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Dave wrote in
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So, Larry, 'splain to me again why you and I and other
yachtsmen
deserve to have those folks out in Arizona pay for our charts.



For the same reason I'm living in SC and paying for their power
dam.

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The simple difference is democracy is a system of government by the
whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically
through elected representatives and a republic is a state in which
supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives,
and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
There are so many definitions in there though that most people won't
see what that really says. You need to at least know that I monarch is
a sovereign head of state and sovereign is a supreme ruler. It would
help to understand that in a republic the supreme power is held in a
creator (God) and that leaves all levels of government i.e., the ones
in power and the ones that elect, equal. It leave my rights to me with
me and not the supreme ruler! The real difference is, then, is that a
republic is a small centralized government with more power in the local
area and a belief in self ownership and a democracy is a large central
government with little power in the local area and does not support
self ownership.

If you read the Declaration of Independence and then read The United
States Constitution, (in that order) you will quickly see what the
framers were thinking and then tried to do. They were sick of a
monarchy so much so that they made titles of nobility illegal in the
states. Esquire is a title of nobility and used by most attorneys and
most politicians that clime high are attorneys so you can see where
this country went wrong!

Nowhere in our constitution or any attacked documentation has our
country ever been called a democracy but those in power have been
trying to make it one for a long time. Our "Pledge of Allegiance"
does it state to the democracy. You will find it saying to the
republic!

You will find a few people here and there that understand the meaning
and importance of words on paper and these days, we're looked upon
like rebel outcasts with some sort of social disorder. The truth of the
mater is that the vast majority of our population knows nothing and
could care less so long as they have a wide screen TV and a fancy car.
The sad part is they don't even think they own themselves.

Self-ownership is a concept that is never talked about because with it
comes responsibility. Self-ownership is the key to freedom and the lack
of it is the key to Hitlerism.

If you are interested, look up the difference between Citizen and
citizen and then read your banking agreement. Ask yourself what a car
registration is, where the drivers license came from and if you really
own your car. Find out what a marriage license is and if you really
need one to be legally married. Find out the difference between signing
an agreement with your bride in front of a minister of a church that is
NOT a corporation and signing a marriage license with the state.

Its all about who owns you and what someone else has the right to do to
you, your land and your belongings.

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe in republicans much more then I
do democrats. Those titles are a smoke screen over the freedom concept
of elected official. The bottom line is always gong to be power for all
of them and less self ownership.

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I re read this and should have spell checked it in something. Clime
should have been climb and attacked should read attached. There are
probably a few more but oh well - you get the idea. Somebody tell
google to put a spell checker on their beta site so I don't type so
many mistakes:-) I guess you can tell what time of day I type something
by the number of misspells there are!

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I forwarded your message to my colleagues at the Canadian Hydrographic
Service. They responded that they are acting as directed by Canadian
laws.

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Well.... ummmm... We pay for their water.


Dave wrote:
Why?

So that people can live there.
If you took away the Federally funded water projects, Nevada
& Arizona and much of Colorado & California would be almost
uninhabitable.



And........ We pay for their grazing land.


Dave wrote:
Why?


So that politically well-connected ranchers can make a profit.


And....... We pay for fighting their wildfires.


Why?


So that people's houses don't get burned down, or so that
publicly owned land isn't totally devastated (partial
devastation optional).



And....... We pay for their mudslide disasters.

Why?


For the same reason we all help pay for Mississippi River
flood reconstruction, for hurricane victims assistance, for
dredging channels into harbors, for police & courts to catch
& punish criminals, for a space program, for scientific
research, and for the world's most powerful military.

It's called "the common good." The concept may have expanded
beyond reasonable boundaries, but if you deny the basic
concept, try going out in the woods and living totally on
your own. To be fair, you should start naked & empty handed,
but we don't want to be mean. You can have a pair of shorts
& a pocket knife.



It's kinda one of the functions of government to spread things around,
both the good and the bad.


That is a thoroughly debatable proposition, it seems to me.

Tell us that *after* you come back from a year or two in the
woods, Dave.

Regards
Doug King

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Humm, if that is the only opposition that I get from that post then I
think I am doing pretty well ☺

Are you an attorney by chance? ….. not that being one is bad in and
of itself, just wondering….

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Dave wrote in
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Actually, a lawyer with any degree of self-confidence and sense of
propriety will use "Esq." only when writing other lawyers--not with
reference to himself. Unfortunately, there are a few, particularly
those just out of law school, who are very full of themselves and
insist on using it indiscriminately.


I still think it's fun to hand a lawyer a dead flashlight and two new
batteries to see if he can make it light without calling for outside
aid....(c;

I've never figured out what makes one worth over $6/hour.....

.....about what we pay his typist who does most of the work.

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Dave wrote in news:5s5h0292jj8s29d3b35tsvmuhckihokt24@
4ax.com:

And that reason is.....?



I suppose, to your dismay obviously, the public shares the cost of doing
public things, like building and operating that dam in AZ, or Francis
Marion National Forest in SC, as an example. The interstate highway
running past your city is paid for by all of us, not just you, because any
of us may drive on it, unmolested by you saying we cannot. I may drive on
your roads or operate a boat in your local waterways, and you may operate
in mine as they are both public property to be used by anyone who wishes to
use them.

Will this troll go on for weeks?

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Dave wrote in
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That is a thoroughly debatable proposition, it seems to me. And even
if you accept it in principle it doesn't answer the question why this
particular item from which the taxpayers in general derive no benefit
should not be paid for solely by those who do benefit.



Let's try another point.....

Yachtsmen, a very affluent group of citizens, pay an inordinate amount of
the taxes used to gather the chart data, operate the chart bureaucracy and
spit out the products. Actually I think they have MORE rights to the
charts than I do, living more simply and paying FAR less taxes than
they....

If you're looking for class warfare, it won't be me. If it weren't for
billionaires, millionaires and other very-well-off people....we'd all
starve down here at the bottom of the food chain. I fully appreciate it
every time some filthy-rich person calls me to fix their electronic piano
in that big mansion on Kiawah Island. I really don't envy them because
that morning while they were slaving away trying to double their money, I
was sitting on my lazy ass in this chair typing with friends who choose to
be as lazy as I am.

Most of these people pay more taxes in a week than money I spend in a year!
I don't really think they are any happier than I am, looking at them close
up, however. I've yet to figure that out.....

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Larry wrote:
Dave wrote in
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Actually, a lawyer with any degree of self-confidence and sense of
propriety will use "Esq." only when writing other lawyers--not with
reference to himself. Unfortunately, there are a few, particularly
those just out of law school, who are very full of themselves and
insist on using it indiscriminately.



I still think it's fun to hand a lawyer a dead flashlight and two new
batteries to see if he can make it light without calling for outside
aid....(c;

I've never figured out what makes one worth over $6/hour.....

....about what we pay his typist who does most of the work.


Dunno... I bet OJ Simpson feels his lawyers were worth every penny.