Courtesy flags
 

I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

varnish wrote:
I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

Yes, courtesy flag for both countries is the National flag flown from
the starboard spreader.

Paul

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:56 -1000, renewontime dot com
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varnish wrote:
I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

Yes, courtesy flag for both countries is the National flag flown from
the starboard spreader.

The courtesy flag should be .5 inches for each foot of LOA.

Jack Dale wrote:

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:56 -1000, renewontime dot com
wrote:

varnish wrote:
I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

Yes, courtesy flag for both countries is the National flag flown from
the starboard spreader.

The courtesy flag should be .5 inches for each foot of LOA.


thanks both of you.

I loved the courtesy flag for Panama, You have to remember which is the
proper way up. They didnt like it very much when you flew their flag upside
down :P

Sebas

"varnish" wrote in message
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Jack Dale wrote:

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:56 -1000, renewontime dot com
wrote:

varnish wrote:
I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are
they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

Yes, courtesy flag for both countries is the National flag flown from
the starboard spreader.

The courtesy flag should be .5 inches for each foot of LOA.


thanks both of you.

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:56 -1000, renewontime dot com
wrote:

varnish wrote:
I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

Yes, courtesy flag for both countries is the National flag flown from
the starboard spreader.

The courtesy flag should be .5 inches for each foot of LOA.

Is that a US rule (or guideline)?

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

Is that a US rule (or guideline)?

If it is a US - Rule, my goodness, what does that mean to the rest of
the world? (sorry, couldn't help it)

Anyway, in Europe it is a custom to fly a courtesy flag from the
starboard spreader also. There is no other rule but the esthetic
virtues of the skipper to establish the correct measurement in
relation to the size of the vessel. I believe courtesy flags come in 2
sizes tops.
Len.

In 1108289472.38ad755c113bc71a9d36646b17723861@teran ews Len writes:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

Is that a US rule (or guideline)?

If it is a US - Rule, my goodness, what does that mean to the rest of
the world? (sorry, couldn't help it)

Anyway, in Europe it is a custom to fly a courtesy flag from the
starboard spreader also. There is no other rule but the esthetic
virtues of the skipper to establish the correct measurement in
relation to the size of the vessel. I believe courtesy flags come in 2
sizes tops.

Most shops carry only two sizes, but there is no law against ordering
from the maker custom size to your fancy.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:18:57 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:


"Jack Dale" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:56 -1000, renewontime dot com
wrote:

varnish wrote:
I'm a UK yachtsman planning to sail the US and Canadian east coasts.

What is the proper courtesy flag to fly in your two countries? Are they
just smaller version of your national flags, or do you have a special
maritime flag, like our red ensign?

thanks.

Yes, courtesy flag for both countries is the National flag flown from
the starboard spreader.

The courtesy flag should be .5 inches for each foot of LOA.

Is that a US rule (or guideline)?

I think it is a guideline. John Rousmaniere has this in The Annapolis
Book of Seamanship.

Jack

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Jack Dale wrote:

I think it is a guideline. John Rousmaniere has this in The
Annapolis Book of Seamanship.

I think John should row through a crowded anchorage and get in touch with
reality. For example, it's easy enough to encounter 400+ foreign-flagged
vessels of various sizes in Exuma during the winter and spring seasons.
With few exceptions these boats are showing a typical West Marine (or
equivalent) Bahamas cheapo courtesy flag (and I include those boats beyond
the reach of most readers of this group). According to John (as represented
by Jack's attribution) each of these boats should have bothered to have
custom-sized Bahamian flags manufactured that adhere to his "rule."

John is a Connecticut person who was born into the life and has probably
never met a payroll. I'm not sure what he has actually done besides
writing for yachting magazines and lounging at yacht clubs and writing a
book or two. The majority of us will probably survive by ignoring his
"rules."

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

South of Maryland, it is sometimes expected that you should replace the
Stars 'n Stripes with the Stars 'n Bars.


Armond Perretta wrote:
Jack Dale wrote:

I think it is a guideline. John Rousmaniere has this in The
Annapolis Book of Seamanship.

I think John should row through a crowded anchorage and get in touch
with
reality. For example, it's easy enough to encounter 400+
foreign-flagged
vessels of various sizes in Exuma during the winter and spring
seasons.
With few exceptions these boats are showing a typical West Marine (or
equivalent) Bahamas cheapo courtesy flag (and I include those boats
beyond
the reach of most readers of this group). According to John (as
represented
by Jack's attribution) each of these boats should have bothered to
have
custom-sized Bahamian flags manufactured that adhere to his "rule."

John is a Connecticut person who was born into the life and has
probably
never met a payroll. I'm not sure what he has actually done besides
writing for yachting magazines and lounging at yacht clubs and
writing a
book or two. The majority of us will probably survive by ignoring
his
"rules."

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:37 GMT, Jack Dale
wrote:



The courtesy flag should be .5 inches for each foot of LOA.

While perhaps technically correct (I haven't checked but it rings a
bell), I think if anyone between 25 and 40 feet has a fairly standard
"sheet of office paper" sized flag, you will pass "courtesy" muster.

Please be aware, however, when you've transited from one country's
territorial waters into another's.

You will also note that the flags of Canada and the U.S are different
ratios. I believe Canada's is 2:1 and the States is 3:5.

The U.S. also has a "maritime" flag but I believe that is for U.S.
owners only and is optional to them.

R.

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ps.com...
South of Maryland, it is sometimes expected that you should replace
the
Stars 'n Stripes with the Stars 'n Bars.

Only on your trucks' grill.

SV

On 13 Feb 2005 19:40:38 -0800, wrote:

South of Maryland, it is sometimes expected that you should replace the
Stars 'n Stripes with the Stars 'n Bars.

You're joking, right? Wasn't that flag just "retired" from the last
state that used it as a state flag?

R. (who wonders if he should dig up a 1939 German ensign for
Paraguay).

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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US flags (and I'm sure Canadian flags) come in a variety of sizes.
Since in both cases the courtesy flag is just the flag of the country
and not a special flag (like it is in the Bahamas), you can just get
whatever size you think appropriate.

I have a printout of the flags of the world that I take with me on the
boat.



The 'national flag' is the only proper courtesy flag in Canada. As a side
note...tomorrow is the 40th anniversary of our maple leaf flag. before that
it was the 'red ensign'.

"Don White" wrote:


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
US flags (and I'm sure Canadian flags) come in a variety of sizes.
Since in both cases the courtesy flag is just the flag of the country
and not a special flag (like it is in the Bahamas), you can just get
whatever size you think appropriate.

I have a printout of the flags of the world that I take with me on the
boat.



The 'national flag' is the only proper courtesy flag in Canada.

Wasn't that what I said?

In the Bahamas however, the national flag is NOT the courtesy flag.

As a side
note...tomorrow is the 40th anniversary of our maple leaf flag. before that
it was the 'red ensign'.


grandma Rosalie

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
wrote in
ps.com:

South of Maryland, it is sometimes expected that you should
replace the
Stars 'n Stripes with the Stars 'n Bars.


Especially if you're aground and would like our Southern Boys in
that
bassboat with the twin 450 hp Merc Black Max outboards to haul your
sorry
Yankee asses off the pluff mud bank.

Now THAT is a useful courtesy flag!.....BIGGER IS BETTER, TOO!

and a 'Dukes of Hazard' Dixie horn?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in
and a 'Dukes of Hazard' Dixie horn?




Oh....them Dukes!

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:34:54 -0500, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:

Jack Dale wrote:

I think it is a guideline. John Rousmaniere has this in The
Annapolis Book of Seamanship.

I think John should row through a crowded anchorage and get in touch with
reality. For example, it's easy enough to encounter 400+ foreign-flagged
vessels of various sizes in Exuma during the winter and spring seasons.
With few exceptions these boats are showing a typical West Marine (or
equivalent) Bahamas cheapo courtesy flag (and I include those boats beyond
the reach of most readers of this group). According to John (as represented
by Jack's attribution) each of these boats should have bothered to have
custom-sized Bahamian flags manufactured that adhere to his "rule."

John is a Connecticut person who was born into the life and has probably
never met a payroll. I'm not sure what he has actually done besides
writing for yachting magazines and lounging at yacht clubs and writing a
book or two. The majority of us will probably survive by ignoring his
"rules."

Chapman's Piloting has the same "rules"

Jack

Jack Dale wrote:

Chapman's Piloting has the same "rules"

Jack, have you ever actually met another person who has had courtesy flags
made according to this rule? I have not, and based on the circles I run in
I don't expect to.

I suppose I have 10 or 11 courtesy flags, and I have actually worn out my
Bahamas and Canada flags once or twice. As a "practical" sailor I just
cannot imagine obeying these "rules." I know from experience how much
custom flags and burgees cost, because in the case of burgees there is often
no other choice that a custom flag.

The "rules" mentioned are typical of what one might hear from the East Coast
"Yachting" set. The next time I'm invited to the annual NYYC Cruise I will
be sure to come prepared with the proper flags, but until that happens (and
that may be some time), I'll just scrape by with the West Marine versions.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/

"Scott Vernon" wrote in
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and a 'Dukes of Hazard' Dixie horn?



The man has 'nuthah good idear....(c;