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marley April 7th 05 06:01 PM

This hit home HARD!!
 
Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken
in...skeletal in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that
he always seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he
was about 200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving up
the income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M

[email protected] April 7th 05 07:38 PM

Reminds me of a friend of mine who died young of colon cancer. Shortly
before he died, he confessed to me that he thought his life had been a
failure. I was shocked by this admission because I had always thought
of him in the opposite way.
I first met Frank when I became involved in cave exploring. He lived
in a cardboard box on the front porch of a falling down frame house
near the university. Frank had almost no need for money and obtained
all of his clothing from dumpsters behind frat houses. He never washed
clothing but simply tossed it into a mouldering pile and got more for
free. This was especially true of "cave clothes". Whereas the rest of
us had to take our mud encrusted coveralls home and hose them off, he
just threw his away and even planted grass seeds on them.
Eventually Frank threw a rope over a tree limb and climbed it into the
house attic where he lived unbeknownst to the other occupants. The
house began to improve in appearance so much that the owner eventually
discovered Frank and let him stay. We had to climb a cable ladder to
his place which looked like a cave where he slept in a sleeping bag in
a tiny alcove.
All of us cavers would gather at his place to practice vertical caving
techniques, learning to climb thousands of feet of rope on prusik
knots. There was a sorority house next door and as cavers dont care
about it being dark, we often had a great view. Frank was unimpressed
because as it turned out he had an "alternative sex life".
We went caving a lot together, him, myself and Bill M. (Bill later died
in a bizarre cave diving accident exploring the longest underwater cave
in the world). Bill would crawl ahead, I'd run compass and clinometer
and Frank would record and sketch. When you spend hours (we once spent
36 hours in Climax Cave) laying in the mud with no vertical room and
with someone elses boot in your face, you talk about odd things. Frank
told us about his lifestyle where he would "service" rich frat boys.
He told us he would always leave a change of clothes outside in case it
got too weird. Franks admissions were no stranger than spending time
laying in mud and bat guano and enjoying it.
Sometimes he did work but his speciality was repairing strange medieval
musical instruments. Mostly, he did not work but went caving nearly
all the time. Frank kept "THE MAP". This was a huge yellowing
mouldering map of Climax Cave with more than 12 miles of mapped
passage, all mapped the hard way, crawling through godawful passage to
find just a couple hundred of feet more. Data was fed into the campus
mainframe computer that then tried to minimize errors by distrubuting
them between individual shots of "closures". It would spit out a plot
of connedcted points onto which we'd transfer the drawings from Franks
map book and then glue this small piece onto the nearly 9 foot long
map. We'd stare at ot for hours in the dim light of Franks attic trying
to see patterns in the fractal-like structure. Once Frank "dreamed" a
room into existence and when we went there, it really existed. Such
trips would take 8 hours of crawling just to get to the place to map, a
few hours of mapping and another 8 out. We joked that what could be
dreamed into existence could also be dreamed out of existence, while we
were in it.
Once, a yuppie business prof went caving with us and spen the entire
trip to the cave trying to impress us with how much money he made.
Finally, he turned to frank and asked him what he did for a living.
Frank matter of factly replied that he hadn't worked for 6 years. End
of conversation.
Being around frank was like magic because he lived in an alternative
underground universe that was so close by but so far away in being
unlike anything else. Frank could dream passage into existence and
remember passage that had long ago (seemingly decades ago) been closed
by sand washing in. The universe he lived in was like one that is like
those sci-fi places that are a reality that barely touches ours but his
cave universe really existed. Sometimes we would find vast open
chambers that our lights wouldnt cross and it was like being present at
the moment of creation before God filled the universe with light.
On exiting the cave one time Frank fell against a rock and for weeks
after compalined about the resulting bruise. Soon, he revealed he had
learned it was really colon cancer that had progressed very far. He
wasted away. Once he asked me what I'd like to do with my life and I
told him I wanted to save to buy a computer so I could do x-ray
calculations I was interested in and thejn start a business. We all
assumed Frank was penniless and offered to help him with medical
expenses. He calmly told me that several years ago when he had small
amount of money, that he had purchased a catastrophic medical policy
for a one time fee and that now it was paying for everything.
When he died, we all assumed he was penniless but 6 months later I got
a letter that he somehow had arranged to be delivered after his death.
In the letter was $1750 in cash with instructions to buy that computer
and start my business.
For a man who thought he was a failure, he impressed the hell out of me.


Doug Dotson April 7th 05 11:16 PM

What does this have to do with boating?

"marley" wrote in message
.. .
Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M




Jim, April 7th 05 11:39 PM

Doug Dotson wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?

"marley" wrote in message
.. .

Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M




It says to me do it NOW! Live for the moment! Who knows what next
season will bring.

Jim, April 7th 05 11:42 PM

Doug Dotson wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?


It says to me do it NOW! Live for the moment! Who knows what next
season will bring.

"marley" wrote in message
.. .

Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M





Jim, April 7th 05 11:42 PM

Doug Dotson wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?


It says to me do it NOW! Live for the moment! Who knows what next
season will bring.


"marley" wrote in message
.. .

Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M





Capt. Neal® April 7th 05 11:56 PM


"Jim," wrote in message ...
Doug Dotson wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?


It says to me do it NOW! Live for the moment! Who knows what next
season will bring.



There is one thing FOR CERTAIN next season will bring - another year of
Peggie Hall's boring sewage posts. That, alone, is reason enough to go cruising
NOW.

CN



"marley" wrote in message
.. .

Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M





[email protected] April 8th 05 02:22 AM

I'll admit, my post says little about cruising but also a lot. The
original post got me all maudlin about my dead friends and the crazy
trips we all went on. Oddly, my friend who was the ultimate 'I did it
my way" person thought he was a failure. The rest of us cavers thought
he was a genius. His family thought he was the blacksheep pervert of
the family and prefferred to pretend his bizarre life did not exist.
They had no concept of his life so when 30 cavers showed up at the
church for his funeral dressed in muddy boots, caving helmets and muddy
coveralls, they didnt get it.
Since I am unable to do serious caving anymore( Age you know, I now get
dehydrated in hot humid places, getting old isnt for wimps) I try to
get some of the same feelings of discovery from being on the water. It
isnt quite the same but being waaaaay out at night has a little of the
feeling of an alternative universe.
It seems, the message is not to delay doing the things you really want
to do. For me, the hard part is deciding which is the most
interesting.
Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message

...
Doug Dotson wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?


It says to me do it NOW! Live for the moment! Who knows what

next
season will bring.



There is one thing FOR CERTAIN next season will bring - another year

of
Peggie Hall's boring sewage posts. That, alone, is reason enough to

go cruising
NOW.

CN



"marley" wrote in message
.. .

Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen

since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken

in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he

always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was

about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was

forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving

up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would

somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M=20
=20
=20



Doug Dotson April 8th 05 02:52 AM

I was a caver for over 20 years. Fellow of the NSS. Got married in my
caving boots with 50 of my muddiest friends. We probably know each
other at least indirectly. Drop me a private email.

Doug (NSS 16196)

wrote in message
oups.com...
I'll admit, my post says little about cruising but also a lot. The
original post got me all maudlin about my dead friends and the crazy
trips we all went on. Oddly, my friend who was the ultimate 'I did it
my way" person thought he was a failure. The rest of us cavers thought
he was a genius. His family thought he was the blacksheep pervert of
the family and prefferred to pretend his bizarre life did not exist.
They had no concept of his life so when 30 cavers showed up at the
church for his funeral dressed in muddy boots, caving helmets and muddy
coveralls, they didnt get it.
Since I am unable to do serious caving anymore( Age you know, I now get
dehydrated in hot humid places, getting old isnt for wimps) I try to
get some of the same feelings of discovery from being on the water. It
isnt quite the same but being waaaaay out at night has a little of the
feeling of an alternative universe.
It seems, the message is not to delay doing the things you really want
to do. For me, the hard part is deciding which is the most
interesting.
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message

...
Doug Dotson wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?


It says to me do it NOW! Live for the moment! Who knows what

next
season will bring.



There is one thing FOR CERTAIN next season will bring - another year

of
Peggie Hall's boring sewage posts. That, alone, is reason enough to

go cruising
NOW.

CN



"marley" wrote in message
.. .

Today I bumped into a casual acquaintance that I haven't seen

since fall
(winter you know, everybody hides!).

He looked like pure ****.

Skin and bones, and one side of his face is horribly sunken

in...skeletal
in appearance. It was absolutely shocking considering that he

always
seemed to be on the portly side. Last time I saw him (fall) he was

about
200 lbs. I am guessing maybe 120 now...tops.

Three months ago he was given three months.

This all happened since Novemeber 04 when I last saw him!

He was quite happy to "still be here" in spite of what was

forecast.

Talk about a wake up call! Man that scares me FAR more than giving

up the
income stream and sailing away ever could!

Just felt like sharing this... in the faint hope that it would

somehow
make me feel better. It didn't.

**** that was hard to deal with!

In truth I don't much like the guy, but I sure to feel for him.

Son of a bitch! I am speechless.

M






Gogarty April 8th 05 03:00 AM

In article ,
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom says...


What does this have to do with boating?

Probably nothing, Mr. Dotson. But if this is your community, then it has to do
with life -- and death.


Jere Lull April 9th 05 03:30 AM

In article .com,
wrote:

I'll admit, my post says little about cruising but also a lot. The
original post got me all maudlin about my dead friends and the crazy
trips we all went on. Oddly, my friend who was the ultimate 'I did it
my way" person thought he was a failure. The rest of us cavers thought
he was a genius. His family thought he was the blacksheep pervert of
the family and prefferred to pretend his bizarre life did not exist.
They had no concept of his life so when 30 cavers showed up at the
church for his funeral dressed in muddy boots, caving helmets and muddy
coveralls, they didnt get it.
Since I am unable to do serious caving anymore( Age you know, I now get
dehydrated in hot humid places, getting old isnt for wimps) I try to
get some of the same feelings of discovery from being on the water. It
isnt quite the same but being waaaaay out at night has a little of the
feeling of an alternative universe.
It seems, the message is not to delay doing the things you really want
to do. For me, the hard part is deciding which is the most
interesting.


This, in my mind, goes with the Twain quote. Yes, going and doing
something now makes it more difficult to doing other things (though not
impossible if you plan thoroughly), but if you don't do *ANY* of "those"
things, you will have much to regret at the end.

When I turned 30, I ran into a number of people, mostly cute women as it
happened, who had had near-death experiences. The recurring theme in
their commentary was their recognizing the number of things they'd
wanted to do that they wouldn't have been able to do had they died, and
that they were persuing. That generated my list, of which I've checked
off most of the major items: Skiing, sailing, flying, SCUBA and so
forth. Of them all, sailing has turned out to be the activity that can
also include "travel", a continuing item.

Another contribution to my personal list is that my Dad retired at 59
and died just under a year later, essentially from boredom. He had no
continuing activity beyond working for the same company for 45 years.
[Yes, he started at 14.]

My wife is now two years older than her Mom's survival; I'm approaching
my Dad's final age. Cruising is one of our possibilities, though it's
not our only one. We're not full-time but in our area with a 6 month
cruising season, we spend 30-40% of our season on the water as I
maintain a full-time job.

it could be said that your caver didn't contribute to society, that he
dropped out. I believe you don't believe that.

I also believe that cruisers can contribute at least as much as he.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages:
http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

rhys April 9th 05 05:04 AM

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:16:33 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?

Everything. Carpe bloody diem is the point. A large part of my game
plan is to purchase a world cruiser in my 40s from a guy in his late
60s who planned and scrimped and built and saved...and then got
sick/too old/too tired/too consumed with kids, grandkids, whatever.

Opportunistic? Oh, probably, but I've seen too many good sailors
swallow the anchor on their dream of long-term cruising because the
circumstances were never quite good enough.

Bull****.

You could be dead tomorrow. Sail today, or as close to today as you
can, because regret is a living death.

R.

[email protected] April 9th 05 06:29 AM

I'll admit, my post says little about cruising but also a lot.

As another former caver, I appreciated it.

Still use a self tied from webbing swiss seat and prusik knots to go up
my mast.

Been so long I don't remember my NSS #, but I think it was four digits.

(NSS ????)


Earl Colby Pottinger April 12th 05 03:50 AM

rhys :

On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:16:33 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

What does this have to do with boating?

Everything. Carpe bloody diem is the point. A large part of my game
plan is to purchase a world cruiser in my 40s from a guy in his late
60s who planned and scrimped and built and saved...and then got
sick/too old/too tired/too consumed with kids, grandkids, whatever.

Opportunistic? Oh, probably, but I've seen too many good sailors
swallow the anchor on their dream of long-term cruising because the
circumstances were never quite good enough.

Bull****.

You could be dead tomorrow. Sail today, or as close to today as you
can, because regret is a living death.


Right, due to personal reasons it looks like my plans to build and sail on my
own boat will never come true. So instead I go to the cabin up north and try
to go wilderness camping in as many diffirent parks as possible. This year
my camping trips spread out from Canada to New York State.

Repeatly over the years, I have been told by my parents/brothers that I
should not go on particular trips because the weather will be bad, not
getting promoted at work and other reasons. I still went and will continue
to go.

On the otherhand, my parents who planned to vacation after thier retirement
all over Europe found themselves stuck at home taking care of my brother
Wanye who is in a coma from a drunk driver. Up to the time of the accident
my parents always talked about trips after they retire. Infact they could
have gone before retirement, my mom had lots of vacation time held over, my
dad self-employed as a real estate agent - and they did do one trip so I know
that it was possible for them to do. There was no reason they could not have
gone every single year, but it was always 'after we retire'.

Now last year my Dad died when his appendix ruptured, we did not see that one
coming I tell you.

My mom plans gone, my Dad gone, and they both could have gone dozens of times
before Wanye's accident.

If you have a chance to enjoy life, and you are not going to hurt anyone
else, try to take it.

I got to watch a loon family grow up on my lake, I climbed mountains, canoed
lakes I never knew existed ten years ago, watch the Northern Lights where the
nearest town was over a hundred kilometers away, watched waterspouts dance on
the same lake that my cabin is on and many, many more things.

My parents have - 'when we retire', only to find that they did not have it
then. And can never have it now.

Earl Colby Pottinger

PS. I also help with my brother, that is why no sailing.



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Earl Colby Pottinger April 12th 05 03:50 AM

Fantasic life story. It is stuff like this that points out thinking your
personal way of life as unchangable is not true.

Infact, not to the same level I knew a guy who if you did not listen to him
talk about computers you would think he was a bum from the way he dressed.
Infact he free-lanced programming and made in the upper 5 figures.
Additionally the house he got when his parents died was worth well over a
million, possibility 2 million.

Appearances can fool you.

Earl Colby Pottinger

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rhys April 12th 05 04:52 AM

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:50:10 -0500, Earl Colby Pottinger
wrote:

.. So instead I go to the cabin up north and try
to go wilderness camping in as many diffirent parks as possible. This year
my camping trips spread out from Canada to New York State.
should not go on particular trips because the weather will be bad, not
getting promoted at work and other reasons. I still went and will continue
to go.

Why not? Frequently "concern" is a well-meaning cloak for fear or even
jealousy. I'm not implying this is the case here, but in many
families, the words "you're being irresponsible" are used to end
debate, when what is really going on is "I am too
gutless/pinched/tired to carpe bloody diem, but not so much that I
don't resent your attempt".

Now last year my Dad died when his appendix ruptured, we did not see that one
coming I tell you.

My wife miscarried and spent several weeks in hospital last year with
the same thing...including her 30th birthday. Insult to sudden and
random injury...that and my mother's recent death (10 years younger
than my father, who is largely lost without her) convinced me that
concerns about wealth and career-building were irrelevant if I wanted
to give my son the experience of going from child to teen cruising
around the world. Besides, it's getting ugly out there. In 20 years,
the idea of liveaboard world cruising might be dashed by climatic or
political upheavals.

My mom plans gone, my Dad gone, and they both could have gone dozens of times
before Wanye's accident.

If you have a chance to enjoy life, and you are not going to hurt anyone
else, try to take it.


Total agreement. Harm none, and do what you will.

I got to watch a loon family grow up on my lake, I climbed mountains, canoed
lakes I never knew existed ten years ago, watch the Northern Lights where the
nearest town was over a hundred kilometers away, watched waterspouts dance on
the same lake that my cabin is on and many, many more things.

My parents have - 'when we retire', only to find that they did not have it
then. And can never have it now.

Earl Colby Pottinger

PS. I also help with my brother, that is why no sailing.


This was quite moving, and within your constrained circumstances, I
think you are doing the best you can.

If you can't own a sailboat, maybe you can crew on deliveries or race
as crew in a yacht club. Deliveries that aren't trans-atlantic or
longer can be just a one-to-two week commitment in many cases, and you
can keep your seamanship fresh for the time when your situation may
change again.

Best wishes and fair winds,
R.



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