Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
Hi,
I want to put a motor on an 8' inflatable dinghy. A big question is whether I should use a conventional gasoline/oil based motor or go with electric. The situation is as follows: I plan to take the boat out to a complete wilderness (in a car/SUV) and use it there for, say, a week to explore lakes and streams. There will be no AC outlets out there. This creates a problem---how do I recharge the battery/batteries if I decide to go with electric motor? Is it possible to do it through the running car in some way? Is this a realistic approach anyway? Solar power(likely, unrealistic)/other alternatives? I would not have asked unless electric motor was not so nicely quiet and environmentally friendly and thus appeal to me. Using electric motor has its value, but it is not clear if it holds it in the above set up. Thanks |
Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
A big question is
whether I should use a conventional gasoline/oil based motor or go with electric. Easy to calculate running times for any given trolling motor and battery combination. Now calculate or observe your hull speed. Now you know your best possible range. Derate that for possible problems. My bet is a battery does not store enough energy to do what you want. The energy density of a lead storage battery vs gasoline is ludicrous. Think of that 50-pound trolling battery as a gas tank that holds (the equivalent energy of) a pint of fuel, takes all day to "fill" (recharge), costs $$$, and wears out in a few years. |
Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
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Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
When you move to the wilderness, and disconnect from the artificial
urban environment, you come face-to-face with the key issue: Electric vehicles require electric generators... somewhere. When you can just plug your charger into the wall, that nasty generating plant is out of sight and out of mind. But when YOU have to supply the electricity, you end up with the same conclusion: burn fossil fuel. But if you are going to burn fossil fuel, next you need to ask yourself if burning the fuel in an engine in the generator is an improvement over burning the fuel in an engine and using the power output directly, thus eliminating the need to carry (and indirectly, to manufacture) the battery and the electric motor, and eliminating the inefficiencies of turning shaft horsepower into electircity, electricity into stored chemical energy in the battery, stored chemical energy in the battery into electricity again, and finally converting electricity back into shaft horsepower. TAANSTAFL bob wrote: Hi, I want to put a motor on an 8' inflatable dinghy. A big question is whether I should use a conventional gasoline/oil based motor or go with electric. The situation is as follows: I plan to take the boat out to a complete wilderness (in a car/SUV) and use it there for, say, a week to explore lakes and streams. There will be no AC outlets out there. This creates a problem---how do I recharge the battery/batteries if I decide to go with electric motor? Is it possible to do it through the running car in some way? Is this a realistic approach anyway? Solar power(likely, unrealistic)/other alternatives? I would not have asked unless electric motor was not so nicely quiet and environmentally friendly and thus appeal to me. Using electric motor has its value, but it is not clear if it holds it in the above set up. Thanks |
Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
wrote:
I want to put a motor on an 8' inflatable dinghy. A big question is whether I should use a conventional gasoline/oil based motor or go with electric. The situation is as follows: I plan to take the boat out to a complete wilderness (in a car/SUV) and use it there for, say, a week to explore lakes and streams. Why not get a canoe & paddle? Or a boat which can be rowed? Likely to be almost as fast as a small outboard motor, or electric motor, much more reliable, good healthy exercise. ... how do I recharge the battery/batteries if I decide to go with electric motor? Is it possible to do it through the running car in some way? Sure, you could just connect the batteries to your car's start battery with jumper cables. It might take a couple hours of running at RPM above idle to recharge though. ... Is this a realistic approach anyway? Solar power(likely, unrealistic)/other alternatives? That depends on what the math of battery life vs recharge times, and the speed/range of your chosen motor with the numbers you get. Years ago, I went fishing and frog gigging regularly with a neighbor of mine who used an electric trolling motor on a small (10' or so) aluminum jon boat. We went ten miles or so on a plain old car battery, but then we could take a few days to get it charged again vie household 120VAC current. And went noticably slower at the end of the trip than at the beginning. ... I would not have asked unless electric motor was not so nicely quiet and environmentally friendly and thus appeal to me. Using electric motor has its value, but it is not clear if it holds it in the above set up. Richard J Kinch wrote: Easy to calculate running times for any given trolling motor and battery combination. Now calculate or observe your hull speed. Now you know your best possible range. Derate that for possible problems. Also remember you don't want to run the motor at over 3/4 throttle for best range. I don't think hull speed will be an issue. My bet is a battery does not store enough energy to do what you want. The energy density of a lead storage battery vs gasoline is ludicrous. True but the battery does offer some advantages. It's quiet and you can place the weight of it anywhere in the boat you want. Think of that 50-pound trolling battery as a gas tank that holds (the equivalent energy of) a pint of fuel, takes all day to "fill" (recharge), costs $$$, and wears out in a few years. That seems rather pessimistic. A plain old lead-acid battery can easily run thousands of charge-discharge cycles if it's treated properly. And the power equivalent is much more than a pint of gasoline, especially if you factor in the woeful inefficiency of internal combustion engines. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
Thanks everybody for the replies :)
I guess the best decision would be to go with a gasoline outboard. Since there is going to be no easy access to AC, recharging will be available through the alternator only. Meaning the following flow of energy: fuel - alternator - battery - motion with multiple transition of energy back and forth from/to chemical (2 types), electric (2 times), and motion (2 times) type forms. This cycle just does not seem as efficient as a simple fuel - motion. Plus, the time required to recharge---I don't think I'll have it. I'll start looking for some 4-stroke outboard like Honda now. Why not get a canoe & paddle? This is a good idea. But, for a person who spends all most of the time at his job just sitting on a chair this might too much of an exercise. Plus, I want to have some energy left to build a camp/cook a descent (hot) meal. |
Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
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Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
To complex for my poor brain..........
Borrow a canoe and two paddles from your neighbor. Fast, quiet, cheep, light, easy. Why are you set on a rubber raft? Bob |
Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
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Electric motor to power a dinghy revisited
Why are you set on a rubber raft?
Easy to transport, easy to store (does not take much space, and I don't have a house), light weight, fits into a backpack (a heavy backpack, but could easily carry it a couple of kilometers). Does this sound convincing? |
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