Evan Gatehouse wrote:

In Canada there are two systems of boat ownership:

- Registered
- Licensed

If it is a registered vessel, you can easily check the title is clear of
liens.

If it is licensed it will have a number on the bow. In BC they usually
start "13K ....". Licensed vessels may have liens against them and you
won't be able to tell. Licenses are for smaller boats (under 15 gross
tons), effectively about 40' or so.

Evan Gatehouse

In some provinces...such as Nova Scotia, you can own a boat without
registering it (motor less than 10 hp).
I have an 18' 6" Sandpiper 565 mini cruiser trailerable sailboat with
6hp Evinrude and it is not registered.

Don White wrote:

In some provinces...such as Nova Scotia, you can own a boat without
registering it (motor less than 10 hp).
I have an 18' 6" Sandpiper 565 mini cruiser trailerable sailboat with
6hp Evinrude and it is not registered.


Forgot to say...it's not licensed either.

Don White wrote:
Evan Gatehouse wrote:

In Canada there are two systems of boat ownership:

- Registered
- Licensed

If it is a registered vessel, you can easily check the title is clear
of liens.

If it is licensed it will have a number on the bow. In BC they
usually start "13K ....". Licensed vessels may have liens against
them and you won't be able to tell. Licenses are for smaller boats
(under 15 gross tons), effectively about 40' or so.

Evan Gatehouse


In some provinces...such as Nova Scotia, you can own a boat without
registering it (motor less than 10 hp).
I have an 18' 6" Sandpiper 565 mini cruiser trailerable sailboat with
6hp Evinrude and it is not registered.

It's the same in BC. I think this actually a federal
regulation across Canada

Evan

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:17:56 -0700, Evan Gatehouse
wrote:


In some provinces...such as Nova Scotia, you can own a boat without
registering it (motor less than 10 hp).
I have an 18' 6" Sandpiper 565 mini cruiser trailerable sailboat with
6hp Evinrude and it is not registered.

It's the same in BC. I think this actually a federal
regulation across Canada

Evan

Yes - despite Marley's claims elsethread, vessel licensing is a
federal matter.

However, I understand that some canal systems in Ontario may require
that _all_ vessels, regardless of horsepower, must be licensed - but
that is a local requirement.

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Peter Bennett wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:17:56 -0700, Evan Gatehouse
wrote:



In some provinces...such as Nova Scotia, you can own a boat without
registering it (motor less than 10 hp).
I have an 18' 6" Sandpiper 565 mini cruiser trailerable sailboat with
6hp Evinrude and it is not registered.

It's the same in BC. I think this actually a federal
regulation across Canada

Evan


Yes - despite Marley's claims elsethread, vessel licensing is a
federal matter.

However, I understand that some canal systems in Ontario may require
that _all_ vessels, regardless of horsepower, must be licensed - but
that is a local requirement.


Still wrong Peter.

You are no doubt quite used to that though

In Canada there are two systems of boat ownership:

- Registered
- Licensed

If it is a registered vessel, you can easily check the title is clear of
liens.


This is completely incorrect. In Canada AND the USA, maritime law allows
that a lien, debt or encumerance CAN exist without being documented
anywhere.

M

I know nothing but I won't let that stop me. :-) In the US smaller
boats are registered with the state. The laws vary from state to state.
Some may not issue a certificate of title. If the state does issue
title, then it would keep track of liens. Larger boats (yachts) are
"documented" or registered with the US Coast Guard. I don't know about
those.

Tom
Of the Swee****er Sea

Denis Marier wrote:
I am a little uneasy to buy a used sailboat.
I do not know of any mechanism that can tell me if there are any monetary
liens against a sailboat. If I buy a boat and pay the seller in full who
will prove that I own the boat. The seller may still owe money to the bank
that makes the bank the real owner.
One of our club member did buy a boat in the US and managed to obtain
clearance from the lending institution. This may not always be the case.
Many are saying that I may have to hire the service of lawyer to get clear
ownership other suggested the service of a broker. In Canada, lawyers are
only responsible for what information they have access or made available to
them. I would appreciate any comments and suggestions
TIA

Tom Shilson wrote:

I know nothing but I won't let that stop me. :-) In the US smaller
boats are registered with the state. The laws vary from state to state.
Some may not issue a certificate of title. If the state does issue
title, then it would keep track of liens. Larger boats (yachts) are
"documented" or registered with the US Coast Guard. I don't know about
those.

Tom
Of the Swee****er Sea

Denis Marier wrote:

I am a little uneasy to buy a used sailboat.
I do not know of any mechanism that can tell me if there are any monetary
liens against a sailboat. If I buy a boat and pay the seller in full who
will prove that I own the boat. The seller may still owe money to the
bank
that makes the bank the real owner.
One of our club member did buy a boat in the US and managed to obtain
clearance from the lending institution. This may not always be the case.
Many are saying that I may have to hire the service of lawyer to get
clear
ownership other suggested the service of a broker. In Canada, lawyers
are
only responsible for what information they have access or made
available to
them. I would appreciate any comments and suggestions
TIA



Remarkable how little people understand maritime law as pertains to
liens, debts and encumerances.

Short answer: If a debt is incurred against a vessel (USA or Canada)
that debt is against the vessel, not the owner. Maritime law does NOT
require ANY registration of the debt, lien or encumerance in any manner.
All that is required is that the debt be provable. Whether the vessel is
registered federally or licensed provinically or state licensed, the
debt does NOT have to be "on title" to be enforceable. That is a FACT of
maritime law and if you are boat owners, you should know that! The debt
holder can if they choose register the debt, but they do NOT have to!

For example, say you buy a boat, pay for it and everythings good. Then 2
years later you wander into a marina where the previous owner damaged
the dock with that boat. The marina has every right in law to sieze you
vessel and demand payment before releasing it back to you. Of course you
then have every right to try to get the money out of the previous owner
if you can.

Folks, this ain't rocket science. Do a little research before spouting
bad information!

If the boat is USCG Documented and was financed, the lender is entitled to
have a "preferred mortgage" recorded against the vessel -- this is a
mortgage which is given status as a maritime lien. As such it enjoys a
certain priority in the event of default. In addition, the Coast Guard is
prohibited from making certain changes in documentation including, but not
limited to, change of vessel ownership, name, and hailing port without
consent of the mortgagee. For this reason many financial institutions
require vessels which are eligible for documentation to be documented and to
have preferred mortgages recorded against them.

If the vessel is documented, and many of the more upscale recreational
vessels are, you can pay a fee and get official records of liens against the
vessel. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/nvdc.htm

If the boat's not documented and has only state registration, the
certificate of title in most states will show an unpaid lien. Contact the
boat registration unit of the particular state of interest and just ask
about it. Some may have websites with the information you seek.

You will want to pay a fee for a certified copy of title. And you'll also
want the sales contract to have the owner's sworn statement about liens and
his release and indemnification.

Len
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"Denis Marier" wrote in message
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I am a little uneasy to buy a used sailboat.
I do not know of any mechanism that can tell me if there are any monetary
liens against a sailboat. If I buy a boat and pay the seller in full who
will prove that I own the boat. The seller may still owe money to the bank
that makes the bank the real owner.
One of our club member did buy a boat in the US and managed to obtain
clearance from the lending institution. This may not always be the case.
Many are saying that I may have to hire the service of lawyer to get clear
ownership other suggested the service of a broker. In Canada, lawyers are
only responsible for what information they have access or made available
to
them. I would appreciate any comments and suggestions
TIA