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Cost of crusing Bahamas for one?
If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal
at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? |
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$150 Bahamas entry fee, good for one return to florida and re-entry. Returning every 3 months, $300 in entry fees. No ice for cold beer? krj Correct, I don't plan on using ice. I'ts a hassle and I'm trying to "get away from it all". I will have to stop in the islands for water and nothing else. Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. Beer, yes, but warm. |
Ahoy The
Used to cruise pretty much as you described it. Try gin-and-tonic instead of warm beer. Lots of rice and bottles of Ragu/etc. Have a GREAT TIME LEnfantduVent |
wrote in message ups.com... If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? American money works well :) If you are not planning on eating at restaurants then food isn't all that expensive. Staples that the locals use on a regular basis are the same or cheaper than in the US. Coconuts are free as are grouper and crawfish. Rum is cheap. We baked bread every other day for next to nothing. Fresh vegies are a bit high, but worth it. assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? Well, Florida and the Bahamas had "quite" a hurricane season this year. |
Nothing else matters. You'll never know you are in the Bahamas if
you eat MREs and warm beer all the time. Might as well stay in FL which is about as dull as MREs and warm beer anyway. Beer is $35/case in Bahamas so bring all you can. In a 26 ft boat that will be about 2 weeks worth so a trip back every 3/4 months might not work Interesting that Kalik is selling for $17.99/case here in Baltimore but still $35.00/case in Bahamas. Doug wrote in message ups.com... $150 Bahamas entry fee, good for one return to florida and re-entry. Returning every 3 months, $300 in entry fees. No ice for cold beer? krj Correct, I don't plan on using ice. I'ts a hassle and I'm trying to "get away from it all". I will have to stop in the islands for water and nothing else. Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. Beer, yes, but warm. |
Why the flame Jax? I didn't see where he said he was going to subsist on
MREs alone. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. yeah, sure. *each* MRE has upwards of 2,200, and *three* are REQUIRED to meet --minimum-- protein RDA for an adult male. dood, MRE's developed for young, physically fit troops humping **heavy** loads out in the field for *maybe* two weeks at a stretch. So, dood, what have *you* done in the last ten days, physically wise? Let us guess. You read two copies of 1930's Mechanix Ilustraded?? good, dood. next week you go to Home Depot. |
JAXAshby wrote:
Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. yeah, sure. *each* MRE has upwards of 2,200, and *three* are REQUIRED to meet --minimum-- protein RDA for an adult male. dood, MRE's developed for young, physically fit troops humping **heavy** loads out in the field for *maybe* two weeks at a stretch. So, dood, what have *you* done in the last ten days, physically wise? Let us guess. You read two copies of 1930's Mechanix Ilustraded?? good, dood. next week you go to Home Depot. Hmmm, I run 4 miles a day, so last ten day, I ran forty miles. Not sure of your point, yes each MRE has about 2K clories, a days worth for non- active adult, so one case supplemented with lobster, knoch, fish, coconuts, will last 12 days. 8 cases fit w/o a problem, could carry more but 8x12=96 days, long enough. Each has a chemical heater and Candy!, toliet paper, condiments, all in a water proof container. The only problem is they leave trash, most of which is burnable in the grill. The beer is to trade with the folks that have refrigeration, I'm bringing 2 Gals of burbon for mixing w/water for me. Home Depot?????? Hmmmmm, they do have some good prices on Blue 10x10 tarps:-) Lee |
John
JAX behaves here like a sociopath who feels it is his duty to infest every reply he is compelled to offer with ignorant insults and rude remarks. He's here because in the "real world" he discovered that every time he opens his foul mouth someone kicks his sorry ass. Coming here gives Jax a (false) sense of control. If it wasn't for Jax polluting this newsgroup, it would actually be a nice place. Don't believe me? Google and take a look at his posts. Take a look at how he has behaved for years. Like a SOCIOPATH. And it's ALL there permanently recorded in usenet. A testimony to Jax's ignorance and sociopathic behavior. Jimmy Johnhh wrote: Why the flame Jax? I didn't see where he said he was going to subsist on MREs alone. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. yeah, sure. *each* MRE has upwards of 2,200, and *three* are REQUIRED to meet --minimum-- protein RDA for an adult male. dood, MRE's developed for young, physically fit troops humping **heavy** loads out in the field for *maybe* two weeks at a stretch. So, dood, what have *you* done in the last ten days, physically wise? Let us guess. You read two copies of 1930's Mechanix Ilustraded?? good, dood. next week you go to Home Depot. |
Lee,
You can either ignore or fight with Jax, there is no in between. wrote in message oups.com... JAXAshby wrote: Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. yeah, sure. *each* MRE has upwards of 2,200, and *three* are REQUIRED to meet --minimum-- protein RDA for an adult male. dood, MRE's developed for young, physically fit troops humping **heavy** loads out in the field for *maybe* two weeks at a stretch. So, dood, what have *you* done in the last ten days, physically wise? Let us guess. You read two copies of 1930's Mechanix Ilustraded?? good, dood. next week you go to Home Depot. Hmmm, I run 4 miles a day, so last ten day, I ran forty miles. Not sure of your point, yes each MRE has about 2K clories, a days worth for non- active adult, so one case supplemented with lobster, knoch, fish, coconuts, will last 12 days. 8 cases fit w/o a problem, could carry more but 8x12=96 days, long enough. Each has a chemical heater and Candy!, toliet paper, condiments, all in a water proof container. The only problem is they leave trash, most of which is burnable in the grill. The beer is to trade with the folks that have refrigeration, I'm bringing 2 Gals of burbon for mixing w/water for me. Home Depot?????? Hmmmmm, they do have some good prices on Blue 10x10 tarps:-) Lee |
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I've chosen to ignore! The only problem is when other respond.
"MMC" wrote in message ... Lee, You can either ignore or fight with Jax, there is no in between. wrote in message oups.com... JAXAshby wrote: Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. yeah, sure. *each* MRE has upwards of 2,200, and *three* are REQUIRED to meet --minimum-- protein RDA for an adult male. dood, MRE's developed for young, physically fit troops humping **heavy** loads out in the field for *maybe* two weeks at a stretch. So, dood, what have *you* done in the last ten days, physically wise? Let us guess. You read two copies of 1930's Mechanix Ilustraded?? good, dood. next week you go to Home Depot. Hmmm, I run 4 miles a day, so last ten day, I ran forty miles. Not sure of your point, yes each MRE has about 2K clories, a days worth for non- active adult, so one case supplemented with lobster, knoch, fish, coconuts, will last 12 days. 8 cases fit w/o a problem, could carry more but 8x12=96 days, long enough. Each has a chemical heater and Candy!, toliet paper, condiments, all in a water proof container. The only problem is they leave trash, most of which is burnable in the grill. The beer is to trade with the folks that have refrigeration, I'm bringing 2 Gals of burbon for mixing w/water for me. Home Depot?????? Hmmmmm, they do have some good prices on Blue 10x10 tarps:-) Lee |
If you plan your trips right....
$150 x 2 for customs. (Plan $60 RT cab ride from the closest anchorage to US Immigration... anchorages in SFL are rare... otherwise plan 50 a night minimum for dockage....Free water at most places in the US.... you better need some real supplies to make it worth the return trip) Water (cheapest on Freeport and Nassau). 20-55 cents/gallon otherwise (2-5gal/day if you can do the sal****er-fresh rinse thing) If you have a LARGE tank.... it may be cheaper to get a slip in GB or NP...many docks have unlimited water for a slip fee on those two islands. In a pinch, most larger boats would give you 10-20 gallons in jerry jugs if asked nicely... (We burn through 40 a day but most large boats have the ability to make much more than they use) Garbage dumping... typically $5/bag. Groceries Similar to US in GB and NP, 1.5 to 2x as you get away from those islands. Stay away from the resort grocery stores...(Sampson, Cat, walkers, etc) They remind me of a cross between 7-11 and Neiman Marcus. Watch the fishing/conching/crawfish laws... they have been enforcing them lately. (FINALLY...) GAS - $3.00 and up /gal (GB and NP again, cheapest-Outer islands $4 ++) Sailboat parts.... $$$$$$$ and scarce outside of NP and GB....bring all the standard parts and tools. As mentioned... Beer is expensive.. Rum is cheap. Coke is expensive... Laundramat machines similar to US. During the Hurricane season, ALWAYS know where you would go once you got the word... Also have a backup plan... Most of the best Hurricane holes get REALLY crowded. Bring LOTS of line and several anchors. Even West Marine in Fort Lauderdale ran out this year... the tiny stores in the Bahamas can't supply a fraction of the demand before a hurricane. Don't forget the Buffett and Marley CDs and the Randy Wayne White Books!!! Have Fun.... Warm Beer and Bread they say can raise the dead but it reminds me of the menu at a Holiday Inn... Ed Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ups.com... If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? American money works well :) If you are not planning on eating at restaurants then food isn't all that expensive. Staples that the locals use on a regular basis are the same or cheaper than in the US. Coconuts are free as are grouper and crawfish. Rum is cheap. We baked bread every other day for next to nothing. Fresh vegies are a bit high, but worth it. assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? Well, Florida and the Bahamas had "quite" a hurricane season this year. |
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Ed wrote:
If you plan your trips right.... $150 x 2 for customs. That's for Bahamas customs. Plan $60 RT cab ride from the closest anchorage to US Immigration... anchorages in SFL are rare... otherwise plan 50 a night minimum for dockage.... That's for coming back to the US which isn't exactly free, although if you come into Ft. Pierce the dockage at Harbortown is about $1/ft. Free water at most places in the US.... you better need some real supplies to make it worth the return trip) Water (cheapest on Freeport and Nassau). 20-55 cents/gallon otherwise (2-5gal/day if you can do the sal****er-fresh rinse thing) If you have a LARGE tank.... it may be cheaper to get a slip in GB or NP...many docks have unlimited water for a slip fee on those two islands. Be CAREFUL when you do this!!! Nassau dock water is trucked in from Andros and tastes TERRIBLE (even to me and I always refuse to buy bottled water on principle). It makes the tea turn green and makes terrible coffee. Tastes like water from a swimming pool-very heavily chlorinated. This water is brackish and only good for washing the boat (if that). I suspect dock water at some places in Bimini is similar. Lucaya isn't so bad - tastes reasonable. Water in Bimini and Highborne is RO water and is charged by the gallon. Highborne was the most expensive I saw and was 50 cents/gal in 2002. In a pinch, most larger boats would give you 10-20 gallons in jerry jugs if asked nicely... (We burn through 40 a day but most large boats have the ability to make much more than they use) Garbage dumping... typically $5/bag. Groceries Similar to US in GB and NP, 1.5 to 2x as you get away from those islands. Stay away from the resort grocery stores...(Sampson, Cat, walkers, etc) They remind me of a cross between 7-11 and Neiman Marcus. There's a good grocery store in Nassau across from the Nassau Harbor Club and Marina in the mall on the east end of Bay Street. It is City Market, PO Box N3738, Nassau 242-393-6060 which is part of the Winn-Dixie chain, but which is called a City Market in Nassau. There is also a Lowes Pharmacy (393-4813), a Bed Bath and Home (393-4440), an internet cafe/bookstore, a Subway and a Dairy Queen. Freeport has Winn-Dixie. The Bahamas Telecommunications Corporation (BaTelCo) has automatic roaming agreements with some cellular carriers in the United States, Canada and Mexico. . Watch the fishing/conching/crawfish laws... they have been enforcing them lately. (FINALLY...) Lobster or Crawfish: Six tails per person, at any time. Annual closed season is April 1 to July 31. Minimum size limits are 3-3/8 inch carapace length or six inches tail length. Egg-bearing female crawfish are protected. Conch: Harvesting and possession of conch without a well formed lip is prohibited. Bag limit at any time is 10 per person. Wahoo/Dolphin/Kingfish: Six fish per person, any combination. Vessel Bag Limit: 20 pounds of scalefish, 10 conch and six crawfish per person may be exported from The Islands Of The Bahamas. Stone Crabs: Closed season is June 1 to October 15. Minimum harvestable claw is four inches. Harvesting of females is prohibited. Turtle: Illegal to import; although legal to eat in The Islands Of The Bahamas. Spearfishing: Hawaiian sling is the only approved spearfishing device. Use of scuba gear or an air compressor to harvest fish, conch, crawfish and other marine animals is prohibited. Spearfishing is not allowed within one mile off the coast of New Providence, within one mile off the south coast of Freeport, Grand Bahama and within 200 yards of the coast of all Out Islands. Spearing or taking marine animals by any means is prohibited within national sea parks. GAS - $3.00 and up /gal (GB and NP again, cheapest-Outer islands $4 ++) Sailboat parts.... $$$$$$$ and scarce outside of NP and GB....bring all the standard parts and tools. As mentioned... Beer is expensive.. Rum is cheap. Coke is expensive... Laundramat machines similar to US. During the Hurricane season, ALWAYS know where you would go once you got the word... Also have a backup plan... Most of the best Hurricane holes get REALLY crowded. Bring LOTS of line and several anchors. Even West Marine in Fort Lauderdale ran out this year... the tiny stores in the Bahamas can't supply a fraction of the demand before a hurricane. Don't forget the Buffett and Marley CDs and the Randy Wayne White Books!!! Have Fun.... Warm Beer and Bread they say can raise the dead but it reminds me of the menu at a Holiday Inn... Ed Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ups.com... If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? American money works well :) If you are not planning on eating at restaurants then food isn't all that expensive. Staples that the locals use on a regular basis are the same or cheaper than in the US. Coconuts are free as are grouper and crawfish. Rum is cheap. We baked bread every other day for next to nothing. Fresh vegies are a bit high, but worth it. assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? Well, Florida and the Bahamas had "quite" a hurricane season this year. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
Thank you Ms. Rosalie, great info. Thats what I was looking for. Water
and fuel will be my big costs. Regards. Lee PS, Sorry if I stired up AJAX whats his name. Rosalie B. wrote: Ed wrote: If you plan your trips right.... $150 x 2 for customs. That's for Bahamas customs. Plan $60 RT cab ride from the closest anchorage to US Immigration... anchorages in SFL are rare... otherwise plan 50 a night minimum for dockage.... That's for coming back to the US which isn't exactly free, although if you come into Ft. Pierce the dockage at Harbortown is about $1/ft. Free water at most places in the US.... you better need some real supplies to make it worth the return trip) Water (cheapest on Freeport and Nassau). 20-55 cents/gallon otherwise (2-5gal/day if you can do the sal****er-fresh rinse thing) If you have a LARGE tank.... it may be cheaper to get a slip in GB or NP...many docks have unlimited water for a slip fee on those two islands. Be CAREFUL when you do this!!! Nassau dock water is trucked in from Andros and tastes TERRIBLE (even to me and I always refuse to buy bottled water on principle). It makes the tea turn green and makes terrible coffee. Tastes like water from a swimming pool-very heavily chlorinated. This water is brackish and only good for washing the boat (if that). I suspect dock water at some places in Bimini is similar. Lucaya isn't so bad - tastes reasonable. Water in Bimini and Highborne is RO water and is charged by the gallon. Highborne was the most expensive I saw and was 50 cents/gal in 2002. In a pinch, most larger boats would give you 10-20 gallons in jerry jugs if asked nicely... (We burn through 40 a day but most large boats have the ability to make much more than they use) Garbage dumping... typically $5/bag. Groceries Similar to US in GB and NP, 1.5 to 2x as you get away from those islands. Stay away from the resort grocery stores...(Sampson, Cat, walkers, etc) They remind me of a cross between 7-11 and Neiman Marcus. There's a good grocery store in Nassau across from the Nassau Harbor Club and Marina in the mall on the east end of Bay Street. It is City Market, PO Box N3738, Nassau 242-393-6060 which is part of the Winn-Dixie chain, but which is called a City Market in Nassau. There is also a Lowes Pharmacy (393-4813), a Bed Bath and Home (393-4440), an internet cafe/bookstore, a Subway and a Dairy Queen. Freeport has Winn-Dixie. The Bahamas Telecommunications Corporation (BaTelCo) has automatic roaming agreements with some cellular carriers in the United States, Canada and Mexico. . Watch the fishing/conching/crawfish laws... they have been enforcing them lately. (FINALLY...) Lobster or Crawfish: Six tails per person, at any time. Annual closed season is April 1 to July 31. Minimum size limits are 3-3/8 inch carapace length or six inches tail length. Egg-bearing female crawfish are protected. Conch: Harvesting and possession of conch without a well formed lip is prohibited. Bag limit at any time is 10 per person. Wahoo/Dolphin/Kingfish: Six fish per person, any combination. Vessel Bag Limit: 20 pounds of scalefish, 10 conch and six crawfish per person may be exported from The Islands Of The Bahamas. Stone Crabs: Closed season is June 1 to October 15. Minimum harvestable claw is four inches. Harvesting of females is prohibited. Turtle: Illegal to import; although legal to eat in The Islands Of The Bahamas. Spearfishing: Hawaiian sling is the only approved spearfishing device. Use of scuba gear or an air compressor to harvest fish, conch, crawfish and other marine animals is prohibited. Spearfishing is not allowed within one mile off the coast of New Providence, within one mile off the south coast of Freeport, Grand Bahama and within 200 yards of the coast of all Out Islands. Spearing or taking marine animals by any means is prohibited within national sea parks. GAS - $3.00 and up /gal (GB and NP again, cheapest-Outer islands $4 ++) Sailboat parts.... $$$$$$$ and scarce outside of NP and GB....bring all the standard parts and tools. As mentioned... Beer is expensive.. Rum is cheap. Coke is expensive... Laundramat machines similar to US. During the Hurricane season, ALWAYS know where you would go once you got the word... Also have a backup plan... Most of the best Hurricane holes get REALLY crowded. Bring LOTS of line and several anchors. Even West Marine in Fort Lauderdale ran out this year... the tiny stores in the Bahamas can't supply a fraction of the demand before a hurricane. Don't forget the Buffett and Marley CDs and the Randy Wayne White Books!!! Have Fun.... Warm Beer and Bread they say can raise the dead but it reminds me of the menu at a Holiday Inn... Ed Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ups.com... If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? American money works well :) If you are not planning on eating at restaurants then food isn't all that expensive. Staples that the locals use on a regular basis are the same or cheaper than in the US. Coconuts are free as are grouper and crawfish. Rum is cheap. We baked bread every other day for next to nothing. Fresh vegies are a bit high, but worth it. assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? Well, Florida and the Bahamas had "quite" a hurricane season this year. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
PS, Sorry if I stired up AJAX whats his name.
lee, you stirred me up because you were lying through your teeth re MRE's. you were claiming expertise when you ----obviously--- didn't have a frickin' clew. |
Jax, here is his original staement. "Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's."
How is that lying through his teeth? "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... PS, Sorry if I stired up AJAX whats his name. lee, you stirred me up because you were lying through your teeth re MRE's. you were claiming expertise when you ----obviously--- didn't have a frickin' clew. |
Jax, here is his original staement. "Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's."
How is that lying through his teeth? How? because his claim is both that he knows (see the use of his claim of expertise in the use of the term "obviously") that MRE's are fine food for use on a sailboat in lieu of other foods, AND that MRE's are nutritious replacements for other foods. Neither statement is true, and yo-yo either know that or he should have known that to make his statement of expertise. That makes him someone lying through his teeth. In addition, when it was noted that MRE's are specifically designed for young warriors humping heavy loads in the field for maybe a couple weeks at a time, yo-yo tells use that *he* is such a person and *he* needs that high calorie (think hydrogenated fat, check the MRE label if you doubt that) because he claims he ran 40 miles in the last ten days (nothing before that 40 miles, and no indication of anything after that, but what the hey). Nevermind, that running a total of 40 miles in ten days uses just 2,000 calories more than breathing, and that 2,000 calories is slightly more than the calories in a cup of frying oil. One hell of a long ways from the frying oil, hydrogenated, in ten days worth of MRE's (30 or more units). Ten days MRE's (three each day needed for received the minimum RDA of various vitamins/minerals and proteing) is over 66,000 calories. Six six zero zero zero zero zero calories. That is more than 38,000 calories MORE THAN NEEDED by an adult male. The frickin' idgit had never in his life eaten 30 MRE's total, let alone in ten days. There are newbe's on this ng. some newbe might be unlucky enough to believe the clown. |
Remarkable! Absolutely remarkable! All that from the loose use of the term
"obviously." Jax, your deductive powers are beyond compare. I am clearly no match for your brilliance so I will attempt to stay out any future debates with you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Jax, here is his original staement. "Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's." How is that lying through his teeth? How? because his claim is both that he knows (see the use of his claim of expertise in the use of the term "obviously") that MRE's are fine food for use on a sailboat in lieu of other foods, AND that MRE's are nutritious replacements for other foods. Neither statement is true, and yo-yo either know that or he should have known that to make his statement of expertise. That makes him someone lying through his teeth. In addition, when it was noted that MRE's are specifically designed for young warriors humping heavy loads in the field for maybe a couple weeks at a time, yo-yo tells use that *he* is such a person and *he* needs that high calorie (think hydrogenated fat, check the MRE label if you doubt that) because he claims he ran 40 miles in the last ten days (nothing before that 40 miles, and no indication of anything after that, but what the hey). Nevermind, that running a total of 40 miles in ten days uses just 2,000 calories more than breathing, and that 2,000 calories is slightly more than the calories in a cup of frying oil. One hell of a long ways from the frying oil, hydrogenated, in ten days worth of MRE's (30 or more units). Ten days MRE's (three each day needed for received the minimum RDA of various vitamins/minerals and proteing) is over 66,000 calories. Six six zero zero zero zero zero calories. That is more than 38,000 calories MORE THAN NEEDED by an adult male. The frickin' idgit had never in his life eaten 30 MRE's total, let alone in ten days. There are newbe's on this ng. some newbe might be unlucky enough to believe the clown. |
if you found that brilliant, you are going to find brilliant nearly everyone
you come in contact with. He used the words and presumably he intended to use the words. His pretentiousness in his claim to expertise was clear. keep up, forrest. From: "Johnhh" Date: 12/19/2004 7:32 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Remarkable! Absolutely remarkable! All that from the loose use of the term "obviously." Jax, your deductive powers are beyond compare. I am clearly no match for your brilliance so I will attempt to stay out any future debates with you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Jax, here is his original staement. "Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's." How is that lying through his teeth? How? because his claim is both that he knows (see the use of his claim of expertise in the use of the term "obviously") that MRE's are fine food for use on a sailboat in lieu of other foods, AND that MRE's are nutritious replacements for other foods. Neither statement is true, and yo-yo either know that or he should have known that to make his statement of expertise. That makes him someone lying through his teeth. In addition, when it was noted that MRE's are specifically designed for young warriors humping heavy loads in the field for maybe a couple weeks at a time, yo-yo tells use that *he* is such a person and *he* needs that high calorie (think hydrogenated fat, check the MRE label if you doubt that) because he claims he ran 40 miles in the last ten days (nothing before that 40 miles, and no indication of anything after that, but what the hey). Nevermind, that running a total of 40 miles in ten days uses just 2,000 calories more than breathing, and that 2,000 calories is slightly more than the calories in a cup of frying oil. One hell of a long ways from the frying oil, hydrogenated, in ten days worth of MRE's (30 or more units). Ten days MRE's (three each day needed for received the minimum RDA of various vitamins/minerals and proteing) is over 66,000 calories. Six six zero zero zero zero zero calories. That is more than 38,000 calories MORE THAN NEEDED by an adult male. The frickin' idgit had never in his life eaten 30 MRE's total, let alone in ten days. There are newbe's on this ng. some newbe might be unlucky enough to believe the clown. |
Speaking of PRETENTIOUS...
JAXAshby wrote: if you found that brilliant, you are going to find brilliant nearly everyone you come in contact with. He used the words and presumably he intended to use the words. His pretentiousness in his claim to expertise was clear. keep up, forrest. From: "Johnhh" Date: 12/19/2004 7:32 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Remarkable! Absolutely remarkable! All that from the loose use of the term "obviously." Jax, your deductive powers are beyond compare. I am clearly no match for your brilliance so I will attempt to stay out any future debates with you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Jax, here is his original staement. "Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's." How is that lying through his teeth? How? because his claim is both that he knows (see the use of his claim of expertise in the use of the term "obviously") that MRE's are fine food for use on a sailboat in lieu of other foods, AND that MRE's are nutritious replacements for other foods. Neither statement is true, and yo-yo either know that or he should have known that to make his statement of expertise. That makes him someone lying through his teeth. In addition, when it was noted that MRE's are specifically designed for young warriors humping heavy loads in the field for maybe a couple weeks at a time, yo-yo tells use that *he* is such a person and *he* needs that high calorie (think hydrogenated fat, check the MRE label if you doubt that) because he claims he ran 40 miles in the last ten days (nothing before that 40 miles, and no indication of anything after that, but what the hey). Nevermind, that running a total of 40 miles in ten days uses just 2,000 calories more than breathing, and that 2,000 calories is slightly more than the calories in a cup of frying oil. One hell of a long ways from the frying oil, hydrogenated, in ten days worth of MRE's (30 or more units). Ten days MRE's (three each day needed for received the minimum RDA of various vitamins/minerals and proteing) is over 66,000 calories. Six six zero zero zero zero zero calories. That is more than 38,000 calories MORE THAN NEEDED by an adult male. The frickin' idgit had never in his life eaten 30 MRE's total, let alone in ten days. There are newbe's on this ng. some newbe might be unlucky enough to believe the clown. |
you are going to find brilliant nearly everyone
you come in contact with. Oh I do. The wisdom and intelligence of my fellow man never ceases to amaze me. Now already I have brooken my promiss to stay out of this. I must be really, really bored. I think it's the lack of sunshile here in the Northwest this time of year. I'll have to call my analyst in the morning and see if I can get my meds changed or the dose increased. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... if you found that brilliant, you are going to find brilliant nearly everyone you come in contact with. He used the words and presumably he intended to use the words. His pretentiousness in his claim to expertise was clear. keep up, forrest. From: "Johnhh" Date: 12/19/2004 7:32 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Remarkable! Absolutely remarkable! All that from the loose use of the term "obviously." Jax, your deductive powers are beyond compare. I am clearly no match for your brilliance so I will attempt to stay out any future debates with you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Jax, here is his original staement. "Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's." How is that lying through his teeth? How? because his claim is both that he knows (see the use of his claim of expertise in the use of the term "obviously") that MRE's are fine food for use on a sailboat in lieu of other foods, AND that MRE's are nutritious replacements for other foods. Neither statement is true, and yo-yo either know that or he should have known that to make his statement of expertise. That makes him someone lying through his teeth. In addition, when it was noted that MRE's are specifically designed for young warriors humping heavy loads in the field for maybe a couple weeks at a time, yo-yo tells use that *he* is such a person and *he* needs that high calorie (think hydrogenated fat, check the MRE label if you doubt that) because he claims he ran 40 miles in the last ten days (nothing before that 40 miles, and no indication of anything after that, but what the hey). Nevermind, that running a total of 40 miles in ten days uses just 2,000 calories more than breathing, and that 2,000 calories is slightly more than the calories in a cup of frying oil. One hell of a long ways from the frying oil, hydrogenated, in ten days worth of MRE's (30 or more units). Ten days MRE's (three each day needed for received the minimum RDA of various vitamins/minerals and proteing) is over 66,000 calories. Six six zero zero zero zero zero calories. That is more than 38,000 calories MORE THAN NEEDED by an adult male. The frickin' idgit had never in his life eaten 30 MRE's total, let alone in ten days. There are newbe's on this ng. some newbe might be unlucky enough to believe the clown. |
you are going to find brilliant nearly everyone
you come in contact with. Oh I do. The wisdom and intelligence of my fellow man never ceases to amaze me. see, johnnyhaha, you really are easily impressed. too bad those fumb ducks dog pile, junnies and the two doogles don't have your nearly three digit intelligence. |
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Thank you Ms. Rosalie, great info. Thats what I was looking for. Water and fuel will be my big costs. You need to give Ed most of the credit. Most of the information was his - I just piggybacked. You will have both Bahamas and US customs costs, but they will be different. Both will require that you come in to a dock - except as I said for Andros. I personally would not want to live like that, and if I did, I'd rather just stay in the US. You can go down on the west side of the Florida Keys and find plenty of nice places to anchor. Regards. Lee PS, Sorry if I stired up AJAX whats his name. I just know not to read any farther in a thread that has more than about 25 responses with most of them between Jax and some other person Rosalie B. wrote: Ed wrote: If you plan your trips right.... $150 x 2 for customs. That's for Bahamas customs. Plan $60 RT cab ride from the closest anchorage to US Immigration... anchorages in SFL are rare... otherwise plan 50 a night minimum for dockage.... That's for coming back to the US which isn't exactly free, although if you come into Ft. Pierce the dockage at Harbortown is about $1/ft. Free water at most places in the US.... you better need some real supplies to make it worth the return trip) Water (cheapest on Freeport and Nassau). 20-55 cents/gallon otherwise (2-5gal/day if you can do the sal****er-fresh rinse thing) If you have a LARGE tank.... it may be cheaper to get a slip in GB or NP...many docks have unlimited water for a slip fee on those two islands. Be CAREFUL when you do this!!! Nassau dock water is trucked in from Andros and tastes TERRIBLE (even to me and I always refuse to buy bottled water on principle). It makes the tea turn green and makes terrible coffee. Tastes like water from a swimming pool-very heavily chlorinated. This water is brackish and only good for washing the boat (if that). I suspect dock water at some places in Bimini is similar. Lucaya isn't so bad - tastes reasonable. Water in Bimini and Highborne is RO water and is charged by the gallon. Highborne was the most expensive I saw and was 50 cents/gal in 2002. In a pinch, most larger boats would give you 10-20 gallons in jerry jugs if asked nicely... (We burn through 40 a day but most large boats have the ability to make much more than they use) Garbage dumping... typically $5/bag. Groceries Similar to US in GB and NP, 1.5 to 2x as you get away from those islands. Stay away from the resort grocery stores...(Sampson, Cat, walkers, etc) They remind me of a cross between 7-11 and Neiman Marcus. There's a good grocery store in Nassau across from the Nassau Harbor Club and Marina in the mall on the east end of Bay Street. It is City Market, PO Box N3738, Nassau 242-393-6060 which is part of the Winn-Dixie chain, but which is called a City Market in Nassau. There is also a Lowes Pharmacy (393-4813), a Bed Bath and Home (393-4440), an internet cafe/bookstore, a Subway and a Dairy Queen. Freeport has Winn-Dixie. The Bahamas Telecommunications Corporation (BaTelCo) has automatic roaming agreements with some cellular carriers in the United States, Canada and Mexico. . Watch the fishing/conching/crawfish laws... they have been enforcing them lately. (FINALLY...) Lobster or Crawfish: Six tails per person, at any time. Annual closed season is April 1 to July 31. Minimum size limits are 3-3/8 inch carapace length or six inches tail length. Egg-bearing female crawfish are protected. Conch: Harvesting and possession of conch without a well formed lip is prohibited. Bag limit at any time is 10 per person. Wahoo/Dolphin/Kingfish: Six fish per person, any combination. Vessel Bag Limit: 20 pounds of scalefish, 10 conch and six crawfish per person may be exported from The Islands Of The Bahamas. Stone Crabs: Closed season is June 1 to October 15. Minimum harvestable claw is four inches. Harvesting of females is prohibited. Turtle: Illegal to import; although legal to eat in The Islands Of The Bahamas. Spearfishing: Hawaiian sling is the only approved spearfishing device. Use of scuba gear or an air compressor to harvest fish, conch, crawfish and other marine animals is prohibited. Spearfishing is not allowed within one mile off the coast of New Providence, within one mile off the south coast of Freeport, Grand Bahama and within 200 yards of the coast of all Out Islands. Spearing or taking marine animals by any means is prohibited within national sea parks. GAS - $3.00 and up /gal (GB and NP again, cheapest-Outer islands $4 ++) Sailboat parts.... $$$$$$$ and scarce outside of NP and GB....bring all the standard parts and tools. As mentioned... Beer is expensive.. Rum is cheap. Coke is expensive... Laundramat machines similar to US. During the Hurricane season, ALWAYS know where you would go once you got the word... Also have a backup plan... Most of the best Hurricane holes get REALLY crowded. Bring LOTS of line and several anchors. Even West Marine in Fort Lauderdale ran out this year... the tiny stores in the Bahamas can't supply a fraction of the demand before a hurricane. Don't forget the Buffett and Marley CDs and the Randy Wayne White Books!!! Have Fun.... Warm Beer and Bread they say can raise the dead but it reminds me of the menu at a Holiday Inn... Ed Doug Dotson wrote: wrote in message ups.com... If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? American money works well :) If you are not planning on eating at restaurants then food isn't all that expensive. Staples that the locals use on a regular basis are the same or cheaper than in the US. Coconuts are free as are grouper and crawfish. Rum is cheap. We baked bread every other day for next to nothing. Fresh vegies are a bit high, but worth it. assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? Well, Florida and the Bahamas had "quite" a hurricane season this year. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ grandma Rosalie |
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:32:55 -0800, "Johnhh"
wrote: Remarkable! Absolutely remarkable! All that from the loose use of the term "obviously." Jax, your deductive powers are beyond compare. I am clearly no match for your brilliance so I will attempt to stay out any future debates with you. I have no problem filtering out a person whose posts don't interest me. The difficulty with JAX is thus not JAX, but those who answer him off-topic without warning in the subject. I can't filter those without filtering everyone who ever answers him. I am getting deparate enough that I may do that. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC Let's Put the XXX back in Xmas |
I did not need to pay at Lucaya/Freeport this year, and on return last
spring anchored at Lake Worth. They seem happy with that now that a personal visit to Immigration is req'd. Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Alesto "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... wrote: If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? I think most places except Morgan's Bluff you have to come in to a dock (and pay to do so) in order to check in. You also have to pay for water, even if you do not need to pay for fuel. Part of the entry fee includes a fishing license, but there are limitations on what you can catch and the methods you can use. grandma Rosalie |
If you look and ask around, MOST wash water can be found for free. I
require low salt, and buy gallons of water for drinking. Budget for water on recent trip: $2, I did Jerry Jug 25 gallons, so take some containers along. Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Alesto "krj" wrote in message ... wrote: $150 Bahamas entry fee, good for one return to florida and re-entry. Returning every 3 months, $300 in entry fees. No ice for cold beer? krj Correct, I don't plan on using ice. I'ts a hassle and I'm trying to "get away from it all". I will have to stop in the islands for water and nothing else. Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. Beer, yes, but warm. Water will cost from $0.25 to $0.50 per gallon most places in the Bahamas, and if you anchor out you will have to jerry can it. Do you have a row dinghy or will you use an outboard. Gas is alittle more expensive also. krj |
"Lee Haefele" wrote:
I did not need to pay at Lucaya/Freeport this year, and on return last spring anchored at Lake Worth. They seem happy with that now that a personal visit to Immigration is req'd. Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Alesto Well I hate the idea of anchoring at Lake Worth. Lucaya has 24 hour onsite customs officials, but I think you have to pay at Old Bahama Bay, and since the hurricane they are allowing only limited overnight docking. I know they require money for being at the dock at Chub and at Cat Cay. I'm not sure about Nassau, but I think a dock might be required there. "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . wrote: If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? I think most places except Morgan's Bluff you have to come in to a dock (and pay to do so) in order to check in. You also have to pay for water, even if you do not need to pay for fuel. Part of the entry fee includes a fishing license, but there are limitations on what you can catch and the methods you can use. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
In Freeport/Lucaya, Just tie up at the fuel dock or next, it is free for
customs, I was there Dec 1,2004. They were just finishing hurricane repairs. Old Bahama Bay has reduced rate if you do not stay night, something like $15. Most will forgive fee if you buy fuel and are there only the 1 hour needed to visit customs. Lee Haefele "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... "Lee Haefele" wrote: I did not need to pay at Lucaya/Freeport this year, and on return last spring anchored at Lake Worth. They seem happy with that now that a personal visit to Immigration is req'd. Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Alesto Well I hate the idea of anchoring at Lake Worth. Lucaya has 24 hour onsite customs officials, but I think you have to pay at Old Bahama Bay, and since the hurricane they are allowing only limited overnight docking. I know they require money for being at the dock at Chub and at Cat Cay. I'm not sure about Nassau, but I think a dock might be required there. "Rosalie B." wrote in message . .. wrote: If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? I think most places except Morgan's Bluff you have to come in to a dock (and pay to do so) in order to check in. You also have to pay for water, even if you do not need to pay for fuel. Part of the entry fee includes a fishing license, but there are limitations on what you can catch and the methods you can use. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
"Lee Haefele" wrote:
In Freeport/Lucaya, Just tie up at the fuel dock or next, it is free for customs, I was there Dec 1,2004. Yes that is what I meant when I said they had 24 hour customs - that you could tie up at the fuel dock and do customs without charge. Sorry I wasn't clear. I do want to say that I do NOT think you should be referring to Freeport/Lucaya. It's Lucaya. Freeport is a different harbour altogether, and is NOT a place for little boats to be. They were just finishing hurricane repairs. Old Bahama Bay has reduced rate if you do not stay night, something like $15. Most will forgive fee if you buy fuel and are there only the 1 hour needed to visit customs. Lee Haefele Glad to hear that they are doing OK with the repairs. "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . "Lee Haefele" wrote: I did not need to pay at Lucaya/Freeport this year, and on return last spring anchored at Lake Worth. They seem happy with that now that a personal visit to Immigration is req'd. Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Alesto Well I hate the idea of anchoring at Lake Worth. Lucaya has 24 hour onsite customs officials, but I think you have to pay at Old Bahama Bay, and since the hurricane they are allowing only limited overnight docking. I know they require money for being at the dock at Chub and at Cat Cay. I'm not sure about Nassau, but I think a dock might be required there. "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... wrote: If you where headed there for a year and did not plan to buy one meal at a resturant or bar, 26ft sailboat, shallow draft, what kind of money would you need? assuming you anchored out, never at a marina, returned to Florida once every 3/4 months for supplies and had a quite hurricane season? I think most places except Morgan's Bluff you have to come in to a dock (and pay to do so) in order to check in. You also have to pay for water, even if you do not need to pay for fuel. Part of the entry fee includes a fishing license, but there are limitations on what you can catch and the methods you can use. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
"Lee Haefele" :
If you look and ask around, MOST wash water can be found for free. I require low salt, and buy gallons of water for drinking. Budget for water on recent trip: $2, I did Jerry Jug 25 gallons, so take some containers along. Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Alesto "krj" wrote in message ... wrote: $150 Bahamas entry fee, good for one return to florida and re-entry. Returning every 3 months, $300 in entry fees. No ice for cold beer? krj Correct, I don't plan on using ice. I'ts a hassle and I'm trying to "get away from it all". I will have to stop in the islands for water and nothing else. Obviously I'll have alot of MRE's. Beer, yes, but warm. Water will cost from $0.25 to $0.50 per gallon most places in the Bahamas, and if you anchor out you will have to jerry can it. Do you have a row dinghy or will you use an outboard. Gas is alittle more expensive also. krj Since we are talking about on person and one person only, is a solar still a possible good source of water him? Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp |
THERE IS NO NEED FOR WATERMAKING GEAR IN THE BAHAMAS. On my recent trip FL-PR, I topped off the water at Nassau and they charged me $.10/gal= $2. I could have carried free water from the streetside faucett, most rural islands have streetside faucets, if not, there are friendly local sources: Shopkeepers, hotels, restaurants that have plenty of well water. Other than that, I took on free water at Crooked Island. Free or very cheap water is easily avail, plus, I would expect a sailboat to have 30-60 gal onboard, 2-8 weeks supply for a single hander. So, unless you choose to stay a long time at an island that must make water, due to no local sources, water is not an issue cost wise. If you come up short, wash dishes & body in salt water. I buy my drinking water at approx $1.70/gal, 1-2 qts per person/day, after my first stock of Wal-Mart water runs out. Sometimes I find excellent local water and refill all my drinking jugs for free. I have salt sensitive high blood pressure, so I reject a lot of local water that others do not object to, that may have a small salt content, such as the Crooked Island water that the locals drink. There really are no places in the Bahamas further than 30 miles from free water. Before taking on fuel, bargain for water first. Small sailboats don't have much tankage, so they stop often for fuel. ALWAYS: Dump garbage, get fuel & water, ask if you can keep boat at fuel dock a few hours to tourist or buy groceries. Usually this all works. Take a folding bike, there is a lot to see 2-10 miles from anchorages. Lee Haefele, Nauticat 33 "Alesto", anchored at Salinas, PR. Prev: Bristol 32 "Niche" with small tanks. Since we are talking about on person and one person only, is a solar still a possible good source of water him? Earl Colby Pottinger |
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