engine question
 

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat. It is in
good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement? How much do the diesels
cost? How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also get
replaced?

Any other info???


Thanks,,, Tom

engine question
 

Tom, have you considered keeping the Atomic 4? Even if it can't be rebuilt,
it may make more sense to replace it with a working Atomic 4 than with a
diesel.

Safety is an issue that can and must be addressed in using gasoline, but
economically, a conversion to diesel will never make sense. As evidence of
this, compare the estimates of conversion cost to the cost of boats similar
to yours in size, age, and quality that already have diesels. You may find
it cheaper to buy a used boat with a diesel engine than to convert yours.
This will surely ignite some contrary opinions.

Good luck.

Chuck



Thomas Wentworth wrote:

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat. It is in
good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement? How much do the diesels
cost? How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also
get replaced?

Any other info???


Thanks,,, Tom

engine question
 

Thomas Wentworth wrote:
A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat.

You mean, for free?

... It is in good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.


I bet there's a lot of other stuff it "needs," too. But an
engine could well be the biggest single item.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement?

There's a drop-in diesel replacement for the Atomic 4, IIRC
it's called a Beta. Fits in exactly the same; but you also
need to put in a new fuel tank & piping.


... How much do the diesels
cost?

More than the boat.

... How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also
get replaced?


Shaft & prop, no. Pretty much everything else, yes.


ck wrote:
Tom, have you considered keeping the Atomic 4? Even if it can't be rebuilt,
it may make more sense to replace it with a working Atomic 4 than with a
diesel.


Depends on how bad you want to use the boat.

Safety is an issue that can and must be addressed in using gasoline, but
economically, a conversion to diesel will never make sense.

It makes good sense *if* you plan to use the boat for a long
enough time to amortize the diesel. Simply dropping in a
diesel will not raise the market value of the boat to cover
the cost of the new diesel engine, agreed. But then, that's
true of every kind of upgrade for the boat, especially
electronics... and people go hog-wild over all that stuff.



.... As evidence of
this, compare the estimates of conversion cost to the cost of boats similar
to yours in size, age, and quality that already have diesels. You may find
it cheaper to buy a used boat with a diesel engine than to convert yours.

Possibly so, unless he is getting the Vanguard as a gift.


This will surely ignite some contrary opinions.


Was this one contrary enough for ya?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

engine question
 

DSK wrote:
Thomas Wentworth wrote:

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat.


You mean, for free?

... It is in good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.


I bet there's a lot of other stuff it "needs," too. But an engine could
well be the biggest single item.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement?


There's a drop-in diesel replacement for the Atomic 4, IIRC it's called
a Beta. Fits in exactly the same; but you also need to put in a new fuel
tank & piping.


... How much do the diesels
cost?


More than the boat.

... How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also
get replaced?


Shaft & prop, no. Pretty much everything else, yes.


ck wrote:

Tom, have you considered keeping the Atomic 4? Even if it can't be
rebuilt,
it may make more sense to replace it with a working Atomic 4 than with a
diesel.


Depends on how bad you want to use the boat.

Safety is an issue that can and must be addressed in using gasoline, but
economically, a conversion to diesel will never make sense.


It makes good sense *if* you plan to use the boat for a long enough time
to amortize the diesel. Simply dropping in a diesel will not raise the
market value of the boat to cover the cost of the new diesel engine,
agreed. But then, that's true of every kind of upgrade for the boat,
especially electronics... and people go hog-wild over all that stuff.



.... As evidence of
this, compare the estimates of conversion cost to the cost of boats
similar
to yours in size, age, and quality that already have diesels. You may
find
it cheaper to buy a used boat with a diesel engine than to convert yours.


Possibly so, unless he is getting the Vanguard as a gift.


This will surely ignite some contrary opinions.


Was this one contrary enough for ya?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Lots of folks with old boats rip out the Atomics and replace them with
outboards. It gives back some stowage and is a cheap alternative if you
like to sail. Of course if you are a motor cruiser or you intend to
venture away from the coast the outboard option is less feasible. If
it's a free boat in good shape, I'd check out the various options. It
is a classic boat.

engine question
 

Before doing anything It would be nice to tally the cost of refurbishing the
Atomic 4 Vs replacing it with a new 3 cylinder's diesel.
The big question is how much would your boat sells for on today's market.
The cost of installing a new diesel will not be recoupable when you sell
your boat.
By having a new diesel installed you will gain satisfaction and
dependability. Conversely rebuilding the Atomic 4 may well suit your sailing
needs.
Here the approximate cost of replacing the A4 with a 3 cylinder's diesel:
Diesel engine = $7000.00, shaft = $200.00, propeller $350.00, fuel tank
$200.00? plus re-bedding to suit the new engine , shaft and alignment many
more imponderables plus labor. Not to mention that you may have to replace
the strut.
I estimate that by the time you are finished you will have spent around
$7800.00 without the cost of labor. In some case $10000.00 is not
uncommon.
The later figure is very conservative. You can easily exceed that amount.
Depending on your purchasing power, the cost of labor and the amount of work
require to fit a new engine. I do not know your boat but in certain type
they had to use a shoe horn to installed a new engine.
On the other hand rebuilding the A4 may cost you much less money and
aggravation.
The saying that diesel will outlast a gas engine is questionable. We see
many old A4 around and working well.



"DSK" wrote in message
...
Thomas Wentworth wrote:
A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat.

You mean, for free?

... It is in good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.


I bet there's a lot of other stuff it "needs," too. But an
engine could well be the biggest single item.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement?

There's a drop-in diesel replacement for the Atomic 4, IIRC
it's called a Beta. Fits in exactly the same; but you also
need to put in a new fuel tank & piping.


... How much do the diesels
cost?

More than the boat.

... How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also
get replaced?


Shaft & prop, no. Pretty much everything else, yes.


ck wrote:
Tom, have you considered keeping the Atomic 4? Even if it can't be
rebuilt,
it may make more sense to replace it with a working Atomic 4 than with a
diesel.


Depends on how bad you want to use the boat.

Safety is an issue that can and must be addressed in using gasoline, but
economically, a conversion to diesel will never make sense.

It makes good sense *if* you plan to use the boat for a long
enough time to amortize the diesel. Simply dropping in a
diesel will not raise the market value of the boat to cover
the cost of the new diesel engine, agreed. But then, that's
true of every kind of upgrade for the boat, especially
electronics... and people go hog-wild over all that stuff.



.... As evidence of
this, compare the estimates of conversion cost to the cost of boats
similar
to yours in size, age, and quality that already have diesels. You may
find
it cheaper to buy a used boat with a diesel engine than to convert
yours.

Possibly so, unless he is getting the Vanguard as a gift.


This will surely ignite some contrary opinions.


Was this one contrary enough for ya?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

engine question
 

I've certainly seen quotes of $8-10K for engine replacements, and yet
my two closest cruising friends each did it for under $5K. One was
slightly used Perkins swap for under $4k, most of the labor done by
the owners. The other was a Yanmar 3GM-3YM where the engine was
about $4K and labor about $1K. Neither included shaft or tranny.

I have no doubt that if you give a boat to a fancy yard and tell them
to give it back with a new engine, it could cost $10K.

Denis Marier wrote:
Before doing anything It would be nice to tally the cost of refurbishing the
Atomic 4 Vs replacing it with a new 3 cylinder's diesel.
The big question is how much would your boat sells for on today's market.
The cost of installing a new diesel will not be recoupable when you sell
your boat.
By having a new diesel installed you will gain satisfaction and
dependability. Conversely rebuilding the Atomic 4 may well suit your sailing
needs.
Here the approximate cost of replacing the A4 with a 3 cylinder's diesel:
Diesel engine = $7000.00, shaft = $200.00, propeller $350.00, fuel tank
$200.00? plus re-bedding to suit the new engine , shaft and alignment many
more imponderables plus labor. Not to mention that you may have to replace
the strut.
I estimate that by the time you are finished you will have spent around
$7800.00 without the cost of labor. In some case $10000.00 is not
uncommon.
The later figure is very conservative. You can easily exceed that amount.
Depending on your purchasing power, the cost of labor and the amount of work
require to fit a new engine. I do not know your boat but in certain type
they had to use a shoe horn to installed a new engine.
On the other hand rebuilding the A4 may cost you much less money and
aggravation.
The saying that diesel will outlast a gas engine is questionable. We see
many old A4 around and working well.



"DSK" wrote in message
...

Thomas Wentworth wrote:

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat.

You mean, for free?


... It is in good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.


I bet there's a lot of other stuff it "needs," too. But an
engine could well be the biggest single item.


What diesel engine would be the best replacement?

There's a drop-in diesel replacement for the Atomic 4, IIRC
it's called a Beta. Fits in exactly the same; but you also
need to put in a new fuel tank & piping.



... How much do the diesels
cost?

More than the boat.


... How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also
get replaced?


Shaft & prop, no. Pretty much everything else, yes.


ck wrote:

Tom, have you considered keeping the Atomic 4? Even if it can't be

rebuilt,

it may make more sense to replace it with a working Atomic 4 than with a
diesel.


Depends on how bad you want to use the boat.


Safety is an issue that can and must be addressed in using gasoline, but
economically, a conversion to diesel will never make sense.

It makes good sense *if* you plan to use the boat for a long
enough time to amortize the diesel. Simply dropping in a
diesel will not raise the market value of the boat to cover
the cost of the new diesel engine, agreed. But then, that's
true of every kind of upgrade for the boat, especially
electronics... and people go hog-wild over all that stuff.




.... As evidence of
this, compare the estimates of conversion cost to the cost of boats

similar

to yours in size, age, and quality that already have diesels. You may

find

it cheaper to buy a used boat with a diesel engine than to convert

yours.

Possibly so, unless he is getting the Vanguard as a gift.



This will surely ignite some contrary opinions.


Was this one contrary enough for ya?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

engine question
 

Lots of folks with old boats rip out the Atomics and replace them with
outboards. It gives back some stowage and is a cheap alternative if you
like to sail. Of course if you are a motor cruiser or you intend to
venture away from the coast the outboard option is less feasible. If
it's a free boat in good shape, I'd check out the various options. It
is a classic boat.

Yes, lots of people do this. Why not?

The boat is now 4 feet longer. That will cost you about $450 a year
more. EVERY YEAR. It may require a longer slip.

The boats designed as outboard models are quite different from the
inboard models. The outboard model that was designed so that the
outboard controls are accessable. They are not accessable on an
outboard bracket.

I watch people going out all the time who have no control of their
outboard. An accident waiting to happen.

Starting the engine on a bracket is a pain, the engine can get dunked in
a swell. A Vangard, with the overhang, just makes this aspect worse.

Is the transom strong enough for a bracket? You can't just bold a
bracket on any transom. Even though you see many done this way.

No, you can't "rip out the inboard and replace it with an outboard."
Even though there are many examples.

engine question
 

Thomas Wentworth wrote:

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat. It is in
good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement? How much do the diesels
cost? How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also get
replaced?

Any other info???


Thanks,,, Tom



Rebuild it.

Terry K

engine question
 

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:52:38 GMT, Jim wrote:

Is the transom strong enough for a bracket? You can't just bold a
bracket on any transom. Even though you see many done this way.

==========================

The transom on a Vanguard is darn near bullet proof, as is the rest of
the boat. If you are getting a really good deal (near free), and
everything else is in good condition, and you intend to keep it for
awhile, repowering might make sense. It will be far cheaper to put in
a rebuilt A4 but the diesel is a better long term choice. Repowering
with a new diesel, fuel tank replacement, new controls and guages will
probably run somewhere north of $12K. Rebuilt A4, might be less than
$3K.

engine question
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:52:38 GMT, Jim wrote:


Is the transom strong enough for a bracket? You can't just bold a
bracket on any transom. Even though you see many done this way.


==========================

The transom on a Vanguard is darn near bullet proof, as is the rest of
the boat. If you are getting a really good deal (near free), and
everything else is in good condition, and you intend to keep it for
awhile, repowering might make sense. It will be far cheaper to put in
a rebuilt A4 but the diesel is a better long term choice. Repowering
with a new diesel, fuel tank replacement, new controls and guages will
probably run somewhere north of $12K. Rebuilt A4, might be less than
$3K.

If it's free, take without even worrying about the engine. Sail it and
tow it with the dinghy. Anything beats watching from the shore.

Gaz

engine question
 

Again, I'd recco rebuilding the A4 but you really can repower with a
diesel for less than 6K. I just looked on TADiesel web site and they
have a used 24 hp (Perkins I think) for $3950 guaranteed to work. It
has a new control panel too.
I repowered my 28' S2 going from a 6.5 hp Yanmar to a 13 hp Yanmar with
no problems. I also thought it'd be a drop in replacement but it
wasn't. I had top cut down the engine stringers but othetr than that
it went well and wasn't too hard.

engine question
 

Gary wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:52:38 GMT, Jim wrote:


Is the transom strong enough for a bracket? You can't just bold a
bracket on any transom. Even though you see many done this way.



==========================

The transom on a Vanguard is darn near bullet proof, as is the rest of
the boat. If you are getting a really good deal (near free), and
everything else is in good condition, and you intend to keep it for
awhile, repowering might make sense. It will be far cheaper to put in
a rebuilt A4 but the diesel is a better long term choice. Repowering
with a new diesel, fuel tank replacement, new controls and guages will
probably run somewhere north of $12K. Rebuilt A4, might be less than
$3K.

If it's free, take without even worrying about the engine. Sail it and
tow it with the dinghy. Anything beats watching from the shore.

Gaz

The best advice yet.

engine question
 

In article %lWpf.4332$u36.1397@trndny01,
"Thomas Wentworth" wrote:

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat. It is
in good shape. But, it needs a new engine. It has the original
Atomic 4 gas.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement? How much do the
diesels cost? How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a
1968 year sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel
tank etc also get replaced?

Any other info???

We repowered a decade ago and couldn't be happier, but if I were in your
position, I'd get a rebuilt A4 and probably upgrade the alternator and
prop.

You're looking at replacing just about everything from the starting
battery through fuel system, filters, engine beds, shaft, prop and a
host of little things.

If you're handy, you can do it yourself probably, but that's time you
could be sailing. You already have enough to do to get it ready for this
season.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

engine question
 

A precision rebuilt Atomic4 will cost approximately $3500-$4500
depending on peripheral 'upgrades' such as fresh water cooling,
electronic ignition, PCV, external oil filtration, etc. But will
require no new engine beds, no new propshaft and prop, no new fuel
tank, no new engine control panel and no new fuel delivery system.

A diesel replacement will cost in the neighborhood of $11000-$14000 but
requires engine bed. prop/shaft modification, etc. that may further
increase the total cost. A diesel will not increase the value of the
boat when it comes to sale of the boat in future.

Obviously a rebuilt Atomic 4 is a direct replacment. An Atomic-4 is a
very SMOOTH running 4 cylinder engine and doesnt require 'soft' motor
mounts as does a diesel.

A precision rebuilt Atomic-4 (need to 'swap' the old block for new) can
be obtained from www.moyermarine.com. Don Moyer is perceived as the
'worlds 'guru'' of Atomic -4s. You can purchase (with swap) a long
block or short block or a complete engine - depends on your ability to
'turn a wrench'. / mechanical ability.

engine question
 

"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:%lWpf.4332$u36.1397@trndny01...
A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat. It is in
good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement? How much do the diesels
cost? How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also
get
replaced?

Any other info???


Thanks,,, Tom




http://www.geocities.com/atomfour/A4Parts.txt

http://www.boatus.com/goodoldboat/atomic4.htm

http://storm.prohosting.com/yankee30...ing_frolic.htm

http://www.pearsonvanguard.homestead...es/atomic4.htm

http://www.blacktelephone.com/surprise/atomic4.html

http://www.westerbeke.com/products/d...ail.cfm?eng=19

Check'm out.

Capt. Bill

engine question
 

Jim wrote:



Lots of folks with old boats rip out the Atomics and replace them with
outboards. It gives back some stowage and is a cheap alternative if you
like to sail. Of course if you are a motor cruiser or you intend to
venture away from the coast the outboard option is less feasible. If
it's a free boat in good shape, I'd check out the various options. It
is a classic boat.

Yes, lots of people do this. Why not?

The boat is now 4 feet longer. That will cost you about $450 a year
more. EVERY YEAR. It may require a longer slip.

The boats designed as outboard models are quite different from the
inboard models. The outboard model that was designed so that the
outboard controls are accessable. They are not accessable on an
outboard bracket.

I watch people going out all the time who have no control of their
outboard. An accident waiting to happen.

Starting the engine on a bracket is a pain, the engine can get dunked in
a swell. A Vangard, with the overhang, just makes this aspect worse.

Is the transom strong enough for a bracket? You can't just bold a
bracket on any transom. Even though you see many done this way.

No, you can't "rip out the inboard and replace it with an outboard."
Even though there are many examples.
I think installing an outboard in place of an inboard engine lowers the
value of the boat. A comment from a friend was "outboards are either out
of the water or under when you really need them". Check around on prices
and as I said in an earlier reply a friend found a Tohatsu diesel new for
$4500 and did the install himself so the total cost was under $5000. If
you pay to get it done it will probably cost you closer to $10k.
--
Bill Boyher

engine question
 

engine question
 

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:15:55 -0500, DSK wrote:

It makes good sense *if* you plan to use the boat for a long
enough time to amortize the diesel.

I'm in a similar sort of situation, but with a functioning A-4. Try as
I might, I really can't see a way to amortize the diesel replacement
unless one is covering a lot of distance under power. At about C$10K
for a diesel replacement I would have to save something like C$1K on
fuel each year to pay it off in 15 or 20 years. I didn't get up close
to spending that much on gas this year, even though I lived on the
boat for 3 1/2 months straddling the Katrina spike and spent most of
it on the move.

The only way I could see paying off a diesel replacement in fuel
savings would be if I was making the powered ICW trip both ways each
year. Of course that may change if North American fuel prices move up
to match Europe.

Besides, I really like my A-4. I can replace the entire ignition
system out of an auto parts store for $120 and I can trouble-shoot all
the problems I've hit so far without calling in a pro. It's very good
for the ego.

Ryk

engine question
 

Ryk wrote:



I'm in a similar sort of situation, but with a functioning A-4. Try as
I might, I really can't see a way to amortize the diesel replacement
unless one is covering a lot of distance under power.

I don't know how you put a price on it, but if something screws and the
gasoline goes BANG, what price does that carry?

If you have guests on board when it happens, what is the cost of
litigation to settle the claims?

Just curious, what is the increase in insurance premium of having a
gasoline power plant over a diesel engine.

Not taking sides, just asking questions.

Lew

engine question
 

Lew Hodgett wrote:

I don't know how you put a price on it, but if something screws and the
gasoline goes BANG, what price does that carry?

If you have guests on board when it happens, what is the cost of
litigation to settle the claims?

Just curious, what is the increase in insurance premium of having a
gasoline power plant over a diesel engine.

Not taking sides, just asking questions.

Lew

In my case - NONE! My current 40' catamaran had twin gas
outboards until this year. Installed a diesel and called my
insurance company and they said "no difference" after
punching the numbers into their computer. Said that
sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes not.

Evan Gatehouse

engine question
 

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:08:50 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Ryk wrote:



I'm in a similar sort of situation, but with a functioning A-4. Try as
I might, I really can't see a way to amortize the diesel replacement
unless one is covering a lot of distance under power.

I don't know how you put a price on it, but if something screws and the
gasoline goes BANG, what price does that carry?

If you have guests on board when it happens, what is the cost of
litigation to settle the claims?

Just curious, what is the increase in insurance premium of having a
gasoline power plant over a diesel engine.

My son's Newport 27 with A-4 is insured for $2M liability as a rider
on my household policy for a total of about $70 / year, so the gas
soline differential must be some fraction of that.

An awful lot of A-4s have logged an awful lot of hours without much
carnage. How do you feel about propane?

Ryk

engine question
 

Ryk wrote:

How do you feel about propane?

Never thought about it as a motive power fuel.

Lew

engine question
 

Ryk wrote in
:

My son's Newport 27 with A-4 is insured for $2M liability as a rider


What's the boat insurance difference A-4 to a diesel on a Newport 27?
Liability doesn't cover the boat exploding, right?

engine question
 

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:31:35 -0500, Larry wrote:

Ryk wrote in
:

My son's Newport 27 with A-4 is insured for $2M liability as a rider


What's the boat insurance difference A-4 to a diesel on a Newport 27?

Less than $70 per year

Liability doesn't cover the boat exploding, right?

It covers our obligations to anybody who is injured. The loss of the
boat would be small potatoes.

Ryk

engine question
 

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:35:44 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Ryk wrote:

How do you feel about propane?

Never thought about it as a motive power fuel.

It doesn't matter why you have it on board, just whether there's a
leak that has filled your bilge with an explosive mixture.

One of the advantages of gasoline is that we are all so wary of it.
Those of us with some sense run blowers and sniff carefully for the
scent because a few bozos do spectacularly stupid things.

Ryk

engine question
 

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:42:03 +0000, Gary wrote:


Lots of folks with old boats rip out the Atomics and replace them with
outboards. It gives back some stowage and is a cheap alternative if you
like to sail.

Main problem with an outboard (apart from the other poster's comments) is
hobby-horsing: in any kind of sea, the outboard alternates from being
swamped to having the prop out of the water as the boat pitches.

Lloyd Sumpter
http://www.bcboatnet.org

engine question
 

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:31:55 +0000, Thomas Wentworth wrote:

A friend has offered me his old Pearson Vanguard 33' sailboat. It is in
good shape.
But, it needs a new engine. It has the original Atomic 4 gas.

What diesel engine would be the best replacement? How much do the diesels
cost? How much work is it the replace an old Atomic 4 in a 1968 year
sailboat? When replacing the engine, does the shaft, fuel tank etc also get
replaced?

Any other info???


Thanks,,, Tom

Check out Atomic Four Engine Service, in Richmond. He can rebuild the A-4,
or offer an "equivalent" diesel, probably a Universal. I put in a new
diesel in my Catalina 36 a few years ago: of course, it was replacing a
diesel, so the tank stayed, but I had to rebuild the stringers (you might
have to anyway, they may be rotten...), put in new fuel lines, new
exhaust, new prop... Cost me about CDN$10K, but I did almost all the work
myself. Here's a link to the story:
http://www.bcboatnet.org/Tech/engine/index.html

I DO believe replacing a clapped-out gas engine with a shiny new diesel
WILL increase the boat's value, but possibly not completely offsetting the
installation cost.

Lloyd Sumpter
http://www.bcboatnet.org

engine question
 

Hobby horsing can be a problem in certain boats. My Cascade had the
Fairyman removed and a 10hp Honda installed. I was in 4' stuff last week and
only once did I hear the exhaust go under and the prop never came out of the
water. The area where the engine was now houses a 12 volt fridge.
G
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:42:03 +0000, Gary wrote:


Lots of folks with old boats rip out the Atomics and replace them with
outboards. It gives back some stowage and is a cheap alternative if you
like to sail.

Main problem with an outboard (apart from the other poster's comments) is
hobby-horsing: in any kind of sea, the outboard alternates from being
swamped to having the prop out of the water as the boat pitches.

Lloyd Sumpter
http://www.bcboatnet.org