Annoying problem -fixing cockpit flooring
 

My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking noise when
I walk on it.
There is small crack also.I patched the crack with fiberglass cloth.
Now I have to solve the problem to prevent farther cracks.
I 'm considering 2 options:
Cover the floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non
skid and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers , and fill
the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to support the weight
of the crew.
I lean toward 2 option.
please share your suggestions

Thank you.
Jari

Is the floor suported by stringers/beams or is it floating.
Shaun

Jari wrote:
My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking noise when
I walk on it.
There is small crack also.I patched the crack with fiberglass cloth.
Now I have to solve the problem to prevent farther cracks.
I 'm considering 2 options:
Cover the floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non
skid and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers , and fill
the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to support the weight
of the crew.
I lean toward 2 option.
please share your suggestions

Thank you.
Jari

Floating I guess .
Yes , there is no additional support
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Is the floor suported by stringers/beams or is it floating.
Shaun

Jari wrote:
My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking noise
when I walk on it.
There is small crack also.I patched the crack with fiberglass cloth.
Now I have to solve the problem to prevent farther cracks.
I 'm considering 2 options:
Cover the floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non
skid and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers , and
fill the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to support the
weight of the crew.
I lean toward 2 option.
please share your suggestions

Thank you.
Jari

The problem with floating floors is the ability the flex excessively
whichleads to your cracking.
Adding mass to the floor to prevent this will
increase the weight quite substantially most solutions is to
place/replace the stringers/beams if you have access to the underside of
the floor, if not then my way would be to cut the floor out on the outer
edges, glass in a new lip for the floor to rest on around the edges.

While you have the floor out turn it upside down glass in some stringers
useing some cardboard tube cut in half layed on the underside(now the
top) once you have done that you can test it for strength while its out
of the boat if your happy with it add glass mat and resin to the lip
that you made in the cockpit and lower it back in pushing it firmly all
around the edges add some weight and bingo floors done.

The card board tube is for form not strenght so it can be as light as
you can find. Place it roughly every eighteen inches in a box pattern
across the underside of the floor with about 1/8 inch thick glassmat and
resin. don't forget to leave a little space around the edges for your
lip.The beuty of doing it this way is the floor looks original and with
a bit of care the seam/join around the edge can be faired in and painted
to hide any marks.
Shaun
Jari wrote:
Floating I guess . Yes , there is no additional support
wrote in message
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Is the floor suported by stringers/beams or is it floating. Shaun

Jari wrote:

My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking
noise when I walk on it. There is small crack also.I patched the
crack with fiberglass cloth. Now I have to solve the problem to
prevent farther cracks. I 'm considering 2 options: Cover the
floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non skid
and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to
floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers ,
and fill the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to
support the weight of the crew. I lean toward 2 option. please
share your suggestions

Thank you. Jari

Awsome. Australian solution beats all my stupid ideas.
Simple and permanent.
Follow -up question is how do I create this lip -Just mat and fiberglass
using the same mat as for the stringers ?
Also do I need to reinforce the edge on cut away floor before placing it
back
on new lip ?
Thank you.
Jari

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The problem with floating floors is the ability the flex excessively
whichleads to your cracking.
Adding mass to the floor to prevent this will
increase the weight quite substantially most solutions is to place/replace
the stringers/beams if you have access to the underside of the floor, if
not then my way would be to cut the floor out on the outer edges, glass in
a new lip for the floor to rest on around the edges.

While you have the floor out turn it upside down glass in some stringers
useing some cardboard tube cut in half layed on the underside(now the top)
once you have done that you can test it for strength while its out of the
boat if your happy with it add glass mat and resin to the lip that you
made in the cockpit and lower it back in pushing it firmly all around the
edges add some weight and bingo floors done.

The card board tube is for form not strenght so it can be as light as you
can find. Place it roughly every eighteen inches in a box pattern across
the underside of the floor with about 1/8 inch thick glassmat and resin.
don't forget to leave a little space around the edges for your lip.The
beuty of doing it this way is the floor looks original and with a bit of
care the seam/join around the edge can be faired in and painted to hide
any marks.
Shaun
Jari wrote:
Floating I guess . Yes , there is no additional support
wrote in message
...

Is the floor suported by stringers/beams or is it floating. Shaun

Jari wrote:

My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking
noise when I walk on it. There is small crack also.I patched the
crack with fiberglass cloth. Now I have to solve the problem to
prevent farther cracks. I 'm considering 2 options: Cover the
floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non skid
and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to
floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers ,
and fill the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to
support the weight of the crew. I lean toward 2 option. please
share your suggestions

Thank you. Jari

If you cut about 50mm/2 inches in from the edge, the edge only needs to
be flat glass/resin strips glassed onto the edge left behind,(glassed on
the underside that you can now get too)
The way to make FLAT glass strips is to get a sheet of window glass (the
longer the glass the longer your strips)polish it and lay strips of
glassmat/resin to about 1/16 inch thick,
peel these off and cut to about 4"/100mm wide X long then glass in
reinforcing the underside lip with more glass/mat.
Now before you put the floor back in rough that shiny side up so it will
bond.
PRESTO
shaun

Jari wrote:
Awsome. Australian solution beats all my stupid ideas.
Simple and permanent.
Follow -up question is how do I create this lip -Just mat and fiberglass
using the same mat as for the stringers ?
Also do I need to reinforce the edge on cut away floor before placing it
back
on new lip ?
Thank you.
Jari

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The problem with floating floors is the ability the flex excessively
whichleads to your cracking.
Adding mass to the floor to prevent this will
increase the weight quite substantially most solutions is to place/replace
the stringers/beams if you have access to the underside of the floor, if
not then my way would be to cut the floor out on the outer edges, glass in
a new lip for the floor to rest on around the edges.

While you have the floor out turn it upside down glass in some stringers
useing some cardboard tube cut in half layed on the underside(now the top)
once you have done that you can test it for strength while its out of the
boat if your happy with it add glass mat and resin to the lip that you
made in the cockpit and lower it back in pushing it firmly all around the
edges add some weight and bingo floors done.

The card board tube is for form not strenght so it can be as light as you
can find. Place it roughly every eighteen inches in a box pattern across
the underside of the floor with about 1/8 inch thick glassmat and resin.
don't forget to leave a little space around the edges for your lip.The
beuty of doing it this way is the floor looks original and with a bit of
care the seam/join around the edge can be faired in and painted to hide
any marks.
Shaun
Jari wrote:

Floating I guess . Yes , there is no additional support
wrote in message
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Is the floor suported by stringers/beams or is it floating. Shaun

Jari wrote:


My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking
noise when I walk on it. There is small crack also.I patched the
crack with fiberglass cloth. Now I have to solve the problem to
prevent farther cracks. I 'm considering 2 options: Cover the
floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non skid
and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to
floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers ,
and fill the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to
support the weight of the crew. I lean toward 2 option. please
share your suggestions

Thank you. Jari

Can you get to the underside? Had a problem like that with a Catalina 22 and
was able to access thru a cockpit locker.
The foam "core" had rotted in the center because of a leak (crack in sole).
I ripped the foam out and fit a couple pieces (to ease installation) of 3/4
marine ply, slathered well with thickened epoxy and screwed in place from
above. After the epoxy kicked, I fixed and dressed up the crack in the
cockpit sole. Solid as a rock.
MMC
"Jari" wrote in message
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My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking noise
when I walk on it.
There is small crack also.I patched the crack with fiberglass cloth.
Now I have to solve the problem to prevent farther cracks.
I 'm considering 2 options:
Cover the floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non
skid and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers , and fill
the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to support the
weight of the crew.
I lean toward 2 option.
please share your suggestions

Thank you.
Jari

No that is a problem. Shaun's solutions sounds great.
I just came after inspecting the boat once more.It seems to me that it will
be ok to follow his instructions.
Thankl you for the input.
"MMC" wrote in message
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Can you get to the underside? Had a problem like that with a Catalina 22
and was able to access thru a cockpit locker.
The foam "core" had rotted in the center because of a leak (crack in
sole).
I ripped the foam out and fit a couple pieces (to ease installation) of
3/4 marine ply, slathered well with thickened epoxy and screwed in place
from above. After the epoxy kicked, I fixed and dressed up the crack in
the cockpit sole. Solid as a rock.
MMC
"Jari" wrote in message
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My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking noise
when I walk on it.
There is small crack also.I patched the crack with fiberglass cloth.
Now I have to solve the problem to prevent farther cracks.
I 'm considering 2 options:
Cover the floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non
skid and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers , and
fill the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to support the
weight of the crew.
I lean toward 2 option.
please share your suggestions

Thank you.
Jari

Yeah, if you can't get to it from below, his is the plan!
"Jari" wrote in message
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No that is a problem. Shaun's solutions sounds great.
I just came after inspecting the boat once more.It seems to me that it
will be ok to follow his instructions.
Thankl you for the input.
"MMC" wrote in message
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Can you get to the underside? Had a problem like that with a Catalina 22
and was able to access thru a cockpit locker.
The foam "core" had rotted in the center because of a leak (crack in
sole).
I ripped the foam out and fit a couple pieces (to ease installation) of
3/4 marine ply, slathered well with thickened epoxy and screwed in place
from above. After the epoxy kicked, I fixed and dressed up the crack in
the cockpit sole. Solid as a rock.
MMC
"Jari" wrote in message
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My daysail boat open cockpit (Tempest22) floor is making cracking noise
when I walk on it.
There is small crack also.I patched the crack with fiberglass cloth.
Now I have to solve the problem to prevent farther cracks.
I 'm considering 2 options:
Cover the floor with playwood and fiberglass over- details like non
skid and glue between playwood and current flooring arise . Someone
recommended applying expendable foam to seal the playwood to floor

Second option is to re fiberglass with cloth and several layers , and
fill the space between hull and floor with expendable foam to support
the weight of the crew.
I lean toward 2 option.
please share your suggestions

Thank you.
Jari