Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

Appreciatively,
Courtney

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
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Appreciatively,
Courtney

You might want to contact your local Red Cross chapter. They have many to
choose from, and if you tell them the specifics of your needs, I'm sure they
can recommend something.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Like Capt.JG said, your local needs will not be the same as someone in
another latitude. Snakes vrs. bears and so on -

we went to our local doctor and told him we were cruising central
America (from los Angeles) and he made us a list of all kinds of things
and wrote a bunch of scripts to get the stuff. He showed us how to use
it too. You'd be surpirsed what most docs will do if they think you are
up and up.

I thought I was doing the correct thing and purchased a commercial 1st aid
kit that was recommended for commercial/contractor work sites. Cost $100 and
when I broke the seal the 1st time for a band aid, I found the metal case
packed so tight that it was near impossible to return the package to it's
location. In the process I looked for a disinfectant to clean the minor
wound. None there. Not even any Iodine or medical scrub or alcohol. No
ointments for burns or bites. Just a hundred bucks worth of crap.

When I referred to the inventory list, I noted that almost everything was
intended to satisfy the needs until the PeraMedics arrive.

It was also obvious that this kit was intended for a service contract where
some cute little chick comes around once ever 3 months and refills/replaces
the expired aspirin package (for $35-$50).

However, it is "Approved" and "Required" to satisfy the Dept. of
Labor/Industry.

I don't recommend this approach (as you may have sensed).

The 1st Aid Kits at the West Marine aren't much better but they might be a
place to start (they have a nice colorful soft case). Then remove all the
redundant crap and have your local cruising sailor doctor help you fill a
list of "USEFUL" stuff.

Then add some good quality band aids of large and small sizes, large
adhesive patches.

Of the non 1st Aid stuff I recommend is skin care products (sun screen, lip
balm), sea sick patches (requires a prescription). I like to have a large
bottle of hydrogen peroxide and betadyne scrub to clean up wounds and the
surrounding area. Some really good burn ointment (your cruising doctor can
recommend this and a burn treatment procedure).

I haven't tried these yet, but I'm considering the chemical ice packs. I
haven't heard to much about these.

Some light sticks, although not medical, they would be helpful when all the
lights have failed.

Thermal blankets could be helpful.

Just a few of my thoughts, FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
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Appreciatively,
Courtney

Steve wrote:
I thought I was doing the correct thing and purchased a commercial 1st aid
kit that was recommended for commercial/contractor work sites. Cost $100 and
when I broke the seal the 1st time for a band aid, I found the metal case
packed so tight that it was near impossible to return the package to it's
location. In the process I looked for a disinfectant to clean the minor
wound. None there. Not even any Iodine or medical scrub or alcohol. No
ointments for burns or bites. Just a hundred bucks worth of crap.
snip...


Reminds me of the 1st Aid kits placed around our work areas. Back in
the early '80s I had a paper cut and wanted a band-aid. None was to be
found in the kits so I went to the manager responsible for refilling .
He was hiding all the band-aids in his desk. He felt that employees
were 'stealing' the band-aids and decided he wasn't going to replace them.

Here's a link that shows you what you should carry, made up by a
cruising doctor: http://www.riparia.org/cruising_medical_kit.html
Even if you don't want to build your own, it's a good reference to
compare the commercially available ones. Also look at:
http://www.equipped.org/medical.htm#MedicalKits
http://www.landfallnav.com/medicalequip.html
http://www.marmed.com/kits.shtml

There are no proper First Aid Kit to be bought only a convenient one.
Before investing in a First Aid Kit I would take a marine first aid course.
Then if you are doing lots of coastal cruising and long passage making an
advance first aid course is an asset. After having your first aid course a
yearly refresher is a good investment. FWIW

"Don White" wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
I thought I was doing the correct thing and purchased a commercial 1st
aid
kit that was recommended for commercial/contractor work sites. Cost $100
and
when I broke the seal the 1st time for a band aid, I found the metal
case
packed so tight that it was near impossible to return the package to
it's
location. In the process I looked for a disinfectant to clean the minor
wound. None there. Not even any Iodine or medical scrub or alcohol. No
ointments for burns or bites. Just a hundred bucks worth of crap.
snip...


Reminds me of the 1st Aid kits placed around our work areas. Back in
the early '80s I had a paper cut and wanted a band-aid. None was to be
found in the kits so I went to the manager responsible for refilling .
He was hiding all the band-aids in his desk. He felt that employees
were 'stealing' the band-aids and decided he wasn't going to replace them.

Steve wrote:

Of the non 1st Aid stuff I recommend is skin care products (sun screen, lip
balm), sea sick patches (requires a prescription). I like to have a large
bottle of hydrogen peroxide and betadyne scrub to clean up wounds and the
surrounding area. Some really good burn ointment (your cruising doctor can
recommend this and a burn treatment procedure).

I liked the suggestion I saw for *four* "First Aid" kits - ISTR Libby
Purvis in _Yachting Monthly_:

(1) Consumables - seasickness tabs, sunscreen, lip balmband-aids etc -
stuff that you expect to be used at least once a week.

(2) Tool - serious bandages, sutures, dental kit, eyewash, etc.

(3) Drugs - basically anything more specialised than asprin, including
any IV stuff.

(4) Serious stuff - anything beyond chapter 1 of:
http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-se...ga-dqs_st_shs_
seafarer_information-medical/mcga-dqs_st_shs_ships_capt_medical_guide.ht
m

rgds, Alan
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Subject

Several years ago, Mark Anderson, an ER Doc in Portland, OR, as well as
a sailor and boat builder, put together a very extensive first aid kit
for the cruising sailor.

His comments about the commercial stuff were not very positive.

Mostly bandages as I remember.

Try a Google.

Lew

Try http://www.seasidemarineintldrug.com/recreational.html for recreational
first aid kits and commercial kits-not cheap.
"Steve" wrote:

I thought I was doing the correct thing and purchased a commercial 1st aid
kit that was recommended for commercial/contractor work sites. Cost $100 and
when I broke the seal the 1st time for a band aid, I found the metal case
packed so tight that it was near impossible to return the package to it's
location. In the process I looked for a disinfectant to clean the minor
wound. None there. Not even any Iodine or medical scrub or alcohol. No
ointments for burns or bites. Just a hundred bucks worth of crap.

When I referred to the inventory list, I noted that almost everything was
intended to satisfy the needs until the PeraMedics arrive.

It was also obvious that this kit was intended for a service contract where
some cute little chick comes around once ever 3 months and refills/replaces
the expired aspirin package (for $35-$50).

However, it is "Approved" and "Required" to satisfy the Dept. of
Labor/Industry.

I don't recommend this approach (as you may have sensed).

The 1st Aid Kits at the West Marine aren't much better but they might be a
place to start (they have a nice colorful soft case). Then remove all the
redundant crap and have your local cruising sailor doctor help you fill a
list of "USEFUL" stuff.

Then add some good quality band aids of large and small sizes, large
adhesive patches.

Of the non 1st Aid stuff I recommend is skin care products (sun screen, lip
balm), sea sick patches (requires a prescription). I like to have a large
bottle of hydrogen peroxide and betadyne scrub to clean up wounds and the
surrounding area. Some really good burn ointment (your cruising doctor can
recommend this and a burn treatment procedure).

I haven't tried these yet, but I'm considering the chemical ice packs. I
haven't heard to much about these.

Some light sticks, although not medical, they would be helpful when all the
lights have failed.

Thermal blankets could be helpful.

Just a few of my thoughts, FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
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Appreciatively,
Courtney



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WaIIy wrote in
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You will get several replies. One thing I would strongly suggest is a
proper waterproof box, preferably "O" ring sealed.

I found out the hard way.



I worry about "a reasonable price", myself. What's "a reasonable price"
when the wife has cut off her finger 50 miles from shore? What's "a
reasonable price" when something is wrong with the kids? What's "a
reasonable price" when Dad is incapacitated, usually the only REAL sailor
aboard who can handle her, the wife not strong enough and the kids not
allowed?

Nope...First Aid, just like the liferaft, ditch bag, GPS-enabled 406 Mhz
EPIRB and other safety equipment is no time to get CHEAP. If you can't
afford good safety equipment...you shouldn't be "out there". Go by the
safety-at-sea shop and buy the right stuff. Take it back to them for
proper refit at the interval they tell you.....just like the liferaft and
flares.

If it's a daysailor/dock condo...disregard this message...(c;

--
Larry

Larry,

Don't believe I used the word cheap anywhere :-) though I don't ascribe to
the view that quality inherently correlates with quality.

Maybe a better way to pose the intent of my question might have been...
a competitively favorable price. I also did not imply anything deficient,
only favorably priced and sufficient. In other words, in the replying
poster's opinion, what is a source for a sufficient kit at a competitively
favorable price.

If a person was so lacking in judgment as to allow price alone to dictate
their choice in this matter, I doubt they would even bother with a kit to
begin with ;-)

But having read many of your previous posts, I assume you are trying to
help those that are so remiss as to be 1st Aid challenged in the first
place, avoid further mishap.

My hope is that I'm not as inept as I apparently appear...

Thank you for your suggestions.

Cordially,

Courtney


I worry about "a reasonable price", myself. What's "a reasonable price"
when the wife has cut off her finger 50 miles from shore? What's "a
reasonable price" when something is wrong with the kids? What's "a
reasonable price" when Dad is incapacitated, usually the only REAL sailor
aboard who can handle her, the wife not strong enough and the kids not
allowed?

Nope...First Aid, just like the liferaft, ditch bag, GPS-enabled 406 Mhz
EPIRB and other safety equipment is no time to get CHEAP. If you can't
afford good safety equipment...you shouldn't be "out there". Go by the
safety-at-sea shop and buy the right stuff. Take it back to them for
proper refit at the interval they tell you.....just like the liferaft and
flares.

If it's a daysailor/dock condo...disregard this message...(c;

Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:25:52 GMT, WaIIy wrote:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:07:59 GMT, Courtney Thomas
wrote:

Appreciatively,
Courtney

You will get several replies. One thing I would strongly suggest is a
proper waterproof box, preferably "O" ring sealed.

I found out the hard way.

Tupperware storage boxes are great for a first aid kit. We've used ours for
several years now, with no leaks.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

West Marine sells a number of them. I can't remember the brand but
they come in different sizes basd upon your style od cruising.

Doug

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
. ..
Appreciatively,
Courtney

Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

Courtney Thomas wrote in
:

My hope is that I'm not as inept as I apparently appear...

Thank you for your suggestions.



Oh, sorry....Every time I see safety equipment worrying about price, I
think of all those that have died, needlessly, or gotten lost at sea for
want of the simplest things....

The guys at the safety-at-sea places have the best first aid kits. I'm not
sure I'd be much of a surgeon like the manuals talk about in them,
though....especially flogging about in 12' seas. I can hardly make a
sandwich in those conditions. Me with a knife in the waves is scary!

--
Larry

Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

make one up you lazzie ass. it will then have precisely what you want
and need? are you so mindless that you cant do this? you sound like a
mindless consumer. bob, friend to cpt. neil and like minded
fellows of the sea.

Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

I've had a West Marine "400" kit on our boat for a couple of years and it
seems about right for the the sort of problems - cuts, sprains, sea
sickness - we've encountered in cruising a few hours or a day at most away
from an emergency room. The contents are logically arranged and packed in
individual resealable plastic bags and a family doctor who looked through it
was
impressed with the logical organisation and practicality of the manual that
accompanies the kit. For an extended off-shore voyage I would "heavy it
up" with advice from a doctor but for coastal cruising I like it.
Scott

Is there a proper 1st Aid Kit that can be bought "off the shelf" at a reasonable price ?
 

Larry, it seems the Coast Guard doesn't agree with your safety over
economics view. Over weight people on the NY tour boat that capsized is on
of the potential causes being considered. Since the population is plumping
up, boat capacities need to be reconsidered.

"Asked why the Coast Guard did not move more quickly on the
weight-per-person calculation, McArdle said: "It has such wide-ranging
implications. You need to address the economic impact on the industry,
looking at the scope. It's not something where we can just say, 'Now
passenger ferries must carry 20 fewer people.'""


"Larry" wrote in message
...
WaIIy wrote in
:

You will get several replies. One thing I would strongly suggest is a
proper waterproof box, preferably "O" ring sealed.

I found out the hard way.



I worry about "a reasonable price", myself. What's "a reasonable price"
when the wife has cut off her finger 50 miles from shore? What's "a
reasonable price" when something is wrong with the kids? What's "a
reasonable price" when Dad is incapacitated, usually the only REAL sailor
aboard who can handle her, the wife not strong enough and the kids not
allowed?

Nope...First Aid, just like the liferaft, ditch bag, GPS-enabled 406 Mhz
EPIRB and other safety equipment is no time to get CHEAP. If you can't
afford good safety equipment...you shouldn't be "out there". Go by the
safety-at-sea shop and buy the right stuff. Take it back to them for
proper refit at the interval they tell you.....just like the liferaft and
flares.

If it's a daysailor/dock condo...disregard this message...(c;

--
Larry