Buying a Sailboat on EBAY...Opinions
 

Has anyone bought a sailboat on EBAY or know of someone who has?

Any opinions on the prices sought and got selling sailboats on EBAY?

Would you buy a sailboat on EBAY? If not, why?

Is EBAY a good place to sell a boat, if yes, why. If no, why?

I've sold a powerboat on EBAY before. I was surprised how easy it was.
I listed the boat locally for a few weeks and then tried EBAY (it sold
pretty quick). I would say just be careful...inspect the boat before
bidding and get it surveyed 1st if you're serious. I am a surveyor and
have inspected boats listed on EBAY; some match the seller's
description, but many do not (or hidden damages are found).

I was surprised at those who bid on my boat, only one person came out
to see it and the ultimate buyer never saw the boat until the day he
picked it up!!! In my particular case, I was proud of what I listed
for sale and confident it represented the condition I claimed it was
in. Some sellers could misrepresent (either knowlingly or not) which
could leave the buyer in a bad situation...good luck-

Mic wrote:
Has anyone bought a sailboat on EBAY or know of someone who has?

Any opinions on the prices sought and got selling sailboats on EBAY?

Would you buy a sailboat on EBAY? If not, why?

Is EBAY a good place to sell a boat, if yes, why. If no, why?

i have bought and sold a few boats on ebay, it is easy...i
sugg you plan on just using ebay to find a "motivated seller"...
then, go and spend some time at the boat, get a survey,
take it out, etc...

In article ,
says...


Has anyone bought a sailboat on EBAY or know of someone who has?

Any opinions on the prices sought and got selling sailboats on EBAY?

Would you buy a sailboat on EBAY? If not, why?

Is EBAY a good place to sell a boat, if yes, why. If no, why?


A friend of ours bought a Morgan 30 on eBay for $2,300. He had to put
some work into it but he is way ahead.

i just bid $5k on a 1986 ericson 38 (thrashed from what l@@ks like
the hurricane).....anyone on the west coast want to split it w/me
if i win?? $5k purchase, $20k materials, a few hundred "sweat
equity" hours...and one has a nice sailboat...richard / colorado

for anyone l@@kin for a project that could
yield a) good sailing b) $ profit (if ya got the time)
the below notes refer to a 1986 ericson 38 on
e bay right now...no reserve..$5k.....


------------------------ebay snip---------------------
This boat was swamped and sank in Hurricane Marilyn in 1995. She has
been in storage in Villa Marina, in Farjado on the back lot since then.
Termites ate a lot of the non-teak wood below. About 50% of the
cabinetry has been rebuilt and the original teak doors and drawers are
ok. She needs some one who is willing to spending real time rebuilding
the rest of the woodwork and putting in new electrical and plumbing.
The rigging needs to be installed and there may be some parts to be
purchased. Depending on the amount of expertise you have in boat
restoration it should take about $5,000 to $10,000 worth of additional
parts. The topsides deck is in almost new condition. the motor is
probably not worth rebuilding but for $300 a Perkins 4-108 50 hp/ with
transmission can be had. The boat has a valid Virgin Islands
registration. The boat is sitting on a free mooring and my suggestion
would be to buy a Honda 2000 generator, bring down your wood working
tools and rebuild it here in Paradise. The seller has started the
process of rebuilding but has taken on other projects and just wants
out of the deal. Please do not email for additional information. For
additional information call Gady or you can call me Loren Fletcher at
340-998-2318

In article .com,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

for anyone l@@kin for a project that could
yield a) good sailing b) $ profit (if ya got the time)
the below notes refer to a 1986 ericson 38 on
e bay right now...no reserve..$5k.....


------------------------ebay snip---------------------
This boat was swamped and sank in Hurricane Marilyn in 1995. She has
been in storage in Villa Marina, in Farjado on the back lot since then.
Termites ate a lot of the non-teak wood below. About 50% of the
cabinetry has been rebuilt and the original teak doors and drawers are
ok. She needs some one who is willing to spending real time rebuilding
the rest of the woodwork and putting in new electrical and plumbing.
The rigging needs to be installed and there may be some parts to be
purchased. Depending on the amount of expertise you have in boat
restoration it should take about $5,000 to $10,000 worth of additional
parts. The topsides deck is in almost new condition. the motor is
probably not worth rebuilding but for $300 a Perkins 4-108 50 hp/ with
transmission can be had. The boat has a valid Virgin Islands
registration. The boat is sitting on a free mooring and my suggestion
would be to buy a Honda 2000 generator, bring down your wood working
tools and rebuild it here in Paradise. The seller has started the
process of rebuilding but has taken on other projects and just wants
out of the deal. Please do not email for additional information. For
additional information call Gady or you can call me Loren Fletcher at
340-998-2318


Oh Wow! Sounds like the boat my surveyor offered to give me for free.
After admiring the beautiful lines and obvious pedigree, I looked a
little closer and said, "I'm not sure it's worth that much." I passed.

I suspect $10k may be required just to get it to float, never mind the
rotted cores and interior that obviously needs to be completely rebuilt
from the keel up.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

------------------------ebay snip---------------------
This boat was swamped and sank in Hurricane Marilyn in 1995....
..... The seller has started the
process of rebuilding but has taken on other projects and just wants
out of the deal.

Now, that's a really stellar recommendation.


Jere Lull wrote:
Oh Wow! Sounds like the boat my surveyor offered to give me for free.
After admiring the beautiful lines and obvious pedigree, I looked a
little closer and said, "I'm not sure it's worth that much." I passed.

I suspect $10k may be required just to get it to float, never mind the
rotted cores and interior that obviously needs to be completely rebuilt
from the keel up.


Replacing all the wiring & electrical equip't would cost more than $10K,
the plumbing probably close to that. This boat (and many many more that
were damaged in hurricanes) is landfill fodder. After sinking, then
sitting for ten years on the back lot, I doubt there's anything left
worth salvaging.

Last fall, a cruising group that my wife & I belong to had a dinner talk
by a marine insurance underwriter who is also a former surveyor... great
stuff. He talked about differences in policies, what some of the
technical terms of coverage really mean, and most entertaining, a long
series of hurricane damage pictures.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

i heard that.....i bet the presentation from the ins agent was very
interesting....

the ebay E38 biddin' is now almost up to $6k, one day left...Puttin a
"pencil to paper", i guess (the hull) it would be worth up to $10k...If
one
added a "reserve" account w/ $50k avail for parts and equipment...Plus
a few hundred man/women hours...grin.....

A "finished" e38, 1986, even w/a "clouded title" (ie: ttled "in
storm/sank/re built") ... Would fetch, i woulkd guess $75k


someone is going to have a nice, big project on their hands...but,
when you watch a e38 under way, say under the gldn gate bridge..w/full
sails.....its a thing of beauty.....

i am done now....back to work....

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
the ebay E38 biddin' is now almost up to $6k, one day left...Puttin a
"pencil to paper", i guess (the hull) it would be worth up to $10k.

How ya figure that? Somebody might pay that much, guess that makes it
"worth" that.

...If one
added a "reserve" account w/ $50k avail for parts and equipment...Plus
a few hundred man/women hours...grin.....

If you had the time, the skill, and the money, why not buy a boat that's
in better shape? Spend your time sailing and don't take the gamble
that there's something left out of your figuring up costs... actually
it's not a gamble, there is *always* something!


A "finished" e38, 1986, even w/a "clouded title" (ie: ttled "in
storm/sank/re built") ... Would fetch, i woulkd guess $75k


Again, how do you figure that? Not meaning to be insulting, look at
Yachtworld.com... asking prices in the $65K range, much lower for just a
few years older. Between the boat's history and the 'cloudy title' you
might be lucky to sell in the $50K range assuming it was a magnificent
restoration. The fact is that the boat market is a big time buyers
market right now, and probably will be for the forseeable future.

A good friend of ours bought a boat from an insurance company, on a 'too
good to be true' deal... it was. It was almost free, and took relatively
little restoration (mostly rebuilding the cabin). By now it's been for
sale almost six months, and it looks like he's going to have to accept
less than half his original asking price, if he gets an offer that good.

The trick is to learn from the mistakes of others. You'll never live
long enough to make them all yourself ;)


someone is going to have a nice, big project on their hands...but,
when you watch a e38 under way, say under the gldn gate bridge..w/full
sails.....its a thing of beauty.....


Yep... although I like the older E39 flush deck better.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/itemZ...cmdZViewIte m

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

good point Doug King...hey....wasn't it Bruce King that did a lot of
the Ercison hull designs?...I worked @ the plant for a few years in
the mid 80's...Fun place...great product...

Anyway, hes isn't your daddy or somethin' is he? Bruce King did some
very
nice boats...I'll bet a "google" on him would reveal some interesting
stuff...

i bid up to $5k on the ebay ericson 38 (would love to skipper a e38!!)
but
wasn't sure i could go much $5k w/all the other potential expenses...

i am a tax accountant..landlocked (i have 20 yrs of sailing background)
right
now in northern colorado...I would be interested in investing and
running a
corp owned ericson 38 ... of course it could be a "shell s corp" for
boat
usage of, say, no more than 3 owners ... anyway.. I can do all the
admin,
bookeeping, tax returns, "hosting" and maintaining a reservation system
(like
we do now for a cessna) for the corp owners... it could be a nice
lettle shell
w/a lot of possibilities..


well stated

"The trick is to learn from the mistakes of others. You'll never live
long enough to make them all yourself ;) "



"

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
good point Doug King...hey....wasn't it Bruce King that did a lot of
the Ercison hull designs?...

Yes, pretty much all of them AFAIK. No relation, though.

The Ericsons were pretty good boats. Most of them were quite well built,
far better IMHO than most production boats. Sail well, too. I didn't
realize this until a few years ago, when serious boat shopping gave me
the "opportunity" to do some dedicated bilge-crawling in a lot of boats
including a couple Ericsons.

....Bruce King did some
very
nice boats...I'll bet a "google" on him would reveal some interesting
stuff...

How 'bout this?
http://www.whitehawk.com/


i bid up to $5k on the ebay ericson 38 (would love to skipper a e38!!)
but
wasn't sure i could go much $5k w/all the other potential expenses...


Wise to keep it low. But if you're serious about undertaking that sort
of project, there are lots and lots of potential projects that never get
onto the internet. Take your weekends, maybe even a little vacation
time, and hunt thru the boat yards in teh hurricane zones. You may find
an Ericson 38 that offers serious hope, for the asking.

Considering your occupation, you find it an interesting exercise to whip
up a boat project spreadsheet, with various projected prices
populated... I've done spreadsheets for all my boat projects but not a
master file.


i am a tax accountant..landlocked (i have 20 yrs of sailing background)
right
now in northern colorado...I would be interested in investing and
running a
corp owned ericson 38 ... of course it could be a "shell s corp" for
boat
usage of, say, no more than 3 owners ... anyway.. I can do all the
admin,
bookeeping, tax returns, "hosting" and maintaining a reservation system
(like
we do now for a cessna) for the corp owners... it could be a nice
lettle shell
w/a lot of possibilities..


There may be a couple of takers out there in newsgroup-land. Y'all
listening?


well stated

"The trick is to learn from the mistakes of others. You'll never live
long enough to make them all yourself ;) "

Thanks, but I didn't think of that myself.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

http://www.whitehawk.com/


damm...what a beauty..."cold moulded wood" what the
%$#@ is that?......

that is quite a boat/ship....not exactally what you might find on
ebay....

http://www.whitehawk.com/


One can always dream.

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
damm...what a beauty...

She's gorgeous... inspired by (or blatantly copied from) L.F.
Herreshoff, no doubt the original owner had very good taste but wanted
something BIGGER!

...."cold moulded wood" what the
%$#@ is that?......


It's plywood, laminated in place over a mold so that it's literally made
in the shape of the hull & deck. Very strong stuff, it's claimed by
those familiar with it to be the longest lived & least problematic
boatbuilding material.

that is quite a boat/ship....not exactally what you might find on
ebay....


Oh you never know. I couldn't afford to keep a boat like that even if
offered it for free, in perfect condition. Well, I could afford it for a
little while, but my family might not like the result ;)

BTW Bruce King also designed a classic work-boat style express cruiser
for Billy Joel a while back, this boat (IIRC it was 36') was fabulously
expensive of course but so widely admired that several other designers &
builders started copying her... most notably Hinckly, who has now
patented the name 'picnic yacht' to try & hog the market for their copies!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

inyeresting....
---------snip-----------------------------
BTW Bruce King also designed a classic
work-boat style express cruiser
for Billy Joel a while back, this
boat (IIRC it was 36') was fabulously expensive
of course but so widely admired that several
other designers & builders started copying
her... most notably Hinckly, who has now
patented the name 'picnic yacht' to try & hog
the market for their copies!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article .com,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

damm...what a beauty..."cold moulded wood" what the
%$#@ is that?......

A blend of old and new: Epoxy gluing thin veneers together to form a
shape that can be quite organic. Done properly, it's stronger and
lighter than fiberglass, quite a bit more durable than wood.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

sounds great for a sailboat....


--------snip--------------------
"Done properly, it's stronger and
lighter than fiberglass, quite a bit
more durable than wood"

Red Cloud® wrote:
Doug should know. Unless he's a liar, he paid well over 7 figures for a used
Sundowner 36 trawler that needed work.


Are you regressing into your JAXAshby personality?

Produce a quote where I said (posted) any such thing. Put up or shut up.

DSK

In article .com,
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

--------snip--------------------
"Done properly, it's stronger and lighter than fiberglass, quite a
bit more durable than wood"

sounds great for a sailboat....

OH, YEAH!

I first raced as crew on a cold-molded Jet-14. Though the boat was
older than I was, it was still in fantastic shape, showing a natural
grain and glow that cabinet makers like me only dream of. The "modern"
hulls made in fiberglass could never keep up with us.

Trouble is, it's VERY labor intensive. And an expert job is now
prohibative. (sp?)

Except for specialist applications, I'd take cold-molded over metal
every day. Fiberglass isn't even in the running.

Still, I doubt our next boat will be anything but FRP, for many other
reasons.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Produce a quote where I said (posted) any such thing. Put up or shut up.

DSK


Here you go, LIAR!


Wrong again.

If I were a math teacher, I'd point out that "7 figures" is not the same
as $7, and send you back a grade.



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"Poor man's trawler?" Jealousy ill becomes you.


Red Cloud© wrote:

Well a poor man's trawler becomes you to a "T". You are a very poor
man.



Well, let's see... my "poor man's trawler" cost more than ten of your
boat, probably more than your house, car, & boat put together...

DSK

labor is a killer as far as $$ goes...but not
quality or effeciency (sp?)...thanx for
the info...

Red Cloud© wrote:
You challenged me to "Put up or shut up", and I met the challenge by
providing the proof you demanded.

No, you didn't. Where in this quote is "7 figures"?

Are you a moron, a liar, a sociopath, or all three? You're certainly not
much of a sailor if you're so insecure.

DSK

No, you didn't. Where in this quote is "7 figures"?

Are you a moron, a liar, a sociopath, or all three? You're certainly not
much of a sailor if you're so insecure.



Red Cloud© wrote:
What a wimp. You said your boat was worth more than my house, boat and
car combined.

Yes I did say that, and my estimate of your net worth based on your
apparent intelligence supports that statement.

You are obviously jealous of me (and others) who sail more, are more
successful, and have better (more expensive) boats than you do. Life is
tough, ain't it?


You asked me to put up or shut up, and I met your challenge.

No, you didn't. All you've done is a lot of whining and blathering and
bragging.

Bye.

DSK

In article ,
Red Cloud© wrote:
There ya have it folks. Doug King pulls lies out of his ass, and when
called on it, with proof that HE demands, he's such a ball-less worm
that he doesn't even have enough honor and guts to admit he lied. And
his lie was in the form of bragging, to boot. Funny how he keeps
trying to acuse me of things HE did.

Doug is a bitter little mamas boy, who takes his marching orders from
his shrivelled nagging hag of a wife. She made him sell his crappy 18
foot sailboat and buy a budget trawler. Ever since then, he's been
running around bragging that he has a boat that not many people could
afford. He may be right as far as the neighborhood he lives in. It's a
low-rent toothless hillbilly mecca. He's their "chosen one".

You have a long way to go before you become an eighth of the person
Doug is. Doug could own a 14 foot leaky rowboat with a 2-stroke engine
built in 1962, and he would be 10 times the sailor you pretend to be.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:56:03 GMT, (Mic) wrote:

Has anyone bought a sailboat on EBAY or know of someone who has?

Got a Newport 27 in early October for US$2225. Great shape for the
price and an Atomic 4 in great condition. There are deals out there
and eBay is just one way to find them.

Ryk

no doubt Ryk...sounds like you gat a sweet deal...there are many
folks on ebay w/some nice "water rides" for sale...i see ebay as a
great meeting place for buyers and sellers...on a big ticket item,
travel and inspection is required...boats, planes, and top end cars...
imho.....but, ebay is a great way for buyers and sellers to "meet"...