durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Oblique observation:
Ripped out the old diesel genset--noisy, smoky, hull-rattling--and installed
a 1500 watt inverter to handle the small 110 loads. For emergency charging,
we stow a Honda eu2000 gasoline generator in a plastic tote-box on the
fantail. Where am I going with this? When we bought the Honda generator, I
looked long and thoughtfully at some Honda PUMPS I didn't know were even on
the market. Very tempting, but we resisted. The Honda generator is
amazing; quick start, very quiet, and apparently bombproof dependable. I'd
expect their pumps to be the same. Might at least look at them.
Cheers,
Dick B.

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Courtney

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a plywood board (found under your seat pillows, some cloth (sometimes
found in a t-shirt), a tube of 5200 (at home depot, not at Worst
Marine), and a clear mind will patch anything that a pump could ever
fix.

Now, gasoling for a good beach BBQ might get me going!

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Courtney Thomas wrote:

Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney


What are you cruising in, a Chicago class CG?

DSK

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:40:37 GMT, Courtney Thomas
wrote:

Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney

Are you planning on pumping gasoline or water? If gasoline, you need
very specialized equipment to prevent sparking, static build up, and
vapor accumulation.

If water, an ordinary bilge pump should do just fine.

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
If water, an ordinary bilge pump should do just fine.


Actually, when boats do sink it is often because their
pumping capacity can't keep up with the new hole long
enough for the crew to find and plug it. I've read
several stories of cruising boats sinking that started
with an unknown thump etc. and the floorboards were
quickly awash while the crew searched for the problem.

Having watched a 5HP waste pump empty a flooded basement
in just over an hour (was working on a basement crew,
and the hole we were to work in had flooded to the top
due to an overnight thunderstorm) I've been impressed
by the sight of a 3" hose running at full capacity under
the influence of that little gasoline powered pump.

Sure would be nice to have a big pump like that in the
engine space slaved to that nice big diesel propulsion
motor.

I read somewhere about some german engineer who had his
cruising boat rigged with two of them.

Don W.

Don W.

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In article . net,
Courtney Thomas wrote:

Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney

Just about every North Pacific Fishing Vessel has a nice little, or maybe
not so little, HONDA Trash Pump aboard, with appropriate suction hoses,
strainers, and discharge hoses. It is considered REQUIRED Equipment by
most skippers. Can be used to keep the water in the fish hold
circulating, as well as keeping the water in the bildge from going over
the top of the engine.

Me

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:10:32 GMT, Don W
wrote:

Having watched a 5HP waste pump empty a flooded basement
in just over an hour (was working on a basement crew,
and the hole we were to work in had flooded to the top
due to an overnight thunderstorm) I've been impressed
by the sight of a 3" hose running at full capacity under
the influence of that little gasoline powered pump.

Have you seen this:

http://www.starmarinedepot.com/Rule+...bmersible.html

Assuming you have an adequate battery bank, it is probably quicker to
activate and more reliable than a gas driven pump. I understand that
some of the rescue outfits are carrying them aboard for emergency
pumping situations.

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Don W wrote:


Wayne.B wrote:

If water, an ordinary bilge pump should do just fine.


Actually, when boats do sink it is often because their
pumping capacity can't keep up with the new hole long
enough for the crew to find and plug it. I've read
several stories of cruising boats sinking that started
with an unknown thump etc. and the floorboards were
quickly awash while the crew searched for the problem.

Having watched a 5HP waste pump empty a flooded basement
in just over an hour (was working on a basement crew,
and the hole we were to work in had flooded to the top
due to an overnight thunderstorm) I've been impressed
by the sight of a 3" hose running at full capacity under
the influence of that little gasoline powered pump.

Sure would be nice to have a big pump like that in the
engine space slaved to that nice big diesel propulsion
motor.

I read somewhere about some german engineer who had his
cruising boat rigged with two of them.

Don W.

Don W.


I am in construction and have spent a lot of time over the years trying
to get recalcitrant one cylinder motors to start, whether they be on a
trash pump, a chain saw, a compressor or the like. I have also read a
lot of stories about Coast guard pumps not starting after they are
dropped on board.

This past November I was onboard a boat that hit a ledge in Woods Hole,
MA and I can tell you it is sobering to see how ineffectual standard
bilge pumps are.

The TowBoat US boat that eventually took over from the Coasties put a
pair of these on board:
http://www.starmarinedepot.com/detai...duct_id=RU1416

I had never seen one before, but plan to buy one. I think the odds of it
starting when/if needed are much better than a small gas engine pump.



My .02

Jonathan


I am building my daughter an Argie 10 sailing dinghy, check it out:
http://home.comcast.net/~jonsailr

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Me wrote:
In article . net,
Courtney Thomas wrote:


Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney


Just about every North Pacific Fishing Vessel has a nice little, or maybe
not so little, HONDA Trash Pump aboard, with appropriate suction hoses,
strainers, and discharge hoses. It is considered REQUIRED Equipment by
most skippers. Can be used to keep the water in the fish hold
circulating, as well as keeping the water in the bildge from going over
the top of the engine.

Me

Is it gas or electric ?

If electric do they run 'em from Honda generators too ?

Interesting. Thank you.

Courtney

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

R.W. Behan wrote:
Oblique observation:
Ripped out the old diesel genset--noisy, smoky, hull-rattling--and installed
a 1500 watt inverter to handle the small 110 loads. For emergency charging,
we stow a Honda eu2000 gasoline generator in a plastic tote-box on the
fantail. Where am I going with this? When we bought the Honda generator, I
looked long and thoughtfully at some Honda PUMPS I didn't know were even on
the market. Very tempting, but we resisted. The Honda generator is
amazing; quick start, very quiet, and apparently bombproof dependable. I'd
expect their pumps to be the same. Might at least look at them.
Cheers,
Dick B.

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
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Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney



Thanks Dick.

I too have an inverter and Honda generator but didn't know Honda made a
pump. If you learn more, I'd be pleased to hear what you decide.

Cordially,

Courtney

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

In article et,
Courtney Thomas wrote:

Me wrote:
In article . net,
Courtney Thomas wrote:


Observations/experience in this regard sought and appreciated.

Courtney


Just about every North Pacific Fishing Vessel has a nice little, or maybe
not so little, HONDA Trash Pump aboard, with appropriate suction hoses,
strainers, and discharge hoses. It is considered REQUIRED Equipment by
most skippers. Can be used to keep the water in the fish hold
circulating, as well as keeping the water in the bildge from going over
the top of the engine.

Me

Is it gas or electric ?

If electric do they run 'em from Honda generators too ?

Interesting. Thank you.

Courtney


Honda Trash Pumps are Gasoline Powered.....if you need it to pump out
the bildge....how long do you think the batteries will be above the
water level......and most prudent skippers service their Trash Pumps
regularly, just to make sure they will start and run in needed in
a High water situation......


Me

durable/reliable gasoline pump for emergency bailing ?
 

Don W wrote:
Actually, when boats do sink it is often because their
pumping capacity can't keep up with the new hole long
enough for the crew to find and plug it.

True, but more often it's because of one or more of the
following

1- pump was plenty big enough, but crew wasn't paying
attention or even within miles of boat at time of sinking...
ask your insurance company, most boats that sink do so at
the dock!

2- pump *would* have been plenty big enough to cope with
leak but was clogged or inoperable due to some other problem
which should have been easily correctable under normal
circumstances.


Having watched a 5HP waste pump empty a flooded basement
in just over an hour (was working on a basement crew,
and the hole we were to work in had flooded to the top
due to an overnight thunderstorm) I've been impressed
by the sight of a 3" hose running at full capacity under
the influence of that little gasoline powered pump.


Yep.

And having bossed US Navy damage control parties, watching 5
guys struggle to lug one of those things into action and
then cuss & fume over getting it started, I am very hesitant
to say that they are reliable boat-savers.



Sure would be nice to have a big pump like that in the
engine space slaved to that nice big diesel propulsion
motor.


Yep, except that anything that kills the engine also kills
the pump... and thus the boat. Besides, your engine already
has a relatively high capacity pump hooked up to it. All you
need do is pipe a Y-valve to a big thrum box in the bilge.


Jonathan W. wrote:
I am in construction and have spent a lot of time over the years trying
to get recalcitrant one cylinder motors to start, whether they be on a
trash pump, a chain saw, a compressor or the like. I have also read a
lot of stories about Coast guard pumps not starting after they are
dropped on board.


Been there, done that.

This past November I was onboard a boat that hit a ledge in Woods Hole,
MA and I can tell you it is sobering to see how ineffectual standard
bilge pumps are.


A lot of that is due to the piping and/or wiring. If the
bilge pump does not have a large relatively straight run
overboard, then it's certain to be less effective. And most
bilge pumps are undersized to be useful in emergencies... no
rule against adding a big hi-capacity emergency pump
(properly wired & plumbed of course).

The TowBoat US boat that eventually took over from the Coasties put a
pair of these on board:
http://www.starmarinedepot.com/detai...duct_id=RU1416

I had never seen one before, but plan to buy one. I think the odds of it
starting when/if needed are much better than a small gas engine pump.


Yes and yes. Thanks for the link. Don't forget a big hand
pump too.

Right about now is the time for somebody to chime in with
"there is no bilge pump of greater capacity than a scared
sailor with a bucket" which is hooey. If you doubt me, fill
up a 5 gallon bucket in your bath tub, then lift & carry it
a few steps to your bathroom sink. Repeat for 20 minutes and
report back to the group how many gallons you moved.

Actually, this gives me a great idea for a new exercise
video... "Bailer-cise! It's a whole-body workout!"

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote in news:ZG8Ef.10502$fZ2.4409
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

And having bossed US Navy damage control parties, watching 5
guys struggle to lug one of those things into action and
then cuss & fume over getting it started, I am very hesitant
to say that they are reliable boat-savers.


Ah, the highly-reliable "Handy Billy", powered with the Scott-A****er 2-
stroke engine who won the lowest bidder contract....noone could quite get
to start.

If you hang around a Handy Billy, you'll find some new cusswords you don't
hear, even in the enlisted head!