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Cooler testing question for Richard K.
We have a hot (or maybe cold) debate about ice coolers going between myself
and a couple of friends. I swear by my 58 qt Coleman Xtreme but one friend has a 60qt Frigid Rigid and the other went nuts and bought a 55 qt Icy-Tek. The Icy-Tek and Frigid Rigid are built much better than my Coleman but the Icy-Tek cost twice as much as my Coleman and the Frigid Rigid cost almost 7 times as much. Naturally my friends are desperate to prove that they didn't waste their money. :-) I have set up a challenge. We will load all three with 20 lb of ice. After 3 days we will drain and weigh the melt water. Now here is where the controversy comes in. The Frigid Rigid and Icy-Tek are permanently installed so we can't run the test side by side. I will set up my Hobo data loggers to monitor inside temps and set the external sensor outside to track surface temperature of the box. All the boxes will be kept shaded from direct sunlight. I figure that the area between the two temperature traces (difference in temperature x the time) times the capacity will give us a relative heat load for the test and the weight of the melt in pounds times 144 will give us an idea of the heat that actually made it through the box. Dividing one by the other should give us a number that indicates relative performance. Am I on the right track there? -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:u9gRf.503293$0l5.338643@dukeread06... We have a hot (or maybe cold) debate about ice coolers going between myself and a couple of friends. I swear by my 58 qt Coleman Xtreme but one friend has a 60qt Frigid Rigid and the other went nuts and bought a 55 qt Icy-Tek. The Icy-Tek and Frigid Rigid are built much better than my Coleman but the Icy-Tek cost twice as much as my Coleman and the Frigid Rigid cost almost 7 times as much. Naturally my friends are desperate to prove that they didn't waste their money. :-) I have set up a challenge. We will load all three with 20 lb of ice. After 3 days we will drain and weigh the melt water. Now here is where the controversy comes in. The Frigid Rigid and Icy-Tek are permanently installed so we can't run the test side by side. I will set up my Hobo data loggers to monitor inside temps and set the external sensor outside to track surface temperature of the box. All the boxes will be kept shaded from direct sunlight. I figure that the area between the two temperature traces (difference in temperature x the time) times the capacity will give us a relative heat load for the test and the weight of the melt in pounds times 144 will give us an idea of the heat that actually made it through the box. Dividing one by the other should give us a number that indicates relative performance. Am I on the right track there? If you start with equal blocks of ice, the chest that produces the least amount of water wins. I'd drain off and measure the water at certain intervals to judge the winner. Agree on the 'rules' beforehand, then "let 'er rip". You do watch Mythbusters don't you? :-) |
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norman wrote:
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:u9gRf.503293$0l5.338643@dukeread06... We have a hot (or maybe cold) debate about ice coolers going between myself and a couple of friends. I swear by my 58 qt Coleman Xtreme but one friend has a 60qt Frigid Rigid and the other went nuts and bought a 55 qt Icy-Tek. The Icy-Tek and Frigid Rigid are built much better than my Coleman but the Icy-Tek cost twice as much as my Coleman and the Frigid Rigid cost almost 7 times as much. Naturally my friends are desperate to prove that they didn't waste their money. :-) I have set up a challenge. We will load all three with 20 lb of ice. After 3 days we will drain and weigh the melt water. Now here is where the controversy comes in. The Frigid Rigid and Icy-Tek are permanently installed so we can't run the test side by side. I will set up my Hobo data loggers to monitor inside temps and set the external sensor outside to track surface temperature of the box. All the boxes will be kept shaded from direct sunlight. I figure that the area between the two temperature traces (difference in temperature x the time) times the capacity will give us a relative heat load for the test and the weight of the melt in pounds times 144 will give us an idea of the heat that actually made it through the box. Dividing one by the other should give us a number that indicates relative performance. Am I on the right track there? If you start with equal blocks of ice, the chest that produces the least amount of water wins. I'd drain off and measure the water at certain intervals to judge the winner. Agree on the 'rules' beforehand, then "let 'er rip". You do watch Mythbusters don't you? :-) Wouldn't it be easier to weigh the block of ice before and after to determine which has better thermal qualities? krj |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
Unless these tests are done in an equal still air controlled ambient
environment throughout the test period, I would not trust the results. A good test may show only three liquid ounces of ice melt difference between all three boxes in a 14 hour test. If you consider a liquid ounce consumed only about 10 Btu during the phase change, how important would the three ounces be? Now the equation must be reduced to heat loss by quart of air space in order to compensate for different box sizes. If the delta T were increased by having all boxes in a controlled environment of 110 degrees the ice melt might mean something. How were you purposing to calculate the changing box exterior temperature as the day night temperature changed? And what margin of error would you use plus or minis three ounces of water. |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
I am not expecting a lot of difference in performance. The$380 difference
in price is what I am questioning. :-) I was figuring to monitor ambient and interior temps with the Hobo for the 72 hour test then use the average delta to adjust the results for environment differences. Probably simpler to take my box out to their boats and do the test side by side. I will have to buy an extra temperature probe though. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Unless these tests are done in an equal still air controlled ambient environment throughout the test period, I would not trust the results. A good test may show only three liquid ounces of ice melt difference between all three boxes in a 14 hour test. If you consider a liquid ounce consumed only about 10 Btu during the phase change, how important would the three ounces be? Now the equation must be reduced to heat loss by quart of air space in order to compensate for different box sizes. If the delta T were increased by having all boxes in a controlled environment of 110 degrees the ice melt might mean something. How were you purposing to calculate the changing box exterior temperature as the day night temperature changed? And what margin of error would you use plus or minis three ounces of water. |
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Seems an awful lot of effort to prove nothing in particular.
A much more meaningful test would be to buy 3 cases of beer and three nearly identical blocks of ice. Put one case of beer and one block of ice in each cooler. Last man conscious wins. Doesn't prove anything more but is a lot more enjoyable/ BF "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:DYjRf.503532$0l5.17408@dukeread06... I am not expecting a lot of difference in performance. The$380 difference in price is what I am questioning. :-) I was figuring to monitor ambient and interior temps with the Hobo for the 72 hour test then use the average delta to adjust the results for environment differences. Probably simpler to take my box out to their boats and do the test side by side. I will have to buy an extra temperature probe though. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Unless these tests are done in an equal still air controlled ambient environment throughout the test period, I would not trust the results. A good test may show only three liquid ounces of ice melt difference between all three boxes in a 14 hour test. If you consider a liquid ounce consumed only about 10 Btu during the phase change, how important would the three ounces be? Now the equation must be reduced to heat loss by quart of air space in order to compensate for different box sizes. If the delta T were increased by having all boxes in a controlled environment of 110 degrees the ice melt might mean something. How were you purposing to calculate the changing box exterior temperature as the day night temperature changed? And what margin of error would you use plus or minis three ounces of water. |
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You have to much time on your hands LOL
Lushy from AU "BF" wrote in message ... Seems an awful lot of effort to prove nothing in particular. A much more meaningful test would be to buy 3 cases of beer and three nearly identical blocks of ice. Put one case of beer and one block of ice in each cooler. Last man conscious wins. Doesn't prove anything more but is a lot more enjoyable/ BF "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:DYjRf.503532$0l5.17408@dukeread06... I am not expecting a lot of difference in performance. The$380 difference in price is what I am questioning. :-) I was figuring to monitor ambient and interior temps with the Hobo for the 72 hour test then use the average delta to adjust the results for environment differences. Probably simpler to take my box out to their boats and do the test side by side. I will have to buy an extra temperature probe though. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Unless these tests are done in an equal still air controlled ambient environment throughout the test period, I would not trust the results. A good test may show only three liquid ounces of ice melt difference between all three boxes in a 14 hour test. If you consider a liquid ounce consumed only about 10 Btu during the phase change, how important would the three ounces be? Now the equation must be reduced to heat loss by quart of air space in order to compensate for different box sizes. If the delta T were increased by having all boxes in a controlled environment of 110 degrees the ice melt might mean something. How were you purposing to calculate the changing box exterior temperature as the day night temperature changed? And what margin of error would you use plus or minis three ounces of water. |
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This is a matter of honor! Two power boaters against a sailor. No effort
can be spared! :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "BF" wrote in message ... Seems an awful lot of effort to prove nothing in particular. A much more meaningful test would be to buy 3 cases of beer and three nearly identical blocks of ice. Put one case of beer and one block of ice in each cooler. Last man conscious wins. Doesn't prove anything more but is a lot more enjoyable/ BF "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:DYjRf.503532$0l5.17408@dukeread06... I am not expecting a lot of difference in performance. The$380 difference in price is what I am questioning. :-) I was figuring to monitor ambient and interior temps with the Hobo for the 72 hour test then use the average delta to adjust the results for environment differences. Probably simpler to take my box out to their boats and do the test side by side. I will have to buy an extra temperature probe though. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Unless these tests are done in an equal still air controlled ambient environment throughout the test period, I would not trust the results. A good test may show only three liquid ounces of ice melt difference between all three boxes in a 14 hour test. If you consider a liquid ounce consumed only about 10 Btu during the phase change, how important would the three ounces be? Now the equation must be reduced to heat loss by quart of air space in order to compensate for different box sizes. If the delta T were increased by having all boxes in a controlled environment of 110 degrees the ice melt might mean something. How were you purposing to calculate the changing box exterior temperature as the day night temperature changed? And what margin of error would you use plus or minis three ounces of water. |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
"BF" wrote in message ... Seems an awful lot of effort to prove nothing in particular. A much more meaningful test would be to buy 3 cases of beer and three nearly identical blocks of ice. Put one case of beer and one block of ice in each cooler. Last man conscious wins. Doesn't prove anything more but is a lot more enjoyable/ BF Tada! Give that man a ceegar! It started to sound like.....how many boaters does it take to purchase a cooler..... ;-) |
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No problem!
Then three cases of beer and only one block of ice. Any power boaters goin to loose. BF "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:YTlRf.503825$0l5.180645@dukeread06... This is a matter of honor! Two power boaters against a sailor. No effort can be spared! :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "BF" wrote in message ... Seems an awful lot of effort to prove nothing in particular. A much more meaningful test would be to buy 3 cases of beer and three nearly identical blocks of ice. Put one case of beer and one block of ice in each cooler. Last man conscious wins. Doesn't prove anything more but is a lot more enjoyable/ BF "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:DYjRf.503532$0l5.17408@dukeread06... I am not expecting a lot of difference in performance. The$380 difference in price is what I am questioning. :-) I was figuring to monitor ambient and interior temps with the Hobo for the 72 hour test then use the average delta to adjust the results for environment differences. Probably simpler to take my box out to their boats and do the test side by side. I will have to buy an extra temperature probe though. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Unless these tests are done in an equal still air controlled ambient environment throughout the test period, I would not trust the results. A good test may show only three liquid ounces of ice melt difference between all three boxes in a 14 hour test. If you consider a liquid ounce consumed only about 10 Btu during the phase change, how important would the three ounces be? Now the equation must be reduced to heat loss by quart of air space in order to compensate for different box sizes. If the delta T were increased by having all boxes in a controlled environment of 110 degrees the ice melt might mean something. How were you purposing to calculate the changing box exterior temperature as the day night temperature changed? And what margin of error would you use plus or minis three ounces of water. |
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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in news:u9gRf.503293$0l5.338643
@dukeread06: Am I on the right track there? You guys need to stop screwin' around with coolers and get out those sanders and paintbrushes! It's SPRINGTIME and you got WORK to do! |
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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in
news:EIjRf.503527$0l5.151919@dukeread06: The funny thing is Practical Sailor did a similar test a few issues back with the boxes side by side and the $68 Coleman beat the $450 Frigid Rigid. :-) I want you to add one more cooler to the test...... Go down to the dollar stores and buy the biggest cheap styrofoam cooler, the one that just styrofoam and $6 you can find. Test it to and it'll wipe the nose of all the others....(c; Floats, too, even fulla beer!...(c; |
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"David" wrote in news:4415dc43$1_3
@news.chariot.net.au: You have to much time on your hands LOL Lushy from AU And every bloke from Oz would be standing there to watch it, too!...(c; |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
Practical Sailor did this and reported on the results for the Dec 1,
'05 issue. See: http://www.practical-sailor.com/pub/...es/5211-1.html for a brief synopsis. You'll be happy to know that the Coleman 'Ultimate Extreme Marine' was the Best Buy winner. MW |
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That is what started the whole debate. When I mentioned that test I think I
got their testosterone in an uproar. :-) The $450 Frigid Rigid was a close second and the Icy-Tek came in a distant 6th. I got a hundred bucks riding on the outcome and win as long as my cooler is even close to equal to theirs. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Practical Sailor did this and reported on the results for the Dec 1, '05 issue. See: http://www.practical-sailor.com/pub/...es/5211-1.html for a brief synopsis. You'll be happy to know that the Coleman 'Ultimate Extreme Marine' was the Best Buy winner. MW |
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It seems to me that you need to pre-cool the units if you want it to be a
straightforward test of thermal retention. Load them all with ice the night before the contest and then clean them out and reload with ice for the measuring of the melt rate. If you don't do that, a unit with better insulation, but a higher thermal mass might appear to lose because of ice melted to cool the unit down. In article 26pRf.503838$0l5.167922@dukeread06, "Glenn Ashmore" wrote: That is what started the whole debate. When I mentioned that test I think I got their testosterone in an uproar. :-) The $450 Frigid Rigid was a close second and the Icy-Tek came in a distant 6th. I got a hundred bucks riding on the outcome and win as long as my cooler is even close to equal to theirs. |
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An engineer, accountant and, of course a lawyer are in their hunting
lodge after a day in the bush. The engineer says my dog is smarter than your dogs. He proceeds to dump a bag of dog biscuits on the floor and says "Sliderule build me a cantilever bridge". The dog dutifully moves the biscuits into a perfect example. The accountant mixes up the biscuits and tells his dog "Ledger, give me a trial balance", whereupon the dog manouevers the biscuits into an auditor's dream of perfection. The lawyer laughs and says to his dog, Suppaeny" show them howit's done". He smiles, copulates with each dog and then eats all the biscuits. This is the kind of contest you are in. |
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At last! An intelligent discussion about a worthy subject. Thanks guys!
Rusty O "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:26pRf.503838$0l5.167922@dukeread06... That is what started the whole debate. When I mentioned that test I think I got their testosterone in an uproar. :-) The $450 Frigid Rigid was a close second and the Icy-Tek came in a distant 6th. I got a hundred bucks riding on the outcome and win as long as my cooler is even close to equal to theirs. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com wrote in message oups.com... Practical Sailor did this and reported on the results for the Dec 1, '05 issue. See: http://www.practical-sailor.com/pub/...es/5211-1.html for a brief synopsis. You'll be happy to know that the Coleman 'Ultimate Extreme Marine' was the Best Buy winner. MW |
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Larry wrote:
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in I want you to add one more cooler to the test...... Go down to the dollar stores and buy the biggest cheap styrofoam cooler, the one that just styrofoam and $6 you can find. Test it to and it'll wipe the nose of all the others....(c; Floats, too, even fulla beer!...(c; And they can make a interesting fiberglass practice project. This is a good sanity check for anyone thinking of building a fiberglass airplane. (sorta also applies to glass boats?) If you can make a nice looking glass cooler, you might be able to build a nice airplane - or boat. Otherwise, do something else. Ultimate Beer Cooler Project: Select a cheap Styrofoam cooler. Using 5 ounce BID, and epoxy resin (!), glass micro balloons, and chopper cotton fiber --- cover the cooler. Plan on 4 layers on the bottom, 3 on the out sides, and 2 insides and 4 on the floor(!). 1" overlaps typical. 2 layers BID on the lid. Don't forget to prep the lid / cooler clearances! Probably easier to take some off of the bottom of lid than to attack the inside edge of the cooler. Lay some extra glass tape along the contact area of the lid. Sand for a tight fit when it's all solid. If you just happen to have some of that neato looking carbon fiber tape handy, add a wrap around the cooler during the lay-up. - and - presto - the World's First Carbon Fiber Reinforced Beer Cooler! In the end, if it looks nice and weighs less than 10 pounds? If the wife points it out, "can you believe HE made that?". If you didn't break out in hives, or scratch rashes. And found you are allergic to latex (nitryl gloves). It's almost kinda fun. sorta... |
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JimH wrote:
"BF" wrote in message ... Seems an awful lot of effort to prove nothing in particular. A much more meaningful test would be to buy 3 cases of beer and three nearly identical blocks of ice. Put one case of beer and one block of ice in each cooler. Last man conscious wins. Doesn't prove anything more but is a lot more enjoyable/ BF Tada! Give that man a ceegar! It started to sound like.....how many boaters does it take to purchase a cooler..... ;-) Dry Ice. A buck a block at the local grocery store. A block of dry, a bag of wet, and - more beer! |
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Actually did something similar a few years ago. I ordered a big batch of
prime steaks for a party we were having from one of those mail order places. They came packed in a nice big bare Styrofoam cooler with 2" thick walls. To good to throw away so I covered it in epoxy and 6oz glass. I have a feeling it would run circles around anything on the market for keeping ice. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "BF" wrote in message ... Did that 20 or so years ago, except used 2" sheet eps home insulation instead of a premade cooler. Made it custom to fit between the second and third thwart on a 25' Old Town canoe. Not only will it hold food and beer for 6 and keep it cold for 3 days, but also provides a quite comfy seat for that station on the boat. No carbon fiber, way too expensive back then. Still in good service today. BF "Richard Lamb" wrote in message link.net... Larry wrote: "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in I want you to add one more cooler to the test...... Go down to the dollar stores and buy the biggest cheap styrofoam cooler, the one that just styrofoam and $6 you can find. Test it to and it'll wipe the nose of all the others....(c; Floats, too, even fulla beer!...(c; And they can make a interesting fiberglass practice project. This is a good sanity check for anyone thinking of building a fiberglass airplane. (sorta also applies to glass boats?) If you can make a nice looking glass cooler, you might be able to build a nice airplane - or boat. Otherwise, do something else. Ultimate Beer Cooler Project: Select a cheap Styrofoam cooler. Using 5 ounce BID, and epoxy resin (!), glass micro balloons, and chopper cotton fiber --- cover the cooler. Plan on 4 layers on the bottom, 3 on the out sides, and 2 insides and 4 on the floor(!). 1" overlaps typical. 2 layers BID on the lid. Don't forget to prep the lid / cooler clearances! Probably easier to take some off of the bottom of lid than to attack the inside edge of the cooler. Lay some extra glass tape along the contact area of the lid. Sand for a tight fit when it's all solid. If you just happen to have some of that neato looking carbon fiber tape handy, add a wrap around the cooler during the lay-up. - and - presto - the World's First Carbon Fiber Reinforced Beer Cooler! In the end, if it looks nice and weighs less than 10 pounds? If the wife points it out, "can you believe HE made that?". If you didn't break out in hives, or scratch rashes. And found you are allergic to latex (nitryl gloves). It's almost kinda fun. sorta... |
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"BF" wrote in message ... Did that 20 or so years ago, except used 2" sheet eps home insulation instead of a premade cooler. Made it custom to fit between the second and third thwart on a 25' Old Town canoe. Not only will it hold food and beer for 6 and keep it cold for 3 days, but also provides a quite comfy seat for that station on the boat. No carbon fiber, way too expensive back then. Still in good service today. BF The problem with the test as initially reported is that coolers do not stay closed and are opened repeatedly during the course of a day on the water. That alone is a variable that is not taken into account. Regardless, I would just rely on what the manufacturers claim and leave it at that. Life is too short to worry about one cooler keeping things colder than another for a whole 3 hours, 25 minutes and 22 seconds. ;-) Keep the cooler out of the sun and the top highly insulated brands will all do equally well. For me it would be more of a matter of cost. Another consideration is a 12v cooler. They work great if you have the battery capacity. Cooler Joke: A redhead girl was walking down the street. She was carrying a boxy object suspended from a handle and ran into a blonde friend of hers who never saw such an object. The blonde asked what it was, to which the redhead friend replied: "It is a cooler. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold". The blonde was impressed and immediately purchased one. The next day the blonde was walking down the street with the cooler and ran into one of her blonde friends. Her friend asked what she was carrying as she had never seen such an object, to which the blonde replied: "It is a cooler. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold". The other blonde was impressed and asked what was inside, to which the blonde replied: "A cup of coffee and a popsicle." :-) |
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I like the Thermos bottle story almost as much:
Two ethnics of your choice were discussing amazing inventions, like television - it shows moving pepole from anywhere, and telephones that speak any language and one insisted taht the thermos bottle was the most amazing thing ever. The other stopped and asked why he thought this was so amazing and got the answer: "Well, you can put hot stuff in it and it keeps it hot, Or you can put cold stuff in it and it keeps it cold. How does it know?" Matt Colie JimH wrote: "BF" wrote in message ... Did that 20 or so years ago, except used 2" sheet eps home insulation instead of a premade cooler. Made it custom to fit between the second and third thwart on a 25' Old Town canoe. Not only will it hold food and beer for 6 and keep it cold for 3 days, but also provides a quite comfy seat for that station on the boat. No carbon fiber, way too expensive back then. Still in good service today. BF The problem with the test as initially reported is that coolers do not stay closed and are opened repeatedly during the course of a day on the water. That alone is a variable that is not taken into account. Regardless, I would just rely on what the manufacturers claim and leave it at that. Life is too short to worry about one cooler keeping things colder than another for a whole 3 hours, 25 minutes and 22 seconds. ;-) Keep the cooler out of the sun and the top highly insulated brands will all do equally well. For me it would be more of a matter of cost. Another consideration is a 12v cooler. They work great if you have the battery capacity. Cooler Joke: A redhead girl was walking down the street. She was carrying a boxy object suspended from a handle and ran into a blonde friend of hers who never saw such an object. The blonde asked what it was, to which the redhead friend replied: "It is a cooler. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold". The blonde was impressed and immediately purchased one. The next day the blonde was walking down the street with the cooler and ran into one of her blonde friends. Her friend asked what she was carrying as she had never seen such an object, to which the blonde replied: "It is a cooler. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold". The other blonde was impressed and asked what was inside, to which the blonde replied: "A cup of coffee and a popsicle." :-) |
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:04:23 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote: Another variation: Her friend asked what she was carrying as she had never seen such an object, to which the blonde replied: "It is a cooler. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold". reply: "But how does it know?" |
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"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... I like the Thermos bottle story almost as much: Two ethnics of your choice were discussing amazing inventions, like television - it shows moving pepole from anywhere, and telephones that speak any language and one insisted taht the thermos bottle was the most amazing thing ever. The other stopped and asked why he thought this was so amazing and got the answer: "Well, you can put hot stuff in it and it keeps it hot, Or you can put cold stuff in it and it keeps it cold. How does it know?" Matt Colie Don't give up your day job Matt. ;-) |
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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in
news:htIRf.504681$0l5.8607@dukeread06: Actually did something similar a few years ago. I ordered a big batch of prime steaks for a party we were having from one of those mail order places. They came packed in a nice big bare Styrofoam cooler with 2" thick walls. To good to throw away so I covered it in epoxy and 6oz glass. I have a feeling it would run circles around anything on the market for keeping ice. Piggly Wiggly suddenly had this fantastic little Kraft cheeze cooler made of bare styrofoam with a plastic top with a sliding plexiglass door you could see through to see the cheeze inside. It has this little refridgeration unit in it at the top with a tiny compressor like you'd find in a water cooler or overpriced boat ice box converter. Every time I walked by it shopping, I couldn't help but think how nice it would be to have that cooler filled with fine English ale in my little home bar. After it had been there a couple of weeks, I asked a "contact" I'd been courting for favors at the PigWig what they were going to do with the cooler when the cheeze promo was over. "Oh, they'll just trash it. There's no room to store it and Kraft will send them different ones next time.", he replied to my astonishment. Reminding him of the last DVD player I fixed for him a few months ago, I asked him to quietly ferret out the cooler when The Pig was done with it and just call me to get it. I was right. It doesn't make any more noise in my bar than the chicken- feeder water cooler in the kitchen. Those fine English Ales and a row of Warsteiner Dunkel look much better in the little plastic viewing door than the cheeze ever did....(c; I even found the thermostat to adjust it to just the precise serving temperature Boddington's recommends.... The Kraft signage came right off.... Best free cooler I ever had.... |
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Matt Colie wrote in news:ZaJRf.79$nO1.44
@fe02.lga: Two ethnics of your choice Very tactful, Matt. But, won't all the ethnic organizations be standing at your door with guns and goons, instead of just the JDL or NAACP?....(c; In the South, the ethnics of choice are always referred to as "Democrats", which seems to keep them calm or ignorant of who the joke is about... |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
This doesn't sound like the way to have a cheap cooler.
My conscience says "three bucks" every time I add an ounce of epoxy resin to the mixing pot. (System Three prices) Fiberglass isn't cheap either. Roger http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm "Richard Lamb" wrote in message link.net... Larry wrote: "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in I want you to add one more cooler to the test...... Go down to the dollar stores and buy the biggest cheap styrofoam cooler, the one that just styrofoam and $6 you can find. Test it to and it'll wipe the nose of all the others....(c; Floats, too, even fulla beer!...(c; And they can make a interesting fiberglass practice project. Ultimate Beer Cooler Project: Select a cheap Styrofoam cooler. Using 5 ounce BID, and epoxy resin (!), glass micro balloons, and chopper cotton fiber --- cover the cooler. Plan on 4 layers on the bottom, 3 on the out sides, and 2 insides and 4 on the floor(!). 1" overlaps typical. 2 layers BID on the lid. Don't forget to prep the lid / cooler clearances! Probably easier to take some off of the bottom of lid than to attack the inside edge of the cooler. Lay some extra glass tape along the contact area of the lid. Sand for a tight fit when it's all solid. If you just happen to have some of that neato looking carbon fiber tape handy, add a wrap around the cooler during the lay-up. - and - presto - the World's First Carbon Fiber Reinforced Beer Cooler! |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
"derbyrm" wrote in message news:mEYRf.824853$x96.391861@attbi_s72... This doesn't sound like the way to have a cheap cooler. My conscience says "three bucks" every time I add an ounce of epoxy resin to the mixing pot. (System Three prices) Fiberglass isn't cheap either. I think the point is that you would do this to gain the experience of working with fiberglass on a practice project, not just to have a cheap cooler. --AG |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
When you have been through a couple hundred gallons of the stuff a couple of
ounces don't mean nuttin'. Building a big boat warps your sense of value. Besides if I hadn't spent it on epoxy I would have spent it on Scotch. It is about the same price per gallon. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... "derbyrm" wrote in message news:mEYRf.824853$x96.391861@attbi_s72... This doesn't sound like the way to have a cheap cooler. My conscience says "three bucks" every time I add an ounce of epoxy resin to the mixing pot. (System Three prices) Fiberglass isn't cheap either. I think the point is that you would do this to gain the experience of working with fiberglass on a practice project, not just to have a cheap cooler. --AG |
Cooler testing question for Richard K.
But I bet you don't buy the Scotch by the 200 l drum .. Do your own
conversions, I think it's a 50 gallon drum where you are ..... David "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:UK3Sf.510446$0l5.373406@dukeread06... When you have been through a couple hundred gallons of the stuff a couple of ounces don't mean nuttin'. Building a big boat warps your sense of value. Besides if I hadn't spent it on epoxy I would have spent it on Scotch. It is about the same price per gallon. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Alan Gomes" wrote in message ... "derbyrm" wrote in message news:mEYRf.824853$x96.391861@attbi_s72... This doesn't sound like the way to have a cheap cooler. My conscience says "three bucks" every time I add an ounce of epoxy resin to the mixing pot. (System Three prices) Fiberglass isn't cheap either. I think the point is that you would do this to gain the experience of working with fiberglass on a practice project, not just to have a cheap cooler. --AG |
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