How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?

wrote:
How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
No such thing.
Rogue waves
Very rare.
Shipping containers
Keep a lookout.
Whales
Keep a lookout.
Pirates
Stay away from higher risk reas. Look poor.
Icebergs
Keep a lookout. (Not on major cruising routes.
Submarines
Not on the surface. (deep)

Others ?

Less risky than driving your car to work.
The highest risk for me is getting injured or sick enroute or falling
off the boat.


Gaz

Gary wrote:
wrote:
How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
No such thing.
Rogue waves
Very rare.
Shipping containers
Keep a lookout.
Whales
Keep a lookout.
Pirates
Stay away from higher risk reas. Look poor.
Icebergs
Keep a lookout. (Not on major cruising routes.
Submarines
Not on the surface. (deep)

Others ?

Less risky than driving your car to work.
The highest risk for me is getting injured or sick enroute or falling
off the boat.


Gaz

Head blown off due to trying to unjam RPG launcher to attack approaching
pirates.

How about, face burnt off by positioning same to see the pretty fire in the
back end of the launcher? I guess that would be a crew hazard.
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Gary wrote:
wrote:
How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
No such thing.
Rogue waves
Very rare.
Shipping containers
Keep a lookout.
Whales
Keep a lookout.
Pirates
Stay away from higher risk reas. Look poor.
Icebergs
Keep a lookout. (Not on major cruising routes.
Submarines
Not on the surface. (deep)

Others ?

Less risky than driving your car to work.
The highest risk for me is getting injured or sick enroute or falling
off the boat.


Gaz

Head blown off due to trying to unjam RPG launcher to attack approaching
pirates.

wrote in message
nk.net...

How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?


The big one you missed is Sailors who die at home while on the internet
replying to Trolls.

DP

Yeah, but at least with poopy we can have some fun:}
"d parker" wrote in message
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wrote in message
nk.net...

How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?


The big one you missed is Sailors who die at home while on the internet
replying to Trolls.

DP

"MMC" wrote:
Yeah, but at least with poopy we can have some fun:}

Thanks MMC but this isn't a troll.

I'm still trying to decide between a Tayana Vancouver 460
and a Beneteau 473 !

The Tayana has a collision bulkhead but may be less stable
(AVS = 110 degrees) than the Beneteau (AVS = 120 degrees).

So if the probability of getting capsized by a breaking wave
is greater than the probability of a collision then it may make
more sense to get the Beneteau than the Tayana.

"d parker" wrote:
wrote:

How would you rate the followings in terms of the number of
incidents involving loss of lives along the major cruising routes
each year ?

Unpredictable storms (during long crossings)
Rogue waves
Shipping containers
Whales
Pirates
Icebergs
Submarines

Others ?

The big one you missed is Sailors who die at home while on the internet
replying to Trolls.

Why are yous et on those two boats? They are quite different, so I'm a
bit surprised your'e down to these two finalists. IMHO, a collision
bulkhead, while nice, should not be at the top of the consideration
list. A collision that would damage your hull to the extent of
flooding the boat is not very likely, compared to some events that the
stability and seaworthiness of the boat have more of an effect on.
Especially considering what the outcome of a collision is, bulkhead or
not. Do you also assume that the colision will be in such a location
taht the balast will be worth the other risks?

What attracts you to these two boats?

mickey

mickey wrote:
Why are yous et on those two boats? They are quite different, so I'm a
bit surprised your'e down to these two finalists. IMHO, a collision
bulkhead, while nice, should not be at the top of the consideration
list. A collision that would damage your hull to the extent of
flooding the boat is not very likely, compared to some events that the
stability and seaworthiness of the boat have more of an effect on.
Especially considering what the outcome of a collision is, bulkhead or
not. Do you also assume that the colision will be in such a location
taht the balast will be worth the other risks?

What attracts you to these two boats?

mickey

Almost unintelligible.

Gaz

"mickey" wrote:
Why are you set on those two boats? They are quite
different, so I'm a bit surprised your'e down to these
two finalists. IMHO, a collision bulkhead, while nice,
should not be at the top of the consideration list.
A collision that would damage your hull to the extent
of flooding the boat is not very likely, compared to
some events that the stability and seaworthiness of the
boat have more of an effect on. Especially considering
what the outcome of a collision is, bulkhead or not.
Do you also assume that the colision will be in such
a location taht the balast will be worth the other risks?

What attracts you to these two boats?

I need at least 3 staterooms (one for the litter boxes)
and 2 heads (so Olive can have an en-suite head).

I don't need a boat as heavy as a Tayana but I just like
the layout of the Vancouver 460 because of the pilothouse.
However, this seems to be the only boat with 3 staterooms
and a pilothouse which I can find around here for under
$400,000. So if it's not stable enough for going offshore
I'll have to get something without a pilothouse.

Then I just happened to find a beautiful 2005 Beneteau 473
for sale at a good price. I've also considered Hunters and
Catalinas but don't like them as much. Some Catalinas have
an AVS of 105 degrees so they're even less stable than the
Vancouver 460. Bavarias are also nice and have Kevlar in
bow sections for increased impact and puncture resistance.

I talked to Bob Harris (designer of the Vancouver 460) on
Friday and he said he's going to email me later to address
my concerns. He also told me that an AVS of 110 degrees
is fine for this type of boat even though some people here
think it's not good enough.