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Dogs and Crusing
Does anyone have experience cruising with a small dog?
Next year we will sail the milk run of the Atlantic: Azores, Canaries, St. Lucia and lesser antilles in Caribbean, Bermuda. Some islands have pet restrictions. Are they strictly enforced or can a small dog go discretly ashore? |
On Friday 07 January 2005 3:30 pm in rec.boats.cruising Blue Eden wrote:
Does anyone have experience cruising with a small dog? Next year we will sail the milk run of the Atlantic: Azores, Canaries, St. Lucia and lesser antilles in Caribbean, Bermuda. Some islands have pet restrictions. Are they strictly enforced or can a small dog go discretly ashore? The dog gets 6 months in quarantine if you have the cash to pay the fees in advance, otherwise destroyed. You get to spend 2 years sharing a cell with an assrapist called Bubba. -- My real address is crn (at) netunix (dot) com WARNING all messages containing attachments or html will be silently deleted. Send only plain text. |
"Blue Eden" wrote in message ... Does anyone have experience cruising with a small dog? Next year we will sail the milk run of the Atlantic: Azores, Canaries, St. Lucia and lesser antilles in Caribbean, Bermuda. Some islands have pet restrictions. Are they strictly enforced or can a small dog go discretly ashore? Some Islands have very strict rules which include a quarantine. There is a very good list on the following web site, www.sailcharbonneau.com/QuarantineImport.htm I hope this is what you need. Most British Islands have the 6 months quarantine rule. If you break the rule, you may be jailed and fined. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months?
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Blue Eden" wrote in message ... Does anyone have experience cruising with a small dog? Next year we will sail the milk run of the Atlantic: Azores, Canaries, St. Lucia and lesser antilles in Caribbean, Bermuda. Some islands have pet restrictions. Are they strictly enforced or can a small dog go discretly ashore? Some Islands have very strict rules which include a quarantine. There is a very good list on the following web site, www.sailcharbonneau.com/QuarantineImport.htm I hope this is what you need. Most British Islands have the 6 months quarantine rule. If you break the rule, you may be jailed and fined. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
"Falky foo" wrote in message ... SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Yes, that's what it means. Quarantine for six months. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
What part of the word "quarantine" don't you understand?
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On Saturday 08 January 2005 12:45 am in rec.boats.cruising Falky foo wrote:
SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Correct, and the quarantine kennel charges will probably bust you in the meanwhile. You may find it hard to pay the kennel charges while you are in jail. In many countries a prison sentence is mandatory for illegally importing an animal. It is FAR cheaper to leave your dog in kennels at home. The last time I checked the quarantine charges were roughly 10 times the going rate for holiday kennels. Please leave the mutt behind, we do not want your diseases, especially rabies and toxicara canis which are often fatal to both children and vulnerable adults. -- My real address is crn (at) netunix (dot) com WARNING all messages containing attachments or html will be silently deleted. Send only plain text. |
Ingore what the alarmist are saying. It is not easy cruising with a dog but
NO IT DOES NOT mean that your dog gets locked up in some pound for 6 months. Even in England which is used to be the toughest does not require quarintine if you have the proper paperwork. In those places that do have strict quarintines the dog stays in designated hostels where you can visit any time. In the BVI it means house arrest. The dog can't leave the house or boat until the quarantine period is over. But to get an import permit you do have to provide certified test results for a number of deases which can be expensive and there is only one lab in the US that does one of the tests. . Otherwise the dog has to stay onboard. On the few islands with quarintine regulations if he is reported or caught outside quarantine he will be immediately distroyed with no appeals. But in the BVI technically that is true also for any dog not on a leash. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Falky foo" wrote in message ... SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Blue Eden" wrote in message ... Does anyone have experience cruising with a small dog? Next year we will sail the milk run of the Atlantic: Azores, Canaries, St. Lucia and lesser antilles in Caribbean, Bermuda. Some islands have pet restrictions. Are they strictly enforced or can a small dog go discretly ashore? Some Islands have very strict rules which include a quarantine. There is a very good list on the following web site, www.sailcharbonneau.com/QuarantineImport.htm I hope this is what you need. Most British Islands have the 6 months quarantine rule. If you break the rule, you may be jailed and fined. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:UnHDd.13315$EG1.11134@lakeread04... Ingore what the alarmist are saying. It is not easy cruising with a dog but NO IT DOES NOT mean that your dog gets locked up in some pound for 6 months. Even in England which is used to be the toughest does not require quarintine if you have the proper paperwork. In those places that do have strict quarintines the dog stays in designated hostels where you can visit any time. In the BVI it means house arrest. The dog can't leave the house or boat until the quarantine period is over. But to get an import permit you do have to provide certified test results for a number of deases which can be expensive and there is only one lab in the US that does one of the tests. .. Otherwise the dog has to stay onboard. On the few islands with quarintine regulations if he is reported or caught outside quarantine he will be immediately distroyed with no appeals. But in the BVI technically that is true also for any dog not on a leash. Glenn Ashmore Hi Glenn: I am not sure where you got your information, but, the rule for England is 6 months quarantine if the dog arrives by boat. There are specil permits available to import a dog to England, by aircraft only, that can be applied if the dog meets all of the requirements. You may check this with English Customs. I did. This same rule also applies to BVI and many other Islands in the Caribbean. It is best to leave the dog at home. It would be a terrible thing to ignore the rule and have your pet destroyed. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
What about birds kept in cages on the boat? ( have a parrot)
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:51:20 +0000, Chris Newport wrote: On Saturday 08 January 2005 12:45 am in rec.boats.cruising Falky foo wrote: SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Correct, and the quarantine kennel charges will probably bust you in the meanwhile. You may find it hard to pay the kennel charges while you are in jail. In many countries a prison sentence is mandatory for illegally importing an animal. It is FAR cheaper to leave your dog in kennels at home. The last time I checked the quarantine charges were roughly 10 times the going rate for holiday kennels. Please leave the mutt behind, we do not want your diseases, especially rabies and toxicara canis which are often fatal to both children and vulnerable adults. Weebles Wobble (but they don't fall down) |
I have several friends that have cruised down through the Bahamas,
down the islands all the way to Venezuela with dogs with no problems whatsoever. The of course had proper records regarding shots etc. Same thing with cats. We had to pay $US25 for a permit for our cat into The Bahamas but otherwise no probs. Doug s/v Callista "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:UnHDd.13315$EG1.11134@lakeread04... Ingore what the alarmist are saying. It is not easy cruising with a dog but NO IT DOES NOT mean that your dog gets locked up in some pound for 6 months. Even in England which is used to be the toughest does not require quarintine if you have the proper paperwork. In those places that do have strict quarintines the dog stays in designated hostels where you can visit any time. In the BVI it means house arrest. The dog can't leave the house or boat until the quarantine period is over. But to get an import permit you do have to provide certified test results for a number of deases which can be expensive and there is only one lab in the US that does one of the tests. . Otherwise the dog has to stay onboard. On the few islands with quarintine regulations if he is reported or caught outside quarantine he will be immediately distroyed with no appeals. But in the BVI technically that is true also for any dog not on a leash. Glenn Ashmore Hi Glenn: I am not sure where you got your information, but, the rule for England is 6 months quarantine if the dog arrives by boat. There are specil permits available to import a dog to England, by aircraft only, that can be applied if the dog meets all of the requirements. You may check this with English Customs. I did. This same rule also applies to BVI and many other Islands in the Caribbean. It is best to leave the dog at home. It would be a terrible thing to ignore the rule and have your pet destroyed. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Falky foo" wrote in message ... SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Yes, that's what it means. Quarantine for six months. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield Jim...think I read somewhere that they were planning to stop that procedure for animals from countries with reliable animal health certificates. |
Early in 2004 most of the EU dropped 90% of the pet quarantine regs.
Under the PETS program a dog arriving in England via an "unauthorised route" (meaning private boat) from a "listed country" (meaning the US and a lot of other places) may have to spend a few days in quarantine until his paperwork can be verified but unless you really screw things up it is highly unlikely it will be locked up for 6 months. Check out www.defra.gov.uk for the details. I am pretty familiar with the BVI rules as we sent a Portuguese water dog down to Virgin Gorda last spring and there is no formal quarantine. It did take some paper work. We had to have him microchipped and besides the usual rabies, worm, parvo, lyme disease and a couple of other tests we did have one test called a Titer test done. Only a few labs in the US do it and they have a 3 month backlog so we sent the samples off to England. Dog arived on a private yacht and the owner was told by C&I to "keep him away from other anamals for a while". I have no idea why they required the microchip as nobody at C&I seems to have a chip reader down there. There are many reasons not to have pets on a cruising boat but if you have the propper documents the fear of quarantines is not one of them. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:UnHDd.13315$EG1.11134@lakeread04... Ingore what the alarmist are saying. It is not easy cruising with a dog but NO IT DOES NOT mean that your dog gets locked up in some pound for 6 months. Even in England which is used to be the toughest does not require quarintine if you have the proper paperwork. In those places that do have strict quarintines the dog stays in designated hostels where you can visit any time. In the BVI it means house arrest. The dog can't leave the house or boat until the quarantine period is over. But to get an import permit you do have to provide certified test results for a number of deases which can be expensive and there is only one lab in the US that does one of the tests. . Otherwise the dog has to stay onboard. On the few islands with quarintine regulations if he is reported or caught outside quarantine he will be immediately distroyed with no appeals. But in the BVI technically that is true also for any dog not on a leash. Glenn Ashmore Hi Glenn: I am not sure where you got your information, but, the rule for England is 6 months quarantine if the dog arrives by boat. There are specil permits available to import a dog to England, by aircraft only, that can be applied if the dog meets all of the requirements. You may check this with English Customs. I did. This same rule also applies to BVI and many other Islands in the Caribbean. It is best to leave the dog at home. It would be a terrible thing to ignore the rule and have your pet destroyed. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:oBIDd.13660$EG1.3580@lakeread04... Early in 2004 most of the EU dropped 90% of the pet quarantine regs .................snip......... There are many reasons not to have pets on a cruising boat but if you have the propper documents the fear of quarantines is not one of them. -- Glenn Ashmore Hi Glenn: Thanks for the new updated information. Mine was from my last trip in 2003. My mistake. I should have looked for the latest information on the rules instead of past experience. Jim Carter "The Boat" Bayfield |
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"Falky foo" wrote in message
... SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Yes, that's what it means. Quarantine for six months. not quite - you can visit. My wife's mother married a brit and they moved to Guernsey when she was 8, taking their dog. Weekly visits on Saturday - and that dog knew when they were coming, according to the folks who ran the impound... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig http://tinyurl.com/384p2 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:34:39 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote: "Falky foo" wrote in message .. . SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Yes, that's what it means. Quarantine for six months. Considering the problems a lot of places are having with BSE and foot and mouth, my suggestion is "don't cruise with a dog". It's disrespectful to try to sneak an animal into a country that has a problem with it, whether you think it's "fair" or not. R. |
Huh??? Dogs don't have any thing to do with BSE and foot and mouth . Those
are cattle deseases. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "rhys" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:34:39 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: "Falky foo" wrote in message .. . SIX MONTHS? Does that mean you can't see your dog for 6 months? Yes, that's what it means. Quarantine for six months. Considering the problems a lot of places are having with BSE and foot and mouth, my suggestion is "don't cruise with a dog". It's disrespectful to try to sneak an animal into a country that has a problem with it, whether you think it's "fair" or not. R. |
Okay,
Thanks everyone for the discussion. We have been emailing DEFRA (The food and agriculture authority in Europe) and are in the process of getting all the documentation in place to travel with the dog. The requirements are mainly: Microchipping your dog for identification and vaccination confirmation purposes, Rabies testing and a six month wait to confirm no rabies is present. All shots, of course and a treatment for ticks (part of the monthly heartworm treatment in the most current product) and tapeworm just a day prior to travel. We are waiting for confirmations, but it is looking good. Check out our website as we may post the final results, and for ongoing updates of this trip. "blueeden" dot "ca". Cheers, and happy sailing. Thanks to Skip Gundlach for the Mark Twain quote...words to live by. J "Blue Eden" wrote in message ... Does anyone have experience cruising with a small dog? Next year we will sail the milk run of the Atlantic: Azores, Canaries, St. Lucia and lesser antilles in Caribbean, Bermuda. Some islands have pet restrictions. Are they strictly enforced or can a small dog go discretly ashore? |
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:46 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote: Huh??? Dogs don't have any thing to do with BSE and foot and mouth . Those are cattle deseases. I am aware of that, but dogs and cats can carry diseases--like rabies--that have been eradicated in many countries. My point was that many countries are far more sensitive to disease control and quarantine issues--and rightly so, IMO--than we here in North America are, which is why we have purple loosestrife, zebra mussels, killer gobies and snakehead fish crowding out indigineous species. As a former dog AND cat owner, I understand why people want pets on board. As a person from a country that's had to deal with SARS and BSE, I understand why people get strict over disease control. Also, cats and dogs "getting loose" on a lot of islands (and Australia and particularly, come to think of it) have killed off entire species of flightless birds and native fauna. From an ecological perspective, our "pets" are parasitic invaders frequently better equipped to kill the local wildlife than that wildlife is equipped to evade them. The Polynesians proved this with rats and pifs as they crossed the Pacific. I think if you are coasting in one country (particularly your own) and can get ashore frequently, there can be no objection to pets aboard. But the idea of taking a dog or even a cat on passage seems cruel to me, dangerous to the pet, and the last thing I need is a furry bilge. If you have a bigger boat or say, a trawler, the arguments against, say, cats, lessen...but don't expect to take them ashore. R. |
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