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My sailboat (28' S2, 7800 lbs) is at a dock at Carabelle, FL with
fixed finger piers. The piling topss are no more than 7' above high water. TS Bonnie is approaching. Options a 1. Find a better place to ride it out. 2. haul the boat 3. Tie her as best I can and check my insurance. Until the past couple years, this was not a problem as I kept Ragtime in a well protected canal 30 miles to the east. Until recently, Ragtime's value was probably about her insured value but in the past year I have seriously upgraded her she is worth a lot more than insurance would pay. Furthermore, I expect to go on a long Bahamas cruise in November so I have real incentive to protect her this year. Option 1 is not really practical as the only close place that is well protected is the harbor at Dog Island but I have no way to get back once I have her there. I cannot get her under the bridge to go up river. The wide part of the river will probably be crowded with boats in the next couple days riding it out. Option 2, hauling is not an option even without a storm as the only local lift seems to operate only 10% of the time. Option 3 may work but I might expect 10-12' storm surge and 120 mph winds from the south as the storm goes ashore to the west. From my dock, I can look due south along the shore to Dog Island Sound about 1/2 mile away, not exactly well protected from the south where the wind will be blowing from. In normal conditions with only a 3.5' tidal range, it is difficult to arrange my dock/spring lines so she can rise and fall with the tide without being able to hit the pilings but in a 12' surge............I'll be on top of the pilings. Even with just spring lines from stern pilings to bow and bow pilings to stern cleat I will not have enough line stretch to allow for a 12' surge and stay off the pilings. Any ideas here? I probably will not even be able to run a stern anchor out (to the west into the river channel) as it would impede navigation of the channel. I can run a rope to shore to teh east. If I hadnt done all this work on her this past year, I'd just double the lines, allow her to beat herself to pieces and collect insurance but now I really want to protect her. Any ideas? Taking her to sea in the storm is idiocy so dont bother suggesting it. |
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pray, dude, and take EVERYthing off the boat you can (obviously ALL windage
items first, followed by everything you can scoop up in your arms and pile in your car). if your boat survives, consider watching next time. Any yard capable of hauling has probably been busy as hell since Saturday. I have helped clear boats as a hurricane approached and pretty soon the boatyards are just flat over-whelmed. Even though the hurricane twisted off 250 miles south there was still plenty of damage. By no means, though, what would have happened had the storm turned just a mite east, rather than way west. My sailboat (28' S2, 7800 lbs) is at a dock at Carabelle, FL with fixed finger piers. The piling topss are no more than 7' above high water. TS Bonnie is approaching. Options a 1. Find a better place to ride it out. 2. haul the boat 3. Tie her as best I can and check my insurance. Until the past couple years, this was not a problem as I kept Ragtime in a well protected canal 30 miles to the east. Until recently, Ragtime's value was probably about her insured value but in the past year I have seriously upgraded her she is worth a lot more than insurance would pay. Furthermore, I expect to go on a long Bahamas cruise in November so I have real incentive to protect her this year. Option 1 is not really practical as the only close place that is well protected is the harbor at Dog Island but I have no way to get back once I have her there. I cannot get her under the bridge to go up river. The wide part of the river will probably be crowded with boats in the next couple days riding it out. Option 2, hauling is not an option even without a storm as the only local lift seems to operate only 10% of the time. Option 3 may work but I might expect 10-12' storm surge and 120 mph winds from the south as the storm goes ashore to the west. From my dock, I can look due south along the shore to Dog Island Sound about 1/2 mile away, not exactly well protected from the south where the wind will be blowing from. In normal conditions with only a 3.5' tidal range, it is difficult to arrange my dock/spring lines so she can rise and fall with the tide without being able to hit the pilings but in a 12' surge............I'll be on top of the pilings. Even with just spring lines from stern pilings to bow and bow pilings to stern cleat I will not have enough line stretch to allow for a 12' surge and stay off the pilings. Any ideas here? I probably will not even be able to run a stern anchor out (to the west into the river channel) as it would impede navigation of the channel. I can run a rope to shore to teh east. If I hadnt done all this work on her this past year, I'd just double the lines, allow her to beat herself to pieces and collect insurance but now I really want to protect her. Any ideas? Taking her to sea in the storm is idiocy so dont bother suggesting it. |
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Last September, when Hurricane Juan blasted through here, we were a bit lax
with the genoa on the Mirage 33 I crewed on. We should have taken it down or at least wrap it better. Completely destroyed a one year old $ 2.5K sail. |
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My family had a cottage on Alligator Point for the last 50 yrs. and we
had many hurricanes to come right through that caused no boat problems even though we had several different boats that were secured by a single anchor in the bay during those years. HTH Parallax wrote: My sailboat (28' S2, 7800 lbs) is at a dock at Carabelle, FL with fixed finger piers. The piling topss are no more than 7' above high water. TS Bonnie is approaching. Options a 1. Find a better place to ride it out. 2. haul the boat 3. Tie her as best I can and check my insurance. Until the past couple years, this was not a problem as I kept Ragtime in a well protected canal 30 miles to the east. Until recently, Ragtime's value was probably about her insured value but in the past year I have seriously upgraded her she is worth a lot more than insurance would pay. Furthermore, I expect to go on a long Bahamas cruise in November so I have real incentive to protect her this year. Option 1 is not really practical as the only close place that is well protected is the harbor at Dog Island but I have no way to get back once I have her there. I cannot get her under the bridge to go up river. The wide part of the river will probably be crowded with boats in the next couple days riding it out. Option 2, hauling is not an option even without a storm as the only local lift seems to operate only 10% of the time. Option 3 may work but I might expect 10-12' storm surge and 120 mph winds from the south as the storm goes ashore to the west. From my dock, I can look due south along the shore to Dog Island Sound about 1/2 mile away, not exactly well protected from the south where the wind will be blowing from. In normal conditions with only a 3.5' tidal range, it is difficult to arrange my dock/spring lines so she can rise and fall with the tide without being able to hit the pilings but in a 12' surge............I'll be on top of the pilings. Even with just spring lines from stern pilings to bow and bow pilings to stern cleat I will not have enough line stretch to allow for a 12' surge and stay off the pilings. Any ideas here? I probably will not even be able to run a stern anchor out (to the west into the river channel) as it would impede navigation of the channel. I can run a rope to shore to teh east. If I hadnt done all this work on her this past year, I'd just double the lines, allow her to beat herself to pieces and collect insurance but now I really want to protect her. Any ideas? Taking her to sea in the storm is idiocy so dont bother suggesting it. -- s/v Mutiny Rhodes Bounty II lying Oriental, NC WDB5619 |
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"Don White" wrote in message ...
Last September, when Hurricane Juan blasted through here, we were a bit lax with the genoa on the Mirage 33 I crewed on. We should have taken it down or at least wrap it better. Completely destroyed a one year old $ 2.5K sail. The almighty aint makin this easy, was just goin to drive down tot he coast to tie her better when I saw a nail in my tire. Went to NAPA and bought a tire plugging kit and a can of Fix a flat. The tire plugging kit was a piece of BS compared to past ones I have used and the Fix a Flat barely got it off the rim. Screw NAPA. Finally got one of their el cheapo plugs in it and found an adapter to use the compressor here at work. MAYBE, I'll make it home and go to Ragtime in the morn. Jeez. |
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(Parallax) wrote: My sailboat (28' S2, 7800 lbs) is at a dock at Carabelle, FL with fixed finger piers. The piling topss are no more than 7' above high water. TS Bonnie is approaching. Options a snip 3. Tie her as best I can and check my insurance. Option 3 may work but I might expect 10-12' storm surge and 120 mph winds from the south as the storm goes ashore to the west. From my dock, I can look due south along the shore to Dog Island Sound about 1/2 mile away, not exactly well protected from the south where the wind will be blowing from. If you haven't already, set your lines (at deck level) as long as possible -- bow-out if you can't cross your stern lines normally. LONG spring lines from well aft to the bow on both sides; none to keep the boat from backing out. If possible, cross the bow and stern breast lines to the second pilings over: your neighbors' outside pilings, so you have extra length. Start the motor and try to drive the boat into the dock, pilings and such. Adjust the lines until you can't hit anything despite your best efforts and lock them there. Then move the lines to the top of the pilings and "pin" them with a nail bent over them. Thus, when the boat rises to the top of the pilings, your lines will be properly set and you'll have another 5 or so feet more surge. Remember that sometimes the tide goes out abnormally just before; many boats were hanging from lines in our marina. Put a full set of longer lines tied off at the boat and adjustable from the dock. If the primary lines get too tight, they can be cut and you'll still be tied on. (If you'll be on the boat, you can reverse, of course; I'm allowing for others to adjust your lines in a pinch) When Isabele came through, that's pretty much what most of our marina did and only a few boats had any damage through a 9+ surge. We didn't have appreciable wind, though. Oh, and of course anything that can be removed from topside (sails, bimini, dodger) should be below. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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In article , (Parallax) wrote: My sailboat (28' S2, 7800 lbs) is at a dock at Carabelle, FL with fixed finger piers. The piling topss are no more than 7' above high water. TS Bonnie is approaching. Options a snip 3. Tie her as best I can and check my insurance. Option 3 may work but I might expect 10-12' storm surge and 120 mph winds from the south as the storm goes ashore to the west. From my dock, I can look due south along the shore to Dog Island Sound about 1/2 mile away, not exactly well protected from the south where the wind will be blowing from. If you haven't already, set your lines (at deck level) as long as possible -- bow-out if you can't cross your stern lines normally. LONG spring lines from well aft to the bow on both sides; none to keep the boat from backing out. If possible, cross the bow and stern breast lines to the second pilings over: your neighbors' outside pilings, so you have extra length. Start the motor and try to drive the boat into the dock, pilings and such. Adjust the lines until you can't hit anything despite your best efforts and lock them there. Then move the lines to the top of the pilings and "pin" them with a nail bent over them. Thus, when the boat rises to the top of the pilings, your lines will be properly set and you'll have another 5 or so feet more surge. Remember that sometimes the tide goes out abnormally just before; many boats were hanging from lines in our marina. Put a full set of longer lines tied off at the boat and adjustable from the dock. If the primary lines get too tight, they can be cut and you'll still be tied on. (If you'll be on the boat, you can reverse, of course; I'm allowing for others to adjust your lines in a pinch) When Isabele came through, that's pretty much what most of our marina did and only a few boats had any damage through a 9+ surge. We didn't have appreciable wind, though. Oh, and of course anything that can be removed from topside (sails, bimini, dodger) should be below. Driving down to Carabelle from Tallahassee, there were many boats being hauled away from the coast as Bonnie gets closer. Very little wind at Carebelle, a typical sticky August day. Hardly anybody on nearby boats tying them although I did finally meet the guy on the Cal 34 next to me. I bought 200' of 1/2" nylon anchor line for use as spring line. By being fairly careful about how it was run, I was able to get four spring lines without cutting it so i will have a new anchor line later. While standing there wiping the sweat, I noticed a woman taking pics of me and my boat. I figgered she was an insurance person doing a "Pre" pic but she said she was from the AP (Associated Press). Its gotta be a slow news day when newsies appear in Carabelle. Carabelle is my kind of place, bedraggled rusting shrimp boats with pieces of plywood nailed over holes, local fishing boats with anchors made from auto axles welded together, sailboats looking older than their age from the constant solar UV and heat, tarpaper sheetmetal and weatherbeaten wood shacks in the scrub oak woods. This is Florida the way it should be but it is almost gone as my Carabelle paradise has been "discovered" by South Florida and Yankee scum. The entire waterfront has been bought up by foreigners who have built condo trash on the shore. The old drugstore has been turned into an artsy-fartsy gift shop. If my boat is destroyed, my consolation will be that some of this creeping cancer of "civilization" will be destroyed too and maybe insurance will become too expensive for them. TOURISTS GO HOME! I want to protect my boat, but I pray for devastating Hurricanes. David OHara |
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Stayed at the Moorings in Carabelle this past spring while delivering a boat
via a modified version of the Great Loop. I have a Julia Mae's bumper sticker next to my printer right now. The good news is that the S2 is built like a tank. Mine S2 9.1 survived a slew of hurricanes while moored in Marion, MA. Best wishes. Tom "Parallax" wrote in message om... Jere Lull wrote in message ... In article , (Parallax) wrote: My sailboat (28' S2, 7800 lbs) is at a dock at Carabelle, FL with fixed finger piers. The piling topss are no more than 7' above high water. TS Bonnie is approaching. Options a snip 3. Tie her as best I can and check my insurance. Option 3 may work but I might expect 10-12' storm surge and 120 mph winds from the south as the storm goes ashore to the west. From my dock, I can look due south along the shore to Dog Island Sound about 1/2 mile away, not exactly well protected from the south where the wind will be blowing from. If you haven't already, set your lines (at deck level) as long as possible -- bow-out if you can't cross your stern lines normally. LONG spring lines from well aft to the bow on both sides; none to keep the boat from backing out. If possible, cross the bow and stern breast lines to the second pilings over: your neighbors' outside pilings, so you have extra length. Start the motor and try to drive the boat into the dock, pilings and such. Adjust the lines until you can't hit anything despite your best efforts and lock them there. Then move the lines to the top of the pilings and "pin" them with a nail bent over them. Thus, when the boat rises to the top of the pilings, your lines will be properly set and you'll have another 5 or so feet more surge. Remember that sometimes the tide goes out abnormally just before; many boats were hanging from lines in our marina. Put a full set of longer lines tied off at the boat and adjustable from the dock. If the primary lines get too tight, they can be cut and you'll still be tied on. (If you'll be on the boat, you can reverse, of course; I'm allowing for others to adjust your lines in a pinch) When Isabele came through, that's pretty much what most of our marina did and only a few boats had any damage through a 9+ surge. We didn't have appreciable wind, though. Oh, and of course anything that can be removed from topside (sails, bimini, dodger) should be below. Driving down to Carabelle from Tallahassee, there were many boats being hauled away from the coast as Bonnie gets closer. Very little wind at Carebelle, a typical sticky August day. Hardly anybody on nearby boats tying them although I did finally meet the guy on the Cal 34 next to me. I bought 200' of 1/2" nylon anchor line for use as spring line. By being fairly careful about how it was run, I was able to get four spring lines without cutting it so i will have a new anchor line later. While standing there wiping the sweat, I noticed a woman taking pics of me and my boat. I figgered she was an insurance person doing a "Pre" pic but she said she was from the AP (Associated Press). Its gotta be a slow news day when newsies appear in Carabelle. Carabelle is my kind of place, bedraggled rusting shrimp boats with pieces of plywood nailed over holes, local fishing boats with anchors made from auto axles welded together, sailboats looking older than their age from the constant solar UV and heat, tarpaper sheetmetal and weatherbeaten wood shacks in the scrub oak woods. This is Florida the way it should be but it is almost gone as my Carabelle paradise has been "discovered" by South Florida and Yankee scum. The entire waterfront has been bought up by foreigners who have built condo trash on the shore. The old drugstore has been turned into an artsy-fartsy gift shop. If my boat is destroyed, my consolation will be that some of this creeping cancer of "civilization" will be destroyed too and maybe insurance will become too expensive for them. TOURISTS GO HOME! I want to protect my boat, but I pray for devastating Hurricanes. David OHara |
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"Tom R." wrote in message ... Stayed at the Moorings in Carabelle this past spring while delivering a boat via a modified version of the Great Loop. I have a Julia Mae's bumper sticker next to my printer right now. The good news is that the S2 is built like a tank. Mine S2 9.1 survived a slew of hurricanes while moored in Marion, MA. Best wishes. Tom, Marion is a nice place, but I would think a bit crowded for a hurricane hole. I left Mattapoisett a little over 50 years ago and both it and Marion had breathing room, but not any more. Leanne |
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We were lucky. We had a commercial size mooring on the channel coming in
after Ram Island more or less across from the Beverly Yacht Club. Facing southeast there was nothing in front of us. We left it about 5 years ago and downsized to smaller boats on Pleasant Bay in Chatham. Tom "Leanne" wrote in message ... "Tom R." wrote in message ... Stayed at the Moorings in Carabelle this past spring while delivering a boat via a modified version of the Great Loop. I have a Julia Mae's bumper sticker next to my printer right now. The good news is that the S2 is built like a tank. Mine S2 9.1 survived a slew of hurricanes while moored in Marion, MA. Best wishes. Tom, Marion is a nice place, but I would think a bit crowded for a hurricane hole. I left Mattapoisett a little over 50 years ago and both it and Marion had breathing room, but not any more. Leanne |
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rhys wrote in message . ..
On 11 Aug 2004 15:21:29 -0700, (Parallax) wrote: This is Florida the way it should be but it is almost gone as my Carabelle paradise has been "discovered" by South Florida and Yankee scum Wow, I didn't know Carl Hiassen was a boater G R. Fortunately for my boat but unfortunately for the removal of condo-trash from MY beaches, Bonnie has turned into a bust. NOW, for my OT rant. I HAVE A DREAM, that one day, air conditioning will be illegal, and all the northern transplants will go away and return FL to its natural state of being a backwater swamp. To that end, I advocate that every year, we burn Dr. John Gorrie in effigy in Apalachicola, FL (in 1856, Gorrie invented AC by building an ice machine to be used to cool a stream of air for his malaria patients). For cruising sailors, feel free to visit, but for Gods sake, dont stay, This aint no Disney world. Rodent World is the work of the devil. As a 6th generation Fl native, I despise what tourism has done to my home and I think that tourism is an especially dirty industry. It provides Minimum wage seasonal jobs while claiming to help the economy. It destroys our salt marshes and beaches by covering them with tacky condo-shacks filled with refrigerated air and cryogenic Yankees. Make Air Conditioning illegal and Real Estate Agentism an illegal profession and put razor wire fences along I-75. Get rid of tourists and then DRILL FOR OIL AND GAS IN THE GULF. The oil industry is FAR cleaner than the tourist industry. A thousand Exxon Valdez accidents would cause less damage than a single Theme park. Which is worse, drilling rigs on the horizon or not being able to see the horizon due to condos? Oil and gas could provide jobs for the few remaining natives after the transplants are gone. BTW, Carl Hiassen is a yankee transplant. David OHara |
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David, why don't you tell us how you really feel?
Don't forget, without tourism, there would be no Jobs for you. |
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Dave wrote:
On 12 Aug 2004 06:07:53 -0700, (Parallax) said: I HAVE A DREAM, that one day, air conditioning will be illegal, and all the northern transplants will go away and return FL to its natural state of being a backwater swamp. And while we're at it, let's take down all the bridges to Manhattan and make ferries the only way to get here. In fact maybe we could even expel everyone who didn't have an ancestor here before 1776. (There would, of course, be a "right of return" for anybody who did.) Everybody get in his tree house and pull up the ladder behind him. ;) Yeah, and let's do away with home heating systems too, and go back to bearskin coats! And while we're at it airplanes and trains and cars! In fact, let's go back to the stone age where we fight the next tribe over for our food and territory! This comfort and security nowadays is just too much to take! Stephen |
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David O'hara,
One would think a sixth generation Floridian would know what to do with his wee boat when a storm breweth! I wondered why you were spending more time writing (and wringing your hands), than dealing with the problem. And I'm still wondering. My daughter is a first generation Floridian, I first came down here to pick pieces of the Challenger off the bottom, and decided I like the place. But not necessarily all the rednecks. Remember, fresh blood is GOOD for the gene pool. MMC "Parallax" wrote in message om... rhys wrote in message . .. On 11 Aug 2004 15:21:29 -0700, (Parallax) wrote: This is Florida the way it should be but it is almost gone as my Carabelle paradise has been "discovered" by South Florida and Yankee scum Wow, I didn't know Carl Hiassen was a boater G R. Fortunately for my boat but unfortunately for the removal of condo-trash from MY beaches, Bonnie has turned into a bust. NOW, for my OT rant. I HAVE A DREAM, that one day, air conditioning will be illegal, and all the northern transplants will go away and return FL to its natural state of being a backwater swamp. To that end, I advocate that every year, we burn Dr. John Gorrie in effigy in Apalachicola, FL (in 1856, Gorrie invented AC by building an ice machine to be used to cool a stream of air for his malaria patients). For cruising sailors, feel free to visit, but for Gods sake, dont stay, This aint no Disney world. Rodent World is the work of the devil. As a 6th generation Fl native, I despise what tourism has done to my home and I think that tourism is an especially dirty industry. It provides Minimum wage seasonal jobs while claiming to help the economy. It destroys our salt marshes and beaches by covering them with tacky condo-shacks filled with refrigerated air and cryogenic Yankees. Make Air Conditioning illegal and Real Estate Agentism an illegal profession and put razor wire fences along I-75. Get rid of tourists and then DRILL FOR OIL AND GAS IN THE GULF. The oil industry is FAR cleaner than the tourist industry. A thousand Exxon Valdez accidents would cause less damage than a single Theme park. Which is worse, drilling rigs on the horizon or not being able to see the horizon due to condos? Oil and gas could provide jobs for the few remaining natives after the transplants are gone. BTW, Carl Hiassen is a yankee transplant. David OHara |
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David O'hara, One would think a sixth generation Floridian would know what to do with his wee boat when a storm breweth! I wondered why you were spending more time writing (and wringing your hands), than dealing with the problem. And I'm still wondering. My daughter is a first generation Floridian, I first came down here to pick pieces of the Challenger off the bottom, and decided I like the place. But not necessarily all the rednecks. Remember, fresh blood is GOOD for the gene pool. MMC "Parallax" wrote in message om... rhys wrote in message . .. On 11 Aug 2004 15:21:29 -0700, (Parallax) wrote: This is Florida the way it should be but it is almost gone as my Carabelle paradise has been "discovered" by South Florida and Yankee scum Wow, I didn't know Carl Hiassen was a boater G R. Fortunately for my boat but unfortunately for the removal of condo-trash from MY beaches, Bonnie has turned into a bust. NOW, for my OT rant. I HAVE A DREAM, that one day, air conditioning will be illegal, and all the northern transplants will go away and return FL to its natural state of being a backwater swamp. To that end, I advocate that every year, we burn Dr. John Gorrie in effigy in Apalachicola, FL (in 1856, Gorrie invented AC by building an ice machine to be used to cool a stream of air for his malaria patients). For cruising sailors, feel free to visit, but for Gods sake, dont stay, This aint no Disney world. Rodent World is the work of the devil. As a 6th generation Fl native, I despise what tourism has done to my home and I think that tourism is an especially dirty industry. It provides Minimum wage seasonal jobs while claiming to help the economy. It destroys our salt marshes and beaches by covering them with tacky condo-shacks filled with refrigerated air and cryogenic Yankees. Make Air Conditioning illegal and Real Estate Agentism an illegal profession and put razor wire fences along I-75. Get rid of tourists and then DRILL FOR OIL AND GAS IN THE GULF. The oil industry is FAR cleaner than the tourist industry. A thousand Exxon Valdez accidents would cause less damage than a single Theme park. Which is worse, drilling rigs on the horizon or not being able to see the horizon due to condos? Oil and gas could provide jobs for the few remaining natives after the transplants are gone. BTW, Carl Hiassen is a yankee transplant. David OHara Fresh blood is for sharks and lightning is Gods wrath on Yankee golfers in Florida. In the past, I kept my boat in a very safe canal, unfortunately, the influx of people has made such safe places very rare so I have had to make do with an exposed location I do not like (Carabelle is a nice little town, but not a good hurricane hole). The real problem is too many people in Florida. It oughta be a sort of clue when Miami, one of the wettest places on earth is running out of fresh water. My long term plan after my next bahama trip is to sell my 28' S2 and build a 32' trailerable tri. With 1.5' draft (board up), I can put her waaaaaaaaaaaaaay up river in shallow water where nobody else can go. BTW, oughta be some good deals on storm damaged boats right now. |
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