No Discharge Zone
 

Does anyone know the government website that would provide a current
map/listing of no discharge zones?

No Discharge Zone
 

In article .com,
wrote:
Does anyone know the government website that would provide a current
map/listing of no discharge zones?


Here are the rules... not sure what you mean by a map, as this applies
to all areas.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:
Does anyone know the government website that would provide a current
map/listing of no discharge zones?


Here are the rules... not sure what you mean by a map, as this applies
to all areas.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



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There is also a law which a lot of Americans that boat in the Canadian
waters of the Great Lakes do not know about. "Porta Potties" are
prohibited. Your vessel must have a marine sanitation device, which is
permanently installed, with pump out capabilites. No overboard discharge
valves are allowed.

Jim C.

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In article ,
Jim Carter wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:
Does anyone know the government website that would provide a current
map/listing of no discharge zones?


Here are the rules... not sure what you mean by a map, as this applies
to all areas.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

There is also a law which a lot of Americans that boat in the Canadian
waters of the Great Lakes do not know about. "Porta Potties" are
prohibited. Your vessel must have a marine sanitation device, which is
permanently installed, with pump out capabilites. No overboard discharge
valves are allowed.

Is there a size limit for that kind of restriction? (No, not the size
of the head... g the size of the boat)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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wrote:

Does anyone know the government website that would provide a current
map/listing of no discharge zones?

http://www.epa.gov/owow/oceans/regul...vsdnozone.html


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Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1
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No Discharge Zone
 

Jim Carter wrote:
There is also a law which a lot of Americans that boat in the Canadian
waters of the Great Lakes do not know about. "Porta Potties" are
prohibited. Your vessel must have a marine sanitation device, which is
permanently installed, with pump out capabilites. No overboard discharge
valves are allowed.

That law is fairly strictly enforced against Canadian flagged vessels,
but transient vessels with portapotties and overboard discharge
capability have never had a problem--at least none that I've ever heard
of in nearly 20 years--provided their systems are properly secured and
they don't dump their portpotties overboard.


Peggie
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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

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Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:

A "no-discharge zone" is different than the general prohibition
concerning the 3 mile limit. There are plenty of places in the US
where you can discharge "treated waste" from a Lectra-San type unit.
Those units are completely illegal in a no-discharge zone unless they
have a holding tank to use while in those areas. I am not sure they
can even be fitted with a holding tank.

Yes, they can. You're correct that the discharge of treated waste from
a USCG certified Type I or II MSD (device that treats waste to legal
standards and discharges it overboard is legal in most COASTAL US
waters, but not in any water specifically designated "no discharge."
However, any boat equipped with a treatment device only needs to have a
holding tank too--and use it of course--while in "no discharge" waters.
In fact, almost all boats fitted with treatment devices also have a tank
for use if/when they visit a "no discharge" harbor or marina.

While we're on the subject...there is nothing that can be added to
holding tank to make it legal to dump it in ANY US waters. Only devices
that have been certified by the USCG as Type I (legal on boats 66' LOA)
or Type II (required for boats 66'+ LOA) are legal treatment devices.
Nor is it legal to flush directly overboard or dump a tank in any U.S.
water...you must be outside the "3 mile limit" to flush a toilet
directly overboard or dump a tank legally. That doesn't mean 3 miles
from shore in the middle of LIS, the Chesapeake, SF Bay, Puget Sound
etc...it means open ocean at least 3 miles from the nearest point on the
whole US coastline.
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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

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In article ,
lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

There is also a law which a lot of Americans that boat in the
Canadian waters of the Great Lakes do not know about. "Porta
Potties" are prohibited. Your vessel must have a marine sanitation
device, which is permanently installed, with pump out capabilites.
No overboard discharge valves are allowed.

Is there a size limit for that kind of restriction? (No, not the size
of the head... g the size of the boat)

I've been told it applies to 22' boats....

And I believe there was a minor inaccuracy in the first post: Overboard
discharge valves aren't illegal, but being able to *use* them is. They
need to be "permanently" closed. Also, porta potties that are
permanently mounted and can be pumped out are legal.

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Perfect. Thank you.

Having purchased and read Peggie's book - I do recommend it.

No Discharge Zone
 

After waste goes into the holding tank, can the system be plumbed to
then treat the waste with the treatment device, and discharge the waste
when the vessel leaves the no discharge zone, or is a pump-out the only
option to empty the holding tank?

Peggie Hall wrote:
However, any boat equipped with a treatment device only needs to have a
holding tank too--and use it of course--while in "no discharge" waters.
In fact, almost all boats fitted with treatment devices also have a tank
for use if/when they visit a "no discharge" harbor or marina.
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Lectrasans use a batch process that requires a few minutes between flushes.
You could run a holding tank through it but it would have to be procesed
about a gallon at a time. Raratan has a holding tank option that wraps
around the Lectrasan. It holds maybe 10 gallons while you are in an NDZ and
has a pump and timer that feeds it to the lectrasan in batches automatically
when you are out of the NDZ..

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ups.com...
After waste goes into the holding tank, can the system be plumbed to
then treat the waste with the treatment device, and discharge the waste
when the vessel leaves the no discharge zone, or is a pump-out the only
option to empty the holding tank?

Peggie Hall wrote:
However, any boat equipped with a treatment device only needs to have a
holding tank too--and use it of course--while in "no discharge" waters.
In fact, almost all boats fitted with treatment devices also have a tank
for use if/when they visit a "no discharge" harbor or marina.
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Peggie

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wrote:

After waste goes into the holding tank, can the system be plumbed to
then treat the waste with the treatment device, and discharge the waste
when the vessel leaves the no discharge zone...

Yes. In fact, Groco and Galley Maid Type Is and IIs that are designed to
be installed after the tank. However, their systems are VERY pricy and
really designed to be used on boats 50'+. Smaller systems like the
Lectra/San are designed to accept waste directly from the toilet, treat
it and discharge it. And because the L/S can only accept and treat a max
input of 1 gal at a time--and each treatment cycle is 2.5 minutes, it
would be impractical unless you also install Raritan's new "Hold 'n'
Treat" system that automatically meters waste out of the tank to the L/S
in 1 gal batches and also automatically runs the L/S. They offer it as
an add-on to existing L/S's and also as a complete package that even
includes a tank. You can read all about it he
http://www.raritaneng.com/products/w...ent/index.html

or is a pump-out the only
option to empty the holding tank?

Unless the waste is treated on its way OUT of the tank by a device
certified to work that way, pumpout is the only option. Treating it
before it goes into the tank will NOT make it legal to dump the
tank...'cuz once waste goes into the tank, whether it's been through a
treatment device first or not, it's no longer considered "treated
waste." Reason: only ONE li'l ol' bacterium has to survive treatment to
quickly multiply into way more than the legal limit in the tank.

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Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

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Captain Joe Redcloud wrote in
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A "no-discharge zone"

Wonder how many dolphins have been busted. Oh, I guess this only applies
to humans in yachts, not the rest of the marine animals, US Navy or those
rustbucket ships in the harbor.

Hey, that'd be fun. Let's drop by the Coast Guard base and ask to see the
holding tanks and control systems on that 1950's bouy tender on their
pier...(c;

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Larry