twoguns wrote:
Are there any better but legal options that could be
followed?

Leave your guns at home in the USA. Personal firearms are not permitted
outside of the USA and you are likely to get you locked up as a
terrorist or mercenary. In many countries a law enforcement officer who
sees a firearm in the hands of a civilian will shoot first and ask
questions later.

Men in the rest of the world do not watch too many cowboy movies and are
satisfied with the size of their dicks so they do not need dangerous toys.

Ahoy The
DAMN, this thread is over-run with pacifists. No fun at all
lecturing-to-the-choir.g
Almost left an American sailboat I was crewing on when crew member said
he'd draw his gun if someone tried to steal his camera! I rudely
suggested MY life was worth a bit more than HIS camera.g

Allan, the Canadian whimp

It would have been more accurate to say that your life was worth a bit more
TO YOU, than his camera was TO YOU. Your value to him may have been a lot
more than the camera, or possibly not depending on how well he liked you at
the moment ;-)

Don W.

LEnfantduVent wrote:

Ahoy The
DAMN, this thread is over-run with pacifists. No fun at all
lecturing-to-the-choir.g
Almost left an American sailboat I was crewing on when crew member said
he'd draw his gun if someone tried to steal his camera! I rudely
suggested MY life was worth a bit more than HIS camera.g

Allan, the Canadian whimp

In article ,
Don W wrote:

It would have been more accurate to say that your life was worth a bit more
TO YOU, than his camera was TO YOU. Your value to him may have been a lot
more than the camera, or possibly not depending on how well he liked you at
the moment ;-)

Don W.

Kind of like two guys out walking, and encountering a BIG Bear.....
Both started running, but one tripped the other, and as he kept going
stated, that he only had to faster than his companion........

Me

It could've been a Hasselblad or a Leica, yes? Besides, the guy said
he'd draw his gun - not use it - he may have meant charcoal sketching
it for sale in port. Paranoid Canadians! No wonder they don't get to
carry guns. ;-)

Don W wrote:
It would have been more accurate to say that your life was worth a bit more
TO YOU, than his camera was TO YOU. Your value to him may have been a lot
more than the camera, or possibly not depending on how well he liked you at
the moment ;-)

Men in the rest of the world do not watch too many cowboy movies and
are
satisfied with the size of their dicks so they do not need dangerous
toys.
************************************************** *************************************
The typical answer of a big prick who has no balls.
Dennis

Dennis,
Be very careful accepting advise from those that do not experience
international sailing. Their advise is not worth the bit space it arrived
on. Piracy today is actually a bigger problem than it has been at any time
in history. There have been numerous articles written in the press about
this problem for more than 20 years. In fact, there are very few safe
cruising areas worldwide. The causes of the problem are numerous, but drug
running is probably the most common with abject poverty being a close
second. There are some undisputable facts like, if you encounter a problem,
there will be no assistance. You cannot just dial 911. There is nobody home.
You are on your own. You should carry multple levels of defence, like common
sense, water cannons, mace and lastly firearms. All of those have zero value
without adequate training and ongoing practise. That said, guns are like
trucks and umbrellas, when you need one, you never need a little one. If you
have something and do not need it, you can throw it away. If however, one is
required and you don't have one, use your imagination. Please remember your
enemy for firearms is not the person, it is his engine. Never allow
strangers on board. Practise do diligence. Always maintain a deck watch. On
a practical note, when carrying firearms and you are entering a foreign
country always follow maritime rules. Do not initially find dock space. Drop
your hook, go ashore in your dingy and inprocess. Fly the correct flags.
Always declare your weapons and follow the advise of the authorities. Crimes
are punishable. Following the law is not a crime. You might lose your guns,
but not your freedom.
Steve

"twoguns" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have never been out of the U.S. coastal waters on a boat yet. Several
of my friends and I are planning an extensive world cruise in two
years. All of us have had extensive training in the use of firearms of
all types and we all enjoy shooting sports as a hobby. We all like
trapshooting so we will have at least 6 shotguns plus a few thousand
rounds. Add in personal weapons and there will be an extensive arsenal
on board. I know some countries absolutely prohibit personal firearms
so we will have to take precautions in certain waters. Mexico is one of
the most prohibitive I understand. Since we don't want to have an
international incident what procedures are best in a situation like
this? I have suggested we build a couple of watertight capsules for the
weapons and ammunition. With GPS and the appropriate eqipment we could
drop them overboard when entering restricted areas and then retrieve
them later. Are there any better but legal options that could be
followed?
TIA,
Dennis

To Steve Lasardi and others with good advice,
Thanks. You can bet before we leave we will have a list of all the laws
and regulations of any places we plan to visit plus a skipper familar
with the ports we will visit. The dinghy idea is great. One of the
group has a large Zodiac that we are planning on taking, it should be
great for that purpose. Although all of us in the group have been in
professions that required extensive training in firearms use we are
recreational shooters more than anything else. Defensive use is just
secondary. I have been looking for an excuse to buy a couple of the new
Ruger Stainless steel handguns and rifles. Sal****er environment will
be just the excuse to justify that expenditure.
Dennis

If you come to Australia, the Customs people will ask if you have
firearms aboard. Say yes and it's no drama, they'll take them off of
you and when you clear out of the country, they'll return them. I
believe they'll even transport them from your port of arrival to your
port of departure if given sufficient notice. I'd suggest having the
guns in lockable cases, then lock them in and have the Customs dudes
put a seal on when they take them away. Unless you have an Australian
firearms licence, you won't get to keep them in your possession. You do
*not* need firearms for defence against pirates in Australian waters.

Assuming you have a bonded locker aboard, I dunno. For a pleasure
vessel, I suspect they'd still take the guns. Maybe not the ammo if it
was locked up with a Customs seal. Ask.

I've owned guns all my life and legally I can carry guns on my boat, in
Australian waters, as I have a licence. I think that sailing with them
may well be more hassle than it's worth, if you're going foreign, and
probably wouldn't bother.

You decide. The Rugers are nice toys but if you bring them here and
don't declare them, you'll probably lose them, the boat, go to jail and
get deported. Much bigger risk than piracy, IMO.

PDW

In article .com,
twoguns wrote:

To Steve Lasardi and others with good advice,
Thanks. You can bet before we leave we will have a list of all the laws
and regulations of any places we plan to visit plus a skipper familar
with the ports we will visit. The dinghy idea is great. One of the
group has a large Zodiac that we are planning on taking, it should be
great for that purpose. Although all of us in the group have been in
professions that required extensive training in firearms use we are
recreational shooters more than anything else. Defensive use is just
secondary. I have been looking for an excuse to buy a couple of the new
Ruger Stainless steel handguns and rifles. Sal****er environment will
be just the excuse to justify that expenditure.
Dennis

In article ,
"Steve Lusardi" wrote:

Dennis,
Be very careful accepting advise from those that do not experience
international sailing. Their advise is not worth the bit space it arrived
on. Piracy today is actually a bigger problem than it has been at any time
in history. There have been numerous articles written in the press about
this problem for more than 20 years. In fact, there are very few safe
cruising areas worldwide. The causes of the problem are numerous, but drug
running is probably the most common with abject poverty being a close
second. There are some undisputable facts like, if you encounter a problem,
there will be no assistance. You cannot just dial 911. There is nobody home.
You are on your own. You should carry multple levels of defence, like common
sense, water cannons, mace and lastly firearms. All of those have zero value
without adequate training and ongoing practise. That said, guns are like
trucks and umbrellas, when you need one, you never need a little one. If you
have something and do not need it, you can throw it away. If however, one is
required and you don't have one, use your imagination. Please remember your
enemy for firearms is not the person, it is his engine. Never allow
strangers on board. Practise do diligence. Always maintain a deck watch. On
a practical note, when carrying firearms and you are entering a foreign
country always follow maritime rules. Do not initially find dock space. Drop
your hook, go ashore in your dingy and inprocess. Fly the correct flags.
Always declare your weapons and follow the advise of the authorities. Crimes
are punishable. Following the law is not a crime. You might lose your guns,
but not your freedom.
Steve


Very good advice......I suspect that the above poster actually knows
what a Customs Locker is, and what it is used for....... Every Commercial
Vessel I have ever been on had one, and upon entering any Port of Call,
it was used, and secured, as per International Convention. If only more
folks were more knowledgeable about such things, we wouldn't be subjected
to "Hip Deep Bull****" when this subject arises.....


Me one who has sailed, and lived to tell the tales......