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Skip Gundlach January 1st 05 04:52 PM

*Ping* interior sunbrella fabricator
 
I apologize for not recalling who it is here with a marine canvas shop. I
need to pick your brain on finding Sunbrella interior fabrics.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



JAXAshby January 1st 05 11:30 PM

I apologize for not recalling who it is here with a marine canvas shop. I
need to pick your brain on finding Sunbrella interior fabrics.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip and Lydia


email me. I may know.



--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain











Doug Dotson January 2nd 05 12:34 AM

Try Manart-Hirsch in Lynbrook, NY. www.manart-hirsch.com.
SAilrite probably carries it as well but their prices tend to be
higher.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
I apologize for not recalling who it is here with a marine canvas shop. I
need to pick your brain on finding Sunbrella interior fabrics.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain





Skip Gundlach January 2nd 05 01:10 AM

I see by the responses that my razor-sharp communications have, as usual,
only served to bleed me :{/)

I'm looking to find where to look for interior patterns. Once found, I
presume I'll be able to buy them in various places. Without knowing what's
available, we'd chase all over here and yon before finding something we
liked.

So, someone in the business surely would know where and how to see patterns
for Sunbrella interior fabrics on line.

Sorry for the ill-communicated request...

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
I apologize for not recalling who it is here with a marine canvas shop. I
need to pick your brain on finding Sunbrella interior fabrics.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain





Doug Dotson January 2nd 05 09:21 PM

Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
I see by the responses that my razor-sharp communications have, as usual,
only served to bleed me :{/)

I'm looking to find where to look for interior patterns. Once found, I
presume I'll be able to buy them in various places. Without knowing what's
available, we'd chase all over here and yon before finding something we
liked.

So, someone in the business surely would know where and how to see
patterns
for Sunbrella interior fabrics on line.

Sorry for the ill-communicated request...

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
I apologize for not recalling who it is here with a marine canvas shop.
I
need to pick your brain on finding Sunbrella interior fabrics.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain







Skip Gundlach January 2nd 05 09:56 PM

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?



I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Rick January 2nd 05 10:30 PM

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:52:45 -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote:

I apologize for not recalling who it is here with a marine canvas shop. I
need to pick your brain on finding Sunbrella interior fabrics.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

On the left side of the page they list different uses. If you look you can
find floral prints.
What do you want to do with the fabric? Upholstery, awnings, curtains?
http://www.outdoortextiles.com/browsesunbrella.php

Doug Dotson January 3rd 05 03:37 AM

It looks like the website only has a few of the furniture fabrics
listed. Our sample book has about 150 or so. If you call
Glenn Raven Mills or one of the distributors I would think
they could loan you a book.

Doug

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?



I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain





Rosalie B. January 6th 05 12:20 AM

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia


grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. January 6th 05 12:28 AM

Rosalie B. wrote:

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


I remember the term for that kind of fabric - Jacquards. Something
similar to:

http://www.outdoorfabrics.com/show_f...abric=45070-06

Actually someone we know told us about a fabric store that was going
out of business (really final, not just periodical) and they had
Sunbrella, which we bought some of to do winch covers etc., and I
found dark jacquards with a small pattern, like dark blue with a
lighter weave of some color - mostly geometric patterns. I couldn't
get enough to do all the cushions in the boat, so I got three
different patterns - one for the V-berth, one for the main saloon and
one for the aft cabin. I don't see why they all have to been the same
anyway.



However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia


grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

Doug Dotson January 6th 05 05:30 PM

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia


grandma Rosalie




Rosalie B. January 6th 05 08:06 PM

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista


Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia


grandma Rosalie



grandma Rosalie

Doug Dotson January 7th 05 03:08 AM

For cockpit cushions we usually make them totally out of
Textilene and use AquaBatten as the foam. That way when
they get wet, the water just drains right out of them.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista


Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
. ..
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can
easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior
suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old
press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who
has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie



grandma Rosalie




Rosalie B. January 7th 05 04:45 AM

Well if what we did doesn't work, it will probably last longer than we
do anyway. And if not, we'll just make new cushions.

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

For cockpit cushions we usually make them totally out of
Textilene and use AquaBatten as the foam. That way when
they get wet, the water just drains right out of them.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista


Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can
easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior
suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old
press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who
has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie



grandma Rosalie

Doug Dotson January 7th 05 05:57 PM

All depends upoin the environment. We had some brand new
salon cushions that were fine when we left B'more, but by the
time we got to the Delaware River they had mildewed. Rain
all the way. Another risk is shrinkage (not the George Kastanza
type :). Our salon cushions have been on for years. Decided last
winter to remove them and wash them. The material was supposed
to be preshrunk, WRONG! Now all our cushions are somewhat
small. Oh Well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Well if what we did doesn't work, it will probably last longer than we
do anyway. And if not, we'll just make new cushions.

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

For cockpit cushions we usually make them totally out of
Textilene and use AquaBatten as the foam. That way when
they get wet, the water just drains right out of them.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
m...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can
easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior
stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to
be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my
going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior
suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old
press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who
has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which
does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are
you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie



grandma Rosalie




Skip Gundlach February 1st 05 12:38 AM

Followup to my own post:

Apparently Glenn Raven Mills (Sunbrella) has just come out with a new line
of interior fabrics.

A guy I'm working with in St. Pete loaned me the new book, just received
from his supplier, saying that these were in response to unsatisfactory
results (fraying, durability issues) with the first batch (released a few
years ago).

Unfortunately for our purposes immediately (covering new custom foam
Tempur-Pedic look-alike mattresses), the stuff is way too stiff, and will
have to be reserved for salon and other seating surfaces.

However, that said, there's an extensive line of very attractive fabrics now
available with the purported wear, stain resistance, etc. characteristics of
the exterior stuff but of a more suitable weight and style for interiors or
sunrooms and the like.

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain




Doug Dotson February 1st 05 02:58 AM

We just covered a memory foam matress last summer. The customer
requested an upolstery fabric though. I'm curious why you are going after
Sunbrella? In the years we have been in the business I can't recall any
customer wanting Sunbrella for interior cushions. Sometimes for cockpit
cushions for obvious reasons but is standard marine grade Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Followup to my own post:

Apparently Glenn Raven Mills (Sunbrella) has just come out with a new line
of interior fabrics.

A guy I'm working with in St. Pete loaned me the new book, just received
from his supplier, saying that these were in response to unsatisfactory
results (fraying, durability issues) with the first batch (released a few
years ago).

Unfortunately for our purposes immediately (covering new custom foam
Tempur-Pedic look-alike mattresses), the stuff is way too stiff, and will
have to be reserved for salon and other seating surfaces.

However, that said, there's an extensive line of very attractive fabrics
now
available with the purported wear, stain resistance, etc. characteristics
of
the exterior stuff but of a more suitable weight and style for interiors
or
sunrooms and the like.

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain






Skip Gundlach February 1st 05 04:10 AM

Hi, Doug, and List,

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We just covered a memory foam matress last summer. The customer
requested an upolstery fabric though. I'm curious why you are going after
Sunbrella? In the years we have been in the business I can't recall any
customer wanting Sunbrella for interior cushions. Sometimes for cockpit
cushions for obvious reasons but is standard marine grade Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista


We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers, which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin terry.

TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well. We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same challenges.

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed. We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we
almost bought a boat (High Time, the one which failed on survey with no
allowance for the results) from the local rep, who's also a broker, and
developed a nice relationship with him. So, we think breathability will be
well addressed, but without some barrier (like the Gore-Tex, or the
originally planned Sunbrella Interior) fabric, wonder if we'd best do the
belt and suspenders route, particularly since this will be a tropical
application.

Thanks for any acquired wisdom you may share :{))

L8R

Skip and Lydia, inching our way to completion of refit

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Doug Dotson February 1st 05 02:12 PM

Comments below.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Hi, Doug, and List,

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We just covered a memory foam matress last summer. The customer
requested an upolstery fabric though. I'm curious why you are going after
Sunbrella? In the years we have been in the business I can't recall any
customer wanting Sunbrella for interior cushions. Sometimes for cockpit
cushions for obvious reasons but is standard marine grade Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista


We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers, which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin terry.


We covered our v-berth cushions with ticking. The same sort of stuff
used on regular matresses and pillows. That has worked for years. We also
have a matress pad for some additional comfort.

TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't
transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB
after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well.
We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same challenges.


Gore-Tex does seem a strange choice for an interior cushion. Not sure
what you mean about challenges with upolstery material. .

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed.


We generally make the bottoms out of Textilene mesh.

We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we


We have something similar under all our cushions in sleeping quarters.
Works very well.

almost bought a boat (High Time, the one which failed on survey with no
allowance for the results) from the local rep, who's also a broker, and
developed a nice relationship with him. So, we think breathability will
be
well addressed, but without some barrier (like the Gore-Tex, or the
originally planned Sunbrella Interior) fabric, wonder if we'd best do the
belt and suspenders route, particularly since this will be a tropical
application.


Gore-Tex does breathe. That is one of its strengths so it wouldn't make a
very
good vapor barrier.

Thanks for any acquired wisdom you may share :{))

L8R

Skip and Lydia, inching our way to completion of refit

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain





Skip Gundlach February 1st 05 05:56 PM

Hi, Doug, and group,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers,

which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin terry.


We covered our v-berth cushions with ticking. The same sort of stuff
used on regular matresses and pillows. That has worked for years. We also
have a matress pad for some additional comfort.


Our upholstery guy advocated that, too - but if it's the same stuff, we
think it's beyond ugly (basically miniature awning stripe material). As (at
least from him), it's about as expensive as the Sunbrella interior stuff,
that made it even more unattractive :{))


TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't
transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB
after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well.
We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same

challenges.

Gore-Tex does seem a strange choice for an interior cushion. Not sure
what you mean about challenges with upolstery material. .


Challenges in that it would not adequately pass heat (visco-elastic foam
relies on body heat to deform to suit) and that it would be too stiff (not
adequately deform to allow full depression on pressure points).

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted us was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is the stain
and water resistance (see above).

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some

interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed.


We generally make the bottoms out of Textilene mesh.


That's what we're anticipating, as well and ...

We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we


We have something similar under all our cushions in sleeping quarters.
Works very well.


.... Combined with the firm mesh underlayment, we expect the foam to stay
fresh in nearly any conditions other than swamping with sea water.

Gore-Tex does breathe. That is one of its strengths so it wouldn't make a
very
good vapor barrier.


Well, yes - but we're not looking for a vapor barrier, but rather, a
moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any way.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Doug Dotson February 2nd 05 12:55 AM

Skip & Group:

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Hi, Doug, and group,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give
enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers,

which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin
terry.


We covered our v-berth cushions with ticking. The same sort of stuff
used on regular matresses and pillows. That has worked for years. We also
have a matress pad for some additional comfort.


Our upholstery guy advocated that, too - but if it's the same stuff, we
think it's beyond ugly (basically miniature awning stripe material). As
(at
least from him), it's about as expensive as the Sunbrella interior stuff,
that made it even more unattractive :{))


It does look like a mini awning stripe material. But you have to understand
how we use it. Our sleeping cushions are rarely exposed to the naked eye
just like your bed at home. They are made up with a fitted mattress pad
and fitted sheets and topped off with a top sheet (in summer) or a duvet
containing a down comforter (in cool weather). It is synthetic so it does
not mildew and is pretty soft. It costs less than a third per yard than
Sunbrella and is 63" wide so goes farther as well.


TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't
transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB
after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well.
We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same

challenges.

Gore-Tex does seem a strange choice for an interior cushion. Not sure
what you mean about challenges with upolstery material. .


Challenges in that it would not adequately pass heat (visco-elastic foam
relies on body heat to deform to suit) and that it would be too stiff (not
adequately deform to allow full depression on pressure points).


Just checked with the Goddess Of Canvas and I was mistaken. The
memory foam matress we did was covered with a Jersey Knit material
It was a synthetic (acrylic she thinks) So it does not mildew.

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted us was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.


We have no direct expreience with this approach. The G-Of-C doesn't
think you would be happy with the result though.

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is the
stain
and water resistance (see above).


The upolstery material we use is stain and water resistant and available in
hundreds of styles. We've had ours for 5 years and have no stains yet. Only
blemish is when a guest broke a bottle of clear fingernail polish and it
spilled
on one of the cushions.

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some

interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed.


We generally make the bottoms out of Textilene mesh.


That's what we're anticipating, as well and ...

We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we


We have something similar under all our cushions in sleeping quarters.
Works very well.


... Combined with the firm mesh underlayment, we expect the foam to stay
fresh in nearly any conditions other than swamping with sea water.


That is our experience. If our 43' boat gets swamped then the cushions
are the least of our worries! :)

Gore-Tex does breathe. That is one of its strengths so it wouldn't make a
very
good vapor barrier.


Well, yes - but we're not looking for a vapor barrier, but rather, a
moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any way.


That was a comment from the G-Of-C. She was wondering where you
would get some. We are manufacturers but have never had any use for it.
Not sure if they would sell in the small quantities we might use anyway.
We use GoreTex thread on a regular basis but that's a different situation.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain





Skip Gundlach February 2nd 05 04:13 PM

Here we are again :{))

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Skip & Group:


(bedding covers discussion):

It does look like a mini awning stripe material. But you have to

understand
how we use it. Our sleeping cushions are rarely exposed to the naked eye
just like your bed at home. They are made up with a fitted mattress pad
and fitted sheets and topped off with a top sheet (in summer) or a duvet
containing a down comforter (in cool weather). It is synthetic so it does
not mildew and is pretty soft. It costs less than a third per yard than
Sunbrella and is 63" wide so goes farther as well.


Interesting. My guy claims his is similar in price (and the roll he's got
looks like 63, but I didn't measure it). Point taken on visibility.
There's gotta be some same-material/different-pattern alternative, though!
Any suggestions?

As to us, we're planning on making custom sheets from flat stock (can't find
any roll stock of 400TPI), and sleeping with a loose lightweight cover or if
it proves too cool, a down comforter/duvet-covered over a loose sheet. The
Vee will be easier, as there's a place to tuck to, but our cabin's
configuration won't work for that. We thought a bit about a bed-in-a-bag
solution, but figured that the less barrier to our body heat the better for
a visco-elastic bed.

Just checked with the Goddess Of Canvas and I was mistaken. The
memory foam matress we did was covered with a Jersey Knit material
It was a synthetic (acrylic she thinks) So it does not mildew.


Do you have a source? Or, are you saying the mattress arrived with the
manufacturer's cover, and you put something else over it?

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted us

was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.


We have no direct expreience with this approach. The G-Of-C doesn't
think you would be happy with the result though.


Turns out to be a moot point (see below)...

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery

material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is the
stain
and water resistance (see above).


The upolstery material we use is stain and water resistant and available

in
hundreds of styles. We've had ours for 5 years and have no stains yet.

Only
blemish is when a guest broke a bottle of clear fingernail polish and it
spilled
on one of the cushions.


Hm. I'd thought that you were the source who twigged me to memory-file the
Sunbrella interior stuff. What do you use?

moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any way.


That was a comment from the G-Of-C. She was wondering where you
would get some. We are manufacturers but have never had any use for it.
Not sure if they would sell in the small quantities we might use anyway.
We use GoreTex thread on a regular basis but that's a different situation.


Indeed. We gave up on finding any - and also on the concept, as 1) the
manufacturer of the "real thing" quit using it (perhaps due to expense, but
at least nominally because of performance issues) and 2) the stuff is so
ungodly expensive that 1) above clinched it.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain



Doug Dotson February 2nd 05 09:20 PM

Send me a message directly, the group has probably gotten tired
of this :) Some final in-the-group comments below though:

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Here we are again :{))

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Skip & Group:


(bedding covers discussion):

It does look like a mini awning stripe material. But you have to

understand
how we use it. Our sleeping cushions are rarely exposed to the naked eye
just like your bed at home. They are made up with a fitted mattress pad
and fitted sheets and topped off with a top sheet (in summer) or a duvet
containing a down comforter (in cool weather). It is synthetic so it does
not mildew and is pretty soft. It costs less than a third per yard than
Sunbrella and is 63" wide so goes farther as well.


Interesting. My guy claims his is similar in price (and the roll he's got
looks like 63, but I didn't measure it). Point taken on visibility.
There's gotta be some same-material/different-pattern alternative, though!
Any suggestions?


Sounds like you need a new guy :) Our experience is that the synthetic
ticking is always the blue/white strip kind of thing. Others are available
with little butterflys etc but are 100% cotton. We can get you some if
you decide to go that way.

As to us, we're planning on making custom sheets from flat stock (can't
find
any roll stock of 400TPI),


We buy regular flat sheets at the store and fabricate them.

and sleeping with a loose lightweight cover or if
it proves too cool, a down comforter/duvet-covered over a loose sheet.
The
Vee will be easier, as there's a place to tuck to, but our cabin's
configuration won't work for that. We thought a bit about a bed-in-a-bag
solution, but figured that the less barrier to our body heat the better
for
a visco-elastic bed.

Just checked with the Goddess Of Canvas and I was mistaken. The
memory foam matress we did was covered with a Jersey Knit material
It was a synthetic (acrylic she thinks) So it does not mildew.


Do you have a source? Or, are you saying the mattress arrived with the
manufacturer's cover, and you put something else over it?


Jersey Knit can be bought at any fabric store. The matress we did came
with a cover but was never installed. The customer provided the Jersey
Knit which they bought at JoAnn Fabrics or some such place.

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted us

was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.


We have no direct expreience with this approach. The G-Of-C doesn't
think you would be happy with the result though.


Turns out to be a moot point (see below)...

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery

material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is the
stain
and water resistance (see above).


The upolstery material we use is stain and water resistant and available

in
hundreds of styles. We've had ours for 5 years and have no stains yet.

Only
blemish is when a guest broke a bottle of clear fingernail polish and it
spilled
on one of the cushions.


Hm. I'd thought that you were the source who twigged me to memory-file
the
Sunbrella interior stuff. What do you use?


I think I may have answered some questions about interior Sunbrella, but
I can't recall ever actually using any for a customer. For upolstery
material contact Douglass Industries in Egg Harbor, NJ. They have a huge
selection of upolstery fabric.

moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any way.


That was a comment from the G-Of-C. She was wondering where you
would get some. We are manufacturers but have never had any use for it.
Not sure if they would sell in the small quantities we might use anyway.
We use GoreTex thread on a regular basis but that's a different
situation.


Indeed. We gave up on finding any - and also on the concept, as 1) the
manufacturer of the "real thing" quit using it (perhaps due to expense,
but
at least nominally because of performance issues) and 2) the stuff is so
ungodly expensive that 1) above clinched it.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain





Skip Gundlach March 15th 05 12:16 AM

Well, after all that, it appears we're going to be using a knit terry
velour. No give in the SB stuff, which would negate a large portion of the
benefit of the bed.

FWIW, having now slept aboard for about 3 weeks from getting the beds, I can
say it's totally awesome. My shoulder, which has yet another operation in
front of it, is entirely without pain when I get up, as contrasted with
anything else I've slept on since my operation.

I got mine, custom cut (used kraft paper base pattern, with appropriate hull
curvature outboard notations), from foamproducts.net, in Tarpon Springs, FL.
They include shipping anywhere in the US in their prices for their beds, and
include a pillow, to boot.

L8R

Skip, home briefly, and "suffering" on my previously perfect-for-my-back bed
:{))

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Send me a message directly, the group has probably gotten tired
of this :) Some final in-the-group comments below though:

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Here we are again :{))

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Skip & Group:


(bedding covers discussion):

It does look like a mini awning stripe material. But you have to

understand
how we use it. Our sleeping cushions are rarely exposed to the naked

eye
just like your bed at home. They are made up with a fitted mattress pad


and fitted sheets and topped off with a top sheet (in summer) or a

duvet
containing a down comforter (in cool weather). It is synthetic so it

does
not mildew and is pretty soft. It costs less than a third per yard

than
Sunbrella and is 63" wide so goes farther as well.


Interesting. My guy claims his is similar in price (and the roll he's

got
looks like 63, but I didn't measure it). Point taken on visibility.
There's gotta be some same-material/different-pattern alternative,

though!
Any suggestions?


Sounds like you need a new guy :) Our experience is that the synthetic
ticking is always the blue/white strip kind of thing. Others are available
with little butterflys etc but are 100% cotton. We can get you some if
you decide to go that way.

As to us, we're planning on making custom sheets from flat stock (can't
find
any roll stock of 400TPI),


We buy regular flat sheets at the store and fabricate them.

and sleeping with a loose lightweight cover or if
it proves too cool, a down comforter/duvet-covered over a loose sheet.
The
Vee will be easier, as there's a place to tuck to, but our cabin's
configuration won't work for that. We thought a bit about a

bed-in-a-bag
solution, but figured that the less barrier to our body heat the better
for
a visco-elastic bed.

Just checked with the Goddess Of Canvas and I was mistaken. The
memory foam matress we did was covered with a Jersey Knit material
It was a synthetic (acrylic she thinks) So it does not mildew.


Do you have a source? Or, are you saying the mattress arrived with the
manufacturer's cover, and you put something else over it?


Jersey Knit can be bought at any fabric store. The matress we did came
with a cover but was never installed. The customer provided the Jersey
Knit which they bought at JoAnn Fabrics or some such place.

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted

us
was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a

sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.

We have no direct expreience with this approach. The G-Of-C doesn't
think you would be happy with the result though.


Turns out to be a moot point (see below)...

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery

material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is the
stain
and water resistance (see above).

The upolstery material we use is stain and water resistant and

available
in
hundreds of styles. We've had ours for 5 years and have no stains yet.

Only
blemish is when a guest broke a bottle of clear fingernail polish and

it
spilled
on one of the cushions.


Hm. I'd thought that you were the source who twigged me to memory-file
the
Sunbrella interior stuff. What do you use?


I think I may have answered some questions about interior Sunbrella, but
I can't recall ever actually using any for a customer. For upolstery
material contact Douglass Industries in Egg Harbor, NJ. They have a huge
selection of upolstery fabric.

moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any

way.

That was a comment from the G-Of-C. She was wondering where you
would get some. We are manufacturers but have never had any use for it.
Not sure if they would sell in the small quantities we might use

anyway.
We use GoreTex thread on a regular basis but that's a different
situation.


Indeed. We gave up on finding any - and also on the concept, as 1) the
manufacturer of the "real thing" quit using it (perhaps due to expense,
but
at least nominally because of performance issues) and 2) the stuff is so
ungodly expensive that 1) above clinched it.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain







Doug Dotson March 15th 05 01:42 AM

Sounds like a great deal! Sleep Well!

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Well, after all that, it appears we're going to be using a knit terry
velour. No give in the SB stuff, which would negate a large portion of
the
benefit of the bed.

FWIW, having now slept aboard for about 3 weeks from getting the beds, I
can
say it's totally awesome. My shoulder, which has yet another operation in
front of it, is entirely without pain when I get up, as contrasted with
anything else I've slept on since my operation.

I got mine, custom cut (used kraft paper base pattern, with appropriate
hull
curvature outboard notations), from foamproducts.net, in Tarpon Springs,
FL.
They include shipping anywhere in the US in their prices for their beds,
and
include a pillow, to boot.

L8R

Skip, home briefly, and "suffering" on my previously perfect-for-my-back
bed
:{))

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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Send me a message directly, the group has probably gotten tired
of this :) Some final in-the-group comments below though:

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Here we are again :{))

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Skip & Group:

(bedding covers discussion):

It does look like a mini awning stripe material. But you have to
understand
how we use it. Our sleeping cushions are rarely exposed to the naked

eye
just like your bed at home. They are made up with a fitted mattress
pad


and fitted sheets and topped off with a top sheet (in summer) or a

duvet
containing a down comforter (in cool weather). It is synthetic so it

does
not mildew and is pretty soft. It costs less than a third per yard

than
Sunbrella and is 63" wide so goes farther as well.

Interesting. My guy claims his is similar in price (and the roll he's

got
looks like 63, but I didn't measure it). Point taken on visibility.
There's gotta be some same-material/different-pattern alternative,

though!
Any suggestions?


Sounds like you need a new guy :) Our experience is that the synthetic
ticking is always the blue/white strip kind of thing. Others are
available
with little butterflys etc but are 100% cotton. We can get you some if
you decide to go that way.

As to us, we're planning on making custom sheets from flat stock (can't
find
any roll stock of 400TPI),


We buy regular flat sheets at the store and fabricate them.

and sleeping with a loose lightweight cover or if
it proves too cool, a down comforter/duvet-covered over a loose sheet.
The
Vee will be easier, as there's a place to tuck to, but our cabin's
configuration won't work for that. We thought a bit about a

bed-in-a-bag
solution, but figured that the less barrier to our body heat the better
for
a visco-elastic bed.

Just checked with the Goddess Of Canvas and I was mistaken. The
memory foam matress we did was covered with a Jersey Knit material
It was a synthetic (acrylic she thinks) So it does not mildew.

Do you have a source? Or, are you saying the mattress arrived with the
manufacturer's cover, and you put something else over it?


Jersey Knit can be bought at any fabric store. The matress we did came
with a cover but was never installed. The customer provided the Jersey
Knit which they bought at JoAnn Fabrics or some such place.

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted

us
was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a

sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other
natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.

We have no direct expreience with this approach. The G-Of-C doesn't
think you would be happy with the result though.

Turns out to be a moot point (see below)...

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery
material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is
the
stain
and water resistance (see above).

The upolstery material we use is stain and water resistant and

available
in
hundreds of styles. We've had ours for 5 years and have no stains yet.
Only
blemish is when a guest broke a bottle of clear fingernail polish and

it
spilled
on one of the cushions.

Hm. I'd thought that you were the source who twigged me to memory-file
the
Sunbrella interior stuff. What do you use?


I think I may have answered some questions about interior Sunbrella, but
I can't recall ever actually using any for a customer. For upolstery
material contact Douglass Industries in Egg Harbor, NJ. They have a huge
selection of upolstery fabric.

moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any

way.

That was a comment from the G-Of-C. She was wondering where you
would get some. We are manufacturers but have never had any use for
it.
Not sure if they would sell in the small quantities we might use

anyway.
We use GoreTex thread on a regular basis but that's a different
situation.


Indeed. We gave up on finding any - and also on the concept, as 1) the
manufacturer of the "real thing" quit using it (perhaps due to expense,
but
at least nominally because of performance issues) and 2) the stuff is
so
ungodly expensive that 1) above clinched it.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain









Skip Gundlach on wifi May 31st 05 10:02 PM

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...

Which one did you get?


Apologies for the long delay - new computer, plus being away from newsgroup
access...

We got ours custom made by a company literally one block up the street from
Hotwire Enterprises, supplier for our electrical refit. In Tarpon Springs,
FL, foamproducts.net, and they have a "forum" which is more like their
version of email.

We went with a very firm 5" base, and the high-density visco-elastic for the
3" top, custom laminated and cut, in order to exactly emulate the
Tempur-Pedic mattress (which also has the same sorf of covers as we've
ordered, but with their logo on it/them). Very large (queen athwart, plus
two singles in-line) aft cabin, plus 7Wx7L Vee, custom cut based on my paper
patterns and many intermediate angle references, was right at a boat unit.
We'll spend about that much in the custom covers (8 pieces - about 20 56"
yards - all told) of terry velour, with vent mesh bottoms. We picked it up,
but free shipping is included, as is a free pillow with each bed ordered.

We're doing a belt-and-suspenders approach to mildew/mold/moisture
prevention as well, using VentAir bases. It's a huge treat to sleep on this
mattress system - and cheaper versions of the same thing are available from
them, plus your boat may not have anything approaching the huge area we
have, so your cost may be very different from ours. Once the aft and Vee
cabin is actually finished, I'll put up pix of the mattresses as they
arrived and as covered, which is being sewn now.

Hope this was useful info, despite its late arrival...

L8R

Skip and Lydia, refitting as fast as I can

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain




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