In article ,
"Denis Marier" wrote:

So far the only way I know is to pick up the mooring bail, bent down and
thread a rope through the bail. From the bow of a sailboat it can become
difficult when the weather is bad. I only wish I could learn a better way
to thread the pennant trough the bail hook.

If you do it a lot, the hooker would be a good idea, but the few times
I've had to hook to a bare mooring, I turned the boat around and
connected from the cockpit, which is a lot closer to the water.

As most of the moorings I've used had the chain running through a PVC
pipe through the mooring, when I picked the loop up, I could latch it
into a cleat for that third hand that's usually needed.

If I did it a lot, my mooring line would have its own hook for an
initial hook-up. I wouldn't depend on it of course, but anything that
lets me get things under control faster is good.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

I'll ask him when he comes up to bed tonight.

Rosalie, it's 2030 here in NJ. Are you already _in_ bed with your computer?

After 8:00 pm, I come upstairs and take my medications. Bob watches
TV downstairs, and I watch different stuff upstairs. A certain amount
of separateness is why we've been married for 46 years.

Snap shackles are what he uses. One is at West Marine and one is
advertised in Sail. We can put our own pennant on the mooring ball
using the snap shackle and then attach the boat to that using a
bridle.




grandma Rosalie

Rosalie: Can you provide a part number for the shackle you use? I'd
like to see one that's strong enough to moor your boat. Have you ever
had to cut one free because you couldn't detach it in rough weather?

"Armond Perretta" wrote in message
...
Denis Marier wrote:
So far the only way I know is to pick up the mooring bail, bent down
and thread a rope through the bail. From the bow of a sailboat it
can become difficult when the weather is bad. I only wish I could
learn a better way to thread the pennant trough the bail hook.

There really _is_ no simpler method. I once picked up a mooring at Indian
Harbor (CT) while handling a 46 footer, where the mooring pennant had
already been removed (very late in the season). It was blowing 25 - 30 SW
and the youngsters manning the club's VHF had directed me to that specific
mooring. I realized only after the fact that the pennant was long gone to
storage. Meanwhile my soon-to-be wife was driving the ship with about 2
hours experience, trying to hear my shouts over the wind. We didn't sink
or hit anything hard, but it was close at times.

Repeat: There is no simple method and the best tactic is to grab that
ball
with the pole and pray.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare



isnt the standard technique (for a ball/mooring bouy of a reasonable size)
to drop a loop of line over it , pull in and cleat off? This holds you on
the ball while you thread the eye on the top. Done it many times

MD

Mobey Dick wrote:

isnt the standard technique (for a ball/mooring bouy of a reasonable
size) to drop a loop of line over it , pull in and cleat off? This
holds you on the ball while you thread the eye on the top. Done it
many times

I don't know how "standard" this is, but it would probably work well in many
cases.

I would not however venture to say that it would work in _all_ cases. In
the instance I cited (2 plus meters off the water in a borrowed 46 foot
motorsailer with none of my own gear on board, an inexperienced person at
the helm, a "yachtsman's gale" whooping up, no indication that the mooring
had essentially been disabled at that time of the year, etc., etc.), I am
just not 100% sure.

I don't really think, for the record, that any individual could have been
100% certain, but that's probably attributable to the narrow circles I
travel in.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare

"Keith" wrote:

Rosalie: Can you provide a part number for the shackle you use? I'd
like to see one that's strong enough to moor your boat. Have you ever
had to cut one free because you couldn't detach it in rough weather?

We don't moor the boat with it - we just grab the mooring ball and
attach a pennant if there isn't one. The snap shackle (on the end of
a pole), just helps with the grabbing part, and I think it can be
rigged so that once you've got it, the pennant - already attached to
the bridle - is automatically attached.

Never had to cut one free, because it isn't on the mooring ball except
when we are getting it.


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote:

We don't moor the boat with it - we just grab the mooring ball and
attach a pennant if there isn't one. The snap shackle (on the end of
a pole), just helps with the grabbing part, and I think it can be
rigged so that once you've got it, the pennant - already attached to
the bridle - is automatically attached.

As I understand the term "snap shackle," there is no part readily available
that will do what you suggest, Rosalie. A "snap shackle" is (to me) the
part that is spliced (or tied) into a halyard or sheet and used to secure a
line to a sail, a tackle to a vang rig, etc. I am thinking in particular of
the 1100 and 1200 series that used to be supplied by Nicro.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare

"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

We don't moor the boat with it - we just grab the mooring ball and
attach a pennant if there isn't one. The snap shackle (on the end of
a pole), just helps with the grabbing part, and I think it can be
rigged so that once you've got it, the pennant - already attached to
the bridle - is automatically attached.

As I understand the term "snap shackle," there is no part readily available
that will do what you suggest, Rosalie. A "snap shackle" is (to me) the
part that is spliced (or tied) into a halyard or sheet and used to secure a
line to a sail, a tackle to a vang rig, etc. I am thinking in particular of
the 1100 and 1200 series that used to be supplied by Nicro.

Well maybe I'm not using the right term, but that's what Bob called
it. It is available from West Marine, and it is advertised in the
magazines as a device for grabbing mooring buoys.

It may be something like this
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...242&storeNum=5


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote:

"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

We don't moor the boat with it - we just grab the mooring ball and
attach a pennant if there isn't one. The snap shackle (on the end of
a pole), just helps with the grabbing part, and I think it can be
rigged so that once you've got it, the pennant - already attached to
the bridle - is automatically attached.

As I understand the term "snap shackle," there is no part readily available
that will do what you suggest, Rosalie. A "snap shackle" is (to me) the
part that is spliced (or tied) into a halyard or sheet and used to secure a
line to a sail, a tackle to a vang rig, etc. I am thinking in particular of
the 1100 and 1200 series that used to be supplied by Nicro.

Well maybe I'm not using the right term, but that's what Bob called
it. It is available from West Marine, and it is advertised in the
magazines as a device for grabbing mooring buoys.

It may be something like this
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...242&storeNum=5

PS I'm pretty sure ours is a metal one and this one looks like
plastic. Bob bought the pieces and put it on a broomstick - it
doesn't come with a pole. So you can have the pole as long or short
as you need. The bow of our boat is also about 10 feet up above the
water, and I have to lie down on the deck to catch the mooring ball
ring, especially if there is no pennant on it.

grandma Rosalie

In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote:
Rosalie B. wrote:

"Armond Perretta" wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

We don't moor the boat with it - we just grab the mooring ball and
attach a pennant if there isn't one. The snap shackle (on the end of
a pole), just helps with the grabbing part, and I think it can be
rigged so that once you've got it, the pennant - already attached to
the bridle - is automatically attached.

As I understand the term "snap shackle," there is no part readily available
that will do what you suggest, Rosalie. A "snap shackle" is (to me) the
part that is spliced (or tied) into a halyard or sheet and used to secure a
line to a sail, a tackle to a vang rig, etc. I am thinking in particular of
the 1100 and 1200 series that used to be supplied by Nicro.

Well maybe I'm not using the right term, but that's what Bob called
it. It is available from West Marine, and it is advertised in the
magazines as a device for grabbing mooring buoys.

It may be something like this
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...242&storeNum=5

PS I'm pretty sure ours is a metal one and this one looks like
plastic. Bob bought the pieces and put it on a broomstick - it
doesn't come with a pole. So you can have the pole as long or short
as you need. The bow of our boat is also about 10 feet up above the
water, and I have to lie down on the deck to catch the mooring ball
ring, especially if there is no pennant on it.

grandma Rosalie

I've used the plastic version (brand name Happy Hooker) without
problems.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."