would you recommend to do to some dork whom you catch
vandalizing your equipment because it doesn't live up to his standards
of 'safety' or 'seamanship'?
Just curious.



That depends... which of my guns do I have on me? ;)


I think what Larry was suggesting comes under the heading of
"allowing nature to take it's course" since the situation
Roger described is almost a guarantee that the cord end will
fall into the water at some point.

This may sound funny coming from me, but I'd suggest having
a friendly talk with the guy. He may think he's doing a
great job. No need for a confrontation.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote:
snip..

I think what Larry was suggesting comes under the heading of "allowing
nature to take it's course" since the situation Roger described is
almost a guarantee that the cord end will fall into the water at some
point.

This may sound funny coming from me, but I'd suggest having a friendly
talk with the guy. He may think he's doing a great job. No need for a
confrontation.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



Good idea. There's a chance he may be a half decent guy who just
doesn't know any better.
If he gets uppity, or nasty when you approach in a 'low key, helpful
manner'...then you know what you're dealing with.

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Rosalie B. wrote:

This whole post is a cheap shot. "Bob"

is not at issue here, and neither is...
I would definitely expect a 12 yo to be at least as able to figure out...

And 0-18 years? Get real. At 0 years they aren't going
to be running around the docks and they should be capable of thought
well before 18 years.

Sounds as though you lack a basic understanding of child development.
Go to

http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/...t/piaget.shtml

for a basic tutorial and read a bit. Interesting thing about Piaget.
The idea is decades old yet, today new brain scan technology supports
all of Piaget's work. And do not forget that most of our brains are
not completely wired until about age 20.

When was the last time you went to a public swimming pool?
To follow your line of though there is no need for lifeguards at pools
because kids should know better to walk not run and will always behave
in a safe manner.

And as I said befo So when was the last time you made a mistake? I
guess you better get rid of those smoke detectors because you'll
never leave anything on the stove and boil a pot dry.

Did you raise any kids or do you get your child raising ideas Rush
Limbaugh?

Bob

Bob

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On 2006-06-12 08:47:17 -0400, Rosalie B. said:

I have seen a power cord with the end in the water, but it was the
marina end and not the boat end of the cord. (It was in the Bahamas
and the dockmaster didn't seem concerned.) That cord it would have
been difficult to retrieve without going on board the boat.

Yes, but the marina end falling in doesn't present much of a hazard.
The cord isn't live then. DUH. I'd really like to see you grab a live
wet A/C cord that is coated with salt water and live. Apparently, you
don't have the brains god gave an ant.

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"Bob" wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

This whole post is a cheap shot. "Bob"

is not at issue here, and neither is...
I would definitely expect a 12 yo to be at least as able to figure out...

And 0-18 years? Get real. At 0 years they aren't going
to be running around the docks and they should be capable of thought
well before 18 years.

I have a good understanding of child development and reductio ad
absurdum arguments do not cut it with me. Whether I use smoke
detectors or not is irrelevant. (Yes I do use them but I do not cook)
Not having a life guard at a pool is never something I have ever
recommended, and it has nothing to do with the need for a parent to
take care of children when they are toddlers on a dock.

I have 4 children and 11 grandchildren, I was a school teacher in
middle school for 7 years, I coached an age group swim team for 7
years and I have studied Piaget. Having formal operational reasoning
is not a pre-requisite for knowing that you can pull a cord up out of
the water without going into the water.

Yes the hazard isn't too great for public safety if the marina end of
the cord is in the water, but I don't think it is good for the
equipment (which in the instance I cited belonged to the marina and
not to the boater).

I think the main hazard that Roger cited would be to people who had a
legitimate reason to be in the water (like divers working on a prop)
and who did not know that the cord was in the water or if the cord
fell in while they were working.

We were taught to assess probability (how likely something was to
happen) and hazard (how severe the problem would be if it happened).
In this case the severity if the breakers did not trip would be very
great, but the probability would be low. You can think of almost any
scenario where there is a possibility of something happening. That
doesn't mean that it is probable. Unplugging the marina end of the
cord removes the hazard so that the probablity is almost moot.

Sounds as though you lack a basic understanding of child development.
Go to

http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/...t/piaget.shtml

for a basic tutorial and read a bit. Interesting thing about Piaget.
The idea is decades old yet, today new brain scan technology supports
all of Piaget's work. And do not forget that most of our brains are
not completely wired until about age 20.

When was the last time you went to a public swimming pool?
To follow your line of though there is no need for lifeguards at pools
because kids should know better to walk not run and will always behave
in a safe manner.

And as I said befo So when was the last time you made a mistake? I
guess you better get rid of those smoke detectors because you'll
never leave anything on the stove and boil a pot dry.

Did you raise any kids or do you get your child raising ideas Rush
Limbaugh?

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"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Bob" wrote:

I think the main hazard that Roger cited would be to people who had a
legitimate reason to be in the water (like divers working on a prop)
and who did not know that the cord was in the water or if the cord
fell in while they were working.

We were taught to assess probability (how likely something was to
happen) and hazard (how severe the problem would be if it happened).
In this case the severity if the breakers did not trip would be very
great, but the probability would be low. You can think of almost any
scenario where there is a possibility of something happening. That
doesn't mean that it is probable. Unplugging the marina end of the
cord removes the hazard so that the probablity is almost moot.

What does the marina management say on this about permanently fastening the
power cord to the dock. That is a liability that if someone did get hurt,
tripping over it or badly shocked, their lawyers would make sure they got to
own the marina. I do know that our marina, they would nicely asked to remove
it or it would be removed by marina personnel and probably disappear in the
dumpster.

Leanne

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We were taught to assess probability (how likely something was to
happen) and hazard (how severe the problem would be if it happened).

Well, arguing probability doesn't make a shred of sense when you're talking
about a simple situation like this one. Effectively hard-wiring a live
electrical cord on a pier is both stupid and a violation of the electrical
code, not to mention common sense. Choosing this as a foundation for
arguing logic doesn't make much sense.

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"Bill Kearney" wrote:

We were taught to assess probability (how likely something was to
happen) and hazard (how severe the problem would be if it happened).

Well, arguing probability doesn't make a shred of sense when you're talking
about a simple situation like this one. Effectively hard-wiring a live
electrical cord on a pier is both stupid and a violation of the electrical
code, not to mention common sense. Choosing this as a foundation for
arguing logic doesn't make much sense.

The probability in question was for if the live end of the cord fell
into the water. Roger's scenario had someone jumping into the water
after it, and then someone going in to rescue them. I can totally
agree that people who have no skills will often try to rescue someone
and die in the futile attempt. Happens a lot, especially in confined
space accidents.

I was questioning whether, since the cord is tied down to the pier,
the cord would not be most likely pulled out of the water from the
pier without jumping in.

Yes the screwing shut the box with the cord attached is stupid and a
violation of code, but Roger fixed that by unscrewing the box and
unplugging the cord.

I don't think anything more than that is needed until such time as
someone talks to the marina and/or the boater.

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Roger Long wrote:
Dear Mrs. Manners,

What do you do when your marina neighbors are endangering other users,
your guests, and the metal parts of your boat?

The nimrod on the face of our pier, absent for the past few days, has
compulsively screwed his shore power cord down to the dock with cable
clamps on about 9" spacing. That's good, I guess. While admiring this
arrangement, I noticed that he had also put a screw in the cover of
the power stand so it couldn't be opened. That made me wonder, when I
looked at the power cord coiled neatly in the driving rain with the
live end about six inches from the edge of the dock, whether he
unscrews it every time to throw the breaker.

Inquiring minds can't leave well enough alone so I got a screwdriver
and removed the screw. All breakers were on. The paper labels that
tell you which breaker goes to which outlet are long gone at our
marina and I didn't want to risk turning off someone's boat so I just
disconnected the cord and hung it over the hook.

I can just see it. One of the (generally under the influence) sunset
watchers comes down and kicks the cord in. They reach in to retrieve
it and follow it in with the shock.

The question I have WRT this is simple - don't you people use RCD's
(residual current devices) instead of straight breakers? If you did,
this scenario would be plain impossible. Any current over milliamps
leaking from active to earth would trip out the breaker.

All circuits in this sort of scenario should be done in this way.
Relying on people to do the right thing WRT power is a waste of time.

PDW

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The probability in question was for if the live end of the cord fell
into the water. Roger's scenario had someone jumping into the water
after it, and then someone going in to rescue them. I can totally
agree that people who have no skills will often try to rescue someone
and die in the futile attempt. Happens a lot, especially in confined
space accidents.

It doesn't take much for someone to accidentally fall into the water. Be
they drunk, incompetent, tired, disoriented from a day on the waves or just
plain unlucky. There shouldn't be the added risk of FATALITY due to someone
leaving a LIVE cord lying about.

While I'm always a fan of the saying "Being stupid should hurt" it's not
supposed to be fatal. But I'll stop one step short of using the tired "what
about risks to CHILDREN!" shrill cry...

I don't think anything more than that is needed until such time as
someone talks to the marina and/or the boater.

This is true.

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Relying on people to do the right thing WRT power is a waste of time.

Like relying on the marina to have it properly set up?

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"Bill Kearney" wrote:

Relying on people to do the right thing WRT power is a waste of time.

Like relying on the marina to have it properly set up?

Well Roger did say they got their equipment at salvage.

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"Bill Kearney" wrote:

The probability in question was for if the live end of the cord fell
into the water. Roger's scenario had someone jumping into the water
after it, and then someone going in to rescue them. I can totally
agree that people who have no skills will often try to rescue someone
and die in the futile attempt. Happens a lot, especially in confined
space accidents.

It doesn't take much for someone to accidentally fall into the water. Be
they drunk, incompetent, tired, disoriented from a day on the waves or just
plain unlucky. There shouldn't be the added risk of FATALITY due to someone
leaving a LIVE cord lying about.

I think if someone falls into the water accidentally (and I have done
that BTW and I was neither drunk, or disoriented although we will
leave incompetent TBDL*) the greatest risk is of drowning. Which is a
fatality.

While I'm always a fan of the saying "Being stupid should hurt" it's not
supposed to be fatal. But I'll stop one step short of using the tired "what
about risks to CHILDREN!" shrill cry...

I don't think anything more than that is needed until such time as
someone talks to the marina and/or the boater.

This is true.

(*When I fell in it was early November (in the marina which is off the
Potomac River), it was because I was folding the sails and
accidentally backed off the end of the dock. My first thought, as I
hit the water was "I'm going to die of hypothermia". I didn't
obviously.)

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"Rosalie B." wrote

I think the main hazard that Roger cited would be to people who had
a
legitimate reason to be in the water (like divers working on a prop)
and who did not know that the cord was in the water or if the cord
fell in while they were working.

Actually, I was envisioning someone leaning over to helpfully pull the
cord (which might look like a hose to a non boater) out of the water,
getting to the part that was wet with salt water, being surprised by
the tingle, and then pitching in.

--

Roger Long

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Roger Long wrote:
"Rosalie B." wrote

I think the main hazard that Roger cited would be to people who had
a
legitimate reason to be in the water (like divers working on a prop)
and who did not know that the cord was in the water or if the cord
fell in while they were working.

Actually, I was envisioning someone leaning over to helpfully pull the
cord (which might look like a hose to a non boater) out of the water,
getting to the part that was wet with salt water, being surprised by
the tingle, and then pitching in.

Roger Long



Any body ever too lazy after three beers with the guy a cople boats
over and just unfurl your short arm and take a **** over the side?

ZAPppp !
OUCH !

When I am working on my boat it sure is easy to just neel down and
rinse off my hands in the water.

And then there are the steel piles the dock is connected to. Guess I
better not touch them.
Oh, the dock water supply that runs through 1/2' galvanized pipe. Guess
I can not touch that.

I guess that is purdy stpid of me to think the marina water wont kill
me.
Too many what-ifs.

Bob

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Roger Long wrote:
"Rosalie B." wrote

I think the main hazard that Roger cited would be to people who had
a
legitimate reason to be in the water (like divers working on a prop)
and who did not know that the cord was in the water or if the cord
fell in while they were working.

Actually, I was envisioning someone leaning over to helpfully pull the
cord (which might look like a hose to a non boater) out of the water,
getting to the part that was wet with salt water, being surprised by
the tingle, and then pitching in.

While electrocutions are not that common, the CG accident reports
typically shows several each year from faulty shore power. The report
is not specific on what actually transpired, but they do say that
shore power vs swimmer accidents shall be included as "boating accidents."

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Bill Kearney wrote:
Relying on people to do the right thing WRT power is a waste of time.

Like relying on the marina to have it properly set up?

Well, yeah, you should be able to rely on the marina to do what's
technologically possible and cheap to protect fools from themselves,
and others from fools. As I said, RCD's are cheap. There really isn't
any good excuse for not using them and it makes a live cable immersed
in sal****er impossible, barring some sort of wierd RCD failure. The
only time I've had one of these things go bad, it went open circuit so
no current flowed ie a fail-safe condition.

PDW

Marina Etiquette
 

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"Roger Long" wrote:

What do you do when your marina neighbors are endangering other users,
your guests, and the metal parts of your boat?

I *like* our dock at Tolchester. We have an agreement that if something
is objectionable, it's perfectly okay to board another's boat and
correct it. We got stuck in the marina last weekend with 20+ sustained
and 35 knot gusts putting us on the lee shore and exactly one halyard
clanged -- sometimes.

What you did would have been perfectly acceptable in our world, except
that the owner would have liked a note stuffed through his companionway
explaining the situation.

'Course our dock may be a bit "different". Even with those gusts, most
on the dock went out and tried to sail -- for a half hour or so. Those
winds and waves were brutal.

Pat and I weren't in that crowd as we're cruisers: If it doesn't look
like fun, we're perfectly comfortable sitting still, wherever we are.
We've sailed worse, but neither of us suffer from testosterone poisoning.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
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