Considering my current problems with pilings that are too short with
the approach of TS Bonnie, I am re-considering an old idea of mine, a
way to allow a boat to rise and fall with the tide in a slip with
fixed pilings. Of course, I want to also be able to extend the
effective height of the pilings.

First, I have seen where people use pulleys affixed to the pilings
with weights on one end of a rope going thru the pulley and the other
end attached to the boat to keep a boat centered in a slip but this
really doesnt work with a heavy boat with swells or wakes from passing
boats. This seems mostly useful in calm water.

So, I am thinking of a robust piece of C channel running up the piling
through bolted to the piling every 6". A piece of metal is free to
run up and down in the channel and it has a threaded hole into which
the thread of an eye bolt screws. You tie your dock lines to the eye
so the boat then rises and falls with the tide as the metal T in the
channel rises up and down pulled by your boat. Of course, fouling and
corrosion might be a problem so it might be desireable to spray
galvanize it every yr but I assume that fouling would be scraped off
simply by the weight of the boat pulling on the T. I considered
having the metal T in the channel having wheels to make the motion
smooth but this is a nasty environment so simplicity is better. I can
imagine the channel running higher than the piling, perhaps up to 3'
higher thus providing some storm swell protection if the channel is
properly braced.
Any thoughts on this? Would it sell as a product? What would you pay
for such a thing?

I saw a system around here that consisted of a loop aroung the piling.
The loop had some rollers that allowed the loop to rise and fall with the
boat.
It was a commercially made system but I can't remember the name.
Someone on this forum is probably familiar with it. After going
through Isabel last fall, I can appreciate your efforts. In our case
the slip we were in was wide enough for us to rig lines with sufficient
slack
to handle the surge (7.5').

Doug
s/v Callista

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Considering my current problems with pilings that are too short with
the approach of TS Bonnie, I am re-considering an old idea of mine, a
way to allow a boat to rise and fall with the tide in a slip with
fixed pilings. Of course, I want to also be able to extend the
effective height of the pilings.

First, I have seen where people use pulleys affixed to the pilings
with weights on one end of a rope going thru the pulley and the other
end attached to the boat to keep a boat centered in a slip but this
really doesnt work with a heavy boat with swells or wakes from passing
boats. This seems mostly useful in calm water.

So, I am thinking of a robust piece of C channel running up the piling
through bolted to the piling every 6". A piece of metal is free to
run up and down in the channel and it has a threaded hole into which
the thread of an eye bolt screws. You tie your dock lines to the eye
so the boat then rises and falls with the tide as the metal T in the
channel rises up and down pulled by your boat. Of course, fouling and
corrosion might be a problem so it might be desireable to spray
galvanize it every yr but I assume that fouling would be scraped off
simply by the weight of the boat pulling on the T. I considered
having the metal T in the channel having wheels to make the motion
smooth but this is a nasty environment so simplicity is better. I can
imagine the channel running higher than the piling, perhaps up to 3'
higher thus providing some storm swell protection if the channel is
properly braced.
Any thoughts on this? Would it sell as a product? What would you pay
for such a thing?

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message ...
I saw a system around here that consisted of a loop aroung the piling.
The loop had some rollers that allowed the loop to rise and fall with the
boat.
It was a commercially made system but I can't remember the name.
Someone on this forum is probably familiar with it. After going
through Isabel last fall, I can appreciate your efforts. In our case
the slip we were in was wide enough for us to rig lines with sufficient
slack
to handle the surge (7.5').

Doug
s/v Callista

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Considering my current problems with pilings that are too short with
the approach of TS Bonnie, I am re-considering an old idea of mine, a
way to allow a boat to rise and fall with the tide in a slip with
fixed pilings. Of course, I want to also be able to extend the
effective height of the pilings.

First, I have seen where people use pulleys affixed to the pilings
with weights on one end of a rope going thru the pulley and the other
end attached to the boat to keep a boat centered in a slip but this
really doesnt work with a heavy boat with swells or wakes from passing
boats. This seems mostly useful in calm water.

So, I am thinking of a robust piece of C channel running up the piling
through bolted to the piling every 6". A piece of metal is free to
run up and down in the channel and it has a threaded hole into which
the thread of an eye bolt screws. You tie your dock lines to the eye
so the boat then rises and falls with the tide as the metal T in the
channel rises up and down pulled by your boat. Of course, fouling and
corrosion might be a problem so it might be desireable to spray
galvanize it every yr but I assume that fouling would be scraped off
simply by the weight of the boat pulling on the T. I considered
having the metal T in the channel having wheels to make the motion
smooth but this is a nasty environment so simplicity is better. I can
imagine the channel running higher than the piling, perhaps up to 3'
higher thus providing some storm swell protection if the channel is
properly braced.
Any thoughts on this? Would it sell as a product? What would you pay
for such a thing?


The ring idea sounds good but I'd worry it would catch on "things" on
the piling and then not rise or falll.

I am sure that the greaqtest cost of this would not be materials but
insurance in case of failures. Due to the shock loading. it would be
a good idea to replace the T shaped part every couple years. Maybe
even be a good idea to have a person from the manufacturer inspect
them every now and then. So....., the ideal job, cruise from one port
to another installing and inspecting these things. When one is
ordered, send em by express mail or UPS to teh nearest location, sail
there install and inspect nearby ones, a great fantasy.

Comments below.

Doug

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
I saw a system around here that consisted of a loop aroung the piling.
The loop had some rollers that allowed the loop to rise and fall with
the
boat.
It was a commercially made system but I can't remember the name.
Someone on this forum is probably familiar with it. After going
through Isabel last fall, I can appreciate your efforts. In our case
the slip we were in was wide enough for us to rig lines with sufficient
slack
to handle the surge (7.5').

Doug
s/v Callista

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Considering my current problems with pilings that are too short with
the approach of TS Bonnie, I am re-considering an old idea of mine, a
way to allow a boat to rise and fall with the tide in a slip with
fixed pilings. Of course, I want to also be able to extend the
effective height of the pilings.

First, I have seen where people use pulleys affixed to the pilings
with weights on one end of a rope going thru the pulley and the other
end attached to the boat to keep a boat centered in a slip but this
really doesnt work with a heavy boat with swells or wakes from passing
boats. This seems mostly useful in calm water.

So, I am thinking of a robust piece of C channel running up the piling
through bolted to the piling every 6". A piece of metal is free to
run up and down in the channel and it has a threaded hole into which
the thread of an eye bolt screws. You tie your dock lines to the eye
so the boat then rises and falls with the tide as the metal T in the
channel rises up and down pulled by your boat. Of course, fouling and
corrosion might be a problem so it might be desireable to spray
galvanize it every yr but I assume that fouling would be scraped off
simply by the weight of the boat pulling on the T. I considered
having the metal T in the channel having wheels to make the motion
smooth but this is a nasty environment so simplicity is better. I can
imagine the channel running higher than the piling, perhaps up to 3'
higher thus providing some storm swell protection if the channel is
properly braced.
Any thoughts on this? Would it sell as a product? What would you pay
for such a thing?


The ring idea sounds good but I'd worry it would catch on "things" on
the piling and then not rise or falll.

I don't recall the pilings involved having "things" on it
Pretty smooth pressure treated pilings.

I am sure that the greaqtest cost of this would not be materials but
insurance in case of failures.

I doubt it. No more than failing of any other gear.

Due to the shock loading. it would be
a good idea to replace the T shaped part every couple years.

I don;t recall any T shapped part on the one I saw. I'll try and pop
over to Maryland Yach Club and take a digipic of it.

Maybe
even be a good idea to have a person from the manufacturer inspect
them every now and then.

You lost me. I've never seen a rep from New England Ropes inspecting
my docklines.

So....., the ideal job, cruise from one port
to another installing and inspecting these things.

Sound like a crap job to me.

When one is
ordered, send em by express mail or UPS to teh nearest location, sail
there install and inspect nearby ones, a great fantasy.

Yea, a fantasy.

On 10 Aug 2004 07:07:06 -0700, (Parallax)
wrote:

So, I am thinking of a robust piece of C channel running up the piling
through bolted to the piling every 6". A piece of metal is free to
run up and down in the channel and it has a threaded hole into which
the thread of an eye bolt screws. You tie your dock lines to the eye
so the boat then rises and falls with the tide as the metal T in the
channel rises up and down pulled by your boat.

I'd bet good money that your arrangement would bind under load.
Instead, take a length of steel bar (square or round). Put a 90
degree bend in each end to serve as a standoff. Place a plain old
ring on the bar. Weld a base plate on each end of the bar. Bolt the
bar to the piling. Tie your line to the ring. No problems with
binding, zero maintenance. Good luck with the storm.

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