We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

For cockpit cushions we usually make them totally out of
Textilene and use AquaBatten as the foam. That way when
they get wet, the water just drains right out of them.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
. ..
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can
easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior
suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old
press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who
has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

Well if what we did doesn't work, it will probably last longer than we
do anyway. And if not, we'll just make new cushions.

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

For cockpit cushions we usually make them totally out of
Textilene and use AquaBatten as the foam. That way when
they get wet, the water just drains right out of them.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
.. .
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can
easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior
suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old
press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who
has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

All depends upoin the environment. We had some brand new
salon cushions that were fine when we left B'more, but by the
time we got to the Delaware River they had mildewed. Rain
all the way. Another risk is shrinkage (not the George Kastanza
type . Our salon cushions have been on for years. Decided last
winter to remove them and wash them. The material was supposed
to be preshrunk, WRONG! Now all our cushions are somewhat
small. Oh Well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
Well if what we did doesn't work, it will probably last longer than we
do anyway. And if not, we'll just make new cushions.

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

For cockpit cushions we usually make them totally out of
Textilene and use AquaBatten as the foam. That way when
they get wet, the water just drains right out of them.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:

We usually make the bottoms of the cushions out of a mesh like
Textilene. That was any trapped water can drain out rather than
puddle and eventually rot the cushion.

Doug
s/v Callista

Well the original cushions were 20 years old and have not rotted. I'm
talking about mattresses in the cabins and the cushions on the settee
in the saloon not the cockpit cushions. We replaced the insides when
we reupholstered because they were getting a bit 'limp' and the PO's
guest burnt a hole in the main saloon one.


"Rosalie B." wrote in message
m...
"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot
fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote:

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
Have you checked the Sunbrella website?

I went first to Sunbrella.com - but was not very successful in finding
*interior* fabrics. That's been the challenge - I've seen, and can
easily
find (and may also, once pointed, be able easily to find interior
stuff)
exterior stuff.

Why use Sunbrella? The good thing about Sunbrella is the UV
resistance and you don't need that inside. We've used regular double
woven upholstery fabric with vinyl or some plastic fabric on the
bottoms of the cushions in the salon. That is, the tops and welting
on the cushions is the upholstery fabric and the bottom side is
waterproof. That's the way the cushions were originally and we've
kept it that way.


However, anything looking like furniture or interior always seemed to
be
related to patio stuff. That they hired someone (part of the google
search
so helpfully suggested by another poster about 1000 hits after my
going
directly to Sunbrella.com proved unfruitful) just to do interior
suggests
they must have a significant range of patterns - the over-a-year-old
press
release referred to more than 150 - but I haven't yet tripped on them.

Anyway, what prompted the original post was that one of the folks who
has
been fairly active on these fora in past years has a business which
does
this sort of thing; it was his mention of such fabrics, now, very long
ago,
which prompted my search. My failure is what prompted my ping. Are
you
he?

L8R

Skip and Lydia

grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie


grandma Rosalie

Followup to my own post:

Apparently Glenn Raven Mills (Sunbrella) has just come out with a new line
of interior fabrics.

A guy I'm working with in St. Pete loaned me the new book, just received
from his supplier, saying that these were in response to unsatisfactory
results (fraying, durability issues) with the first batch (released a few
years ago).

Unfortunately for our purposes immediately (covering new custom foam
Tempur-Pedic look-alike mattresses), the stuff is way too stiff, and will
have to be reserved for salon and other seating surfaces.

However, that said, there's an extensive line of very attractive fabrics now
available with the purported wear, stain resistance, etc. characteristics of
the exterior stuff but of a more suitable weight and style for interiors or
sunrooms and the like.

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

We just covered a memory foam matress last summer. The customer
requested an upolstery fabric though. I'm curious why you are going after
Sunbrella? In the years we have been in the business I can't recall any
customer wanting Sunbrella for interior cushions. Sometimes for cockpit
cushions for obvious reasons but is standard marine grade Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Followup to my own post:

Apparently Glenn Raven Mills (Sunbrella) has just come out with a new line
of interior fabrics.

A guy I'm working with in St. Pete loaned me the new book, just received
from his supplier, saying that these were in response to unsatisfactory
results (fraying, durability issues) with the first batch (released a few
years ago).

Unfortunately for our purposes immediately (covering new custom foam
Tempur-Pedic look-alike mattresses), the stuff is way too stiff, and will
have to be reserved for salon and other seating surfaces.

However, that said, there's an extensive line of very attractive fabrics
now
available with the purported wear, stain resistance, etc. characteristics
of
the exterior stuff but of a more suitable weight and style for interiors
or
sunrooms and the like.

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Hi, Doug, and List,

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We just covered a memory foam matress last summer. The customer
requested an upolstery fabric though. I'm curious why you are going after
Sunbrella? In the years we have been in the business I can't recall any
customer wanting Sunbrella for interior cushions. Sometimes for cockpit
cushions for obvious reasons but is standard marine grade Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista


We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers, which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin terry.

TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well. We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same challenges.

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed. We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we
almost bought a boat (High Time, the one which failed on survey with no
allowance for the results) from the local rep, who's also a broker, and
developed a nice relationship with him. So, we think breathability will be
well addressed, but without some barrier (like the Gore-Tex, or the
originally planned Sunbrella Interior) fabric, wonder if we'd best do the
belt and suspenders route, particularly since this will be a tropical
application.

Thanks for any acquired wisdom you may share :{))

L8R

Skip and Lydia, inching our way to completion of refit

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Comments below.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher
(net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote in message
...
Hi, Doug, and List,

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We just covered a memory foam matress last summer. The customer
requested an upolstery fabric though. I'm curious why you are going after
Sunbrella? In the years we have been in the business I can't recall any
customer wanting Sunbrella for interior cushions. Sometimes for cockpit
cushions for obvious reasons but is standard marine grade Sunbrella.

Doug
s/v Callista


We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers, which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin terry.

We covered our v-berth cushions with ticking. The same sort of stuff
used on regular matresses and pillows. That has worked for years. We also
have a matress pad for some additional comfort.

TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't
transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB
after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well.
We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same challenges.

Gore-Tex does seem a strange choice for an interior cushion. Not sure
what you mean about challenges with upolstery material. .

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed.

We generally make the bottoms out of Textilene mesh.

We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we

We have something similar under all our cushions in sleeping quarters.
Works very well.

almost bought a boat (High Time, the one which failed on survey with no
allowance for the results) from the local rep, who's also a broker, and
developed a nice relationship with him. So, we think breathability will
be
well addressed, but without some barrier (like the Gore-Tex, or the
originally planned Sunbrella Interior) fabric, wonder if we'd best do the
belt and suspenders route, particularly since this will be a tropical
application.

Gore-Tex does breathe. That is one of its strengths so it wouldn't make a
very
good vapor barrier.

Thanks for any acquired wisdom you may share :{))

L8R

Skip and Lydia, inching our way to completion of refit

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Hi, Doug, and group,
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
...
We thought we wanted something like a Sunbrella interior fabric, for
protective purposes. However, they're too thick, and don't give enough.
We're going with the closest we can find to the Tempur-Pedic covers,
which
are a 75/25 cotton/poly blend (mostly for stretchy purposes) thin terry.

We covered our v-berth cushions with ticking. The same sort of stuff
used on regular matresses and pillows. That has worked for years. We also
have a matress pad for some additional comfort.

Our upholstery guy advocated that, too - but if it's the same stuff, we
think it's beyond ugly (basically miniature awning stripe material). As (at
least from him), it's about as expensive as the Sunbrella interior stuff,
that made it even more unattractive :{))


TP used to use a Gore-Tex cover, but got complaints that it didn't
transmit
heat well enough. That's another reason we're not going to use the SB
after
all - as lovely as it is, we don't think it would serve that foam well.
We
believe the standard upholstery fabrics would present the same
challenges.

Gore-Tex does seem a strange choice for an interior cushion. Not sure
what you mean about challenges with upolstery material. .

Challenges in that it would not adequately pass heat (visco-elastic foam
relies on body heat to deform to suit) and that it would be too stiff (not
adequately deform to allow full depression on pressure points).

As to Gore-Tex, it's not cushions, it's mattresses. What attracted us was
the thought that a splash (sorta inevitable from time to time in a sea
state) would not go through, but that body moisture and other natural
humidity would pass readily, keeping the foam fresh.

For our interior seating, we'd expect to do standard upholstery material,
whether Sunbrella interior or other. The attractiveness to SB is the stain
and water resistance (see above).

However, perhaps you can weigh in on whether there should be some
interior
(on the surface of the foam) scrim - and also whether a mesh bottom is
needed.

We generally make the bottoms out of Textilene mesh.

That's what we're anticipating, as well and ...

We're thinking in terms of having VentAir under the bedding - we

We have something similar under all our cushions in sleeping quarters.
Works very well.

.... Combined with the firm mesh underlayment, we expect the foam to stay
fresh in nearly any conditions other than swamping with sea water.

Gore-Tex does breathe. That is one of its strengths so it wouldn't make a
very
good vapor barrier.

Well, yes - but we're not looking for a vapor barrier, but rather, a
moisture (well, liquid) barrier. In any event, GT sells only to
manufacturers, so we're unlikely to make our covers from that, any way.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain