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Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
"FREE 1960 28' Pearson Triton PROJECT We are looking for a home for a 1960 Pearson Triton, Hull #69. I'll be honest, this is a real project boat. It is free for who ever will come haul it out of our back yard and we will throw in the 5 boatstands it is sitting on. This boat is a COMPLETE REBUILD, mostly what you would be getting is a sound hull, but it's a big job to be sure." http://blog.oldragbaggersonline.com/ There are quite a few detail images of the Trition XXXXXXXXXXXXXXx http://www.atomvoyages.com/ "Atom's Virtual Homeport contains stories and scenes from over 20 years and two voyages around the world seeking adventure aboard our 28-foot Pearson Triton sailboat, Atom. " This is a link that may provide more info on the Trition The follwing links are sites that have refit/rebuild info on the Triton and are some of the best such sites on the net. http://www.triton381.com/forum/ http://www.triton381.com/ Mic'67 http://www.dasein668.com/ |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
why don't you post this on the sailnet pearson group? I'm sure that
would be some interest. Ed Reiss P33-2 36 Being there |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
On 6 Feb 2006 15:06:23 -0800, "
wrote: why don't you post this on the sailnet pearson group? I'm sure that would be some interest. Or on "rec.boats.building" Clapped out boats of that era are basically negative value, meaning that it costs more to fix them up than they are worth. The most valuable part is probably the keel which can be sold as scrap lead but then you have to pay to dump everything else. On the other hand it might be of some value to an armchair sailor who dreams of faraway places. If they actually owned something that vaguely resembled a boat, they could argue that they will someday take off in it once they have the time/money/opportunity, etc. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On 6 Feb 2006 15:06:23 -0800, " wrote: why don't you post this on the sailnet pearson group? I'm sure that would be some interest. Or on "rec.boats.building" Clapped out boats of that era are basically negative value, meaning that it costs more to fix them up than they are worth. The most valuable part is probably the keel which can be sold as scrap lead but then you have to pay to dump everything else. On the other hand it might be of some value to an armchair sailor who dreams of faraway places. If they actually owned something that vaguely resembled a boat, they could argue that they will someday take off in it once they have the time/money/opportunity, etc. Hey, not necessarily armchair. I bought an 64 Cal 20, which was in not much better shape, fixed her up, sailed her for a couple of years, then sold her for some nice change, but you're right, it was a loser financially. I didn't mind. It was a great experience fixing her and sailing her. It was worth the small cost in $$s. I'm not sure I want to totally repeat that with a larger boat, but I don't mind doin some fixin if there's a payoff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:04:30 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: Hey, not necessarily armchair. I bought an 64 Cal 20, which was in not much better shape, fixed her up, sailed her for a couple of years, then sold her for some nice change, but you're right, it was a loser financially. I didn't mind. It was a great experience fixing her and sailing her. It was worth the small cost in $$s. I'm not sure I want to totally repeat that with a larger boat, but I don't mind doin some fixin if there's a payoff. The Triton is a rather special boat and should anyone read the links provided from the owners and the fact that this boat was built by one of the top 6 sailboat designers, it is timeless. Tim, the owner of triton 381 is a marine surveyor that did a total rebuild and then bought a second one and did the samething called "the daysailor" which, when it was supposedly sold, went for about the same price as a new 27' pacific seacraft . The tritons were build by 2 different companies one east coast US, one west coast. Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. and then the Ariel and just about every Alberg designed boat, just look at the owners associations of these boats. Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? What would it cost to build a hull like that today, either as a one off or in a production capacity? "Heck is a place for people who don't believe in Gosh." Mic'67 -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
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Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
Mic wrote:
The Triton is a rather special boat *Every* boat is a rather special boat. Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? ... What would it cost to build a hull like that today A mold, a lot of cloth, a lot of resin, and a willingness to get all icky while breathing unhealthy fumes. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. The Triton can be a very nice boat. I salute anybody who takes one from a bare hull & works it up to a working cruising vessel... a very worthwhile accomplishment. I'd also suggest that goin in, they be careful & coldly realistic in assessing how much the project is going to cost; and that they be cavalier about the price once it's finished. Same with any boat restoration... some would call what we're going thru a 'restoration' although the boat was in good sound working order when we bought it. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:46:46 -0500, DSK wrote:
Mic wrote: The Triton is a rather special boat *Every* boat is a rather special boat. Well considering that there is no other boat of that era that so many make the effort to preserve, some are more special than others. Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. The plus side outweighs the other aspects from a crusing point of view as decided by the many budget cruisers that choose them. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Those that have them and those that want them see value in them and not just as a piece of history. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? Thats not really a fair comparison per say when it come to practicality or useage. ... What would it cost to build a hull like that today A mold, a lot of cloth, a lot of resin, and a willingness to get all icky while breathing unhealthy fumes. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. The practical reality, paticularly the time and cost of restoration of any boat is usually the determining factor. If you see the value in the design and seek to enjoy such, in a practical manner what are the current options to a boat like this? Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. Given the cost of reproducing a Trition today and the likely lack of mass market for such it reason why there is no comparable. Sure there are faster, better handling and more creature comforts but as you said only "some of them are more seaworthy". The Triton can be a very nice boat. I salute anybody who takes one from a bare hull & works it up to a working cruising vessel... a very worthwhile accomplishment. I'd also suggest that goin in, they be careful & coldly realistic in assessing how much the project is going to cost; and that they be cavalier about the price once it's finished. From the Trition owners association there is an undoubted passion in maintaining that design probably more than any other than I have seen or know of. Probably the largest sailboat market is in used boats by far and of a particular size, price and age. When you look at a 20 year plus boat and what needs to be replace vs what ought to be replaced do these boats have the value of their price? Price is often a reflection of location with as much if not more than a 100% plus difference of those that are comparable. It isnt easy to determine the value of an older used boat other than what the average of the market says and in this instance every boat is special. When you figure all of the above the true market value ought to be less than what it is? Thats not to say there isnt many preceived reasonable points of view based subjectively or objectively. But any foreray into pleasure sailing can be viewed as "romantic" and or challenging and the very reasons why people do it. And if not, what could the possible reasons be? I think it is interesting that those who are offering the free triton choose a cape dory, at a cost and expense, that needs work instead. How much of that was economic based vs other considerations? Mic'67 |
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Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus
side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. Mic wrote: The plus side outweighs the other aspects from a crusing point of view as decided by the many budget cruisers that choose them. Not really... if you look at the numbers, you'll find Hunters & Catalinas in the same price bracket are more popular. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Comparable in what way? It's certainly a good looking boat, but I like the looks of the Dufour Arpege and the Aphrodite 101 and most Doug Peterson designs. It's a subjective matter. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? Thats not really a fair comparison per say when it come to practicality or useage. Sure it is. An air force equipped with Sopwith Camels would not be as formidable as one equipped with F-16s, but it's better than nothing. And I happen to know a guy who drives to work most days in a Model T... original engine too. I think it helps him get motivated to actually go to work at all. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. The practical reality, paticularly the time and cost of restoration of any boat is usually the determining factor. Now there, I disagree. Restoring a boat is usually a losing proposition in time & cost. It's a very impractical thing to to do, when there are boats already in sailable condition on the market for less money. But clearly, they're not as attractive to the restorer. ... If you see the value in the design and seek to enjoy such, in a practical manner what are the current options to a boat like this? There are a couple of worthwhile boats of the same era, and usually more than one Triton on the market. If that's the course you're determined to go, then the practical thing is to meet somebody who's already done it, sail with them, inspect their boat carefully while they tell you what they did... maybe bum a few tools from them... then shop around as carefully as possible as well as hunting thru boatyard back-lots. It's amazing how many people sieze on the first boat that comes along, and convince themselves that it's by far the best alternative, and of course they have no idea what the alternatives are or would cost so it's an easy sell. Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. Given the cost of reproducing a Trition today and the likely lack of mass market for such it reason why there is no comparable. Yep. If there was a market, somebody would probably be making Tritons. .... Sure there are faster, better handling and more creature comforts but as you said only "some of them are more seaworthy". Sturgeon's Law: "At least 90% of everything is crap." Just because it is old-fashioned, doesn't make it automatically more seaworthy. Seakindly, yes, that's a different thing. Seaworthiness is an illusive thing to define, and it tends to mean different things to different people. Frankly I tend to regard offshore racers as the most seaworthy, since they tend to sail for fun in worst conditions than most cruisers venture out in. And I have yet to see a cruising vessel equipped to ORC Cat 0. From the Trition owners association there is an undoubted passion in maintaining that design probably more than any other than I have seen or know of. You should get out more, then. Every single one-design commands slavish devotion in it's owners. Probably the largest sailboat market is in used boats by far and of a particular size, price and age. Not probably, definitely. Although this is a recent happening, the NMMA says that the total value of used boats sold is greater than new, I believe this happened in 2004 and has been true since. It isnt easy to determine the value of an older used boat other than what the average of the market says and in this instance every boat is special. That's very true. When you figure all of the above the true market value ought to be less than what it is? I think so, but then I'm a cynic. I've also only bought one boat new in my life, and felt that it wasn't worth the price either. Enought things wrong with it to get PO'd at, and no moron previous owner to blame. ... Thats not to say there isnt many preceived reasonable points of view based subjectively or objectively. But any foreray into pleasure sailing can be viewed as "romantic" and or challenging and the very reasons why people do it. And if not, what could the possible reasons be? Agreed 110%. And well said. I think it is interesting that those who are offering the free triton choose a cape dory, at a cost and expense, that needs work instead. How much of that was economic based vs other considerations? Don't know. From what I read of the web site you gave link to, it was largely economic as they found so much needed replacing on the "free" Triton and less on the Cape Dory. It may also be a matter of time, that they saw themselves getting out on the water much sooner in the Cape Dory. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:57:51 -0500, DSK wrote:
Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. Mic wrote: The plus side outweighs the other aspects from a crusing point of view as decided by the many budget cruisers that choose them. Not really... if you look at the numbers, you'll find Hunters & Catalinas in the same price bracket are more popular. Yep.... and why are they more popular? They are certainly not that many around from even at the end of the Triton era, yet even in the used market they sell realtively fast. One thing about the catalina you can get catalina parts for them and many if not all of the system drawings, possibly one reason for their popularity and of course their original selling price. From my research most of the GRP pre 1970 are bristols, tartans, tritons, cals for a particular reason. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Comparable in what way? Well overbuilt for one with little or no oil canning, full keel for that size of boat, provisions for an OB in a well It's certainly a good looking boat, but I like the looks of the Dufour Arpege and the Aphrodite 101 and most Doug Peterson designs. It's a subjective matter. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? Thats not really a fair comparison per say when it come to practicality or useage. Sure it is. An air force equipped with Sopwith Camels would not be as formidable as one equipped with F-16s, but it's better than nothing. And I happen to know a guy who drives to work most days in a Model T... original engine too. I think it helps him get motivated to actually go to work at all. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. The practical reality, paticularly the time and cost of restoration of any boat is usually the determining factor. Now there, I disagree. Restoring a boat is usually a losing proposition in time & cost. It's a very impractical thing to to do, when there are boats already in sailable condition on the market for less money. Humm... that can be said of various sports too..... like seeing a game at an arena vs FTA TV. Those who decide to restore a boat can be of similar value to actually sailing it, certainly not for all. The true currency of life is time and the value is the enjoyment of the time spent. If restoring a boat is as you say it is why do so many do it? Although there are more that dont than do. Look at Tim Lackey the surveyor and those group of Trition and Ariel owners ++. But clearly, they're not as attractive to the restorer. ... If you see the value in the design and seek to enjoy such, in a practical manner what are the current options to a boat like this? There are a couple of worthwhile boats of the same era, and usually more than one Triton on the market. If that's the course you're determined to go, then the practical thing is to meet somebody who's already done it, sail with them, inspect their boat carefully while they tell you what they did... maybe bum a few tools from them... then shop around as carefully as possible as well as hunting thru boatyard back-lots. I guess my point is that the Triton in particular is more worthy of restoration than any other of that era in my opinion and seemingly many others. It's amazing how many people sieze on the first boat that comes along, and convince themselves that it's by far the best alternative, and of course they have no idea what the alternatives are or would cost so it's an easy sell. Well yes and no for the most part many makes and brands of boats are specific to a region or particular boat centers of about less than 12 in the US and less than about 6 in Canada. For instance for a Cal 27 to become available in this region would be rare and exceptional. The alternative would be a C & C, Grampian, CS, S2. To a large degree every boat is a compromise. I think that those that buy used dont necessary end up with the make they were looking for to begin with. The cost of buying a boat from a different region in terms of cost, in many instances just doesnt make sense economically. Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. Given the cost of reproducing a Trition today and the likely lack of mass market for such it reason why there is no comparable. Yep. If there was a market, somebody would probably be making Tritons. Seems the market calls for the catalinas and hunters which seems to make boats these days almost on a per order basis, as in "just in time production" which seems to make sense. .... Sure there are faster, better handling and more creature comforts but as you said only "some of them are more seaworthy". Sturgeon's Law: "At least 90% of everything is crap." Just because it is old-fashioned, doesn't make it automatically more seaworthy. Seakindly, yes, that's a different thing. Maybe so but the tartans, bristols, tritons and contessa's given the maintance are time proven seaworthy. Seaworthiness is an illusive thing to define, and it tends to mean different things to different people. Frankly I tend to regard offshore racers as the most seaworthy, since they tend to sail for fun in worst conditions than most cruisers venture out in. And I have yet to see a cruising vessel equipped to ORC Cat 0. From the Trition owners association there is an undoubted passion in maintaining that design probably more than any other than I have seen or know of. You should get out more, then. Every single one-design commands slavish devotion in it's owners. Probably the largest sailboat market is in used boats by far and of a particular size, price and age. Not probably, definitely. Although this is a recent happening, the NMMA says that the total value of used boats sold is greater than new, I believe this happened in 2004 and has been true since. It isnt easy to determine the value of an older used boat other than what the average of the market says and in this instance every boat is special. That's very true. When you figure all of the above the true market value ought to be less than what it is? I think so, but then I'm a cynic. I've also only bought one boat new in my life, and felt that it wasn't worth the price either. Enought things wrong with it to get PO'd at, and no moron previous owner to blame. ... Thats not to say there isnt many preceived reasonable points of view based subjectively or objectively. But any foreray into pleasure sailing can be viewed as "romantic" and or challenging and the very reasons why people do it. And if not, what could the possible reasons be? Agreed 110%. And well said. I think it is interesting that those who are offering the free triton choose a cape dory, at a cost and expense, that needs work instead. How much of that was economic based vs other considerations? Don't know. From what I read of the web site you gave link to, it was largely economic as they found so much needed replacing on the "free" Triton and less on the Cape Dory. It may also be a matter of time, that they saw themselves getting out on the water much sooner in the Cape Dory. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
"Mic" wrote in message ... "FREE 1960 28' Pearson Triton PROJECT We are looking for a home for a 1960 Pearson Triton, Hull #69. I'll be honest, this is a real project boat. It is free for who ever will come haul it out of our back yard and we will throw in the 5 boatstands it is sitting on. This boat is a COMPLETE REBUILD, mostly what you would be getting is a sound hull, but it's a big job to be sure." http://blog.oldragbaggersonline.com/ Mic'67 http://www.dasein668.com/ You might be able to look past the rotting deck, but missing the mast/boom and a trashed engine? If it had a serviceable engine and the spar I don't think the current owner would be giving it away. John Cairns |
Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
Not really... if you look at the numbers, you'll find
Hunters & Catalinas in the same price bracket are more popular. Mic wrote: Yep.... and why are they more popular? They're roomier & seem more comfortable for a given size & cost, would be my guess. ... From my research most of the GRP pre 1970 are bristols, tartans, tritons, cals for a particular reason. Tartan started out as D&M, Cal started out as Jensen... back at the beginning of the fiberglass boat boat boom, lots of companies went through expansion, buy-out, re-organization, etc etc. In a lot of cases the same boat was built in the same plant under four or five different names. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Comparable in what way? Well overbuilt for one with little or no oil canning, full keel for that size of boat, provisions for an OB in a well Lots of moderns boats are built structurally superior to 1960s fiberglass, there are better engineering & materials available. Others are of course built cheap. It's like anything else, the more you know about it, the easier it is to tell what's really good. As for full keels, IMHO they are over rated. Heavy & slow with no real advantage... If you want a protected rudder, youo can have that without a full keel, if you want a boat that can go aground without damage you can have that too (in fact I'd prefer both, along with a boat that can be left aground thru a tide without falling on it's side). Outboard wells suck. I would not have one on a boat, it's the worst of both worlds. But that's just from my experience with several boats that had them. The *one* thing that is good about outboard wells is that it preserves the classic look of a counter stern. Those who decide to restore a boat can be of similar value to actually sailing it, certainly not for all. The true currency of life is time and the value is the enjoyment of the time spent. Agreed. ... If restoring a boat is as you say it is why do so many do it? Because they enjoy it for it's own sake? Because their dream revolves not only around sailing a boat but sailing a *certain* boat which looks a certain way and is equipped a certain way? Why do so many people build boats from scratch? I guess my point is that the Triton in particular is more worthy of restoration than any other of that era in my opinion and seemingly many others. Like I said, it's a pretty boat. And they probably have about the best mix of features available in that era. FWIW my grandfather hated the early fiberglass production boats, definitely including the Triton, and thought they were ugly botched copies of classic designs. It's amazing how many people sieze on the first boat that comes along, and convince themselves that it's by far the best alternative, and of course they have no idea what the alternatives are or would cost so it's an easy sell. Well yes and no for the most part many makes and brands of boats are specific to a region or particular boat centers of about less than 12 in the US and less than about 6 in Canada. For instance for a Cal 27 to become available in this region would be rare and exceptional. The alternative would be a C & C, Grampian, CS, S2. True. There is a big difference in regional tastes and boats that are considered desirable in some areas will be considered a freak in others. This tendency seems to be holding it's own in this mass-media era, maybe we should cheer? ..To a large degree every boat is a compromise. Boy is it ever! ... I think that those that buy used dont necessary end up with the make they were looking for to begin with. The cost of buying a boat from a different region in terms of cost, in many instances just doesnt make sense economically. heh heh buying a boat *never* makes sense economically! Maybe so but the tartans, bristols, tritons and contessa's given the maintance are time proven seaworthy. Sorry, but that's bull****. In one way, you seem to have gotten wrapped up in the mystique of the "seaworthingess" of old-time heavy boats, and also to some extent with making assumptions about brand names. What makes a boat seaworthy is not the brand name. To some extent, certain design characteristics make a boat more seaworthy (such has a high LPOS) but OTOH a boat with weak hatches, bad electrical system, rigging that is difficult to work, rudder prone to getting jammed or broken, etc etc, is necessarily less seaworthy than a Huntalina clorox-bottle boat with a much lower LPOS and much less seakindly... and the largest factor, by far, in the seaworthiness of any boat, is the knowledge and skill of the skipper. And this is one of my favorite points about seaworthiness... no boat designer or builder in all history can make a boat that is so seaworthy as to totally negate the risk in a storm of getting konked in the head by a flying soup can. OK getting off my soapbox now... please don't get the idea that I'm trying to discourage you from undertaking restoration of a Triton, but just trying to give you some realistic ideas. And remember that every job on a boat costs at least twice as much as you think it will, so go in with your eyes open. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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A lot of opinion here.
One of mine is that sailboat design went to hell when the focus became "how many people can we jam inside the boat" instead of sheer, sweep, overhangs, and how the boat moves through, instead of bouncing around on top of, the water. I have a 41' boat that will sleep 7. Do I know 6 other people I like enough to subject myself to this exercise in masochism? Not only no, but hell no. Another of my "opinions", contrary to some other peoples "opinions", is that coring hulls is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of. If you haven't run into something, you will, kinda like running aground for anyone that sails in skinny water. Unless, of course the boat is welded to the pier ;) Another used to be that blisters don't sink boats. Then I saw some proud owners of a Hunter Chenurubi sanding their hull. At one point (below the waterline) they actually were through the glass and into the core! There's been a lot of discussion about scrapping boats with core rot in the decks, how about core rot in the hull? Few understand that the reason light weight core material is used now is not because it's stronger than fiberglass or plywood, it's because it's cheaper for the manufacturers'. People like to point at the top end of the go fast boats and say "look how strong", these boats are built for a race or a series of races and some don't last that long. To me this is like new construction methods used in houses today, I doubt many of these houses last as long as the mortgages! In my 25 years in and on the water, I've never heard anyone say "Oh, look at that beautiful 1999 Hunter 27!". And another, and another, and another... We we get right down to it, some of us prefer old boats and some perfer new boats and I'm not willing to change. I like boats that can survive a game of "chicken"! That's my rant. MMC "DSK" wrote in message ... Not really... if you look at the numbers, you'll find Hunters & Catalinas in the same price bracket are more popular. Mic wrote: Yep.... and why are they more popular? They're roomier & seem more comfortable for a given size & cost, would be my guess. ... From my research most of the GRP pre 1970 are bristols, tartans, tritons, cals for a particular reason. Tartan started out as D&M, Cal started out as Jensen... back at the beginning of the fiberglass boat boat boom, lots of companies went through expansion, buy-out, re-organization, etc etc. In a lot of cases the same boat was built in the same plant under four or five different names. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Comparable in what way? Well overbuilt for one with little or no oil canning, full keel for that size of boat, provisions for an OB in a well Lots of moderns boats are built structurally superior to 1960s fiberglass, there are better engineering & materials available. Others are of course built cheap. It's like anything else, the more you know about it, the easier it is to tell what's really good. As for full keels, IMHO they are over rated. Heavy & slow with no real advantage... If you want a protected rudder, youo can have that without a full keel, if you want a boat that can go aground without damage you can have that too (in fact I'd prefer both, along with a boat that can be left aground thru a tide without falling on it's side). Outboard wells suck. I would not have one on a boat, it's the worst of both worlds. But that's just from my experience with several boats that had them. The *one* thing that is good about outboard wells is that it preserves the classic look of a counter stern. Those who decide to restore a boat can be of similar value to actually sailing it, certainly not for all. The true currency of life is time and the value is the enjoyment of the time spent. Agreed. ... If restoring a boat is as you say it is why do so many do it? Because they enjoy it for it's own sake? Because their dream revolves not only around sailing a boat but sailing a *certain* boat which looks a certain way and is equipped a certain way? Why do so many people build boats from scratch? I guess my point is that the Triton in particular is more worthy of restoration than any other of that era in my opinion and seemingly many others. Like I said, it's a pretty boat. And they probably have about the best mix of features available in that era. FWIW my grandfather hated the early fiberglass production boats, definitely including the Triton, and thought they were ugly botched copies of classic designs. It's amazing how many people sieze on the first boat that comes along, and convince themselves that it's by far the best alternative, and of course they have no idea what the alternatives are or would cost so it's an easy sell. Well yes and no for the most part many makes and brands of boats are specific to a region or particular boat centers of about less than 12 in the US and less than about 6 in Canada. For instance for a Cal 27 to become available in this region would be rare and exceptional. The alternative would be a C & C, Grampian, CS, S2. True. There is a big difference in regional tastes and boats that are considered desirable in some areas will be considered a freak in others. This tendency seems to be holding it's own in this mass-media era, maybe we should cheer? ..To a large degree every boat is a compromise. Boy is it ever! ... I think that those that buy used dont necessary end up with the make they were looking for to begin with. The cost of buying a boat from a different region in terms of cost, in many instances just doesnt make sense economically. heh heh buying a boat *never* makes sense economically! Maybe so but the tartans, bristols, tritons and contessa's given the maintance are time proven seaworthy. Sorry, but that's bull****. In one way, you seem to have gotten wrapped up in the mystique of the "seaworthingess" of old-time heavy boats, and also to some extent with making assumptions about brand names. What makes a boat seaworthy is not the brand name. To some extent, certain design characteristics make a boat more seaworthy (such has a high LPOS) but OTOH a boat with weak hatches, bad electrical system, rigging that is difficult to work, rudder prone to getting jammed or broken, etc etc, is necessarily less seaworthy than a Huntalina clorox-bottle boat with a much lower LPOS and much less seakindly... and the largest factor, by far, in the seaworthiness of any boat, is the knowledge and skill of the skipper. And this is one of my favorite points about seaworthiness... no boat designer or builder in all history can make a boat that is so seaworthy as to totally negate the risk in a storm of getting konked in the head by a flying soup can. OK getting off my soapbox now... please don't get the idea that I'm trying to discourage you from undertaking restoration of a Triton, but just trying to give you some realistic ideas. And remember that every job on a boat costs at least twice as much as you think it will, so go in with your eyes open. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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: We we get right down to it, some of us prefer old boats and some perfer new boats and I'm not willing to change. I like boats that can survive a game of "chicken"! That's my rant. MMC I took a Brunswick bowling pin that spent 20 years in a Brunswick bowling pinsetter to a boat show. There was some bigshot Brunswick suit all decked out, looking far out of place, on the dock. I handed him my bowling pin and asked, "Why can't a company that can product this pin that looks almost new after 20 years of being beaten to hell every night, make a boat that isn't destroyed when it bumps into a dock, like an eggshell?" The look on his face?--------PRICELESS....(C; Well worth the price of admission to the dog and pony show.... Don't forget....When you go to a big boatshow, always come in the clothes you mow the lawn in. After my friend Dan sold his Hatteras 56 FBMY, he wanted a small boat for fooling around the harbor. I told him to wear the lawn mowing clothes. He did to humor me. We got a Grady White with a 150 Yamaha from a nice young man who was the only boat shoe on the floor who'd give us the time of day. It was only around $32K, nicely decked out. "Check OK?", I asked. About that time some wheel showed up to try to steal the commission away from him, but I informed him we'd deal with noone but this kid...who was in, at that moment, shock. Total sale time, nearly 2 minutes! Nice kid. I've seen him at the dealership a few times since and he still remembers to be nice to guys in blue jeans and an old t-shirt with dirty sneakers..(c; |
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"MMC" wrote: In my 25 years in and on the water, I've never heard anyone say "Oh, look at that beautiful 1999 Hunter 27!". Maybe not, but we lusted after a 34 Cherubini design -- until our friend's needed major work after about 15 years. I won't sail the newer Hunters even on a charter. We we get right down to it, some of us prefer old boats and some perfer new boats and I'm not willing to change. I like boats that can survive a game of "chicken"! That's my rant. I'd prefer a newer boat that I can play "chicken" with, but there are damned few. In the meantime, we're sticking with Xan, whose sisters have documented astounding survivor stories. BUT, I've been impressed by how well the Bendy-toys stand up to charter traffic. They're not as solid as Xan, but they consistently prove themselves to be up to extreme charter misuse while being relatively cheap to keep. And they're fairly fast. I don't want the stability of a full keel, and want speed to get out of harms way. Any boat that stands up to the bonehead tricks I've seen on charter gets my respect. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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