Water in the bilge
 

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?
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I am not familiar with Sea Ray
Is it shaft? or out drive?
Reuben

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:41:19 GMT, Jim Woodard
wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?

Water in the bilge
 

It's an I/O...

Reuben Rothstein wrote:

I am not familiar with Sea Ray
Is it shaft? or out drive?
Reuben

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:41:19 GMT, Jim Woodard
wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?

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"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water?

Some amount is inevitable.

If you wash the boat then it is quite likely that water gets sprayed into
the vents.

When you run the boat, water can often spray in.

If people swim and/or ski and climb back into the boat wet then they will
bring water in with them.


The amount that you describe sounds like a bit more than what I would
attribute to these causes, so you may have a leak. While a slow leak
doesn't represent a significant danger of sinking it can have long term
effects on the boat. The transom usually has wood that provides the
strength, and if the leak causes this wood to get wet it can rot and that
would be very bad.

My suggestion is to try to establish when and where the leak is coming from.
Before you start boating, open the engine hatch and inspect the bilge. Dry
it out with a towel if you have to. Launch the boat and let it sit for a
few minutes, then look for any water.

If it is still dry, start the engine and let it idle for a few minutes.
Inspect again.

Take it for a short run, being careful not to take any water over the side.
Inspect again.

Once you see water, try to establish if it is coming from the front or rear.

If you establish that the leak is coming from the outdrive then you really
need to stop the leak. You may need to change the rubber boot in the
outdrive or re-seal the mounting holes.

Rod

Water in the bilge
 

No swimmers or ski-ers......no sprays....just water....I took my
engine manual down to the dealer today and he showed me several things
to look at and try. Everyone tells me some amount is inevitable....
but no one can tell me where it is coming from. I have never towed
a ski-er and have never even had anybody with wet clothes or swim suits
enter the boat. I have never used a hose to wash the boat....only
used towels on the outside hull....

Having said that, I now know where SOME of the water is coming from.
I have 5 blue plastic valves which I remove in order to winterize the
boat...when I remove them, water drains from the block. I saw water
leaking from two of them (just dripping slowly) and I found out there
are o-rings which I never knew existed and apparently lost (dropped)
over the winter a year ago....I picked up two new ones and replaced
them...no more drops....however, I am told the others need o-rings
too...they are underneath the engine and I never saw them leaking..
I got 3 new o-rings today and will replace them this weekend...that
might change the amount of water.....but it still does not answer
the question why did I get water in the bilge even the first year
long before I ever winterized the boat and removed those plastic
valves? I talked with the service manager and the sales manager
today and they both claim they get some water in the bilge every
time they go out....but the draining lasts only about 3 or 4
seconds. That's probably a lot more like I used to have the first
year....

Also picked up some bilge cleaner (our lake has a muddy bottom and
cloudy water and has dirtied the bilge considerably)....was
surprised to see all you have to do is pour in some clean water and
about 2/3 of this can and then take the boat out on the lake for
an hour or so....then open the drain cock and let it all run out
and your bilge is supposed to be clean....no scrubbing or using
a brush or anything else....I supposed you guys know all about this
but I learn something new every day about boating and am glad to
do so. I just read the manuals this year even though I had the boat
for 2 years....learned a bunch even about starting the engine which
I never knew....pays to read, I guess....and before all else fails.


Rod McInnis wrote:

"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water?

Some amount is inevitable.

If you wash the boat then it is quite likely that water gets sprayed into
the vents.

When you run the boat, water can often spray in.

If people swim and/or ski and climb back into the boat wet then they will
bring water in with them.

The amount that you describe sounds like a bit more than what I would
attribute to these causes, so you may have a leak. While a slow leak
doesn't represent a significant danger of sinking it can have long term
effects on the boat. The transom usually has wood that provides the
strength, and if the leak causes this wood to get wet it can rot and that
would be very bad.

My suggestion is to try to establish when and where the leak is coming from.
Before you start boating, open the engine hatch and inspect the bilge. Dry
it out with a towel if you have to. Launch the boat and let it sit for a
few minutes, then look for any water.

If it is still dry, start the engine and let it idle for a few minutes.
Inspect again.

Take it for a short run, being careful not to take any water over the side.
Inspect again.

Once you see water, try to establish if it is coming from the front or rear.

If you establish that the leak is coming from the outdrive then you really
need to stop the leak. You may need to change the rubber boot in the
outdrive or re-seal the mounting holes.

Rod

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Its possible the water is actually accumulating all the time, but it takes the
boat's motion to coax it into the bilge where you can see it.

Icebox? Condensation?


"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...
No swimmers or ski-ers......no sprays....just water....I took my
engine manual down to the dealer today and he showed me several things
to look at and try. Everyone tells me some amount is inevitable....
but no one can tell me where it is coming from. I have never towed
a ski-er and have never even had anybody with wet clothes or swim suits
enter the boat. I have never used a hose to wash the boat....only
used towels on the outside hull....

Having said that, I now know where SOME of the water is coming from.
I have 5 blue plastic valves which I remove in order to winterize the
boat...when I remove them, water drains from the block. I saw water
leaking from two of them (just dripping slowly) and I found out there
are o-rings which I never knew existed and apparently lost (dropped)
over the winter a year ago....I picked up two new ones and replaced
them...no more drops....however, I am told the others need o-rings
too...they are underneath the engine and I never saw them leaking..
I got 3 new o-rings today and will replace them this weekend...that
might change the amount of water.....but it still does not answer
the question why did I get water in the bilge even the first year
long before I ever winterized the boat and removed those plastic
valves? I talked with the service manager and the sales manager
today and they both claim they get some water in the bilge every
time they go out....but the draining lasts only about 3 or 4
seconds. That's probably a lot more like I used to have the first
year....

Also picked up some bilge cleaner (our lake has a muddy bottom and
cloudy water and has dirtied the bilge considerably)....was
surprised to see all you have to do is pour in some clean water and
about 2/3 of this can and then take the boat out on the lake for
an hour or so....then open the drain cock and let it all run out
and your bilge is supposed to be clean....no scrubbing or using
a brush or anything else....I supposed you guys know all about this
but I learn something new every day about boating and am glad to
do so. I just read the manuals this year even though I had the boat
for 2 years....learned a bunch even about starting the engine which
I never knew....pays to read, I guess....and before all else fails.


Rod McInnis wrote:

"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water?

Some amount is inevitable.

If you wash the boat then it is quite likely that water gets sprayed into
the vents.

When you run the boat, water can often spray in.

If people swim and/or ski and climb back into the boat wet then they will
bring water in with them.

The amount that you describe sounds like a bit more than what I would
attribute to these causes, so you may have a leak. While a slow leak
doesn't represent a significant danger of sinking it can have long term
effects on the boat. The transom usually has wood that provides the
strength, and if the leak causes this wood to get wet it can rot and that
would be very bad.

My suggestion is to try to establish when and where the leak is coming from.
Before you start boating, open the engine hatch and inspect the bilge. Dry
it out with a towel if you have to. Launch the boat and let it sit for a
few minutes, then look for any water.

If it is still dry, start the engine and let it idle for a few minutes.
Inspect again.

Take it for a short run, being careful not to take any water over the side.
Inspect again.

Once you see water, try to establish if it is coming from the front or rear.

If you establish that the leak is coming from the outdrive then you really
need to stop the leak. You may need to change the rubber boot in the
outdrive or re-seal the mounting holes.

Rod

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No icebox. Condensation only if it is caused by our high humidity...
but I get it during the non-humid days too....guess I am going to
have to hope the new o-rings fix the problem enough for it not to
be a problem but just a nuisance.

Jeff Morris wrote:

Its possible the water is actually accumulating all the time, but it takes the
boat's motion to coax it into the bilge where you can see it.

Icebox? Condensation?

"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...
No swimmers or ski-ers......no sprays....just water....I took my
engine manual down to the dealer today and he showed me several things
to look at and try. Everyone tells me some amount is inevitable....
but no one can tell me where it is coming from. I have never towed
a ski-er and have never even had anybody with wet clothes or swim suits
enter the boat. I have never used a hose to wash the boat....only
used towels on the outside hull....

Having said that, I now know where SOME of the water is coming from.
I have 5 blue plastic valves which I remove in order to winterize the
boat...when I remove them, water drains from the block. I saw water
leaking from two of them (just dripping slowly) and I found out there
are o-rings which I never knew existed and apparently lost (dropped)
over the winter a year ago....I picked up two new ones and replaced
them...no more drops....however, I am told the others need o-rings
too...they are underneath the engine and I never saw them leaking..
I got 3 new o-rings today and will replace them this weekend...that
might change the amount of water.....but it still does not answer
the question why did I get water in the bilge even the first year
long before I ever winterized the boat and removed those plastic
valves? I talked with the service manager and the sales manager
today and they both claim they get some water in the bilge every
time they go out....but the draining lasts only about 3 or 4
seconds. That's probably a lot more like I used to have the first
year....

Also picked up some bilge cleaner (our lake has a muddy bottom and
cloudy water and has dirtied the bilge considerably)....was
surprised to see all you have to do is pour in some clean water and
about 2/3 of this can and then take the boat out on the lake for
an hour or so....then open the drain cock and let it all run out
and your bilge is supposed to be clean....no scrubbing or using
a brush or anything else....I supposed you guys know all about this
but I learn something new every day about boating and am glad to
do so. I just read the manuals this year even though I had the boat
for 2 years....learned a bunch even about starting the engine which
I never knew....pays to read, I guess....and before all else fails.


Rod McInnis wrote:

"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water?

Some amount is inevitable.

If you wash the boat then it is quite likely that water gets sprayed into
the vents.

When you run the boat, water can often spray in.

If people swim and/or ski and climb back into the boat wet then they will
bring water in with them.

The amount that you describe sounds like a bit more than what I would
attribute to these causes, so you may have a leak. While a slow leak
doesn't represent a significant danger of sinking it can have long term
effects on the boat. The transom usually has wood that provides the
strength, and if the leak causes this wood to get wet it can rot and that
would be very bad.

My suggestion is to try to establish when and where the leak is coming from.
Before you start boating, open the engine hatch and inspect the bilge. Dry
it out with a towel if you have to. Launch the boat and let it sit for a
few minutes, then look for any water.

If it is still dry, start the engine and let it idle for a few minutes.
Inspect again.

Take it for a short run, being careful not to take any water over the side.
Inspect again.

Once you see water, try to establish if it is coming from the front or rear.

If you establish that the leak is coming from the outdrive then you really
need to stop the leak. You may need to change the rubber boot in the
outdrive or re-seal the mounting holes.

Rod

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Jim,

I'm having the same problem, and am still investigating it.


Here are some things to keep try or keep in mind.


Unless you have a manual bilge pump only, there is no way to tell how much
water your are getting in the bilge. I wired in a counter to actualy
increment by one whenever the pump activates. By pouring water into your
bilge I can measure the ammount of water needed to the float the switch
that automatically activates the pump. At the very least I can monitor if
the condition is getting worse, such as the pump cycling more often during
the same trip distance and conditions.

Check your bilge pump(s) and other thru-hull hoses to make sure they are
properly looped above their thru-hull. If the discharge hose is not
looped in this manner, water bay be splashing in via the thru-hull then
dumping back into the bilge. Not a major problem, but if you don't know
how the water is getting in ... I suspect I am having this is the problem
with my 28 Wellcraft, since I don't seem to take on any water at
displacement speeds.

As for troubleshooting... let the boat sit at the dock for a few rainless
days and note if any water gets in. Even with rains, most boats are
designed to dump the majority of water out via scuppers so the water
intake should by no means be significant. Next have someone who is
compentent at the helm or at inspecting for water ingress head out with
you with hatches open on a calm sunny day. Have them look at the lowest
point in the boat, usually the engine hatch. If they see water
accumulating have them note where, and follow up by looking through every
inspection hatch. If there is no water present, repeat the process at
planing speeds.

Hope this helps.

Bob Dimond


In article , wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?
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Thanks, Gene....but I have the boat covered each time it is on the
lift, and the only way I can remove the drain is to go in the water
and swim over to the boat with my trusty crescent wrench....that, of
course, requires changing to my swim suit, etc.....it is a private
place so I am the only one who could do it....we are on an inland
lake.

Gene Kearns wrote:

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:41:19 GMT, Jim Woodard wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?

Jim,

I'm not sure where the water is coming from (though I suspect rain/
condensation) and it doesn't seem to be enough to be terribly concerned
about..... however, a statement caught my eye..... "Now I have it on a boat
lift and I drain it about every 3 times..."

I read this that you are in dry storage and that the lift operator isn't
removing your (garboard) drain plug. He should be. (If it is a private lift
*you* should be.)

Ever mindful of heavy rains and hurricanes (we just ducked Alex), one doesn't
want a boat in dry storage to fill with rainwater... it can split the hull.
Boats make really good boats, but really poor water containers....

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Thanks, Bob....will keep all this in mind when I go back to the boat
this weekend and investigate some more.

"Bob D." wrote:

Jim,

I'm having the same problem, and am still investigating it.

Here are some things to keep try or keep in mind.

Unless you have a manual bilge pump only, there is no way to tell how much
water your are getting in the bilge. I wired in a counter to actualy
increment by one whenever the pump activates. By pouring water into your
bilge I can measure the ammount of water needed to the float the switch
that automatically activates the pump. At the very least I can monitor if
the condition is getting worse, such as the pump cycling more often during
the same trip distance and conditions.

Check your bilge pump(s) and other thru-hull hoses to make sure they are
properly looped above their thru-hull. If the discharge hose is not
looped in this manner, water bay be splashing in via the thru-hull then
dumping back into the bilge. Not a major problem, but if you don't know
how the water is getting in ... I suspect I am having this is the problem
with my 28 Wellcraft, since I don't seem to take on any water at
displacement speeds.

As for troubleshooting... let the boat sit at the dock for a few rainless
days and note if any water gets in. Even with rains, most boats are
designed to dump the majority of water out via scuppers so the water
intake should by no means be significant. Next have someone who is
compentent at the helm or at inspecting for water ingress head out with
you with hatches open on a calm sunny day. Have them look at the lowest
point in the boat, usually the engine hatch. If they see water
accumulating have them note where, and follow up by looking through every
inspection hatch. If there is no water present, repeat the process at
planing speeds.

Hope this helps.

Bob Dimond

In article , wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?
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Just had a friend with the same problem of mysterious bilge water. He found
it was a leaky hose connection that only leaked under higher pressures, ie
high rpm's !!!
G

"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Jim,

I'm having the same problem, and am still investigating it.


Here are some things to keep try or keep in mind.


Unless you have a manual bilge pump only, there is no way to tell how much
water your are getting in the bilge. I wired in a counter to actualy
increment by one whenever the pump activates. By pouring water into your
bilge I can measure the ammount of water needed to the float the switch
that automatically activates the pump. At the very least I can monitor if
the condition is getting worse, such as the pump cycling more often during
the same trip distance and conditions.

Check your bilge pump(s) and other thru-hull hoses to make sure they are
properly looped above their thru-hull. If the discharge hose is not
looped in this manner, water bay be splashing in via the thru-hull then
dumping back into the bilge. Not a major problem, but if you don't know
how the water is getting in ... I suspect I am having this is the problem
with my 28 Wellcraft, since I don't seem to take on any water at
displacement speeds.

As for troubleshooting... let the boat sit at the dock for a few rainless
days and note if any water gets in. Even with rains, most boats are
designed to dump the majority of water out via scuppers so the water
intake should by no means be significant. Next have someone who is
compentent at the helm or at inspecting for water ingress head out with
you with hatches open on a calm sunny day. Have them look at the lowest
point in the boat, usually the engine hatch. If they see water
accumulating have them note where, and follow up by looking through every
inspection hatch. If there is no water present, repeat the process at
planing speeds.

Hope this helps.

Bob Dimond


In article , wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?
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Service manager at the dealership mentioned that, and showed me which
hose clamps to check and when....got a weekend project.

Gordon wrote:

Just had a friend with the same problem of mysterious bilge water. He found
it was a leaky hose connection that only leaked under higher pressures, ie
high rpm's !!!
G

"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Jim,

I'm having the same problem, and am still investigating it.


Here are some things to keep try or keep in mind.


Unless you have a manual bilge pump only, there is no way to tell how much
water your are getting in the bilge. I wired in a counter to actualy
increment by one whenever the pump activates. By pouring water into your
bilge I can measure the ammount of water needed to the float the switch
that automatically activates the pump. At the very least I can monitor if
the condition is getting worse, such as the pump cycling more often during
the same trip distance and conditions.

Check your bilge pump(s) and other thru-hull hoses to make sure they are
properly looped above their thru-hull. If the discharge hose is not
looped in this manner, water bay be splashing in via the thru-hull then
dumping back into the bilge. Not a major problem, but if you don't know
how the water is getting in ... I suspect I am having this is the problem
with my 28 Wellcraft, since I don't seem to take on any water at
displacement speeds.

As for troubleshooting... let the boat sit at the dock for a few rainless
days and note if any water gets in. Even with rains, most boats are
designed to dump the majority of water out via scuppers so the water
intake should by no means be significant. Next have someone who is
compentent at the helm or at inspecting for water ingress head out with
you with hatches open on a calm sunny day. Have them look at the lowest
point in the boat, usually the engine hatch. If they see water
accumulating have them note where, and follow up by looking through every
inspection hatch. If there is no water present, repeat the process at
planing speeds.

Hope this helps.

Bob Dimond


In article , wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3 times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30 seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?
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I am still fixing my lovely boat - dam thing had several leaks - the
stuffing box on the ruder shaft, a crack near the prop filling up the keel
which forced water through the hull (yes) at a weak point near a bulkhead
forward of the engine and now the bloody shaft seal is leaking.

stay determined - dry out with a towel if necessary and you will eventually
find it and have a dry boat.

Don't believe that a boat should have water in the bilge - it shouldn't.

Shawn
"Scallywag"

"Jim Woodard" wrote in message
...
Service manager at the dealership mentioned that, and showed me which
hose clamps to check and when....got a weekend project.

Gordon wrote:

Just had a friend with the same problem of mysterious bilge water. He
found
it was a leaky hose connection that only leaked under higher pressures,
ie
high rpm's !!!
G

"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Jim,

I'm having the same problem, and am still investigating it.


Here are some things to keep try or keep in mind.


Unless you have a manual bilge pump only, there is no way to tell how
much
water your are getting in the bilge. I wired in a counter to actualy
increment by one whenever the pump activates. By pouring water into
your
bilge I can measure the ammount of water needed to the float the
switch
that automatically activates the pump. At the very least I can
monitor if
the condition is getting worse, such as the pump cycling more often
during
the same trip distance and conditions.

Check your bilge pump(s) and other thru-hull hoses to make sure they
are
properly looped above their thru-hull. If the discharge hose is not
looped in this manner, water bay be splashing in via the thru-hull
then
dumping back into the bilge. Not a major problem, but if you don't
know
how the water is getting in ... I suspect I am having this is the
problem
with my 28 Wellcraft, since I don't seem to take on any water at
displacement speeds.

As for troubleshooting... let the boat sit at the dock for a few
rainless
days and note if any water gets in. Even with rains, most boats are
designed to dump the majority of water out via scuppers so the water
intake should by no means be significant. Next have someone who is
compentent at the helm or at inspecting for water ingress head out
with
you with hatches open on a calm sunny day. Have them look at the
lowest
point in the boat, usually the engine hatch. If they see water
accumulating have them note where, and follow up by looking through
every
inspection hatch. If there is no water present, repeat the process at
planing speeds.

Hope this helps.

Bob Dimond


In article ,
wrote:

Can anyone tell me why I get a significant amount of water in the
bilge
every time I take my Sea Ray out on the water? This has happened
ever
since I bought the boat new but I used to drain it every time I took
it out...Now I have it on a boat lift and I drain it about every 3
times
I take it out and water pours out of the drain plug for 25-30
seconds
and sometimes more....

Could this be a hull problem, which would be still under warranty?
Or is it probably engine related?
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