I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to the in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the short trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the weight and drag of wheels and suspension capable of operating at driving speeds.


For reasons of:


Aesthetics

Cost

Ecology

Teaching kids seamanship

Aggravation (not dealing with a balky "bargain" outboard)

Storage

Maintenance (frequent water pump impeller replacement operating over sand)

Peace

I would prefer to row the short distance back and forth to the boat, just as long as I don't have to do it a half dozen times at the beginning and end of each trip.

Getting a boat on and off a trailer is primarily a problem if it is done in the water on this shallow beach. The wheels on the boat will be a big help at the water's edge of this kind of beach, however. The answer is a boat with beach wheels only. These won't need springs and will operate only at low speed so they can be light and minimum drag. No springs or axle needed. A rowing boat, even large enough to take a daysailing party, will be light enough to drag up and down the beach on its wheels. With a winch, it can quickly be gotten on and off of a light, snowmobile type, trailer.

I'll have a sketch of this idea on the web site soon.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Tender.htm

Thanks to everyone who responded to the original posts. The comments (mostly negative) really contributed to giving this some more thought.

--

Roger Long

I have a 14' aluminum Jon boat, for fishing, that sounds like what
you're looking for. Very light, rows easily. They can be found used
for a few hundred $$.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Roger Long" wrote in message
news I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to
the in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the
short trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the
weight and drag of wheels and suspension capable of operating at
driving speeds.


For reasons of:


Aesthetics

Cost

Ecology

Teaching kids seamanship

Aggravation (not dealing with a balky "bargain" outboard)

Storage

Maintenance (frequent water pump impeller replacement operating over
sand)

Peace

I would prefer to row the short distance back and forth to the boat,
just as long as I don't have to do it a half dozen times at the
beginning and end of each trip.

Getting a boat on and off a trailer is primarily a problem if it is
done in the water on this shallow beach. The wheels on the boat will
be a big help at the water's edge of this kind of beach, however. The
answer is a boat with beach wheels only. These won't need springs and
will operate only at low speed so they can be light and minimum drag.
No springs or axle needed. A rowing boat, even large enough to take a
daysailing party, will be light enough to drag up and down the beach
on its wheels. With a winch, it can quickly be gotten on and off of a
light, snowmobile type, trailer.

I'll have a sketch of this idea on the web site soon.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Tender.htm

Thanks to everyone who responded to the original posts. The comments
(mostly negative) really contributed to giving this some more thought.

--

Roger Long

--

Roger Long



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I have a 14' aluminum Jon boat, for fishing, that sounds like what
you're looking for. Very light, rows easily. They can be found used
for a few hundred $$.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Roger Long" wrote in message
news I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to
the in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the
short trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the
weight and drag of wheels and suspension capable of operating at
driving speeds.


For reasons of:


Aesthetics

Cost

Ecology

Teaching kids seamanship

Aggravation (not dealing with a balky "bargain" outboard)

Storage

Maintenance (frequent water pump impeller replacement operating over
sand)

Peace

I would prefer to row the short distance back and forth to the boat,
just as long as I don't have to do it a half dozen times at the
beginning and end of each trip.

Getting a boat on and off a trailer is primarily a problem if it is
done in the water on this shallow beach. The wheels on the boat will
be a big help at the water's edge of this kind of beach, however. The
answer is a boat with beach wheels only. These won't need springs and
will operate only at low speed so they can be light and minimum drag.
No springs or axle needed. A rowing boat, even large enough to take a
daysailing party, will be light enough to drag up and down the beach
on its wheels. With a winch, it can quickly be gotten on and off of a
light, snowmobile type, trailer.

I'll have a sketch of this idea on the web site soon.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Tender.htm

Thanks to everyone who responded to the original posts. The comments
(mostly negative) really contributed to giving this some more thought.

--

Roger Long

Carriage? What carriage? This is a computer.

--

Roger Long



"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:11:33 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to the
in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the short
trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the weight and drag
of wheels and suspension capable of operating at driving speeds.


Roger, I don't know if you switched newsreaders or what, but you need to
set your carriage return to 70 or 72 characters.

Not that I know of. What setting is annoying you?

--

Roger Long



"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:14:46 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Carriage? What carriage? This is a computer.

I know, but you've been a bad boy and have been playing with your
Outlook settings.

I don't have any problem reading his posts, what news reader are you using?
Doesn't it have word wrap? I just always use Outlook Express and I can't
say I'm overly knowledgably in the proper protocols or other readers so I'm
just curious.

John


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:46:34 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Not that I know of. What setting is annoying you?

It just doesn't annoy me. Your post starting with ......

" I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to
the in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the
short trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the weight
and drag of wheels and suspension capable of operating at driving
speeds."

Had the lines a mile long (from side-to-side) which makes people have to
scroll the screen horizontally in order read it which is a royal pain.

I read most of your posts and haven't seen this before. The setting is
line length - carriage return or just "cr" which is generally set at
70 or 72 spaces so posts will fit on most screen in the width and only
have to be scrolled up and down.

Since I had not seen that before from you, I thought you fiddled with
your Outlook Express settings.

================================================== ========

1. Go to the "Options..." command under the "Tools" menu (located at
the top of the screen)
2. Choose the "Send" section of the options screen.
3. The first subsection is called Mail Sending Format. There should
be two bubbles: HTML and plain text. Next to each is a bubble saying
"Settings..." Click the button next to the plain text bubble.
4. Second line from the bottom of the new window says, "Automatically
wrap text at (blank) characters, when sending." Change the number in
that blank to 72.
5. Click the "OK" button in the upper right hand corner of the grey
area.
6. Click the "OK" button at the bottom of the options screen.

Congrats, you just set up Microsoft Outlook Express to send messages
that are in plain text with a line length of 72 characters (the internet
standard line length). Now everyone will like your messages more *grin*

From your instructions it looks like you are using Outlook Express also as
your new reader. I just played with it a bit and could not find any setting
that would make Roger's messages behave as you say when I read them.
Outlook Express seams to always wrap long lines. Are you using a different
reader?

John

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:46:34 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Not that I know of. What setting is annoying you?

It just doesn't annoy me. Your post starting with ......

" I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to
the in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the
short trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the weight
and drag of wheels and suspension capable of operating at driving
speeds."

Had the lines a mile long (from side-to-side) which makes people have to
scroll the screen horizontally in order read it which is a royal pain.

I read most of your posts and haven't seen this before. The setting is
line length - carriage return or just "cr" which is generally set at
70 or 72 spaces so posts will fit on most screen in the width and only
have to be scrolled up and down.

Since I had not seen that before from you, I thought you fiddled with
your Outlook Express settings.

================================================== ========

1. Go to the "Options..." command under the "Tools" menu (located at
the top of the screen)
2. Choose the "Send" section of the options screen.
3. The first subsection is called Mail Sending Format. There should
be two bubbles: HTML and plain text. Next to each is a bubble saying
"Settings..." Click the button next to the plain text bubble.
4. Second line from the bottom of the new window says, "Automatically
wrap text at (blank) characters, when sending." Change the number in
that blank to 72.
5. Click the "OK" button in the upper right hand corner of the grey
area.
6. Click the "OK" button at the bottom of the options screen.

Congrats, you just set up Microsoft Outlook Express to send messages
that are in plain text with a line length of 72 characters (the internet
standard line length). Now everyone will like your messages more *grin*

I went back and read my own posts. The lines would wrap automatically
as I changed window size. I did find the line setting and change it
from 76 to 70 but it didn't effect anything.

I've always thought that these kind of communications shouldn't have
any line feeds at all because screen sized vary and the viewers take
care of the formatting. Putting in your own line feeds often results
in every other line only having a couple of words.

--

Roger Long



"Johnhh" wrote in message
...
I don't have any problem reading his posts, what news reader are you
using? Doesn't it have word wrap? I just always use Outlook Express
and I can't say I'm overly knowledgably in the proper protocols or
other readers so I'm just curious.

John


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:46:34 GMT, "Roger Long"

wrote:

Not that I know of. What setting is annoying you?

It just doesn't annoy me. Your post starting with ......

" I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving
out to
the in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on
the
short trips this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the
weight
and drag of wheels and suspension capable of operating at driving
speeds."

Had the lines a mile long (from side-to-side) which makes people
have to
scroll the screen horizontally in order read it which is a royal
pain.

I read most of your posts and haven't seen this before. The
setting is
line length - carriage return or just "cr" which is generally set
at
70 or 72 spaces so posts will fit on most screen in the width and
only
have to be scrolled up and down.

Since I had not seen that before from you, I thought you fiddled
with
your Outlook Express settings.

================================================== ========

1. Go to the "Options..." command under the "Tools" menu (located
at
the top of the screen)
2. Choose the "Send" section of the options screen.
3. The first subsection is called Mail Sending Format. There
should
be two bubbles: HTML and plain text. Next to each is a bubble
saying
"Settings..." Click the button next to the plain text bubble.
4. Second line from the bottom of the new window says,
"Automatically
wrap text at (blank) characters, when sending." Change the number
in
that blank to 72.
5. Click the "OK" button in the upper right hand corner of the
grey
area.
6. Click the "OK" button at the bottom of the options screen.

Congrats, you just set up Microsoft Outlook Express to send
messages
that are in plain text with a line length of 72 characters (the
internet
standard line length). Now everyone will like your messages more
*grin*

Johnhh wrote:
From your instructions it looks like you are using Outlook Express also as
your new reader.
naw, WaIIy is much l33t3r than that. He uses Forte (crowd oohs and ahhs)

I once saw a guy who aparently had a similar problem to your's. (this was
back around 1960 in the Hudson River). He had solved it by modifying a small
(12 ft?) aluminum boat. He had steel brackets attached to the side rail
areas that were pivoting arms. On these arms were stub axles and wheels
which he could rotate down so they extended below the boat, allowing him to
tow the boat on the highway and launch it. Once in the water he pivoted the
wheel assemblies up 90 degrees so they didn't create drag in the water. He
also had a short trailer tongue and hitch bolted to the bow of the boat
which he could pivot and lock in a straight up position when using the boat
in the water or pivot and lock it down for towing. I can remember seeing
him both towing and using it several times over about a 2 year period. It
seemed to work quite well for him, but it did look a little strange. It all
looked as if it had been home made and not something that he had purchased
and I can remember thinking that it was a pretty ingenius design at the
time.

--
Charley



"Roger Long" wrote in message
news I had a long time to ponder this during eight hours of driving out to the
in-laws and back for New Year's. The need for an outboard on the short trips
this boat will make is driven almost entirely by the weight and drag of
wheels and suspension capable of operating at driving speeds.

For reasons of:

Aesthetics
Cost
Ecology
Teaching kids seamanship
Aggravation (not dealing with a balky "bargain" outboard)
Storage
Maintenance (frequent water pump impeller replacement operating over sand)
Peace
I would prefer to row the short distance back and forth to the boat, just as
long as I don't have to do it a half dozen times at the beginning and end of
each trip.
Getting a boat on and off a trailer is primarily a problem if it is done in
the water on this shallow beach. The wheels on the boat will be a big help
at the water's edge of this kind of beach, however. The answer is a boat
with beach wheels only. These won't need springs and will operate only at
low speed so they can be light and minimum drag. No springs or axle needed.
A rowing boat, even large enough to take a daysailing party, will be light
enough to drag up and down the beach on its wheels. With a winch, it can
quickly be gotten on and off of a light, snowmobile type, trailer.
I'll have a sketch of this idea on the web site soon.
http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Tender.htm
Thanks to everyone who responded to the original posts. The comments
(mostly negative) really contributed to giving this some more thought.

--

Roger Long