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Another odor inquiry for Peggie
Peggie,
The boat we just bought has been laid up on shore for six years. The poly holding tank looked very clean when I inspected it and the boat was always in fresh water. It was also used continuously for ten years before being laid up. I know I have to lube and renovate the head. Here's the question: Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. -- Roger Long |
Roger Long wrote: Peggie, Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. If the hoses do stink, wrapping them in Saran Wrap (only Saran, not Glad or any other brand..Saran is the only wrap that's totally odor-impermeable) should provide enough of a "band aid" solution to keep things bearable for a single season. Just be sure to wrap every inch of hose...secure it with duct tape or electrical tape. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
Great idea! Thanks.
I'll try to remember to let you know how it smells so you'll have a datapoint on hoses that have dried for six years. Wouldn't it be easier to just saran warp the nostrils? -- Roger Long "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: Peggie, Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. If the hoses do stink, wrapping them in Saran Wrap (only Saran, not Glad or any other brand..Saran is the only wrap that's totally odor-impermeable) should provide enough of a "band aid" solution to keep things bearable for a single season. Just be sure to wrap every inch of hose...secure it with duct tape or electrical tape. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Great idea! Thanks. I'll try to remember to let you know how it smells so you'll have a datapoint on hoses that have dried for six years. Wouldn't it be easier to just saran warp the nostrils? -- Roger Long "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: Peggie, Will all the nasties have died in the last six years or are they just lying dormant in permeated hoses and other places waiting to blossom into life as soon as the salt water hits. One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. I'm planning a complete replacement of everything but hoping I can get through this season without handing out clothespins for the crew's noses. If the hoses do stink, wrapping them in Saran Wrap (only Saran, not Glad or any other brand..Saran is the only wrap that's totally odor-impermeable) should provide enough of a "band aid" solution to keep things bearable for a single season. Just be sure to wrap every inch of hose...secure it with duct tape or electrical tape. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 One way to find out: it's not salt water that'll "wake up" any permeated hoses...it's warmth. So you can find out very quickly whether the hoses have become permeated if you can warm up the areas they pass through. If the boat has been laid up for 6 years I would think everything has dried out pretty well. Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Why not fill the system with 10% bleach, let it sit for a few days and then flush out? Should kill anything that might still be alive after 6 years of dessication. |
Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally
dry? Spores. -- Roger Long |
I seem to remember reading somewhere that bleach can be bad for some
hoses and such. . . . but I only have a vague notion and it doesn't seem like 10% would be that bad. What is the best thing to "flush" your system with to clean it out? I use that blue cleaner stuff that RVers sometimes use |
Gordon Wedman wrote:
Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Try re-hydrating anything rotten that's totally dried out and leave it in warm sun for a day or two. Trust me...it'll start to stink again. Why not fill the system with 10% bleach, let it sit for a few days and then flush out? Should kill anything that might still be alive after 6 years of dessication. Because bleach--or any cleaning products that contain bleach--should never be used in a marine toilet and hoses...it's highly damaging to the rubber parts in toilets and also breaks down flex PVC, contributing to odor permeation. Same is true of household chemical toilet bowl cleaners, pine oil cleaners, Lysol, any petroleum based products, and all other chemical cleaning products...none of 'em should ever be used in a marine sanitation system. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
Whistledown wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that bleach can be bad for some hoses and such. . . . but I only have a vague notion and it doesn't seem like 10% would be that bad. What is the best thing to "flush" your system with to clean it out? Clean fresh water is all you need 90% of the time. At the end of the season, clean fresh water and detergent.Wisk is best, but any laundry detergent that doesn't contain bleach is ok...or Dawn or any of the other dishwashing liquids. Avoid Oxiclean and similar products...they're oxidizers, and oxidizers promote oxidation (rust, corrosion). -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Spores. -- Roger Long Spores need water to germinate. That's the whole point of my comment. If everything is bone dry they are going to remain dormant no matter how warm things get. If you smell anything its from decomposition not growth. As for 10% bleach damaging hoses, I suppose a very thin layer of hose might be degraded but hoses are pretty thick. If you have any kind of scum inside the hose the bleach will attack that before it gets to the hose. After a few days all the oxidizing power of the bleach is lost and you've basically got a weak solution of sodium chloride. By the way, when I suggest 10% bleach I mean a 10% dilution of household bleach. Household bleach is about 5% sodium hypochlorite so 10% gives you a 0.5% final solution. That's 1 gallon of household bleach to 9 gallons of water. I think there are more concentrated solutions of sodium or calcium hypochlorite available for "super chlorinating" swimming pools and water supply systems. You don't want to use these. |
Undiluted white vinegar is the best thing for hoses...it not only
reduces odor, but also dissolves sea water minerals. And won't hurt the toilet or the hoses. However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. Gordon Wedman wrote: "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Spores. -- Roger Long Spores need water to germinate. That's the whole point of my comment. If everything is bone dry they are going to remain dormant no matter how warm things get. If you smell anything its from decomposition not growth. As for 10% bleach damaging hoses, I suppose a very thin layer of hose might be degraded but hoses are pretty thick. If you have any kind of scum inside the hose the bleach will attack that before it gets to the hose. After a few days all the oxidizing power of the bleach is lost and you've basically got a weak solution of sodium chloride. By the way, when I suggest 10% bleach I mean a 10% dilution of household bleach. Household bleach is about 5% sodium hypochlorite so 10% gives you a 0.5% final solution. That's 1 gallon of household bleach to 9 gallons of water. I think there are more concentrated solutions of sodium or calcium hypochlorite available for "super chlorinating" swimming pools and water supply systems. You don't want to use these. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 |
"Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN |
"Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote in : "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN Why don't you get lost, Capt. Neal. I get a little tired of people like you who don't appreciate the free help I offer everybody with their marine sanitation questions. If you don't like what I have to say why do you even bother reading my posts? Soo many assholes, so little time... If it weren't for assholes you would be out of business, Dearie! Silly broad, doesn't even know which side of her bread the butter's on . . . CN |
My life has been so much easier after I put the address og
this sick and destructive person in my killfilter ... I don't waste so much time deleting lots of b---s---, and I can devote my time to readable, interesting, funny and constructive mails - as for example: Yours - thank you! "Peggie Hall" skrev i en meddelelse ... Capt. Neal® wrote in : "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN Why don't you get lost, Capt. Neal. I get a little tired of people like you who don't appreciate the free help I offer everybody with their marine sanitation questions. If you don't like what I have to say why do you even bother reading my posts? Soo many assholes, so little time... -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1787 Author "Get Rid of Motorboats Owners - A Guide to Marine Sanctification Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Motors" http://www.seaunworthy.com/store/customer/product.php? productid=smelly=6&page=1 |
Peggie Hall wrote:
Capt. Neal® wrote in : "Peggie Hall" wrote in message . com... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN Why don't you get lost, Capt. Neal. I get a little tired of people like you who don't appreciate the free help I offer everybody with their marine sanitation questions. If you don't like what I have to say why do you even bother reading my posts? Soo many assholes, so little time... Nothing hurts that cretin more that being ignored Peggy. Please don't reply to him. Very few people do anymore. Thanks JR |
Red Cloud© wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:03:15 -0400, JR Gilbreath wrote: Peggie Hall wrote: Capt. Neal® wrote in : "Peggie Hall" wrote in message y.com... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN Why don't you get lost, Capt. Neal. I get a little tired of people like you who don't appreciate the free help I offer everybody with their marine sanitation questions. If you don't like what I have to say why do you even bother reading my posts? Soo many assholes, so little time... Nothing hurts that cretin more that being ignored Peggy. Please don't reply to him. Very few people do anymore. Thanks JR You should look at headers before replying to a post that seems out of character, as this one did. The "cretin" is posting under his own "name" and then replying to himself as Peggy. Pretty desperate, but not surprising. rusty redcloud Sorry my mistake, and you are right it not surprising he talks to himself. JR |
Peggie Hall took the bait:
Tragically, somewhere a village is being deprived of its idiot, and we're keeping him here, distracted from his life's work when we respond to him. Learn to use your killfile. |
Red Cloud© wrote:
Duh! How about learning how to read headers. You've been HAD! (Ignoramuses like proddy just go to show that having your head up your posterior makes you an easy target.) rusty redcloud I'm not quite sure what I've done to deserve your slope-browed "criticism", such as it was, but one thing is for certain. You've earned a place next to the village idiot in my bozo bin. *plink* |
"prodigal1" wrote in message ... Red Cloud© wrote: Duh! How about learning how to read headers. You've been HAD! (Ignoramuses like proddy just go to show that having your head up your posterior makes you an easy target.) rusty redcloud I'm not quite sure what I've done to deserve your slope-browed "criticism", such as it was, but one thing is for certain. You've earned a place next to the village idiot in my bozo bin. *plink* What a gay-sounding plonk but plonking redclod means you'll not be missing anything worthwhile. CN |
prodigal1 wrote:
Red Cloud© wrote: Duh! How about learning how to read headers. You've been HAD! (Ignoramuses like proddy just go to show that having your head up your posterior makes you an easy target.) rusty redcloud I'm not quite sure what I've done to deserve your slope-browed "criticism", such as it was, but one thing is for certain. You've earned a place next to the village idiot in my bozo bin. *plink* Red Cloud may indeed be plonk-worthy (even plink-worthy), but in this case he has a point. Both of Peggie's apparent responses to Neal were actually forgeries by Neal himself. By responding to the forgeries you play into his game. |
"prodigal1" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote in : prodigal1 wrote: Red Cloud© wrote: Duh! How about learning how to read headers. You've been HAD! (Ignoramuses like proddy just go to show that having your head up your posterior makes you an easy target.) rusty redcloud I'm not quite sure what I've done to deserve your slope-browed "criticism", such as it was, but one thing is for certain. You've earned a place next to the village idiot in my bozo bin. *plink* Red Cloud may indeed be plonk-worthy (even plink-worthy), but in this case he has a point. Both of Peggie's apparent responses to Neal were actually forgeries by Neal himself. By responding to the forgeries you play into his game. Mind your own business, please. I see no reason for you to be giving yet another slope brow response. Besides, people who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Way to go, boy! That's tellin' him... CN |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, "Roger Long" wrote:
Sorry I snipped your post. I am the reallly. really, bad guy in rec.boats. Peggie would never receive treatment from me like I gleefully do to others. Peggie is one of the people I most admire. Thank you Peggie for all you have contributed from the goodness of your heart. Bless you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services. The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header is unverified. You need a valid hashcash token to post to groups other than alt.test and alt.anonymous.messages. Visit www.panta-rhei.dyndns.org for abuse and hashcash info. |
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Red Cloud may indeed be plonk-worthy (even plink-worthy), but in this case he has a point. Both of Peggie's apparent responses to Neal were actually forgeries by Neal himself. Forgeries? Bull****. Forgeries may not be the correct term, but I didn't post any of 'em. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 |
Peggie,
Just put him in your bozo bin. It's not worth it. He's got problems that can't be solved here. Jonathan -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote in : "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN Why don't you get lost, Capt. Neal. I get a little tired of people like you who don't appreciate the free help I offer everybody with their marine sanitation questions. If you don't like what I have to say why do you even bother reading my posts? Soo many assholes, so little time... -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1787 Author "Get Rid of Motorboats Owners - A Guide to Marine Sanctification Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Motors" http://www.seaunworthy.com/store/customer/product.php? productid=smelly=6&page=1 |
"JG" wrote in message ... Peggie, Just put him in your bozo bin. It's not worth it. He's got problems that can't be solved here. Jonathan -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com The alt.sailing.asa netKKKop wags his tongue and shows his ignorance! If you got your head out of your posterior once in a while, Gaynz, and stopped wasting so much time writing abuse complaints you might have time to read headers so you wouldn't waste even more of your time responding to socks. CN "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote in : "Peggie Hall" wrote in message m... However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. That little, huh? CN Why don't you get lost, Capt. Neal. I get a little tired of people like you who don't appreciate the free help I offer everybody with their marine sanitation questions. If you don't like what I have to say why do you even bother reading my posts? Soo many assholes, so little time... -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1787 Author "Get Rid of Motorboats Owners - A Guide to Marine Sanctification Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Motors" http://www.seaunworthy.com/store/customer/product.php? productid=smelly=6&page=1 |
"Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Gordon Wedman wrote: Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Try re-hydrating anything rotten that's totally dried out and leave it in warm sun for a day or two. Trust me...it'll start to stink again. Why not fill the system with 10% bleach, let it sit for a few days and then flush out? Should kill anything that might still be alive after 6 years of dessication. Because bleach--or any cleaning products that contain bleach--should never be used in a marine toilet and hoses...it's highly damaging to the rubber parts in toilets and also breaks down flex PVC, contributing to odor permeation. Did you not elsewhere state that it is probably better to use fresh water to flush the head instead of salt water? Do you know that most fresh potable water is treated with chlorine to make it safe to drink? Some is disinfected using chloramines (chlorine and ammonia) Seems like a discrepancy in your statements to me. The active ingredient in bleach is chlorine. Why is potable water not damaging when it contains chlorine while bleach which contains chlorine is so damaging. Enquiring minds wish to know. CN |
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:27 +0000 (UTC), Peggie Hall
wrote: prodigal1 wrote in : "Red Cloud©" wrote in : Gogarty wrote in news:d4tikg$mfb$2 @snarf.databasix.com: er (The wrecked boats OT posting hater) wrote in : On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, "Roger Long" wrote: Sorry I snipped your post. I am the reallly. really, bad guy in rec.boats. Peggie would never receive treatment from me like I gleefully do to others. Peggie is one of the people I most admire. Thank you Peggie for all you have contributed from the goodness of your heart. Bless you. You'd better stay away from my girlfriend, or else! Gogarthy Up yours! Peggie's MY girlfriend. Stay away from her. rusty redclod You're both wrong. She's my girlfriend, Both of you stay away from her. Or else! Boys, boys! Now stop that. There's more than enough of me to go around (Wow, is there ever!). I can never have too many fans. :-) Speaking of fans, did you all know that having a couple of fans in the head closet makes mildew control much easier? Yes, it's true. Do you have to turn them on? :) -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
m... Undiluted white vinegar is the best thing for hoses...it not only reduces odor, but also dissolves sea water minerals. And won't hurt the toilet or the hoses. However, it's your boat, Gordon...I can only advise and pass on what I've learned over the last 20 years. Gordon Wedman wrote: "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Don't see how nasties are going to wake up if everything is totally dry? Spores. -- Roger Long Spores need water to germinate. That's the whole point of my comment. If everything is bone dry they are going to remain dormant no matter how warm things get. If you smell anything its from decomposition not growth. As for 10% bleach damaging hoses, I suppose a very thin layer of hose might be degraded but hoses are pretty thick. If you have any kind of scum inside the hose the bleach will attack that before it gets to the hose. After a few days all the oxidizing power of the bleach is lost and you've basically got a weak solution of sodium chloride. By the way, when I suggest 10% bleach I mean a 10% dilution of household bleach. Household bleach is about 5% sodium hypochlorite so 10% gives you a 0.5% final solution. That's 1 gallon of household bleach to 9 gallons of water. I think there are more concentrated solutions of sodium or calcium hypochlorite available for "super chlorinating" swimming pools and water supply systems. You don't want to use these. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 Well I've not actually put any diluted bleach in my own system. I don't have any odour problems. I just provided the info in case someone wants to kill off all the bugs. 10% bleach is a good general disinfectant. I agree that vinegar is going to be good at dissolving mineral deposits and possibly some critters as well. I suppose the acidity would kill off a lot of microorganisms as well but if you flushed out the tank afterwards and had some residual dilute vinegar in there it might actually serve as food for some other type of bug. Just need to flush well I guess. |
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:11:26 GMT,
Red Cloud© wrote: You should look at headers before replying to a post that seems out of character, as this one did. The "cretin" is posting under his own "name" and then replying to himself as Peggy. Pretty desperate, but not surprising. rusty redcloud OK, that's going up there on the "lamest usenet activity" list. "Neal" gets more and more pathetic by the day. -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock Instruction ends in the schoolroom -- but education ends only with life. -- Publilius Syrus. |
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