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"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Gogarty" wrote in message In article .com, says... There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who lie. Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run aground. Max Or frequently sail in fairly shallow water. John Cairns |
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I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked. Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation. For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License. Me Until all the facts are in, we'll have to speculate. My only sense is that he was too far right in his approach. If so, what caused this and/or why, will determine much of what happens next. As for license exams...... An exam is only an indication of how well someone takes exams and knows basic information. From there, it becomes the onus of the owners/managers of the particular vessel, to determine the suitability of an individual to perform under that license. If you look at those individuals giving the test for US upper licenses, I doubt you'd find one who is themselves, qualified to hold that license. otn |
My experience is that if you don't get out there and sail, you don't run
aground. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "John Cairns" wrote in message m... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Gogarty" wrote in message In article .com, says... There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who lie. Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run aground. Max Or frequently sail in fairly shallow water. John Cairns |
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:51:21 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: My experience is that if you don't get out there and sail, you don't run aground. That is such a dickless comment. No guts, no glory, Jon-boy. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Gogarty" wrote in message In article .com, says... There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who lie. Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run aground. Max Or frequently sail in fairly shallow water. In which case you get a boat with a swing keel. When you hit something, just crank 'er up. Been there, done that and many valuable lessons cheaply learned. Or a wing keel :) http://community.webshots.com/photo/...01593556HoPljK John Cairns |
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Gogarty wrote: In article , says... I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked. Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation. For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License. You are prejudging a situation where you were not present and have no way of knowinbg all the factors at the time. I am not judging anything at all. I am waiting for the MSO to report what he finds during his investigation. I have long experience in documenting USCG Inquiry Boards, and outcomes. Most Masters that end up at Inquiry, get suspended, or revoked. Especially if they had Passengers aboard, as USCG Inquiries tend to come down harshly when Passengers are put at risk. Me |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:34:08 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote: In which case you get a boat with a swing keel. When you hit something, just crank 'er up. Been there, done that and many valuable lessons cheaply learned. Or a wing keel :) ========================== The problem with a wing keel is that you can not free the boat up by heeling it over which is the classic solution for getting unstuck. |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:12:04 -0500, Gogarty
wrote: Changed direction to the sea buoy and then came straight in to the inlet from there. Lots of shoaling on either side of the inlet well out past the jetties. ============================ That's a good point. The sea buoys are usually positioned where they are for a reason. |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:46:13 -0500, Gogarty
wrote: Or the skipper of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career. ======================= Has that been determined for a fact? |
Wayne.B wrote: The problem with a wing keel is that you can not free the boat up by heeling it over which is the classic solution for getting unstuck. That depends on how far you heel it over ;-) Don W. |
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Umm... you haven't done much sailing on brigantines have you. I've run
two diffferent tallships (a schooner and a brig) and own my own 40 footer. I would agree with that statement for small boats but not for the hundred foot plus traditional rigs. Generally I (and the officiers I've sailed under) are more interested in reducing windage (of which those boats have A LOT of) and increasing visibility. |
Probably not swamped a 12 or 14 foot rib (which they might carry) but
launching the small boat is really challanging (read dangerous) in a good seaway. |
The other thing you will find is tests that don't relate to 90% of what
the master of a traditional vessel does in a day. |
Ben wrote:
Probably not swamped a 12 or 14 foot rib (which they might carry) but launching the small boat is really challanging (read dangerous) in a good seaway. And more so when the boat is aground and has no ability or tendency to move in sympathy with the waves. DSK |
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:36:50 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap: And more so when the boat is aground and has no ability or tendency to move in sympathy with the waves. DSK DSK is a lying cocksucker, and a coward. DSK has posted blatent lies on this newsgroup, and when he is proven to be a liar, he doesn't have the balls to defend himself. This post is 100% free of steroids |
Horvath wrote in
: DSK is a lying cocksucker, and a coward. DSK has posted blatent lies on this newsgroup, and when he is proven to be a liar, he doesn't have the balls to defend himself. This post is 100% free of steroids Oh, oh.....rec.boat's disease, again...... |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:36:50 -0500, DSK wrote this crap: And more so when the boat is aground and has no ability or tendency to move in sympathy with the waves. DSK DSK is a lying cocksucker, and a coward. DSK has posted blatent lies on this newsgroup, and when he is proven to be a liar, he doesn't have the balls to defend himself. Plonk! Never thought I would have to kill file someone in this group. He isn't from "this group," this is the result of crossposting. |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... Never thought I would have to kill file someone in this group. He isn't from "this group," this is the result of crossposting. Nonetheless, he is still showing up here. Or was. I have nothing against cross-posting per se. Crossposting to two "polite" groups is not a problem. But it always brings in the lowest common denominator. ASA, in particular, is getting nasty now, and it could get a *lot* worse in the near future. |
Actually Captain Brown was not only on watch he was on the bridge and
ignoring advice from his XO and the Quartermaster at the time. -Ben- Volunteer USS Missouri (BB-63) |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... What do you suppose will become of the five-year-old girl they handcuffed in Florida? Sad that child temper tantrums which used to be cured by a good spanking now are handled by cuffing and stuffing! The parent(s) of this five-year-old have already failed their daughter. CN |
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