Lubricating head
 

A while back, Peggy mentioned lubricating the head with a Teflon
grease that you squirt in via the shaft seal, I gather.

Anyone have a brand name?

Thanks
Larry Bradley VE3CRX
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Larry Bradley wrote:
A while back, Peggy mentioned lubricating the head with a Teflon
grease that you squirt in via the shaft seal, I gather.

I'm not sure what you mean by "via the shaft seal." How to get it into
the pump depends on which make/model toilet and what you have to do gain
access to the inside of the pump to squirt about a tablespoon of it into it.

Anyone have a brand name?

SupeLube--their thick grease in a tube, not the spray or liquid--is the
best...but any will do.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

With the previous Brydon made head I had to strip the pump and lubricate it
to get smooth running of the piston. The new one an ITT PAR Toilet - Manual
is better but the problem is still there. Unless I can find a way better to
lubricate the inside of the pump's cylinder and piston I have no other way
then to take the pump apart. Maybe someone has a better way to lubricate
the moving parts.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Larry Bradley wrote:
A while back, Peggy mentioned lubricating the head with a Teflon
grease that you squirt in via the shaft seal, I gather.

I'm not sure what you mean by "via the shaft seal." How to get it into
the pump depends on which make/model toilet and what you have to do gain
access to the inside of the pump to squirt about a tablespoon of it into
it.

Anyone have a brand name?

SupeLube--their thick grease in a tube, not the spray or liquid--is the
best...but any will do.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

Look at :

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|315132&id=807


Hanz


Denis Marier wrote:
With the previous Brydon made head I had to strip the pump and lubricate it
to get smooth running of the piston. The new one an ITT PAR Toilet - Manual
is better but the problem is still there. Unless I can find a way better to
lubricate the inside of the pump's cylinder and piston I have no other way
then to take the pump apart. Maybe someone has a better way to lubricate
the moving parts.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...

Larry Bradley wrote:

A while back, Peggy mentioned lubricating the head with a Teflon
grease that you squirt in via the shaft seal, I gather.

I'm not sure what you mean by "via the shaft seal." How to get it into
the pump depends on which make/model toilet and what you have to do gain
access to the inside of the pump to squirt about a tablespoon of it into

it.

Anyone have a brand name?

SupeLube--their thick grease in a tube, not the spray or liquid--is the
best...but any will do.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"


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OK Peggy, Thanks. I have a Jabsco manual pump. From a previous post, I
got the impression that you could get this stuff in via the shaft
seal. But taking the pump apart is no big problem. As long as I do it
BEFORE the first usage this spring :)


Peggie Hall wrote:

Larry Bradley wrote:
A while back, Peggy mentioned lubricating the head with a Teflon
grease that you squirt in via the shaft seal, I gather.

I'm not sure what you mean by "via the shaft seal." How to get it into
the pump depends on which make/model toilet and what you have to do gain
access to the inside of the pump to squirt about a tablespoon of it into it.

Anyone have a brand name?

SupeLube--their thick grease in a tube, not the spray or liquid--is the
best...but any will do.

Larry Bradley VE3CRX
Remove "removeme" from my e-mail address for direct mail
Ottawa, Canada

(use the e-mail address above to send directly to me)

Denis Marier wrote:
With the previous Brydon made head I had to strip the pump and lubricate it
to get smooth running of the piston. The new one an ITT PAR Toilet - Manual
is better but the problem is still there. Unless I can find a way better to
lubricate the inside of the pump's cylinder and piston I have no other way
then to take the pump apart. Maybe someone has a better way to lubricate
the moving parts.

No need to take the pump apart...just remove the top. And on a Jabsco,
it's easy: on older models, remove the 6 six screws and lift it...newer
models, just loosen the hex nut and lift it. Put a healthy squirt of the
grease into the pump...pump a few time to spread it all over the inside
of the cylinder...replace the top. Should take all of 10 minutes, if
that long.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

Thanks, the hex. nut was easy to remove. Now all I have to do is to get
some Teflon grease and be careful not to twist the O'ring when screwing back
the hex nut.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Denis Marier wrote:
With the previous Brydon made head I had to strip the pump and lubricate
it
to get smooth running of the piston. The new one an ITT PAR Toilet -
Manual
is better but the problem is still there. Unless I can find a way
better to
lubricate the inside of the pump's cylinder and piston I have no other
way
then to take the pump apart. Maybe someone has a better way to
lubricate
the moving parts.

No need to take the pump apart...just remove the top. And on a Jabsco,
it's easy: on older models, remove the 6 six screws and lift it...newer
models, just loosen the hex nut and lift it. Put a healthy squirt of the
grease into the pump...pump a few time to spread it all over the inside
of the cylinder...replace the top. Should take all of 10 minutes, if
that long.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Denis Marier wrote:
With the previous Brydon made head I had to strip the pump and lubricate
it
to get smooth running of the piston. The new one an ITT PAR Toilet -
Manual
is better but the problem is still there. Unless I can find a way better
to
lubricate the inside of the pump's cylinder and piston I have no other
way
then to take the pump apart. Maybe someone has a better way to lubricate
the moving parts.

No need to take the pump apart...just remove the top. And on a Jabsco,
it's easy: on older models, remove the 6 six screws and lift it...newer
models, just loosen the hex nut and lift it. Put a healthy squirt of the
grease into the pump...pump a few time to spread it all over the inside of
the cylinder...replace the top. Should take all of 10 minutes, if that
long.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

I just serviced my Jabsco and it made a world of difference. I removed the
6 screws and pulled off the top. I had a bit of water trickling past the
inlet valve so I closed the seacock. I then used a small diameter
toilet-type brush and warm soapy water to scrub out the pump cylinder. I
then filled the cylinder and toilet with vinegar and let it sit overnight.
Used my wet/dry vac to suck out the vinegar next day. Dried out the pump
cylinder with paper towels. I coated the pump plunger with silicon grease
and also the cylinder as far down as I could reach. I put in the plunger
and worked it a few times and then repeated the grease application. Now I
can operate the pump with 1 finger.
On the silicon grease, I have some old laboratory silicon grease that was
used on glass-to-glass joints. I tried using silicon grease from an auto
parts supply store, the stuff they put on rubber bushings in car
suspensions. It didn't work too well as it was quite sticky.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:27:16 GMT, "Denis Marier"
wrote:

With the previous Brydon made head I had to strip the pump and lubricate it
to get smooth running of the piston. The new one an ITT PAR Toilet - Manual
is better but the problem is still there. Unless I can find a way better to
lubricate the inside of the pump's cylinder and piston I have no other way
then to take the pump apart. Maybe someone has a better way to lubricate
the moving parts.

When things get a little sticky I just flush a couple of tablespoons
of olive oil and it gets much smoother. No adverse consequences I've
noticed over the years.

Ryk

Ryk wrote:
When things get a little sticky I just flush a couple of tablespoons
of olive oil and it gets much smoother. No adverse consequences I've
noticed over the years.

Waiting till "things get a little sticky" is tantamount to waiting till
your engine starts to smoke before adding any oil...'cuz toilets don't
GET "a little sticky" till all the lubrication is gone, and every time
you pump a "sticky" manual toilet wears the seals and o-rings.

So yes, what you're doing is...ok, but wears out the rubber parts in
your toilet faster, and is also a never-ending job every few
weeks...whereas an annual shot of thick teflon grease once a year as
PREVENTIVE maintence is only a 10 min. job once a year and extemds the
life of the seals and o-rings by years.

But...it's your boat...and if you don't mind spending twice as much for
olive oil as you need to, and are happy taking your toilet apart at
least once a year to replace rubber parts one at a time instead of just
rebuilding it once every 5-6 years, it's ok with me.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

I went shopping for Teflon grease with no success.
Bearing grease is listed as water resistant
Is there any good equilvalent to Teflon grease. At the end of the day I may
have to order Teflon grease from one of those Marine Internet stores. With
the price of gasoline looking for grease could cost more than the cost of
shipping.

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
Ryk wrote:
When things get a little sticky I just flush a couple of tablespoons
of olive oil and it gets much smoother. No adverse consequences I've
noticed over the years.

Waiting till "things get a little sticky" is tantamount to waiting till
your engine starts to smoke before adding any oil...'cuz toilets don't
GET "a little sticky" till all the lubrication is gone, and every time
you pump a "sticky" manual toilet wears the seals and o-rings.

So yes, what you're doing is...ok, but wears out the rubber parts in
your toilet faster, and is also a never-ending job every few
weeks...whereas an annual shot of thick teflon grease once a year as
PREVENTIVE maintence is only a 10 min. job once a year and extemds the
life of the seals and o-rings by years.

But...it's your boat...and if you don't mind spending twice as much for
olive oil as you need to, and are happy taking your toilet apart at
least once a year to replace rubber parts one at a time instead of just
rebuilding it once every 5-6 years, it's ok with me.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:04:54 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

Ryk wrote:
When things get a little sticky I just flush a couple of tablespoons
of olive oil and it gets much smoother. No adverse consequences I've
noticed over the years.

Waiting till "things get a little sticky" is tantamount to waiting till
your engine starts to smoke before adding any oil...'cuz toilets don't
GET "a little sticky" till all the lubrication is gone, and every time
you pump a "sticky" manual toilet wears the seals and o-rings.

So yes, what you're doing is...ok, but wears out the rubber parts in
your toilet faster, and is also a never-ending job every few
weeks...whereas an annual shot of thick teflon grease once a year as
PREVENTIVE maintence is only a 10 min. job once a year and extemds the
life of the seals and o-rings by years.

But...it's your boat...and if you don't mind spending twice as much for
olive oil as you need to, and are happy taking your toilet apart at
least once a year to replace rubber parts one at a time instead of just
rebuilding it once every 5-6 years, it's ok with me.

It must be either a fresh vs salt difference, or I am lubing it more
often than you think, or something. It has been 4 years since the head
was last serviced and everything is working fine. (The same was true
for 9 years on our previous boat when we sold it.) Admittedly, it is
not in full time use. Dribbling in a little olive oil after pumping
out doesn't seem like a job the way opening the pump does and the
expense is negligible.

Ryk

I have done this for years in salt water.
First I had to look for and unscrew the bottle containing the olive oil and
then flush a couple of tablespoons of oil. Not to mention my wife getting
upset at me for using her olive oil.
Now, I have to unscrew the hex nut at the piston rod below the pump handle
and insert some grease. The time and motion involved are about similar.
Lubrication of the piston is quicker than having to move the sticky pump
handle up and down to get to olive oil to coat the moving parts. Not to
mention that still going to have olive oil on board.

"Ryk" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:04:54 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

Ryk wrote:
When things get a little sticky I just flush a couple of tablespoons
of olive oil and it gets much smoother. No adverse consequences I've
noticed over the years.

Waiting till "things get a little sticky" is tantamount to waiting till
your engine starts to smoke before adding any oil...'cuz toilets don't
GET "a little sticky" till all the lubrication is gone, and every time
you pump a "sticky" manual toilet wears the seals and o-rings.

So yes, what you're doing is...ok, but wears out the rubber parts in
your toilet faster, and is also a never-ending job every few
weeks...whereas an annual shot of thick teflon grease once a year as
PREVENTIVE maintence is only a 10 min. job once a year and extemds the
life of the seals and o-rings by years.

But...it's your boat...and if you don't mind spending twice as much for
olive oil as you need to, and are happy taking your toilet apart at
least once a year to replace rubber parts one at a time instead of just
rebuilding it once every 5-6 years, it's ok with me.

It must be either a fresh vs salt difference, or I am lubing it more
often than you think, or something. It has been 4 years since the head
was last serviced and everything is working fine. (The same was true
for 9 years on our previous boat when we sold it.) Admittedly, it is
not in full time use. Dribbling in a little olive oil after pumping
out doesn't seem like a job the way opening the pump does and the
expense is negligible.

Ryk

Haven't you written elsewhere that the olive oil will prevent the necessary
air from getting to the contents of the holding tank?

It depends on how much oil. A tablespoon once every couple of weeks
prob'ly won't cause any problems...but one or more "glugs" of it down
the toilet at once will put an "oil slick" on the surface of the tank
contents that will seal it, turning the contents below anaerobic...and
therefore VERY ripe.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1