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Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Fish oil will get rid of the breaking waves. Or any vegetable oil. Mineral
oil does not spread but makes sort of globule patches here andthere and besides it's illegal to dump. If not fish oil which seems to be the best use some other organic matter such as wesson oil. Doesn't matter if it's left over from the deep fryer! To keep the para style anchors from passing through the troughs and crests of waves deploy them about three wave crests out or more and put the boat on a 40 deg. orso angle tothe wave crests. (p. 81 Good Ole Boat Jul/Aug shows one good method) When your boat is on a crest the anchor will be on another one and so on. For the mulitple drogue system to work and it does work well you have to have enough to cover at least one full wave length crest to crest to ensure a part of it will be biting in to a sectionof one wave inthesame place as your boatis on another one. Still need three plus waves for distance though. The multiple drogue system is useful when you don't have time left to do much else. But then . .. . .like reefing why did you wait? Never mind . . .lots of reasons and in astorm is not time tobelabor the point. Now having gone through all that - I have both systems plus five or more gallons of fish oil and I don't sail during storm seasons. Careful . . . . but still prepared. M. "Bryan Glover" wrote in message om... Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded about para anchors. “Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will tend to yaw away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended” U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6 A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or parachute type drogue/sea anchor” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 “ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor have a higher chance of success – for most situations”. Steve Dashew “With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike should not be excessive” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4 “Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind and sea. A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and is extremely uncomfortable.” Steve Dashew There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com I have the following questions:- Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms. Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are they spoon fed by interest groups. Regards Bryan Glover |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Actually . .. .waves break all across the oceans. Check your Force chart
photos. It's an offshore thing Jax. M. "otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net... JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms
advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded about para anchors. “Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will tend to yaw away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended” U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6 A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or parachute type drogue/sea anchor” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 “ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor have a higher chance of success – for most situations”. Steve Dashew “With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike should not be excessive” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4 “Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind and sea. A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and is extremely uncomfortable.” Steve Dashew There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com I have the following questions:- Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms. Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are they spoon fed by interest groups. Regards Bryan Glover |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
para anchor manufacturers are prolific
advertisers. "prolific"? it seems you don't know what the word means. Here, let me help you out. prolific \Pro*lif"ic\, 1. Having the quality of generating; producing young or fruit; generative; fruitful; productive; -- applied to plants producing fruit, animals producing young, etc.; -- usually with the implied idea of frequent or numerous production; as, a prolific tree, female, and the like. 2. Serving to produce; fruitful of results; active; as, a prolific brain; a controversy prolific of evil. |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogu
ah, so THAT is what your rant was about. you are selling something |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves
is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Are you claiming that breaking waves cannot occur in a strong storm?
"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
mmmmmm
This seems to be in direct opposition to the view of Lin and Larry Pardy, who advocate lying hove to while attached to a small parachute, etc. under 'survival'/breaking seas conditions ....... and (most importantly) with the para anchor attached to bridle so that the boat lays at an approximate 45 degree angle to the oncomming seas. Thier chief argument is that the 'slip-wake turbulence' that is produced while lying hove-to (at an anagle) will prevent the oncomming seas to break. Ive tried it in less than 'survival' conditions and such a 'turbulence slick' does in fact seem to 'calm the waters' sufficiently to dampen the crest from breaking ..... just my (small sample) personal observation. Both Pardys further state that most who ride to a sea anchor bow-on will not have any beneficial effect of the 'slip turbulance'. Dashew is one who never is found in a hove-to position but advocates running off whenever possible. (Is that running off ..... while dragging a sea anchor - dont think so!) In article , Bryan Glover wrote: Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded about para anchors. “Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will tend to yaw away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended” U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6 A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or parachute type drogue/sea anchor” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 “ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor have a higher chance of success – for most situations”. Steve Dashew “With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike should not be excessive” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4 “Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind and sea. A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and is extremely uncomfortable.” Steve Dashew There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com I have the following questions:- Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms. Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are they spoon fed by interest groups. Regards Bryan Glover |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Michael wrote:
Actually . .. .waves break all across the oceans. Check your Force chart photos. It's an offshore thing Jax. M. "otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net... JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... Jax models bathing suits for Speedo and simply doesn't go offshore. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Are you claiming that breaking waves cannot occur in a strong storm?
no, I am claiming waves break because of bottom friction. you'd know that, jeffies, if you had that degree in physics you claim you have. |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
I guess over the knee didn't know either.
Date: 8/5/2004 12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Micheal, you spend time offshore. just how many breaking waves have you seen
outside the 100 fathom line? some, to be sure, but damned few. It takes a very special case to cause a wave to break when the water is very deep. Actually . .. .waves break all across the oceans. Check your Force chart photos. It's an offshore thing Jax. M. "otnmbrd" wrote in message hlink.net... JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
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Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:53:34 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Jax models bathing suits for Speedo and simply doesn't go offshore. I hear that it blows there. R. |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
ROFL More Jaxtroll. You ever been outside the 100 fathom curve Jax?
JAXAshby wrote: I guess over the knee didn't know either. Date: 8/5/2004 12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
he doesn't know what a 'fathom' is..
otnmbrd wrote: ROFL More Jaxtroll. You ever been outside the 100 fathom curve Jax? JAXAshby wrote: I guess over the knee didn't know either. Date: 8/5/2004 12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote: Dashew is one who never is found in a hove-to position but advocates running off whenever possible. (Is that running off ..... while dragging a sea anchor - dont think so!) ====================================== Running off while towing lines (warps) or a drogue has been reported as very effective. (Heavy Weather Sailing/ K. Adlard Coles) |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Running off while towing lines (warps) or a drogue has been reported
as very effective. (Heavy Weather Sailing/ K. Adlard Coles) to a point. |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
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Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
he doesn't know what a 'fathom' is..
fathom \Fath"om\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Fathomed; p. pr. & vb. n. Fathoming.] 1. To encompass with the arms extended or encircling; to measure by throwing the arms about; to span. [Obs.] --Purchas. 2. The measure by a sounding line; especially, to sound the depth of; to penetrate, measure, and comprehend; to get to the bottom of. --Dryden. The page of life that was spread out before me seemed dull and commonplace, only because I had not fathomed its deeper import. --Hawthotne otnmbrd wrote: ROFL More Jaxtroll. You ever been outside the 100 fathom curve Jax? JAXAshby wrote: I guess over the knee didn't know either. Date: 8/5/2004 12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net JAXAshby wrote: btw dood, you know -- of course -- the easiest way to to avoid breaking waves is to stay outside the hundred fathom line, don't you? JAXtroll ...... |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
JAXAshby wrote: yes. From: otnmbrd Date: 8/5/2004 10:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: . net ROFL More Jaxtroll. You ever been outside the 100 fathom curve Jax? G Well, if you've been outside the curve as much as you've been in charge of the navigation, you probably did it once for a short time on a flat calm day. Later dood. |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
(Trent D. Sanders) wrote in message . com...
You might want to look at the video "Storm Tactics" by Larry & Lin Pardey before you judge para-anchors. Used properly, as the video shows , they're very effective. T. Sanders S/V Cimba (Bryan Glover) wrote in message . com... Para anchor,sea anchors dont provide the protection in storms advertised by the manufacturers. The leading yachting magazines perpetuate the myth, because para anchor manufacturers are prolific advertisers. Both parties show themselves as little better than bilge raised haddock. Here is some examples of what research has concluded about para anchors. “Even with a large sea anchor the bow of a modern yacht will tend to yaw away from the wind when the towline goes slack as it will when the boat passes through the trough of the wave. For these reasons the use of a sea anchor deployed from the bow is not recommended” U.S. Coast Guard Report No CG-D-20-87 sec 6-6 A series type drogue provides significant advantages over a cone or parachute type drogue/sea anchor” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 “ When we were doing our research for Surviving the storm, we did not find a single positive experience in these conditions using para anchors. And the unmistakable conclusion for us from this is that in dangerously breaking seas, tactics other than a parachute anchor have a higher chance of success – for most situations”. Steve Dashew “With a series drogue deployed, a well-designed and properly constructed fibreglass boat should be capable of riding through a Fastnet type storm with no structural damage. Model tests indicate that the loads on the hull and rigging in a breaking wave strike should not be excessive” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec 6-4 “Para anchor users interviewed all find their parachute anchors extremely difficult to retrieve in other than moderate wind and sea. A major factor regarding both personal comfort and one’s use of parachute anchors in breaking seas is the boat’s tendency to sail at anchor. As stated earlier, if your boat sails on the hook, the odds are it will sail around even more fiercely while lying to a parachute in the middle of the ocean. This oscillation creates extreme loads, presents the bow at a wide and dangerous angle to the sea, and is extremely uncomfortable.” Steve Dashew There is much more of the same on my web site www.seriesdrogue.com I have the following questions:- Do product description codes/laws cover para anchors Is it legal to advertise para anchors as safe in open ocean storms. Do yachting magazines do any research when writing articles, or are they spoon fed by interest groups. Regards Bryan Glover Rich, you may find this of interest, "There are two ways around this. One is some form of riding sail or backstaysail as we’ve discussed. The other is to bridle the parachute off the bow, as advocated by the Pardeys. The bridle is used with a reefed trysail or deeply reefed main to increase resistance to rolling. A key feature of this approach for the Pardeys is the creation of a slick off their keel, which – theoretically, at least – calms the seas. This is a major safety issue, because without the slick, the boat is now lying at an angle of 50 deg or 60 deg to breaking crests, quite vulnerable to a knockdown or worse. I have no doubt that the Pardey’s Seraffyn did in fact create a slick to windward in its day, but I have never seen this myself, and I have interviewed only one other sailor who claims to have been able to crate this type of beneficial slick and have it work as advertised." Stev Dashew Heaving to, Lying ahull, or Running off “It is important to note that most storms, even severe storms, do not create dangerous breaking waves. Sailors who survive such storms may conclude that the tactics they employ, such as heaving to, lying ahull or running off, are adequate to prevent capsize. This is a serious mistake. There is very compelling evidence to show that while a well found boat will survive a storm in non-breaking waves, none of the above tactics will prevent capsize in a breaking wave strike.” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec1-1 Bryan |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
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Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
ah, so if the word had some particular meaning back in the early eighteenth
century it has the same meaning and usage today? btw, dood, you missed the nuance of the early 18th century meaning. ? dood? are *you* now stating that the product you are pushing for profit works as you have stated as shown by your use of a three hundred year old meaning of a word no longer used in that fashion. dood, it sounds like you are trying to justify your sloppy word usage. that gives one and all cause for pause about every last thing you might be claiming about that product you are trying to turn a buck on. dood, it is the third millenium. try to keep up. para anchor manufacturers are prolific advertisers. "prolific"? it seems you don't know what the word means. Here, let me help you out. prolific \Pro*lif"ic\, 1. Having the quality of generating; producing young or fruit; generative; fruitful; productive; -- applied to plants producing fruit, animals producing young, etc.; -- usually with the implied idea of frequent or numerous production; as, a prolific tree, female, and the like. 2. Serving to produce; fruitful of results; active; as, a prolific brain; a controversy prolific of evil. Jax prolific 2b this age being not very prolifique of customers for such a commodity.PEPYS. 3 By Niles prolific torrents delug'd o'er. ad1738. Shorter Oxford Dic I assumed you would have known the above, as in 1738 you people still spoke the Queens English, shame on you. Bryan |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
Wayne.B wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Rich Hampel wrote: Dashew is one who never is found in a hove-to position but advocates running off whenever possible. (Is that running off ..... while dragging a sea anchor - dont think so!) ====================================== Running off while towing lines (warps) or a drogue has been reported as very effective. (Heavy Weather Sailing/ K. Adlard Coles) Rich, you may find this of interest, "There are two ways around this. One is some form of riding sail or backstaysail as we’ve discussed. The other is to bridle the parachute off the bow, as advocated by the Pardeys. The bridle is used with a reefed trysail or deeply reefed main to increase resistance to rolling. A key feature of this approach for the Pardeys is the creation of a slick off their keel, which – theoretically, at least – calms the seas. This is a major safety issue, because without the slick, the boat is now lying at an angle of 50 deg or 60 deg to breaking crests, quite vulnerable to a knockdown or worse. I have no doubt that the Pardey’s Seraffyn did in fact create a slick to windward in its day, but I have never seen this myself, and I have interviewed only one other sailor who claims to have been able to crate this type of beneficial slick and have it work as advertised." Stev Dashew Heaving to, Lying ahull, or Running off “It is important to note that most storms, even severe storms, do not create dangerous breaking waves. Sailors who survive such storms may conclude that the tactics they employ, such as heaving to, lying ahull or running off, are adequate to prevent capsize. This is a serious mistake. There is very compelling evidence to show that while a well found boat will survive a storm in non-breaking waves, none of the above tactics will prevent capsize in a breaking wave strike.” U.S. Coast Guard Report CG-D-20-87 sec1-1 Bryan |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
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Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
The next question is if a wave like that could form in the open ocean?
it is unusual, and takes unusual conditions. by far, most waves break because the water is too shallow for the wave height, as bottom friction slows the bottom of the wave (water in a waves turns in large circles at the top of the wave, and ever smaller circles as water depth increases) and the top of the wave simply gets ahead of the bottom and falls over. |
Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
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Para anchors dont work in breaking waves
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