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Cruisers vs liveaboards and sailboat ghettos
Yesterday when I was visiting my boat in Bradenton, FL, I realized
that most of the boats there were occupied by liveaboards. However, I also noticed that none of the boats had been moved since I left a month ago. It seems there is a large number of people who liveaboard but really do not go anywhere. This is probably obvious to everybody else but it had never occurred to me. Later, I was looking around Bradenton for other possible less expensive places to put my boat and noticed many boats anchored on the west side of the ICW near the Bradenton Municipal pier. I asked around and found that many people anchor ther for free for months. However, looking closer, I saw that most of these boats really looked trashed out so decided that $289/month in the marina may not be too bad for a few months. What are other peoples feelings about such sailboat ghettos? |
Sorry that you feel your choice of lifestyle is the correct one
and others are wrong. Doug s/v Callista (former longtime liveaboard) wrote in message oups.com... Yesterday when I was visiting my boat in Bradenton, FL, I realized that most of the boats there were occupied by liveaboards. However, I also noticed that none of the boats had been moved since I left a month ago. It seems there is a large number of people who liveaboard but really do not go anywhere. This is probably obvious to everybody else but it had never occurred to me. Later, I was looking around Bradenton for other possible less expensive places to put my boat and noticed many boats anchored on the west side of the ICW near the Bradenton Municipal pier. I asked around and found that many people anchor ther for free for months. However, looking closer, I saw that most of these boats really looked trashed out so decided that $289/month in the marina may not be too bad for a few months. What are other peoples feelings about such sailboat ghettos? |
wrote in message oups.com... Yesterday when I was visiting my boat in Bradenton, FL, I realized that most of the boats there were occupied by liveaboards. However, I also noticed that none of the boats had been moved since I left a month ago. It seems there is a large number of people who liveaboard but really do not go anywhere. This is probably obvious to everybody else but it had never occurred to me. Later, I was looking around Bradenton for other possible less expensive places to put my boat and noticed many boats anchored on the west side of the ICW near the Bradenton Municipal pier. I asked around and found that many people anchor ther for free for months. However, looking closer, I saw that most of these boats really looked trashed out so decided that $289/month in the marina may not be too bad for a few months. What are other peoples feelings about such sailboat ghettos? Hundreds of thousands of Chinese boat people can't be wrong . . . CN |
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Doug Dotson wrote:
Sorry that you feel your choice of lifestyle is the correct one and others are wrong. Next O'Hara will be telling us we all speak prose. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
"Rosalie B." wrote in message ... wrote: Yesterday when I was visiting my boat in Bradenton, FL, I realized that most of the boats there were occupied by liveaboards. However, I also noticed that none of the boats had been moved since I left a month ago. It seems there is a large number of people who liveaboard but really do not go anywhere. This is probably obvious to everybody else but it had never occurred to me. Is mostly obvious to people that are in marinas where people live aboard. It is MUCH harder to get out and sail if you are living aboard, especially if you work ashore. Unless you are actively cruising, of course. If you move every couple of days, the boat is still set up for it. If not - there's all kinds of stuff to be put away and other stuff to be gotten out. A generalization. Later, I was looking around Bradenton for other possible less expensive places to put my boat and noticed many boats anchored on the west side of the ICW near the Bradenton Municipal pier. I asked around and found that many people anchor ther for free for months. However, looking closer, I saw that most of these boats really looked trashed out so decided that $289/month in the marina may not be too bad for a few months. What are other peoples feelings about such sailboat ghettos? I guess that there is a fine line between a boat that is heavily sailed and one that is trashed out. That's a really good price esp. for FL. I think the boats that are anchored or moored, unless people are living aboard they do tend to get grungy looking. Especially if there is difficulty in getting materials from shore. I know people who anchor out all the time and almost never come into a marina, and their boats are perfectly nice. Good point. But a boat that is vacant, whether it is in a marina or anchored or moored, can go downhill pretty quickly. An abandoned boat is a shame, but not illegal in many places. grandma Rosalie |
I was not making any sort of judgement over liveaboards vs cruisers. I
was simply stating that the idea of living aboard without cruising had never occurred to me. After seeing some of these peoples boats, I can easily understand it though, especially if they simply want to be on the water. A house or apt can be very expensive while a boat slip is fairly cheap. I s'pose I'd rather have the bay as my backyard than a freeway. As far as the boats anchored at Bradenton for months, how long can you anchor before you stop cruising and simply become a liveaboard? My impression (and it is based on little data) is that these boats are NOT really going anywhere soon. Most did not seem well kept up and most had serious bottom growth. Being trashed out is prob not a function of the kind of ppl who live on them but the difficulty of maintenance or the ease of vandalism by others. I was taken aback by so many poorly maintained boats in one place so easily seen and wonder if this might contribute to anchoring restrictions we often hear about. |
I think $289/month is VERY expensive compared to North FL. I have
heard that on the Fl east coast it is much worse. |
wrote in message oups.com... I was not making any sort of judgement over liveaboards vs cruisers. I was simply stating that the idea of living aboard without cruising had never occurred to me. And, it never occurred to you to raise your son to obey the law and not use illegal drugs? You play a father without fathering so it's no wonder it never occurred to you that some people live in boats. After seeing some of these peoples boats, I can easily understand it though, especially if they simply want to be on the water. A house or apt can be very expensive while a boat slip is fairly cheap. I s'pose I'd rather have the bay as my backyard than a freeway. Beats the prison bars your son is headed for because his daddy is a failure. As far as the boats anchored at Bradenton for months, how long can you anchor before you stop cruising and simply become a liveaboard? How long can you be a father before you stop being a self-centered asshole who allows your kid(s) to use illegal drugs? My impression (and it is based on little data) is that these boats are NOT really going anywhere soon. Most did not seem well kept up and most had serious bottom growth. Being trashed out is prob not a function of the kind of ppl who live on them but the difficulty of maintenance or the ease of vandalism by others. I was taken aback by so many poorly maintained boats in one place so easily seen and wonder if this might contribute to anchoring restrictions we often hear about. I could say the same thing about poorly maintained families . . . CN |
$11 per foot in Ft Pierce Fl :(
wrote in message oups.com... I think $289/month is VERY expensive compared to North FL. I have heard that on the Fl east coast it is much worse. |
wrote in message oups.com... I was not making any sort of judgement over liveaboards vs cruisers. I was simply stating that the idea of living aboard without cruising had never occurred to me. After seeing some of these peoples boats, I can easily understand it though, especially if they simply want to be on the water. A house or apt can be very expensive while a boat slip is fairly cheap. I s'pose I'd rather have the bay as my backyard than a freeway. As far as the boats anchored at Bradenton for months, how long can you anchor before you stop cruising and simply become a liveaboard? My impression (and it is based on little data) is that these boats are NOT really going anywhere soon. Most did not seem well kept up and most had serious bottom growth. Being trashed out is prob not a function of the kind of ppl who live on them but the difficulty of maintenance or the ease of vandalism by others. I was taken aback by so many poorly maintained boats in one place so easily seen and wonder if this might contribute to anchoring restrictions we often hear about. Read the article a while back somewhere or other. Seems a lot of the communities on the Gulf Coast of Florida are making life difficult for the "transients". Many municipalities are imposing restrictions to anchoring, doesn't make a difference if you live there aboard or are just passing through and want to see the sights, they will limit your time on the hook to 24 -48 hours. Thanks in large part to what you so colorfully called "sailboat ghettos". So if you are a cruiser and you plan of cruising the west coast of Fla. , you might take issue with how someone chooses to live. Would be better if the involved parties differentiated between cruisers and liveaboards, but apparently in many cases they're not making that distinction. John Cairns |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 06:30:45 GMT, von huftenfleunter
wrote: Here in the PacNW we don't tolerate riff-raff. We have the bushpatrol move them on or confiscate their boats as they interfere with our real estate speculating. Could you possibly send an expeditionary force to Florida? |
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wrote: I was not making any sort of judgement over liveaboards vs cruisers. I was simply stating that the idea of living aboard without cruising had never occurred to me. I, at a minimum, understood it that way. After seeing some of these peoples boats, I can easily understand it though, especially if they simply want to be on the water. A house or apt can be very expensive while a boat slip is fairly cheap. I s'pose I'd rather have the bay as my backyard than a freeway. "Fairly" cheap? I'd say something on the order of DEAD cheap, and you can't beat the back yard. Our marina slip on the Chesapeake is fairly "urban", but what we wake up to on the rare mornings we're there is worth a million bucks. As far as the boats anchored at Bradenton for months, how long can you anchor before you stop cruising and simply become a liveaboard? Highly subjective. My impression (and it is based on little data) is that these boats are NOT really going anywhere soon. Most did not seem well kept up and most had serious bottom growth. Being trashed out is prob not a function of the kind of ppl who live on them but the difficulty of maintenance or the ease of vandalism by others. You're right that they're not well maintained and that they don't seem capable of self-motivation without help. I've seen that in the less active BVI charter fleets, and they are MUCH more concerned than western FL. Growth takes almost no time in many areas. Vandalism is more a problem in FL than where I'm used to (Chesapeake and VI), from what I've heard, but active liveaboards would have someone onboard to limit that. I was taken aback by so many poorly maintained boats in one place so easily seen and wonder if this might contribute to anchoring restrictions we often hear about. Yes, I believe that your observation is true. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
I teach school near Santa Barbara. The median home price is now
1,200,000. You can rent a one bedroom with about 5k down and 1,800 a month. I bought a boat. I'll be damned if I'm going to give some landlord all that money. I take it overnight about once a month. Some people aren't sailors at all. . . it's purely an economic decision. They have no interest in sailing if I offer to take them outand they don't know port from starboard. So be it. With houses this expensive there is only going to be more people living in the forest or marinas. b |
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