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In article , Larry
wrote: Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well, often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk. -- Larry Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios. All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
In article , Larry
wrote: The CG does a fairly good job policing Channel 16 and 22A. I've never heard them say anything to the cursing shrimpers on the other channels like 10 or the pleasure boat channels. They don't listen to them. -- Larry You can add Marine Ch 13 to that as well.... Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
In article ,
L. M. Rappaport wrote: No flame, Larry, but can you document that? References, please. I always thought there were far more violations on CB, particularly since callsigns are required and I never heard them. Of course that is anecdotal. Those violators don't seem to be pursued by the FCC, but that doesn't mean they aren't violating the law. Thank you. -- Larry (W1HJF - Amateur Extra Class) Email to rapp at lmr dot com Callsigns haven't been required on CB for many years. They were eliminated when the FCC Granted a Nationwide Blanket License for CFR95 SubPart D Citzens Band Radio Service. See CFR95.417 (a) for Identifacation Rule Bruce in alaska who wonders if W1HJF actually has a copy of 47CFR80-End which includes both Part 95 AND Part 97, which he is REQUIRED to have..... -- add a 2 before @ |
"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message ... In article , Larry wrote: Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well, often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk. -- Larry Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios. All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside US waters. Doug in Maryland |
Doug Dotson wrote:
"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message ... In article , Larry wrote: Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well, often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk. -- Larry Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios. All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside US waters. Doug in Maryland ....and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:00:24 -0400, Larry wrote (with
possible editing): L. M. Rappaport wrote in : No flame, Larry, but can you document that? References, please. I always thought there were far more violations on CB, particularly since callsigns are required and I never heard them. Of course that is anecdotal. Those violators don't seem to be pursued by the FCC, but that doesn't mean they aren't violating the law. Thank you. -- Larry (W1HJF - Amateur Extra Class) There aren't any violations on CB. FCC gave up...(c; I don't find any "list" I can point you to, even on the FCC's website. Let's see, Richard whatzizname and the other idiots on 14.303, FZ in Puerto Rico's a prime example. If you go through the old ARRL mags where they post the troublemakers and look up the calls, that would give you an indication. Again, no flame intended, but what you're saying is purely anecdotal; i.e., your opinion. Because the FCC is not enforcing CB violations does not mean that they are not breaking the law. There was a period of time when there was very little enforcement of amateur radio regulations as well. My recollection was that amateurs were the ones to ask for enforcement and Riley Hollingsworth (a ham himself as I understand it, although I could well be wrong) restarted the effort for the FCC. I guess I just have to disagree. I still use cw occasionally, and then like to stay in that bottom 25 khz of the band where the traffic and qrm is light. I have no quarrel with those of you who think that using that segment isn't worth the effort, but please don't generalize about extra class license holders. At least don't generalize without evidence. -- Larry (W1HJF) Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
L. M. Rappaport wrote in
: I guess I just have to disagree. I still use cw occasionally, and then like to stay in that bottom 25 khz of the band where the traffic and qrm is light. I have no quarrel with those of you who think that using that segment isn't worth the effort, but please don't generalize about extra class license holders. At least don't generalize without evidence. -- Oh, I've never said CW should be eliminated. It's part of ham radio antiquity. I do advocate, as part of the stupid bandplan caste system's demise and a switch to one ham license for all, that CW be CONFINED to the bottom 25 Khz of each band, because up in the phone bands the only reason they pound away on CW is to use it as a phone band jamming device. Use CW in the phone bands and we bust your chops for $10K, no exceptions. CW should NOT have access to the entire band because of the way the old codgers use it for jamming. Problem solved. REAL CW operators only use the bottom of the bands, anyways. One place I'd like to see the bands change for obvious technical reasons is 10 meters. It is very hard to put a 10M FM repeater up because the FM is confined to such a small part of the band that 100 Khz is all the separation possible. This makes duplexing terribly costly. A more sane bandplan, which only needs FCC to DE-regulate 10M from this archaic nonsense, would be if the FMers were to have repeater inputs at the top of the band, say 29.2 to 29.7, and repeater outputs down in the CB DX band from 28.0 to 28.5. This much wider split would allow us repeater operations on 10M that didn't cost as much as a Lexus. 10M FM is great fun on DX repeaters when the bands are open. Move the simplex modes, including CW up the band 500 Khz, which makes no difference in their operations at all, once you get past the "we always done it this way" nonsense and egos. ARRL sponsored segregation of one ham being "better" in some stupid, artificial way, like just because he was on the air and grandfathered in as an Extra when the ARRL sponsored segregation started, causes a lot of childish jealousy and friction. Many, not all but many ego-inflated Extras cause a lot of trouble and friction for the vast army of good hams, running many of them off the band who don't wish to play such games. Ham radio suffers from this nonsense and needs to end it before it dies of old age. ARRL simply perpetuates these flaws with their business-as-usual stance. FCC has become more independent of ARRL influence, noticing how few members ARRL now has. It's a step in the right direction....(c; -- Larry |
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
: Larry is just ****ed that he never was able to pass his Extra exam. Better go check W4CSC on qrz.com, Douggie. I've been a ham since 1957 and an Extra since 2000-something when I could take the test without the CW stupidity I never use....(c; -- Larry |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:09:50 GMT, Bruce in Alaska
wrote (with possible editing): In article , ....snip Callsigns haven't been required on CB for many years. They were eliminated when the FCC Granted a Nationwide Blanket License for CFR95 SubPart D Citzens Band Radio Service. They were eliminated because the FCC was unable to enforce the provision. See CFR95.417 (a) for Identifacation Rule Bruce in alaska who wonders if W1HJF actually has a copy of 47CFR80-End which includes both Part 95 AND Part 97, which he is REQUIRED to have..... Well, that's news to me. As an amateur radio operator, I am required to have a current copy of Part 97 which I do. Part 95 refers to the Personal Radio Service. It happens I have a copy of those regulations along with Part 80, 87, 90 and 101 but only because I hold a commercial license as well, although I don't have them memorized. Like many others, I use a service which keeps everything updated, although one can refer to them at http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html or go to http://www.access.gop.gov/nara/cfr/index.html, then browse, and then look for current year updates in the Federak Register. -- Larry W1HJF Email to rapp at lmr dot com -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
"Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: "Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message ... In article , Larry wrote: Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well, often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk. -- Larry Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios. All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside US waters. Doug in Maryland ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. |
L. M. Rappaport wrote in
: although I don't have them memorized What?!! Why, I'm appalled!...(c; One of the stupidest questions on the EXtra test is something about how many days, before you launch your own orbital ham radio satellite, must you notify FCC that you are going to do so from the cow pasture behind the barn...followed by 4 answers. How stupid! Who cares? Why do they care that I have this information MEMORIZED for instant retrieval? I'd rather have them know how to solder, which would fail 20% of the testees right dead in their tracks...(c; As a digital ham, I wanna swap the stupid code test for a TYPING TEST. It's boring to sit typing with some ham on RTTY or PSK31 or packet that types with one finger at 4 wpm. He should know how to type BEFORE he's allowed on PSK31! -- Larry |
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in news:Tv-
: U.S. requires an operator license as well. I still got my Restricted. It's punched through like your passport with 20J0121 across the paper. Don't think the new ones are for a few decades. -- Larry |
"Larry" wrote in message ... "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in : Larry is just ****ed that he never was able to pass his Extra exam. Better go check W4CSC on qrz.com, Douggie. I've been a ham since 1957 and an Extra since 2000-something when I could take the test without the CW stupidity I never use....(c; -- Larry I also upgraded when the rules changed. Wonder why you upgraded since you seem to have such distain for Extras? Doug |
I was concerned about general abuse of the Marine VHF also. However, I just spent a month up in Canadian BC waters and the respect for proper procedure and useage of the VHF was impressive. Anytime I heard any general 'chit-chat' on 16 (most likely fellow "Yanks") they were quickly dressed down and that was the last you heard of them. I suspect this may have something to do with the need to rely upon the VHF more than Cell Phones in BC waters. My opinion and experience, FWIW. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
: I also upgraded when the rules changed. Wonder why you upgraded since you seem to have such distain for Extras? Doug So the bands didn't have but two "edges" to watch. Besides, my Extra friends used to poke sticks at me at our oldtimer's breakfast. They're all intimately familiar with my being able to make it work. I was one of the troublemakers that started SARA, the Sumter Amateur Radio Association, back in the 70s. We didn't have a repeater and ETV wanted us to have an organization before letting us have tower space at 1000'. SARA was the answer. It went along fine for years, a fun group, but there were power brokers always trying to take it over. One night, in an attempt to split up the group, one of them stood up and said that I had said one of my buddies was just an appliance operator, which was true. My friend stood up and said, "I agree. It's true!". The power boys walked out and never came back. The club was fun, once again. We started having ham classes, just for fun, because some of the wives and kids wanted their Tech licenses to get on the repeater to call Daddy. The youngest kid I ever got a license for was no record, but he was 7...(c; He cried all night the first test he failed the code test on. His letters were so big when he was copying code, he ran out of paper! We had a whole notebook of paper for him to pass, next time. He just kept studying....and passed the 13wpm test next time! He wrote those big letter really fast after a month of practice. We worked real hard to get him his General before he was 9. Most fun I ever had on ham radio...same as those old guys did for me when I was 10. -- Larry |
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:33:38 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. But the Canadian Operator Certificate requires a bit of study, and an examination. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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"Peter Bennett" wrote in message news.com... On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:33:38 -0400, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. But the Canadian Operator Certificate requires a bit of study, and an examination. Your point? -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
While living aboard, at a mooring in San Diego CA, early '90s, I overheard
the US Navy parking lot security patrols using the VHF walkie talkies every nite for a couple days. Fortunately a senior navy officer on his pleasure boat heard them and all the other boater complaints and put a stop to it.. Steve s/v Good Intentions "Larry" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in news:KcadnZ-o2s1hi5TeRVn- : I was concerned about general abuse of the Marine VHF also. You'd have had a heart attack on Channel 10 in Greenville, SC, a long way from the sea. A friend of mine, who was a ham, ran a pest control business on Channel 10 for years...(c; Not much traffic in the mountains....(c; This kilocycle kop krap gets too far, however. Lots of boaters I know are afraid to use the radios for fear of making some kind of foopah mistake. What nonsense. Some idiot screamed at me on Ch 68 one day for talking about a raft up we were headed to with friends. I gave him Lionheart's callsign and asked him for his. Of course, he had none...(c; -- Larry |
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:31 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Peter Bennett" wrote in message rnews.com... On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:33:38 -0400, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. But the Canadian Operator Certificate requires a bit of study, and an examination. Your point? I understood that Americans could get an operator's certificate without any training or examination - they just submit a form to the FCC. If this is not the case, I'll withdraw my comment. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
"Peter Bennett" wrote in message news.com... On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:31 -0400, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Peter Bennett" wrote in message ernews.com... On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:33:38 -0400, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. But the Canadian Operator Certificate requires a bit of study, and an examination. Your point? I understood that Americans could get an operator's certificate without any training or examination - they just submit a form to the FCC. If this is not the case, I'll withdraw my comment. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca That's true, but radio procedures are taught in basic boating courses. So I guess your point was that US operators are somehow inferior to Canadian operators. |
In article ,
"Steve" wrote: I was concerned about general abuse of the Marine VHF also. However, I just spent a month up in Canadian BC waters and the respect for proper procedure and useage of the VHF was impressive. Anytime I heard any general 'chit-chat' on 16 (most likely fellow "Yanks") they were quickly dressed down and that was the last you heard of them. I suspect this may have something to do with the need to rely upon the VHF more than Cell Phones in BC waters. My opinion and experience, FWIW. Steve s/v Good Intentions No, the USCG does a good job of keeping Marine ch. 16 free of chitchat up here in God's Country.... Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
In article .com,
Peter Bennett wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:26:31 -0400, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Peter Bennett" wrote in message rnews.com... On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:33:38 -0400, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. But the Canadian Operator Certificate requires a bit of study, and an examination. Your point? I understood that Americans could get an operator's certificate without any training or examination - they just submit a form to the FCC. If this is not the case, I'll withdraw my comment. Actually, there are two types of Non-Technical Operators licenses avalible in the US. Resricted Permit and Marine Radiotelephoner Operators Permit. The Restricted Permit is for all VHF Operators, and HF Operators running less than 400 watts PEP, outside US Waters, and in Alaska, and has no testing required. The MROP is for Coast Station Operators, HF Operators of Station with Powers over 400 Watts PEP, and all SOLAS, and Great Lakes Radio Agreement, except for Coast Stations in Alaska that have less than 1500 Watts PEP Power. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
Bruce in Alaska wrote:
Actually, there are two types of Non-Technical Operators licenses avalible in the US. Resricted Permit and Marine Radiotelephoner Operators Permit. The Restricted Permit is for all VHF Operators, and HF Operators running less than 400 watts PEP, outside US Waters, and in Alaska, and has no testing required. The MROP is for Coast Station Operators, HF Operators of Station with Powers over 400 Watts PEP, and all SOLAS, and Great Lakes Radio Agreement, except for Coast Stations in Alaska that have less than 1500 Watts PEP Power. Bruce in alaska Back in 2000 I took a CPS two night seminar and wrote an exam to receive my Restricted Operator Certificate" http://www.cps-ecp.ca/english/radio_talk.htm |
FCC proposes to drop code on all licenses!
Thanks to the FCC, they have turned the VHF Marine Band into
CB. Capt Boots "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: "Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message .. .. In article , Larry wrote: Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well, often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk. -- Larry Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios. All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside US waters. Doug in Maryland ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. |
FCC proposes to drop code on all licenses!
Code has never been required for Marine VHF.
krj Boots wrote: Thanks to the FCC, they have turned the VHF Marine Band into CB. Capt Boots "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: "Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message .. . In article , Larry wrote: Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well, often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk. -- Larry Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios. All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside US waters. Doug in Maryland ...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the station licenses are gone. U.S. requires an operator license as well. |
FCC proposes to drop code on all licenses!
"Boots" wrote in news:1128372013_40775@spool6-
east.superfeed.net: Thanks to the FCC, they have turned the VHF Marine Band into CB. Capt Boots How did the license make them better radio operators....or drivers....?? If it did, then we need intensive licensing before we let them get behind the wheel of that 70' luxury motor yacht, something that worries me MUCH more than some stupid little radio license. Push THAT button at the yacht club or boat dealer and see what you get....(c; -- Larry |
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