Which Bilge Pump?
 

I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get: It will need to
fit into the bilge of a Newport 27, which I am
guessing is 4" wide and 4-5" high.

Thanks a lot!

Chris

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Chris wrote:
I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get:

THe Rule 200 provides the biggest bang for the buck.

Forget the automatic option.

The bilge pump switch hasn't been invented that is worth a hoot unless
you want to spend about $1,000 for one.

In that case, let's talk.

Lew

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Chris wrote:

I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get:


THe Rule 200 provides the biggest bang for the buck.

Forget the automatic option.

The bilge pump switch hasn't been invented that is worth a hoot unless
you want to spend about $1,000 for one.

In that case, let's talk.

What about the Bilge Buddy? (at the bottom of the page:)

http://www.snake-river.org/Products.asp?ID=3

--
Stephen

-------

For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

Which Bilge Pump?
 

What about the Bilge Buddy? (at the bottom of the page:)

http://www.snake-river.org/Products.asp?ID=3


Won't get my boat bucs.

It is technology that has been around for a long time.

Nothing new.

Lew

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Chris wrote:

I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get:


THe Rule 200 provides the biggest bang for the buck.

Forget the automatic option.

The bilge pump switch hasn't been invented that is worth a hoot unless
you want to spend about $1,000 for one.

In that case, let's talk.

Lew

Lew did you perhaps mean the Rule 2000?

I agree that it's the smallest Rule pump that isn't affected
as badly by 6' of head when pumping (only drops off to
about 1500 GPH)

The 1500 Model drops down to 750 GPH at 6' head.

Evan Gatehouse

Which Bilge Pump?
 

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:44:29 -0800, Evan Gatehouse
wrote:

Lew did you perhaps mean the Rule 2000?

I agree that it's the smallest Rule pump that isn't affected
as badly by 6' of head when pumping (only drops off to
about 1500 GPH)

====================================

I believe the Rule 2000 is more than 4 or 5 inches high, which is all
the bilge space claimed by the original post. That's not very much
room to work with in my experience, and will probably require either a
small pump, or a larger pump external to the bilge with a pickup hose.
Pumps with a pickup hose are considerably more expensive because of
the need for valves, self priming capability, etc.

The other issue that I've seen with shallow bilges is the need for a
pump on both sides. Otherwise you can't get water out when the boat
is heeled over.

Which Bilge Pump?
 

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:33:06 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Chris wrote:
I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get:

THe Rule 200 provides the biggest bang for the buck.

Forget the automatic option.

The bilge pump switch hasn't been invented that is worth a hoot unless
you want to spend about $1,000 for one.

In that case, let's talk.

Lew


Here's my dream switch:
a mercury capsule with silver soldered microfine gold plated copper
connecting wire encapsulated in sulphate rubber and fastened to a gold
plated beryllium copper flex hinge in a gold plated copper gauze
container in an anodized aluminum perforated box. = $400

Your move...

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Which Bilge Pump?
 

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:58:17 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Chris wrote:

I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get:


THe Rule 200 provides the biggest bang for the buck.

Forget the automatic option.

The bilge pump switch hasn't been invented that is worth a hoot unless
you want to spend about $1,000 for one.

In that case, let's talk.

What about the Bilge Buddy? (at the bottom of the page:)

http://www.snake-river.org/Products.asp?ID=3

Looks interesting. Connections would be the Achilles heel, and
electrical trainsients could be problematic

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Which Bilge Pump?
 

When the batteries are dead, all of the electric pumps deliver 0 gph at
best, so don't neglect a manual pump that is big enough to deal with a real
leak. Edson pumps are excellent but overkill for a smaller boat. The lager
Whale pumps are good. A bucket or two and a cheap plastic piston type pump
are good insurance.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:44:29 -0800, Evan Gatehouse
wrote:

Lew did you perhaps mean the Rule 2000?

I agree that it's the smallest Rule pump that isn't affected
as badly by 6' of head when pumping (only drops off to
about 1500 GPH)

====================================

I believe the Rule 2000 is more than 4 or 5 inches high, which is all
the bilge space claimed by the original post. That's not very much
room to work with in my experience, and will probably require either a
small pump, or a larger pump external to the bilge with a pickup hose.
Pumps with a pickup hose are considerably more expensive because of
the need for valves, self priming capability, etc.

The other issue that I've seen with shallow bilges is the need for a
pump on both sides. Otherwise you can't get water out when the boat
is heeled over.

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Evan Gatehouse wrote:

Lew did you perhaps mean the Rule 2000?

Tes.

Lew

Which Bilge Pump?
 

In article . com,
"Chris" wrote:

I'd like recommendations which brand/type automatic bilge pump to
get: It will need to fit into the bilge of a Newport 27, which I am
guessing is 4" wide and 4-5" high.


We have the smallest Rule in the bilge.

About 6" higher and much further aft (under the cockpit, giving shorter
lines & less "lift") is the biggest one we found. Has never been used in
anger.

The Rule is their "auto" one: if it has power, it'll try to pump for a
few seconds every few minutes -- a real drain so I put a float switch
back in line. If the switch sticks "on", we're still covered for about a
week. I don't really like the Rule, but it's still working and I haven't
had an urge to switch it out.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Which Bilge Pump?
 

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:33:06 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Chris wrote:
I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get:

THe Rule 200 provides the biggest bang for the buck.

Forget the automatic option.

The bilge pump switch hasn't been invented that is worth a hoot unless
you want to spend about $1,000 for one.

In that case, let's talk.

Hi,

I've had good results with one of these in a dirty bilge (last on
page):

http://www.rule-industries.com/rule/floatsw.asp

Needs covering with a 'basket' though.

As far as pumps go I'd get one of the Johnson 'cartridge' ones, as the
pump motor can be replaced without touching the hoses:

http://www.johnson-pump.com/JPMarine/bilge/Cartridge_Duo.htm

cheers,
Pete.

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Pete C wrote in
:

Needs covering with a 'basket' though.



Speaking of "baskets", I like the idea of putting the bilge pump into a
basket made of coarse plastic screen much larger than the bilge pump.
This makes a larger filter to keep the trash out of the pump so it
doesn't clog so fast as the tiny basket it comes with and keeps the pump,
itself, clean of trash so you don't have to disassemble and clean it.
Pick up the pump out of the basket, pull the basket out of the bilge and
clean it on the dock with the hose and replace it easily. The 12 slots
in the bottom of the pump never get clogged up and the large surface of
the basket takes a lot of clogging before you must clean it.

If you bilge, like ours, is too deep to reach the pump 5 ft down, suspend
the basket with the pump in it on a line so you can pick the whole affair
up to reach it.

Lionheart's bilge stays cleaner than the old Endeavours because the sink
water drains all that Dawn grease cutting dishwater into the main pump,
constantly dissolving any oil and grease into pumpable liquids. It also
keeps the bilge fresh from smelling like a swamp. Use anti-bacterial
Dawn and it kills the little stinkers sloshing around down there. You
have to be careful to use a sink strainer to keep the solids from going
down the drain. It would be nice to have an easily removable strainer in
the sink drain.

Which Bilge Pump?
 

The Johnson looks interesting. Is it available in the US?

Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

"Pete C" wrote in message
...

As far as pumps go I'd get one of the Johnson 'cartridge' ones, as the
pump motor can be replaced without touching the hoses:
http://www.johnson-pump.com/JPMarine/bilge/Cartridge_Duo.htm
cheers,
Pete.

Which Bilge Pump?
 

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:29:06 GMT, "derbyrm"
wrote:

The Johnson looks interesting. Is it available in the US?

Hi,

Looks like they go under the name 'Mayfair':

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?btnG=Search+Froogle&sl=on&lmode=online&q=c artridge+bilge+pump+.&scoring=p&lnk=pruser&price1= 10&price2=&btnP=Go

cheers,
Pete.


Roger

http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

"Pete C" wrote in message
.. .

As far as pumps go I'd get one of the Johnson 'cartridge' ones, as the
pump motor can be replaced without touching the hoses:
http://www.johnson-pump.com/JPMarine/bilge/Cartridge_Duo.htm
cheers,
Pete.

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Chris,

In my opinion and experience, expensive ones burn up or get clogged with
leaves and bilge litter just as fast as the cheap ones! Hence, I buy a
very modest cost one and if I get 2 years out of it I feel lucky, but since
they are cheap I usually buy two at a time so when one conks out I have the
replacement on hand. I like to keep one spare at all times.

Think how many cheap ones you can buy for the cost of the very best one,
then ask if the expensive one is really X times better than the cheap one?

Don Dando


"Chris" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'd like recommendations which brand/type
automatic bilge pump to get: It will need to
fit into the bilge of a Newport 27, which I am
guessing is 4" wide and 4-5" high.

Thanks a lot!

Chris

Which Bilge Pump?
 

Does 'auto' for the rule mean it switches on and of
every few seconds, regardless if there is water or not?

If that is the case, are there any small bilge pumps
that are truly automatic, i.e. switching on only when
there actually is water?

I don't have a lot of space, about 3.5" wide and 6.5"
deep.

Thanks a lot,

Chris

Which Bilge Pump?
 

In article .com,
"Chris" wrote:

Does 'auto' for the rule mean it switches on and of every few
seconds, regardless if there is water or not?

Sometimes. Check the specs, as some simply have enclosed switches.

If that is the case, are there any small bilge pumps that are truly
automatic, i.e. switching on only when there actually is water?

I don't have a lot of space, about 3.5" wide and 6.5" deep.

They exist, but I prefer discrete components.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Which Bilge Pump?
 

She actually lives on this boat.
...not much of a life though, too used up.