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[email protected] June 27th 05 08:18 PM

List of proven off shore cruisers?
 
Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter


[email protected] June 27th 05 08:22 PM

Perhaps I should add that the list I'm thinking of would be boats that
are likely available on the second hand or new market.


Jeff June 27th 05 10:57 PM

wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter

Almost any well built boat can be used as an "off shore cruiser." Its
the skipper and crew that must be "proven."

As examples, the three larger (i.e. not dinghies or trailer boats)
that I've owned would not be considered "off shore" by most standards.
One has a good traditional design, but is small, at 24 feet. My
Nonsuch had a large cockpit, poor rollover numbers, and limited sail
options. My catamaran is light and has limited load capabilities.
However, sisterships of all three have done Atlantic crossings.

I remember watching someone fit out a Rhodes 18 and asking why his
rigging was so over-sized. A year later he took it across the
Atlantic. Another time I was chatting with someone who had a small IOR
race boat, half ton I think, and he mentioned that he had taken one
just like it across the Pacific. Right, I thought to myself. Later I
found out he was a famous cruiser with a number of Pacific crossings
under his keel.

The bottom line is that when you're ready to consider off shore
cruising, you'll know what type of boat is the best for you.


[email protected] June 27th 05 11:16 PM

I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?


Capt. JG June 27th 05 11:27 PM

wrote in message
oups.com...
I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?


You might want to consider speaking with a knowledgeable broker.. someone
who actually sails offshore. There are a few of them around. Of course, they
will have an agenda (to sell you a boat), but as long as you know that, you
can make some progress. A good broker will give you good advice and look all
over the US or world for the boat that fits your needs (after they've been
identified). If you're not quite ready to buy, you should be upfront about
that.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Armond Perretta June 28th 05 12:30 AM

wrote:

Perhaps I should add that the list I'm thinking of would be boats that
are likely available on the second hand or new market.


What are the _other_ markets?

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http:\\home.comcast.net/kerrydeare



Joe Della Barba June 28th 05 12:37 AM

On 27 Jun 2005 12:18:53 -0700, wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter

I know of a Cal 20 that did the Atlantic.

CLARK NICHOLSON June 28th 05 01:09 AM

I suggest you put "Cruising in the Seraffyn" by Lin and Larry Parley to the
top of your reading list. Great info for small cruisers.
Clark
"Joe Della Barba" wrote in message
...
On 27 Jun 2005 12:18:53 -0700, wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter

I know of a Cal 20 that did the Atlantic.




cruisenews June 28th 05 01:16 AM

http://cruisenews.net/db/boattypes.php

wrote:
I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?



Joe Della Barba June 28th 05 02:00 AM



On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:15:20 GMT, Red Cloud®
wrote:

On 27 Jun 2005 12:18:53 -0700, wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter


There is no such list. Almost any boat could be considered an offshore cruiser
if fitted out properly. People have crossed the Atlantic in sub-twelve foot
boats. You are better off if you don't start out with a total crapper like a
Coronado, or similar. A friend of mine circumnavigated a couple of years ago in
an old Pacific Seacraft Orion 27. In general, the boat is usually tougher and
more seaworthy than the captain and crew.

http://www.otternews.com/

rusty redcloud


Actually if you give us a budget you might get some suggestions.

Rosalie B. June 28th 05 04:22 AM

"cruisenews" wrote:

http://cruisenews.net/db/boattypes.php

wrote:
I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?


This is a long fairly inclusive list
http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

This one is about general principles
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/usedboats.htm

This is another long list which purports to be a scientific evaluation
http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/best.htm

And this is a discussion
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dietri...oatModels.html

grandma Rosalie

Maynard G. Krebbs June 28th 05 07:47 AM

On 27 Jun 2005 12:18:53 -0700, wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter



You could look he
http://cruisenews.net/index.php

or he
http://www.mahina.com/cruise.html
Scroll down the page or click the "Boats to Consider for Offshore
Cruising" page jump link.

Mark E. Williams


Rich Hampel June 28th 05 03:57 PM

An easier way is to follow those designers of specif-built 'blue water'
boats: Perry, Harris, Creighlock, Peterson, etc.

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wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have a link to a list of proven off shore cruisers? Maybe
boats from the 60's to now. Lengths 25 feet and up?

Thanks,
Peter


Glen \Wiley\ Wilson June 28th 05 07:17 PM

On 27 Jun 2005 15:16:22 -0700, wrote:

I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?


"Desirable and Undesirable Characteristics of the Offshore Yachts" by
Davis and Rousmaniere is a fairly good book, though a bit dated,
especially if you're into the modern higher tech "fast cruisers". I
really liked "Ted Brewer Explains Sailboat Design" by Brewer
(obviously) but it's long out of print.


















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Andy June 29th 05 06:53 PM

wrote:
I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?


Instead of looking at lists of boats I would suggest reading books by
offshore cruisers about their cruising experiences, including books
about people's experiences in storms. After reading about the issues
that cruisers deal with on a daily basis, and those they face during
storm conditions, you will start to get a feel for what to look for in
a boat.

Andy


Tim Mueller July 31st 05 03:14 PM

wrote:

I just asked so I'd have a starting point to do some reading about pros
and cons of the designs and what features people like. Then I'll have
an idea about what people are comparing.

Anyone else have suggestions about where I could look?

I'd suggest "Desirable and Undesirable Characteristics of Offshore
Yachts" by Stephen Davis and John Rousmaniere (Ed). It was written in
the aftermath of the Fastnet disaster as a "lessons learned."

And John Vigor's "Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat."



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