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Capt. Neal® April 4th 05 10:48 PM


"DSK" wrote in message .. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a simple
question?

CN

DSK April 4th 05 11:10 PM

Most Trouble free refrigeration?
 
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Doug Dotson April 5th 05 12:32 AM

Wow! You are sure a butthead! How about some constructive comments?


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important
piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a
simple
question?

CN




[email protected] April 5th 05 12:52 AM

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message .. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a simple
question?

CN

He's too stupid? Where are you going to put the refrigeration system?
Let's see, this is rec.boats.cruising, what do you bet that he's
looking to put in in a cruising boat?

How about trying to be helpful instead of dumping on someone for
asking a question? Did somebody steal your favorite stuffed animal or
something?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 01:15 AM


wrote in message ...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message .. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a simple
question?

CN

He's too stupid? Where are you going to put the refrigeration system?
Let's see, this is rec.boats.cruising, what do you bet that he's
looking to put in in a cruising boat?

How about trying to be helpful instead of dumping on someone for
asking a question? Did somebody steal your favorite stuffed animal or
something?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)


Helpful input appears over on alt.sailing.asa where DSK has also posted the same inquiry.

CN


[email protected] April 5th 05 01:42 AM

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:15:31 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message .. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a simple
question?

CN

He's too stupid? Where are you going to put the refrigeration system?
Let's see, this is rec.boats.cruising, what do you bet that he's
looking to put in in a cruising boat?

How about trying to be helpful instead of dumping on someone for
asking a question? Did somebody steal your favorite stuffed animal or
something?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)


Helpful input appears over on alt.sailing.asa where DSK has also posted the same inquiry.

CN

so are you saying that this is the newbie abuse group?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 02:00 AM


wrote in message ...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:15:31 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message .. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a simple
question?

CN
He's too stupid? Where are you going to put the refrigeration system?
Let's see, this is rec.boats.cruising, what do you bet that he's
looking to put in in a cruising boat?

How about trying to be helpful instead of dumping on someone for
asking a question? Did somebody steal your favorite stuffed animal or
something?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)


Helpful input appears over on alt.sailing.asa where DSK has also posted the same inquiry.

CN

so are you saying that this is the newbie abuse group?


Negative, I posted the same criticism of DSK's inept question-asking abilities on the three groups I
read where he posted the same inept question.

CN


DSK April 5th 05 02:27 AM

so are you saying that this is the newbie abuse group?


Crap'n Neal® wrote:
Negative


So you think this is a self-abuse group? Or some kind of therapy?

You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of
cruising, sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.

DSK


[email protected] April 5th 05 02:27 AM

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:00:47 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:15:31 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message .. .
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask a simple
question?

CN
He's too stupid? Where are you going to put the refrigeration system?
Let's see, this is rec.boats.cruising, what do you bet that he's
looking to put in in a cruising boat?

How about trying to be helpful instead of dumping on someone for
asking a question? Did somebody steal your favorite stuffed animal or
something?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

Helpful input appears over on alt.sailing.asa where DSK has also posted the same inquiry.

CN

so are you saying that this is the newbie abuse group?


Negative, I posted the same criticism of DSK's inept question-asking abilities on the three groups I
read where he posted the same inept question.

CN

So do you just take offense to anyone asking questions not placed in
your approved phraseology or are you just a dickhead?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 02:37 AM


"DSK" whined like a limp-wristed wimp.


You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of
cruising, sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.

DSK


Too bad you're too blind to read the post in alt.sailing.asa cut and pasted
below . . .

"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
you building a custom space with a cold plate, and putting the
compressor in your engine room?


No, they have this marvelous new technology called electricity!

I am putting in a 12V freezer, that way it can run when it needs to
regardless of what our power config (shore power, underway, anchored,


genset running, etc).



Even a 12 V electric compressor can be noisy. With just a few feet of
plumbing you can have a more proffessional set up and better access to
your compressor in the engine room.



A refrigerator is a heat pump.

It is rather stupid to put the compressor in a hot engine room because
it decreases the efficiency of the heat pump when the hot side of the pump
is in a hot environment.

It's far better to put the compressor in as cool and well-ventilated space as
can be found on the boat within the limits of the copper tubing to the evaporator,
of course.

I hope this helps.

CN
__________________________________________________ _____

Maybe with somebody as arrogant and blind as DSK one has to post the same answer
three or four times in three or four groups before he bother reading it???

CN

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 02:39 AM


blathered thusly:

So do you just take offense to anyone asking questions not placed in
your approved phraseology or are you just a dickhead?


Interested in dickheads because you like to rub them or suck them?
Either way, this is hardly the place to solicit.

CN

[email protected] April 5th 05 02:52 AM

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:39:02 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


blathered thusly:

So do you just take offense to anyone asking questions not placed in
your approved phraseology or are you just a dickhead?


Interested in dickheads because you like to rub them or suck them?
Either way, this is hardly the place to solicit.

CN

ya know that I rarely find the need to use this in a group like this
but in your case I will make an exception... PLONK!
Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

[email protected] April 5th 05 03:01 AM

Reliable Refrigeration

The secret to reliable and efficient refrigeration is to buy a proven
system from one of the few companies that build good reliable boat
refrigeration systems. If you must build your own use a proven design
or copy an existing system that has tens of thousands of hours of
experience on that design. The correct refrigeration for your needs
will require a number of decisions, see the slide show on my web site.

From the author of books on boat refrigeration

http://www.kollmann-marine.com


John Cairns April 5th 05 03:03 AM


wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:00:47 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:15:31 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:48:56 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
.net...
Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what
other
folks have & have not found troublesome.

Thanks in advance.

Doug King


Duh! Assembling it for use where? Don't you think that very important
piece of
info should be included if you expect to get any reasonable answers?

Why is it so many people these days are too stupid to know how to ask
a simple
question?

CN
He's too stupid? Where are you going to put the refrigeration system?
Let's see, this is rec.boats.cruising, what do you bet that he's
looking to put in in a cruising boat?

How about trying to be helpful instead of dumping on someone for
asking a question? Did somebody steal your favorite stuffed animal or
something?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

Helpful input appears over on alt.sailing.asa where DSK has also posted
the same inquiry.

CN
so are you saying that this is the newbie abuse group?


Negative, I posted the same criticism of DSK's inept question-asking
abilities on the three groups I
read where he posted the same inept question.

CN

So do you just take offense to anyone asking questions not placed in
your approved phraseology or are you just a dickhead?


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)


Both.

John Cairns



Doug Dotson April 5th 05 03:08 AM


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"DSK" whined like a limp-wristed wimp.


You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of cruising,
sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.

DSK


Too bad you're too blind to read the post in alt.sailing.asa cut and
pasted
below . . .

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
you building a custom space with a cold plate, and putting the
compressor in your engine room?


No, they have this marvelous new technology called electricity!

I am putting in a 12V freezer, that way it can run when it needs to
regardless of what our power config (shore power, underway, anchored,


genset running, etc).



Even a 12 V electric compressor can be noisy. With just a few feet of
plumbing you can have a more proffessional set up and better access to
your compressor in the engine room.



A refrigerator is a heat pump.
It is rather stupid to put the compressor in a hot engine room because
it decreases the efficiency of the heat pump when the hot side of the pump
is in a hot environment.


That just depends. Putting the compressor in the engine room is fine since
the purpose of the compressor is to heat up the refrigerant. It's the
condenser that is the issue. A water cooled condenser doesn;t much
care where it is. An air-cooled unit does need cool air to be efficient.

It's far better to put the compressor in as cool and well-ventilated space
as
can be found on the boat within the limits of the copper tubing to the
evaporator,
of course.


Your knowledge of refrigeration seems to be limited to the Adler-Barbour
ads.

I hope this helps.

CN
__________________________________________________ _____

Maybe with somebody as arrogant and blind as DSK one has to post the same
answer
three or four times in three or four groups before he bother reading it???

CN




Doug Dotson April 5th 05 03:10 AM

Take a hike back to where you came from. You wore out your welcome a few
years back.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

blathered thusly:

So do you just take offense to anyone asking questions not placed in
your approved phraseology or are you just a dickhead?


Interested in dickheads because you like to rub them or suck them?
Either way, this is hardly the place to solicit.

CN




prodigal1 April 5th 05 03:11 AM

DSK wrote:

So you think this is a self-abuse group? Or some kind of therapy?
You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of
cruising, sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.


Please don't respond to this newsgroup's new village idiot. He has
nothing of any value whatsoever to add to any thread. He has an
honoured place in my idiot bin and I would rather not read his horsesh*t
attributed in other people's posts.

Please do not feed the troll.

Doug Dotson April 5th 05 03:12 AM

Doug,

Give me a call and we can talk about a real, actual system that works.

Doug

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
so are you saying that this is the newbie abuse group?



Crap'n Neal® wrote:
Negative


So you think this is a self-abuse group? Or some kind of therapy?

You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of cruising,
sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.

DSK




Michael April 5th 05 05:27 AM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:10:37 -0400, DSK wrote:

Most Trouble free refrigeration?

I am assembling a refrigeration system and am interested in what other
folks have & have not found troublesome.


http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...sor=refrig.htm


Which type of refrigeration unit is right for you?

West Marine offers a wide selection of coolers and refrigerators for
boats. Selecting the right product is not as daunting as it may seem.
Ask yourself the following questions to help in your selection:

see above link
Thanks in advance.

Doug King



Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 05:49 AM


"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ...
Take a hike back to where you came from. You wore out your welcome a few
years back.


No, I think I'll pull up a chair and sit a spell. If you don't like it you
can go take a flying leap . . .

CN

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 05:58 AM


"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ...
That just depends. Putting the compressor in the engine room is fine since
the purpose of the compressor is to heat up the refrigerant. It's the
condenser that is the issue. A water cooled condenser doesn;t much
care where it is. An air-cooled unit does need cool air to be efficient.



Oh Dear! What a total lack of understanding you display with your
ignorant statement above.

The heat in the ice box is removed by the expanding refigerant in the evaporator
and expelled by the compressed refrigerant in the compressor. The cooler the
environment of the compressor the better the system works.

The purpose of the compressor is NOT to heat up the refrigerant. The purpose of
the compressor is to compress the refrigerant and the heat is a by-product of
compression. The cooler the compressed gas the more heat it can carry away
from the ice box when it expands in the evaporator.

I hope this helps.

CN


It's far better to put the compressor in as cool and well-ventilated space
as
can be found on the boat within the limits of the copper tubing to the
evaporator,
of course.


Your knowledge of refrigeration seems to be limited to the Adler-Barbour
ads.


And your knowledge seems to come from Uranus!

CN

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 05:58 AM


"prodigal1" wrote in message ...
DSK wrote:

So you think this is a self-abuse group? Or some kind of therapy?
You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of
cruising, sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.


Please don't respond to this newsgroup's new village idiot. He has
nothing of any value whatsoever to add to any thread. He has an
honoured place in my idiot bin and I would rather not read his horsesh*t
attributed in other people's posts.



I certainly straightened out idiot Doug Dotson.

CN

Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 05:59 AM


"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ...
Doug,

Give me a call and we can talk about a real, actual system that works.


Doug, as stupid as he is, just might listen to a fool who says the purpose of the
compressor is to heat up the refrigerant . . .

CN

Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen April 5th 05 07:31 AM

"DD" == Doug Dotson dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom writes:

DD "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
DD ...

"DSK" whined like a limp-wristed wimp.


You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of cruising,
sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.

DSK


Too bad you're too blind to read the post in alt.sailing.asa cut and
pasted
below . . .

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
you building a custom space with a cold plate, and putting the
compressor in your engine room?


No, they have this marvelous new technology called electricity!

I am putting in a 12V freezer, that way it can run when it needs to
regardless of what our power config (shore power, underway, anchored,

genset running, etc).


Even a 12 V electric compressor can be noisy. With just a few feet of
plumbing you can have a more proffessional set up and better access to
your compressor in the engine room.



A refrigerator is a heat pump.
It is rather stupid to put the compressor in a hot engine room because
it decreases the efficiency of the heat pump when the hot side of the pump
is in a hot environment.


DD That just depends. Putting the compressor in the engine room is fine since
DD the purpose of the compressor is to heat up the refrigerant. It's the
DD condenser that is the issue. A water cooled condenser doesn;t much
DD care where it is. An air-cooled unit does need cool air to be efficient.

Actually, the purpose is not to heat the refrigerant, but to compress
it. It heats up because it is compressed. You remove the heat, and it
condenses. It evaporates (expands), and absorbs heat, and so on. But I agree,
with a water cooled condenser, it does not matter much where the
compressor is, as long as you stay within its operational limits.

snip

--
C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.

Gogarty April 5th 05 12:28 PM

In article ,
says...


On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:39:02 -0400, Capt. Neal®
wrote:


blathered thusly:

So do you just take offense to anyone asking questions not placed in
your approved phraseology or are you just a dickhead?


Interested in dickheads because you like to rub them or suck them?
Either way, this is hardly the place to solicit.

CN

ya know that I rarely find the need to use this in a group like this
but in your case I will make an exception... PLONK!


Agreed. PLONK!


Gogarty April 5th 05 12:37 PM

In article ,
says...


You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of
cruising, sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.

Ignore the troglodyte in the corner, whom I have kill-filed. Except the
jerk keeps changing his nick.

As for refrigeration, check out the Italian Frigoboat Frigomatic with the
keel cooler. It is very similar to the standard Danfoss compressor
driven unit -- it uses a Danfoss compressor -- but has no fan or pump to
draw power. It is easily installed in an existing icebox. Mine uses half
the amps the old one did (what is that name?) Mine cost $1,005.


DSK April 5th 05 01:11 PM

Gogarty wrote:
As for refrigeration, check out the Italian Frigoboat Frigomatic with the
keel cooler. It is very similar to the standard Danfoss compressor
driven unit -- it uses a Danfoss compressor -- but has no fan or pump to
draw power. It is easily installed in an existing icebox. Mine uses half
the amps the old one did (what is that name?) Mine cost $1,005.


Thanks for the recommendation. How long have you had it? We are
considering one of the units with a keel cooler made as a thru-hull.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Don White April 5th 05 02:45 PM

prodigal1 wrote:
DSK wrote:

So you think this is a self-abuse group? Or some kind of therapy?
You obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the subject of
cruising, sailing, or (distantly related topic) marine refrigeration.



Please don't respond to this newsgroup's new village idiot. He has
nothing of any value whatsoever to add to any thread. He has an
honoured place in my idiot bin and I would rather not read his horsesh*t
attributed in other people's posts.

Please do not feed the troll.



I thought we were rid of him a couple of years back after the US Post
Office finally wised up and terminated his a**. He was supposed to take
that crappy sailing tub of his and try to be a 'real man' sailing the
South Seas. Where were those pirates when we needed them??

Gogarty April 5th 05 04:09 PM

In article ,
says...


Gogarty wrote:
As for refrigeration, check out the Italian Frigoboat Frigomatic with the
keel cooler. It is very similar to the standard Danfoss compressor
driven unit -- it uses a Danfoss compressor -- but has no fan or pump to
draw power. It is easily installed in an existing icebox. Mine uses half
the amps the old one did (what is that name?) Mine cost $1,005.


Thanks for the recommendation. How long have you had it? We are
considering one of the units with a keel cooler made as a thru-hull.


We bought it in March 2001 and installed it that Spring, so this will be its
fifth season. The keel cooler, a sintered bronze billet 6.625"x 1.5" x 2.75"
through which the coolant condenser line loops -- is a through hull. You drill
the hole (with great trepidation), insert the through hull portion from the
outside with the cooler itself flush against the hull using 3M 5200. Not
likel;y you will ever want to remove it. Be sure the hole is where it will
always be under water no matter how much the boat heels and is also clear of
internal structural members. I nearly came a cropper on that with barely
enough room to snug down the backup nuts. You can check it out at
http://www.frigoboat.com. The cooler is connected to the negative side of the
battery to protect the bronze, which then attracts barnacles since it is not
releasing any copper ions..


Skip Gundlach April 5th 05 05:01 PM

Please don't respond to this newsgroup's new village idiot. He has
nothing of any value whatsoever to add to any thread. He has an
honoured place in my idiot bin and I would rather not read his horsesh*t
attributed in other people's posts.

Please do not feed the troll.


Heh. He's hardly new (Hi, Neal!). He's just been gone from these pages for
a couple of years.

Like Jax (who took a sabbatical a while back, on advice of a physician
encouraging him to limit his stressors, but who surfaces, now and again),
nuggets of wisdom occasionally fall from the purse of CN. Otherwise, he
seems to enjoy tweaking everyone's nose.

I've not yet gotten to the point where I killfile either - but sometimes the
threads get tiresome :{))

OTOH, perhaps it was just irksome to CN to find less than complete info.
I've often been guilty of the same thing (putting up a request without
remembering that I got to a certain point after lots of thinking, but that
the readers hadn't been along for the ride).

So, back to helping Doug with his refrigeration :{))

Depends on what you mean by "trouble-free" and what your limitations are.

For example, the water-from-the-engine-pump coolant, the honking big
compressor on the front of the engine, and massive cold plates, makes for a
pretty trouble-free setup - if you don't mind running the engine.

For me, it's a keel cooler and a spillover - flat plate evaporator
with two digital thermostats and internal fans to keep it all uniform in
temps and no pumps, no holes in the boat (if you discount the hole you have
to make to install the keel cooler, which plugs it, completely) and no
particular concern for how hot it is where the compressor is located (ER in
my case).

To each his own...

L8R

Skip, off the boat briefly before a 4-week foray to try to get *something*
buttoned up!
--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Capt. Neal® April 5th 05 06:11 PM




"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Please don't respond to this newsgroup's new village idiot. He has
nothing of any value whatsoever to add to any thread. He has an
honoured place in my idiot bin and I would rather not read his horsesh*t
attributed in other people's posts.

Please do not feed the troll.


Heh. He's hardly new (Hi, Neal!). He's just been gone from these pages for
a couple of years.

Like Jax (who took a sabbatical a while back, on advice of a physician
encouraging him to limit his stressors, but who surfaces, now and again),
nuggets of wisdom occasionally fall from the purse of CN. Otherwise, he
seems to enjoy tweaking everyone's nose.

I've not yet gotten to the point where I killfile either - but sometimes the
threads get tiresome :{))

OTOH, perhaps it was just irksome to CN to find less than complete info.
I've often been guilty of the same thing (putting up a request without
remembering that I got to a certain point after lots of thinking, but that
the readers hadn't been along for the ride).

So, back to helping Doug with his refrigeration :{))

Depends on what you mean by "trouble-free" and what your limitations are.

For example, the water-from-the-engine-pump coolant, the honking big
compressor on the front of the engine, and massive cold plates, makes for a
pretty trouble-free setup - if you don't mind running the engine.

For me, it's a keel cooler and a spillover - flat plate evaporator
with two digital thermostats and internal fans to keep it all uniform in
temps and no pumps, no holes in the boat (if you discount the hole you have
to make to install the keel cooler, which plugs it, completely) and no
particular concern for how hot it is where the compressor is located (ER in
my case).

To each his own...

L8R

Skip, off the boat briefly before a 4-week foray to try to get *something*
buttoned up!
--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain




A delightfully reasonable and reasoned fellow! A rare find in rec.boats.cruising.

CN

CN




Skip Gundlach April 5th 05 10:23 PM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


A delightfully reasonable and reasoned fellow! A rare find in

rec.boats.cruising.

CN




Now, Neal, C'mon...

There's lots of reasoned and reasonable folks hereabouts. We all need, from
time to time, to be asked for more info - how you do it has much to do with
how you're viewed.

It's the reasoned and reasonable part which rarely gets me plonked, however
:{))

So, are you cruising? Still living aboard? Still doing the minimalist
thing (as suggested by your Cedar Bucket comments)?

L8R

Skip, cool (well, it will be, once I hook it up!!)

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Capt. Neal® April 6th 05 03:13 AM


"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


A delightfully reasonable and reasoned fellow! A rare find in

rec.boats.cruising.

CN




Now, Neal, C'mon...

There's lots of reasoned and reasonable folks hereabouts. We all need, from
time to time, to be asked for more info - how you do it has much to do with
how you're viewed.

It's the reasoned and reasonable part which rarely gets me plonked, however
:{))

So, are you cruising? Still living aboard? Still doing the minimalist
thing (as suggested by your Cedar Bucket comments)?

L8R


Still living aboard and cruising, yes. Minimal is far from what I enjoy. My
fine yacht is loaded to the gills with equipment and instruments of all sorts.
Even have a new fridge to keep my beer frosty cold and plenty of solar
panels to provide the energy.

And the cedar bucket is still my good friend. God gave me an asshole to
use when and where I wish.

Check it out at:
http://captneal.homestead.com/index.html



Marley April 6th 05 05:31 PM

Capt. Neal® wrote:

"God gave me an asshole to use when and where I wish."




Having read your posts Kneel, it is truly a pity for us that you choose
to use that orifice here online.

You are by CHOICE, an asshole.

Spew all the vile, contempt you want.

Virtually every post you make glaringly confirms that dubious
distinction for all to see.

Not that you'd realize it of course, you likely think you are postiively
brilliant.

You're not even close.

Hell you're not even smart enough to realize what an ASSHOLE you make of
yourself here.

M



Capt. Neal® April 6th 05 06:08 PM


"Marley" blathered thusly:

Capt. Neal® wrote:

"God gave me an asshole to use when and where I wish."


Having read your posts Kneel, it is truly a pity for us that you choose to use that orifice here online.


It's because people like you understand such orifices so well . . .

You are by CHOICE, an asshole.


Better by choice than by genetics . . . At least I HAVE a choice!

Spew all the vile, contempt you want.


Seems like it's you doing the spewing . . . As for contempt, do you really
expect me to have anything but contempt for little minds the likes of
which you display?

Virtually every post you make glaringly confirms that dubious distinction for all to see.


Dubious? Dubious means uncertain, questionable, doubtful. This means
you erred in your choice of words because it is certain, unquestionable,
and beyond any doubt that you are ignorant and unable to use your
native language properly even when attempting to insult.

You call me a dubious asshole when you mean I am a certain asshole.
Muddled thinking results from not knowing the language.

Not that you'd realize it of course, you likely think you are postiively brilliant.


I am. I demonstrated it, to your chagrin, in the above paragraphs.

Hell you're not even smart enough to realize what an ASSHOLE you make of yourself here.


Pot, kettle, black. You think a demonstration of inept word usage makes
you anything other than that which you label me?

Now, run along and don't skip your English class today.

CN


Marely April 6th 05 07:04 PM

Capt. Neal® whimpered in embarassment and humilation:


"Marley" blathered thusly:

Capt. Neal® wrote:

"God gave me an asshole to use when and where I wish."



Having read your posts Kneel, it is truly a pity for us that you
choose to use that orifice here online.



It's because people like you understand such orifices so well . . .

You are by CHOICE, an asshole.



Better by choice than by genetics . . . At least I HAVE a choice!

Spew all the vile, contempt you want.



Seems like it's you doing the spewing . . . As for contempt, do you really
expect me to have anything but contempt for little minds the likes of
which you display?

Virtually every post you make glaringly confirms that dubious
distinction for all to see.



Dubious? Dubious means uncertain, questionable, doubtful. This means
you erred in your choice of words because it is certain, unquestionable,
and beyond any doubt that you are ignorant and unable to use your
native language properly even when attempting to insult.

You call me a dubious asshole when you mean I am a certain asshole.
Muddled thinking results from not knowing the language.

Not that you'd realize it of course, you likely think you are
postiively brilliant.



I am. I demonstrated it, to your chagrin, in the above paragraphs.

Hell you're not even smart enough to realize what an ASSHOLE you make
of yourself here.



Pot, kettle, black. You think a demonstration of inept word usage makes
you anything other than that which you label me?

Now, run along and don't skip your English class today.

CN



There you go again Kneel, smugly offering up a point of view that you
~think~ demostrates your superior intellignce when in fact you instead
publicly demonstrate your REMARKABLE lack of intelligence.

You sonny, have the "dubious distinction" of being an asshole.

That is what I said, and that is EXACTLY what I meant to say.

You on the other hand decided to re-interpret (more likely
misunderstand) that very simple statement so as to suggest that you are
"dubious asshole". That is simply not what was written, sonny.

Can't you READ and comprehend simple English Kneel?

Yes Kneel, it was kept simple... just for you.

Here sonny, I'll explain it for you.

Read slowly ... try not to let your lips move too much as you do.

You are UNQUESTIONABLY an asshole, Kneel.

The DISTINCTION of being one is what is questionable.

Got it now sonny?

Muddled thinking is a result of not comprehending the language, Kneel.

In spite of your attempt at affirming that you are "brilliant" as you
stated, you have through your response, once again and without any doubt
PROVEN that you are really quite stupid, and illiterate as well.

Sonny, you are also a sociopath.

It's clear from your rantings in usenet, and even more clear to anyone
who visits your egocentric little embarassment of a web page, where you
attempt to artifically inflate your sociopathically driven ego through
your puny, embarassment of a "yacht", and through rude, condescending
put downs to viewers.

Sadly, sociopaths like you rarely recognise their "problem" and
therefore remain untreatable. It would truly suck to be you, Kneel. You
are to be pitied.

Although I can't speak for everyone here, I would venture to speculate
based on what I have read over the years, that pretty much everyone here
believes that you are UNQUESTIONABLY an asshole, Kneel.

Just like I said.

Perhaps a show of hands is in order?

Not that you would believe them of course. Sociopaths rarely have a grip
on reality, prefering instead to excersize extreme denial in avoiding
the truth by creating a fantasy in their heads in support of their denial.

Anyway, now that your faulty comprehension of a very CLEARLY written
statement has been, to your chagrin, PUBLICLY revealed, it no doubt
leaves you feeling intensely foolish, and with the intense NEED to
retaliate at all costs.

Go right ahead.

If I can muster the interest in actually reading your rant of a reply I
~might~ take the time to AGAIN embarass you again by dissecting whatever
you post once ... for the amusement of all who can be bothered reading,
and to your chargin.

Then again, to be candid you're also quite boring Kneel, so I might just
PLONK you instead, like everyone else has done.

Whatever you decide, you will of course still be an asshole and will
demonstrate so through your reply, whether I bother to dissect it or not.

And you will be an asshole by GENETICS too, Kneel.

You see, an asshole by choice can change himself for the better.

You have admirably demonstrated through the years, that you can not
accomplish that herculian feat. You are what you are, Kneel...and that
can not be changed. You simply haven't the power, Kneel. You will always
be an asshole. Unquestionably so.

Now run along sonny and don't forget to take your meds today. Doctor's
orders. Remember?


Capt. Neal® April 6th 05 11:22 PM


"Marely" wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® whimpered in embarassment and humilation:


"Marley" blathered thusly:

Capt. Neal® wrote:

"God gave me an asshole to use when and where I wish."


Having read your posts Kneel, it is truly a pity for us that you choose to use that orifice here online.



It's because people like you understand such orifices so well . . .

You are by CHOICE, an asshole.



Better by choice than by genetics . . . At least I HAVE a choice!

Spew all the vile, contempt you want.



Seems like it's you doing the spewing . . . As for contempt, do you really
expect me to have anything but contempt for little minds the likes of
which you display?

Virtually every post you make glaringly confirms that dubious distinction for all to see.



Dubious? Dubious means uncertain, questionable, doubtful. This means
you erred in your choice of words because it is certain, unquestionable,
and beyond any doubt that you are ignorant and unable to use your
native language properly even when attempting to insult.

You call me a dubious asshole when you mean I am a certain asshole.
Muddled thinking results from not knowing the language.

Not that you'd realize it of course, you likely think you are postiively brilliant.



I am. I demonstrated it, to your chagrin, in the above paragraphs.

Hell you're not even smart enough to realize what an ASSHOLE you make of yourself here.



Pot, kettle, black. You think a demonstration of inept word usage makes
you anything other than that which you label me?

Now, run along and don't skip your English class today.

CN



There you go again Kneel, smugly offering up a point of view that you ~think~ demostrates your superior intellignce when in fact
you instead publicly demonstrate your REMARKABLE lack of intelligence.

You sonny, have the "dubious distinction" of being an asshole.

That is what I said, and that is EXACTLY what I meant to say.

You on the other hand decided to re-interpret (more likely misunderstand) that very simple statement so as to suggest that you are
"dubious asshole". That is simply not what was written, sonny.

Can't you READ and comprehend simple English Kneel?

Yes Kneel, it was kept simple... just for you.

Here sonny, I'll explain it for you.

Read slowly ... try not to let your lips move too much as you do.

You are UNQUESTIONABLY an asshole, Kneel.

The DISTINCTION of being one is what is questionable.

Got it now sonny?

Muddled thinking is a result of not comprehending the language, Kneel.

In spite of your attempt at affirming that you are "brilliant" as you stated, you have through your response, once again and
without any doubt PROVEN that you are really quite stupid, and illiterate as well.

Sonny, you are also a sociopath.

It's clear from your rantings in usenet, and even more clear to anyone who visits your egocentric little embarassment of a web
page, where you attempt to artifically inflate your sociopathically driven ego through your puny, embarassment of a "yacht", and
through rude, condescending put downs to viewers.

Sadly, sociopaths like you rarely recognise their "problem" and therefore remain untreatable. It would truly suck to be you,
Kneel. You are to be pitied.

Although I can't speak for everyone here, I would venture to speculate based on what I have read over the years, that pretty much
everyone here believes that you are UNQUESTIONABLY an asshole, Kneel.

Just like I said.

Perhaps a show of hands is in order?

Not that you would believe them of course. Sociopaths rarely have a grip on reality, prefering instead to excersize extreme denial
in avoiding the truth by creating a fantasy in their heads in support of their denial.

Anyway, now that your faulty comprehension of a very CLEARLY written statement has been, to your chagrin, PUBLICLY revealed, it no
doubt leaves you feeling intensely foolish, and with the intense NEED to retaliate at all costs.

Go right ahead.

If I can muster the interest in actually reading your rant of a reply I ~might~ take the time to AGAIN embarass you again by
dissecting whatever you post once ... for the amusement of all who can be bothered reading, and to your chargin.

Then again, to be candid you're also quite boring Kneel, so I might just PLONK you instead, like everyone else has done.

Whatever you decide, you will of course still be an asshole and will demonstrate so through your reply, whether I bother to
dissect it or not.

And you will be an asshole by GENETICS too, Kneel.

You see, an asshole by choice can change himself for the better.

You have admirably demonstrated through the years, that you can not accomplish that herculian feat. You are what you are,
Kneel...and that can not be changed. You simply haven't the power, Kneel. You will always be an asshole. Unquestionably so.

Now run along sonny and don't forget to take your meds today. Doctor's orders. Remember?


Awfully big fish for so little bait. Bwahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahha!

CN



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