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Big problem with S. Cal is the years long waiting list for a marina spot
plus the short amount of time California allows you to be in the state without paying a lot of taxes. Pass through rapidly and spend most of the time at anchor. Getting a liveaboard space for longer duration in PNW is still possible, the cheapest being in Oregon which also has the worst, by far, sailing conditions. You don't go to Oregon to sail, it's a sailby area. However the gem of the West is the San Juan Islands of both Washington and British Columbia and the areas N. and S. of them. Too many people traveling around the world head for the ho hum de riguer Panama Canal when they could have gone by way of St. Lawrence seaway, Great Lakes (truck the boat to/from Pac NW by truck (often far less expensive than the Panama route) and opened up a whole new world of cruising. And the above didn't include the route from St. lawrence to NYC, the Trent-Severn Waterway in Ontario, the Apolstle Islands, or out west up to Alaska. Just for starters. Far superior to the dry landscape string of marina bars featured from S. Cal on South. From Pac NW you can go South and West out to Hawaii or wherever. M. "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... You won't find much of anything around San Diego to go to or explore. It's kind of a wasteland for sailing. Wind's generally light, except just off the entrance where there's often a little headland effect. The Mexican port of Ensenada, Baja California, is a long day's motorsail south, with the small and barren Todos Santos Islands off Ensenada bay but nothing else to the south for a long way. Catalina Island (quite crowded during the summer) is a long day's motorsail north, and there's nothing in between those two destinations. All the California and Baja coast's a lee shore to the normal westerly winds, and is only sparsely populated with marinas. A slightly better choice in Southern California would be Ventura, about 75 miles north of Los Angeles. It has a nice small-town feel and is quite uncrowded compared to Los Angeles or San Diego. The northern Channel Islands, about 25 miles off the coast, are mostly uninhabited, and have quite a few nice anchorages that are pleasant and uncrowded, although sometimes untenable and dangerous during the fall Santana season. The Channel Islands are the only cruising destinations near Ventura, however, so your range of choices is somewhat limited. Ventura and nearby Oxnard don't have anything like a serious airport, so you'd have to fly in and out via Los Angeles International (LAX). I believe there are feeder flights from LAX. Think about the Pacific Northwest - airline access through Seattle-Tacoma, and a vast and wonderful cruising ground in Puget Sound and the inland passage up the west coast of Canada to Alaska. A short sailing season, quite changeable weather, and water too cold to swim in are the only drawbacks I've found. The Seattle region or Vancouver, B.C., might be good locations, with excellent air service to both. Regards, Tom Dacon "just me" wrote in message news:T36Oc.207896$Oq2.118275@attbi_s52... I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---- |
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You won't find much of anything around San Diego to go to or explore. It's
kind of a wasteland for sailing. Wind's generally light, except just off the entrance where there's often a little headland effect. The Mexican port of Ensenada, Baja California, is a long day's motorsail south, with the small and barren Todos Santos Islands off Ensenada bay but nothing else to the south for a long way. Catalina Island (quite crowded during the summer) is a long day's motorsail north, and there's nothing in between those two destinations. All the California and Baja coast's a lee shore to the normal westerly winds, and is only sparsely populated with marinas. A slightly better choice in Southern California would be Ventura, about 75 miles north of Los Angeles. It has a nice small-town feel and is quite uncrowded compared to Los Angeles or San Diego. The northern Channel Islands, about 25 miles off the coast, are mostly uninhabited, and have quite a few nice anchorages that are pleasant and uncrowded, although sometimes untenable and dangerous during the fall Santana season. The Channel Islands are the only cruising destinations near Ventura, however, so your range of choices is somewhat limited. Ventura and nearby Oxnard don't have anything like a serious airport, so you'd have to fly in and out via Los Angeles International (LAX). I believe there are feeder flights from LAX. Think about the Pacific Northwest - airline access through Seattle-Tacoma, and a vast and wonderful cruising ground in Puget Sound and the inland passage up the west coast of Canada to Alaska. A short sailing season, quite changeable weather, and water too cold to swim in are the only drawbacks I've found. The Seattle region or Vancouver, B.C., might be good locations, with excellent air service to both. Regards, Tom Dacon "just me" wrote in message news:T36Oc.207896$Oq2.118275@attbi_s52... I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---- |
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"just me" wrote:
I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. The Florida east coast has very little sailing (IMHO) except Hawk Channel along the Florida Keys (where there's very little in the way of protected anchorages for a boat with any kind of draft to her, and on the other side it's very shallow and iffy - ditto on the draft), and in some sections of the Indian River. Possibly also the St. John's River (Jacksonville). Miami and the St. John's River and the St. Mary's River are Class A inlets. There are so many power boats.... The other problem is FL is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE. More expensive in the south than the north of course. If I were doing it, I'd pick North Carolina around Albemarle Sound or Pamlico Sound. I don't know about airline flights though. But best of all for sailing is the Chesapeake. Lots of places to go, visit and explore - enough for a lifetime. Baltimore has lots of flights and by more than one airline. It does have colder weather than Florida of course, but not much colder than NC, especially on the lower bay in Virginia. I guess in that case you'd want to come in to Norfolk. I've never done that so I don't know what airlines go there. grandma Rosalie |
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A very fine book on cruising California is Brian Fagan's "The Cruising Guide
to Central and Southern California." I highly recommend it. --Alan Gomes "just me" wrote in message news:T36Oc.207896$Oq2.118275@attbi_s52... I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---- |
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I think this depends on what kind of sailing you think you will do in the
future. If you would like to go island hopping than the East coast would be the choice but if you think you would like to do week-long or month-long cruises that bring you back to home port I think the PNW is the place to go. You can spend a lifetime exploring all the bays and inlets from Washington to Alaska. In Washington / southern BC I think the pleasant sailing season runs something like May to October. Lots of people sail right through winter as you can have some pretty mild weather. Last year I was sailing in January in shirt sleeves. The weather is changeable allright, and the forecasts don't seem to help that much, but that's just part of sailing. Water is cold for the most part but there are bays where it warms up. I've been told that the tidal streams cancel themselves out in the Desolation Sound area and this water becomes quite warm in the summer. Lastly, I don't think California is a go unless you want to do the Mexico tour one day. "just me" wrote in message news:T36Oc.207896$Oq2.118275@attbi_s52... I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---- |
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krj wrote:
A dock on the New River rents for $250-$300 per month. From my house to You must have a smaller boat with a shallower draft than we do and also smaller than what I think he is talking about. Friends of mine that live aboard on a 44 (which is really about 50 feet) had to go almost up to Lake Worth to find a marina that they could afford to live aboard. They were FROM Ft. Lauderdale, and could find no place in that area.. And ... this guy isn't going to be close enough to check on his boat. He's only going to be flying in every month or so. He will want to leave it somewhere that someone will be looking out for it if possible. Like during the hurricane season. That would be something that he could count on at our marina, or in Deltaville or places that people often leave boats in charge of marina personnel. I don't know how a person who rented a private dock could do that unless the owner was willing to do it for extra money. the Port Everglades inlet there are 5 bridges. Unless it is between 7:30-8:30am or 4:30-5:30pm, I call about a half mile from the bridge and usually it is open when I get there and I don't have to slow down, except for the 17th causeway bridge. It opens on the hour and half hour, so if your timing leaving is a little late you may have to wait. If your mast height is less than 55' you don't have to have an opening. It is true that for a mast height less than 55' you wouldn't have to open the 17th St bridge, and if you have a mast that short you probably could go all the way down to Miami inside. That doesn't address all the power boats though, and fishermen anchored offshore at night with no lights. We sail down to Miami, Biscayne Bay, Elliot Key, Pumpkin Key, Boca Chita Key. Lots of spots to anchor. We don't do marinas. Biscayne Bay and all the spots that you mention on the bay side are too shallow for us to get to. I don't know the draft of the Jeaneau, but we have a shoal draft at 5 feet, and I know won't risk it. And on the Hawk Channel side there are only about 3 places we can anchor - Marathon (Boot Key Harbor or near there), Newfound Harbor, and Key West. And possibly Indian Key (the one on the Hawk Channel side). And we can't normally get all the way to Marathon from Miami in one day. There's also only a couple of places we can get through from one side to the other. The $300 for the Bahamas is good for a year, or if you leave and come back to the states, a second entry if within 3 months. FLL to Bimini is Again - he's only going to be down at the boat for long weekends. He doesn't have time to wait for the weather. So he's not going to be there in the Bahamas for a year unless he leaves his boat over there, and commutes back and forth. 41 miles, FLL to West End, 68 mi. A 8-12 hr overnight trip. We have crossed the stream in almost all the months of the year. You just have to watch for the right weather window even in the summer. Yes I know all those mileages, and I agree - wait for the weather. But Bimini is shoaled again and you can't get in except at high tide. West End is (to my mind) horribly expensive and is also isolated, and ditto for Chub. Rosalie B. wrote: (anchorlt) wrote: Rosalie B. wrote in message . .. "just me" wrote: I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. The Florida east coast has very little sailing (IMHO) except Hawk Channel along the Florida Keys (where there's very little in the way of protected anchorages for a boat with any kind of draft to her, and on the other side it's very shallow and iffy - ditto on the draft), and in some sections of the Indian River. Possibly also the St. John's River (Jacksonville). Miami and the St. John's River and the St. Mary's River are Class A inlets. There are so many power boats.... South Florida is NOT expensive, unless one has only a few sheckles in pocket, and then anywhere is expensive. I live there. S FL has access South Florida is way more expensive to keep a boat at a marina than the Chesapeake or North Carolina. I have lived there, I have visited there, and my daughter lives there. I'm sorry to disagree, but I don't regard prices of $2.00/ft/day or $28 to $55/ft/month (plus tax, and liveaboard fee) as inexpensive. to Keys, Bahamas, Cuba (when embargo and Bush are gone), Turks & Caiacos, and all of Caribbean islands, east and west. Nowhere else in U.S. are there as many choices and good sailing waters and winds. The problem here is that all those places you mention except the Keys involve going to a foreign country. Thus NOT in the US. For the Bahamas, the 40' boat will pay $300 every 3 months to go to the Bahamas. Also the normal winds in the winter appear to be from the NE which makes it a problem to cross the Gulf Stream. Want flights? No more anywhere than into and out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. If "it" exists for a boat, any boat, and cannot be found easily and quickly in S FL, it does not exist anywhere. The disadvantage to Ft. Lauderdale for a sailboat is that there are too many bridges. And also too many power boats. This is not say there are not other great sailing areas, i.e., Chesapeake Bay, Long Island Sound and nearby, Maine and N, Gulf coast, far NW (Puget Sound and nearby) and some of Great Lakes (Ontario, Erie and Huron are, in my experience, the better ones). St. Johns River in N FL? You ain't goin' to do much sailing on this river, except in northern reaches, and their ain't much even there. I have motored all of navigable St. Johns River and very narrow channels and shoaling in mid and southern areas are all too common for sailing. I have not tried the St. John's River myself, but people have recommended the sailing there and in St. Augustine where they say they go out of the inlet and sail, and I do not think much of that inlet, especially in a contrary wind. The whole area from there north past Charleston has a great tidal range (for the south east coast) which makes shoaling a problem. Plus in Georgia one is not supposed to stay aboard more than 30 days a year. grandma Rosalie |
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We had a 45' Bruce Roberts, 6' 8" draft for several years. The River is
8' to 20' at low tide. My friend has a 42' Catalina, 5'5" draft at my neighbors dock. He pays $250/month. Across the canal is a 48' Ameil. Don't know the draft, but it must be 5-6 feet. The smallest lot with dock space is 65' wide, so with the city required easement of 5', it can accommodate a 55' boat. Kelton Rosalie B. wrote: krj wrote: A dock on the New River rents for $250-$300 per month. From my house to You must have a smaller boat with a shallower draft than we do and also smaller than what I think he is talking about. Friends of mine that live aboard on a 44 (which is really about 50 feet) had to go almost up to Lake Worth to find a marina that they could afford to live aboard. They were FROM Ft. Lauderdale, and could find no place in that area.. And ... this guy isn't going to be close enough to check on his boat. He's only going to be flying in every month or so. He will want to leave it somewhere that someone will be looking out for it if possible. Like during the hurricane season. That would be something that he could count on at our marina, or in Deltaville or places that people often leave boats in charge of marina personnel. I don't know how a person who rented a private dock could do that unless the owner was willing to do it for extra money. the Port Everglades inlet there are 5 bridges. Unless it is between 7:30-8:30am or 4:30-5:30pm, I call about a half mile from the bridge and usually it is open when I get there and I don't have to slow down, except for the 17th causeway bridge. It opens on the hour and half hour, so if your timing leaving is a little late you may have to wait. If your mast height is less than 55' you don't have to have an opening. It is true that for a mast height less than 55' you wouldn't have to open the 17th St bridge, and if you have a mast that short you probably could go all the way down to Miami inside. That doesn't address all the power boats though, and fishermen anchored offshore at night with no lights. We sail down to Miami, Biscayne Bay, Elliot Key, Pumpkin Key, Boca Chita Key. Lots of spots to anchor. We don't do marinas. Biscayne Bay and all the spots that you mention on the bay side are too shallow for us to get to. I don't know the draft of the Jeaneau, but we have a shoal draft at 5 feet, and I know won't risk it. And on the Hawk Channel side there are only about 3 places we can anchor - Marathon (Boot Key Harbor or near there), Newfound Harbor, and Key West. And possibly Indian Key (the one on the Hawk Channel side). And we can't normally get all the way to Marathon from Miami in one day. There's also only a couple of places we can get through from one side to the other. The $300 for the Bahamas is good for a year, or if you leave and come back to the states, a second entry if within 3 months. FLL to Bimini is Again - he's only going to be down at the boat for long weekends. He doesn't have time to wait for the weather. So he's not going to be there in the Bahamas for a year unless he leaves his boat over there, and commutes back and forth. 41 miles, FLL to West End, 68 mi. A 8-12 hr overnight trip. We have crossed the stream in almost all the months of the year. You just have to watch for the right weather window even in the summer. Yes I know all those mileages, and I agree - wait for the weather. But Bimini is shoaled again and you can't get in except at high tide. West End is (to my mind) horribly expensive and is also isolated, and ditto for Chub. Rosalie B. wrote: (anchorlt) wrote: Rosalie B. wrote in message . .. "just me" wrote: I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. The Florida east coast has very little sailing (IMHO) except Hawk Channel along the Florida Keys (where there's very little in the way of protected anchorages for a boat with any kind of draft to her, and on the other side it's very shallow and iffy - ditto on the draft), and in some sections of the Indian River. Possibly also the St. John's River (Jacksonville). Miami and the St. John's River and the St. Mary's River are Class A inlets. There are so many power boats.... South Florida is NOT expensive, unless one has only a few sheckles in pocket, and then anywhere is expensive. I live there. S FL has access South Florida is way more expensive to keep a boat at a marina than the Chesapeake or North Carolina. I have lived there, I have visited there, and my daughter lives there. I'm sorry to disagree, but I don't regard prices of $2.00/ft/day or $28 to $55/ft/month (plus tax, and liveaboard fee) as inexpensive. to Keys, Bahamas, Cuba (when embargo and Bush are gone), Turks & Caiacos, and all of Caribbean islands, east and west. Nowhere else in U.S. are there as many choices and good sailing waters and winds. The problem here is that all those places you mention except the Keys involve going to a foreign country. Thus NOT in the US. For the Bahamas, the 40' boat will pay $300 every 3 months to go to the Bahamas. Also the normal winds in the winter appear to be from the NE which makes it a problem to cross the Gulf Stream. Want flights? No more anywhere than into and out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. If "it" exists for a boat, any boat, and cannot be found easily and quickly in S FL, it does not exist anywhere. The disadvantage to Ft. Lauderdale for a sailboat is that there are too many bridges. And also too many power boats. This is not say there are not other great sailing areas, i.e., Chesapeake Bay, Long Island Sound and nearby, Maine and N, Gulf coast, far NW (Puget Sound and nearby) and some of Great Lakes (Ontario, Erie and Huron are, in my experience, the better ones). St. Johns River in N FL? You ain't goin' to do much sailing on this river, except in northern reaches, and their ain't much even there. I have motored all of navigable St. Johns River and very narrow channels and shoaling in mid and southern areas are all too common for sailing. I have not tried the St. John's River myself, but people have recommended the sailing there and in St. Augustine where they say they go out of the inlet and sail, and I do not think much of that inlet, especially in a contrary wind. The whole area from there north past Charleston has a great tidal range (for the south east coast) which makes shoaling a problem. Plus in Georgia one is not supposed to stay aboard more than 30 days a year. grandma Rosalie |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:20:22 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote: there are only about 3 places we can anchor - Marathon (Boot Key Harbor or near there) ================================== Are you able to carry a 5 ft draft through the bascule bridge at Boot Key Harbor and into the basin east of the bridge? The chart is a bit sketchy regarding depths in that area. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:20:22 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: there are only about 3 places we can anchor - Marathon (Boot Key Harbor or near there) ================================== Are you able to carry a 5 ft draft through the bascule bridge at Boot Key Harbor and into the basin east of the bridge? The chart is a bit sketchy regarding depths in that area. The Boot Key bridge entrance is deep enough, but there is an electric line over the entrance just past the bridge that would keep anyone with a tall mast from going in there. It's the Sister's Creek entrance that's iffy, although I have heard of someone with a 6 foot draft doing it at high tide. grandma Rosalie |
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Average waiting list for a slip in S. California 30' a year or more, 35' 3-5
years, 40' how many decades you have left? "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:07:04 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: The Boot Key bridge entrance is deep enough, but there is an electric line over the entrance just past the bridge that would keep anyone with a tall mast from going in there. It's the Sister's Creek entrance that's iffy, although I have heard of someone with a 6 foot draft doing it at high tide. ============================ Thanks. The mast on our new (to us) trawler tops out at just under 27 feet so should not be a problem :-) http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 We hope to be cruising down to the Keys by winter and living aboard by next summer. We'll look for you on the ICW. |
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Good going! I had zero luck and got on the list for Dana Point some years
ago. By the time I get there in two more years I'll have a slip. For my 33' LOA boat thatrequires a30' dock. Wait time damn near five years. Up in Washington wait time for some marinas but you can always get into something right away. Oregon there aregood deals in Coos Bay and Brookings not toobad in Newport and Astoria but then . . .it's a transit area at best on thewhole coast. So I'm going to kill time by trucking the boat from Seattle to Great Lakes, then go down the St. Lawrence, down the E. Coast with some ICW, have a choice of staying North or hiding outin Mobile for the storm season then the Caribbean on a circle ending up in Corpus Christi and truck back to the West coast. By then I'll have to sit out the Mexico storm season and that's what Dana's for. During sit outs I go back to work for a few months. For someone cruising the west coast going West on the Great Lakes and trucking to Vancouver or Seattle and then using that area to do a trip to Alaska and explore the PNW works well. Downthe coast going off shore a couple hundred unless you like surflining and harbor hopping and it's a lot of really great scenery but not a run for beginners. Choice then is out around the N. Pac high to Hawaii, down to Mexico and Central America with the flock or think about out of the Straits and due South, skip by Easter Island and curve SE to the Juan Fernandez Islands. Great cruising according to the two I know who did it and they were the only boats there (yachtie type). Venture on South around S. America or return N. to the de riguer Tahiti or back up to Hawaii and down the Line Islands for something different. There's lots of choices besides ho hum Mexico. . .course ifyou've never been done the block to the corner itwill be there. And for gosh sakes don't think about Oregon. Nice to pass through but economicallyit's a high tax appalachia west. you either work for the government, areon welfare or independently rich . . .or you leave. And then there's that coastal rain . . . . . M. Lots of adventures left . . . .. .think 'off freeway'. "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:MU9Pc.195592$%_6.170990@attbi_s01... Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) --Alan Gomes "Michael" wrote in message ... Average waiting list for a slip in S. California 30' a year or more, 35' 3-5 years, 40' how many decades you have left? "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:07:04 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: The Boot Key bridge entrance is deep enough, but there is an electric line over the entrance just past the bridge that would keep anyone with a tall mast from going in there. It's the Sister's Creek entrance that's iffy, although I have heard of someone with a 6 foot draft doing it at high tide. ============================ Thanks. The mast on our new (to us) trawler tops out at just under 27 feet so should not be a problem :-) http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 We hope to be cruising down to the Keys by winter and living aboard by next summer. We'll look for you on the ICW. |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:07:04 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote: The Boot Key bridge entrance is deep enough, but there is an electric line over the entrance just past the bridge that would keep anyone with a tall mast from going in there. It's the Sister's Creek entrance that's iffy, although I have heard of someone with a 6 foot draft doing it at high tide. ============================ Thanks. The mast on our new (to us) trawler tops out at just under 27 feet so should not be a problem :-) http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 We hope to be cruising down to the Keys by winter and living aboard by next summer. We'll look for you on the ICW. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:07:04 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: The Boot Key bridge entrance is deep enough, but there is an electric line over the entrance just past the bridge that would keep anyone with a tall mast from going in there. It's the Sister's Creek entrance that's iffy, although I have heard of someone with a 6 foot draft doing it at high tide. ============================ Thanks. The mast on our new (to us) trawler tops out at just under 27 feet so should not be a problem :-) http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 We hope to be cruising down to the Keys by winter and living aboard by next summer. We'll look for you on the ICW. Congratulations on your trawler These are some pictures and text - the first about Boot Key Harbor and then about things to watch out for, and the third about the various marinas in Marathon. http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/49b92/#TL http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/b9e2a/8/ http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ba68d/d/ Unfortunately, we will not be going south on the ICW this winter - we are putting the boat up and traveling by car. If you go to http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/48f2c/#TL and follow the links it will tell about the trip up from the Keys to the Chesapeake this past spring. Because it was so stressful, we aren't going to do it again. It isn't all finished - I've got some photos to post yet, but I think you can get the gist of it pretty well. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse
than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) --Alan Gomes "Michael" wrote in message ... Average waiting list for a slip in S. California 30' a year or more, 35' 3-5 years, 40' how many decades you have left? "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:07:04 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: The Boot Key bridge entrance is deep enough, but there is an electric line over the entrance just past the bridge that would keep anyone with a tall mast from going in there. It's the Sister's Creek entrance that's iffy, although I have heard of someone with a 6 foot draft doing it at high tide. ============================ Thanks. The mast on our new (to us) trawler tops out at just under 27 feet so should not be a problem :-) http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 We hope to be cruising down to the Keys by winter and living aboard by next summer. We'll look for you on the ICW. |
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I would either do the PNY or the Chesapeake Bay. You can spend a
lifetime on the Bay and never get to all the interesting anchorages. If you are willing to NOT be in Annapolis nearby marinas are reasonable. I pay $2600 a year for a slip about 45 feet long and 15 feet wide. I went to school in Florida and never thought much of the east coast of Florida for sailing. If you want to do Florida try the Fort Myers area. Keep in mind ANYPLACE north of Melbourne, Florida on the East Coast will have cold-or freezing days in the winter. Joe Coquina C&C 35 Kent Island, MAryland On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:28:36 GMT, "just me" wrote: I am planning to move my boat, a 40' Jeanneau, to the ocean (one of them) around the first of the year. I'm trying to decide where and which one. I plan to fly to the boat every month or so. I expect I'll spend anywhere from a long weekend to ten days or so. Eventually, I'll retire and spend longer times aboard. Once there, I would like to have places to go to, visit and explore. Choice A: San Diego area. Choice B: Atlantic side, Florida to North Carolina. Direct and numerous daily flights by more than one airline are important. Your thoughts, experiences and opinions are welcomed. |
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You're right - that's a nice little marina. Out on the outer row of slips,
the last time I was there a few years ago, was a little 27' wooden Gulfweed ketch named Nocturne, that was built around 1940 and has lived in that marina since at least the early 70's. I did some work on the boat for a previous owner back in those days. A sweet little boat, and a funky little marina. Does Bill Gribble still run the show there? Regards, Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:MU9Pc.195592$%_6.170990@attbi_s01... Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) |
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So's mine. Right next to PT Rigging undergoing a refit/upgrade. Which one
is yours? M. I'm up in the Pacific Northwest now, and my boat's in the Port Townsend marina. Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:mhkPc.76218$eM2.33654@attbi_s51... Tom, I think you have in mind the "old" Holiday Harbor (off Miner street, next to the old Fleitz Bros.). I believe the old Holiday is now called "Cabrillo Way Marina" and run by a different concern. The new Holiday Harbor is just to the northwest, off of 22nd street (a stone's throw from 22nd Street Landing). This is in the new (i.e., about 17 year old?) marina--*much* nicer. In fact, Bill Gribble is the marina manager there. Nice guy. I used to own a few different boats at the old Holiday Harbor in the 70s but the marina manager at that time was Leo Hutter, not Bill. I had not met Bill Gribble until I moved to my current slip in the new marina. "Hurricane Gulch" is still a fun place to sail, but commercial interests have encroached so much that there is much less open sailing area inside the harbor--too many obstructions. But it's still good sailing, lots of wind, and a terrific launching pad for Catalina. --Alan Gomes "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... You're right - that's a nice little marina. Out on the outer row of slips, the last time I was there a few years ago, was a little 27' wooden Gulfweed ketch named Nocturne, that was built around 1940 and has lived in that marina since at least the early 70's. I did some work on the boat for a previous owner back in those days. A sweet little boat, and a funky little marina. Does Bill Gribble still run the show there? Regards, Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:MU9Pc.195592$%_6.170990@attbi_s01... Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) |
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Tom,
I think you have in mind the "old" Holiday Harbor (off Miner street, next to the old Fleitz Bros.). I believe the old Holiday is now called "Cabrillo Way Marina" and run by a different concern. The new Holiday Harbor is just to the northwest, off of 22nd street (a stone's throw from 22nd Street Landing). This is in the new (i.e., about 17 year old?) marina--*much* nicer. In fact, Bill Gribble is the marina manager there. Nice guy. I used to own a few different boats at the old Holiday Harbor in the 70s but the marina manager at that time was Leo Hutter, not Bill. I had not met Bill Gribble until I moved to my current slip in the new marina. "Hurricane Gulch" is still a fun place to sail, but commercial interests have encroached so much that there is much less open sailing area inside the harbor--too many obstructions. But it's still good sailing, lots of wind, and a terrific launching pad for Catalina. --Alan Gomes "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... You're right - that's a nice little marina. Out on the outer row of slips, the last time I was there a few years ago, was a little 27' wooden Gulfweed ketch named Nocturne, that was built around 1940 and has lived in that marina since at least the early 70's. I did some work on the boat for a previous owner back in those days. A sweet little boat, and a funky little marina. Does Bill Gribble still run the show there? Regards, Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:MU9Pc.195592$%_6.170990@attbi_s01... Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:40:58 -0500, "Michael"
wrote: hiding outin Mobile for the storm season I did that in 2003 and had three tropical storms pass nearby in three weeks. Careful, Mobile Bay is very shallow and a tropical storm that makes landfall to the west will drive a pretty good storm surge up the bay. My boat was at Turner's and one storm put the water over the road and docks by about a foot. |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:29:14 -0400, Horace Brownbag
wrote: ...but the problem with the Ft. Myers area, for him, is the draft on his boat. He would be limited to channels and off shore. ========================================= It's not quite that bad but you do have to watch where you're going. This is one of the very best boating/cruising area in Florida in my opinion with both affordable dockage and affordable water front property available, not to mention some great cruising destinations within a day or two. |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:32:10 GMT, "just me"
wrote: For what it's worth, the draft is stated as 4'11". Of course with all the "stuff" I've added, it's probably more like 5'6" now! ================================================== ====== You'd be OK basing out of the Ft Myers/Cape Coral/Ft Myers Beach area. I just bought a trawler that draws a few inches over 5 ft. You do have to pay attention, and there are some places you can't go, but it's still a very desirable boating/cruising area. The Ft Myers airport has direct flights to many different cities and several different carriers. |
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Alan, the Holiday Harbor I remember was adjacent to San Pedro Boat Works,
all the way down at the end of Miner Street across the road from the coal terminal. In those days Watchorn Basin was pretty empty. Cabrillo Boatshop with its little marine railway was at the corner of 22nd and Miner. Cabrillo Boatshop is gone now, I think, and I've heard that San Pedro Boat Works has bitten the dust too. One of the best of the old-time boat yards. Times change... I'm up in the Pacific Northwest now, and my boat's in the Port Townsend marina. Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:mhkPc.76218$eM2.33654@attbi_s51... Tom, I think you have in mind the "old" Holiday Harbor (off Miner street, next to the old Fleitz Bros.). I believe the old Holiday is now called "Cabrillo Way Marina" and run by a different concern. The new Holiday Harbor is just to the northwest, off of 22nd street (a stone's throw from 22nd Street Landing). This is in the new (i.e., about 17 year old?) marina--*much* nicer. In fact, Bill Gribble is the marina manager there. Nice guy. I used to own a few different boats at the old Holiday Harbor in the 70s but the marina manager at that time was Leo Hutter, not Bill. I had not met Bill Gribble until I moved to my current slip in the new marina. "Hurricane Gulch" is still a fun place to sail, but commercial interests have encroached so much that there is much less open sailing area inside the harbor--too many obstructions. But it's still good sailing, lots of wind, and a terrific launching pad for Catalina. --Alan Gomes "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... You're right - that's a nice little marina. Out on the outer row of slips, the last time I was there a few years ago, was a little 27' wooden Gulfweed ketch named Nocturne, that was built around 1940 and has lived in that marina since at least the early 70's. I did some work on the boat for a previous owner back in those days. A sweet little boat, and a funky little marina. Does Bill Gribble still run the show there? Regards, Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:MU9Pc.195592$%_6.170990@attbi_s01... Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:57:13 GMT, "just me"
wrote: Other than Key West for long trips and Sanibel for shorter trips, where is there to go?? ================================================== ===== Ft Myers Beach (gulf side or bay side), Bonita Springs, Naples (Palm Beach of the west coast), Marco Island, Goodland (quaint fishing village), Everglades City (end of the world), Caloosahatchie River (AKA Okeechobee Waterway - 140 miles to east coast), Pine Island and Pine Island Sound (great fishing, and scenery), Captiva and North Captiva Islands (fantastic beaches, resorts and interesting restaurants), Cabbage Key (quaint - good restaurant), Useppa Island (resort - good anchorage), Cayo Costa, Gasparilla, Port Charlotte, Venice, Sarasota, Bradenton, St Pete/Tampa (120 miles), Cancun/Cozumel (400 miles), Bahamas (200 + miles), Cuba (200+ miles, politics permitting), Marathon, Deer Key, Islmorada, Key Largo, Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Boca Raton, Palm Beach, etc, etc, etc. Other than that, not much of any place. :-) |
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Look for Twin or Bilge Keels, your right about the slip number. Oops. Mine
should be the only one like that anywhere in the yard. She's undergoing a major refit and upgrade. M. "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... Hey, Michael - Mine's a 41' wooden sloop, a Laurent Giles design built in 1957. I'm not about to post my slip number on the world wide web, but I'm in the boat haven, on the same dock that has Sugar and Leslie's big Alden schooner Alcyone side-tied on the end. Bettina's about four boats down on the left side. Which one is your boat? Is it that long lean wooden one alongside the building that looks like an eight-meter or PCC or whatever? Tom "Michael" wrote in message ... So's mine. Right next to PT Rigging undergoing a refit/upgrade. Which one is yours? |
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Tom,
Yup, you're thinking of the old Holiday Harbor. Cabrillo Boat and Shelter Point both closed up shop around 1997, I believe. (Cabrillo Boat moved operations to Long Beach.) The buildings for San Pedro Boat Works are still standing but I presume they are not operational; I haven't checked. --Alan Gomes "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... Alan, the Holiday Harbor I remember was adjacent to San Pedro Boat Works, all the way down at the end of Miner Street across the road from the coal terminal. In those days Watchorn Basin was pretty empty. Cabrillo Boatshop with its little marine railway was at the corner of 22nd and Miner. Cabrillo Boatshop is gone now, I think, and I've heard that San Pedro Boat Works has bitten the dust too. One of the best of the old-time boat yards. Times change... I'm up in the Pacific Northwest now, and my boat's in the Port Townsend marina. Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:mhkPc.76218$eM2.33654@attbi_s51... Tom, I think you have in mind the "old" Holiday Harbor (off Miner street, next to the old Fleitz Bros.). I believe the old Holiday is now called "Cabrillo Way Marina" and run by a different concern. The new Holiday Harbor is just to the northwest, off of 22nd street (a stone's throw from 22nd Street Landing). This is in the new (i.e., about 17 year old?) marina--*much* nicer. In fact, Bill Gribble is the marina manager there. Nice guy. I used to own a few different boats at the old Holiday Harbor in the 70s but the marina manager at that time was Leo Hutter, not Bill. I had not met Bill Gribble until I moved to my current slip in the new marina. "Hurricane Gulch" is still a fun place to sail, but commercial interests have encroached so much that there is much less open sailing area inside the harbor--too many obstructions. But it's still good sailing, lots of wind, and a terrific launching pad for Catalina. --Alan Gomes "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... You're right - that's a nice little marina. Out on the outer row of slips, the last time I was there a few years ago, was a little 27' wooden Gulfweed ketch named Nocturne, that was built around 1940 and has lived in that marina since at least the early 70's. I did some work on the boat for a previous owner back in those days. A sweet little boat, and a funky little marina. Does Bill Gribble still run the show there? Regards, Tom Dacon "Alan Gomes" wrote in message news:MU9Pc.195592$%_6.170990@attbi_s01... Depends on the marina. This is true for Alamitos Bay (actually, it's worse than a year.) However, I got into Holiday Harbor in San Pedro after being on the list for only a month. (Nice marina, too.) |
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"Alan Gomes" writes: Boatshop is gone now, I think, and I've heard that San Pedro Boat Works has bitten the dust too. SFWIW, drove down Miner St last weekend. The boat shops are all gone. No updates have ever been made to any of the marinas. HTH -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:24:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:32:10 GMT, "just me" wrote: For what it's worth, the draft is stated as 4'11". Of course with all the "stuff" I've added, it's probably more like 5'6" now! ================================================= ======= You'd be OK basing out of the Ft Myers/Cape Coral/Ft Myers Beach area. I just bought a trawler that draws a few inches over 5 ft. You do have to pay attention, and there are some places you can't go, but it's still a very desirable boating/cruising area. The Ft Myers airport has direct flights to many different cities and several different carriers. Yeah, it's a little different, I thought the draft on a 40' Jeanneau was 7 feet. I'm out at Pine Island with a 4'6" draft, and I find the bottom now and again...7 foot would be a drag. ....but the area is nice...and 'reasonably' priced. |
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Lew,
Your right about the old marinas off of Miner. They were in disrepair when I was sailing around them as a kid! The old Fleitz was particularly bad. Several years back we got a bit of a storm and one of the gangways broke loose and floated away with a number of boats still tied to it! I suppose you could say those marinas do have "character"! :-) The new marina complex, just across the harbor from it (in Watchorn Basin), is in very good shape, though. I had my name in on a waiting list to move from there back to Alamitos Bay, but I like the marina there so much better that I've decided to stay. --Alan Gomes "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ink.net... "Alan Gomes" writes: Boatshop is gone now, I think, and I've heard that San Pedro Boat Works has bitten the dust too. SFWIW, drove down Miner St last weekend. The boat shops are all gone. No updates have ever been made to any of the marinas. HTH -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures |
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:19:50 -0400, Horace Brownbag
wrote: I'm out at Pine Island with a 4'6" draft, and I find the bottom now and again...7 foot would be a drag. ==================================== Sure would, there are spots in the ICW shoaled to less than 7 feet. Probably the biggest issue for a 40 ft sailboat in this area is the 53 ft clearance on the Cape Coral bridge. That's not necessarily a problem however unless you want to go to the east coast or cruise the river. |
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Hey, Michael -
Mine's a 41' wooden sloop, a Laurent Giles design built in 1957. I'm not about to post my slip number on the world wide web, but I'm in the boat haven, on the same dock that has Sugar and Leslie's big Alden schooner Alcyone side-tied on the end. Bettina's about four boats down on the left side. Which one is your boat? Is it that long lean wooden one alongside the building that looks like an eight-meter or PCC or whatever? Tom "Michael" wrote in message ... So's mine. Right next to PT Rigging undergoing a refit/upgrade. Which one is yours? |
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:37:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:19:50 -0400, Horace Brownbag wrote: I'm out at Pine Island with a 4'6" draft, and I find the bottom now and again...7 foot would be a drag. ==================================== Sure would, there are spots in the ICW shoaled to less than 7 feet. Probably the biggest issue for a 40 ft sailboat in this area is the 53 ft clearance on the Cape Coral bridge. That's not necessarily a problem however unless you want to go to the east coast or cruise the river. .....or the 48' railroad bridge at Port Mayaca...east side of Lake Okechobee. At 51', we heeled to go under.... |
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I think I saw your boat from Sims Way. Green hull? Around 30 feet?
Tom "Michael" wrote in message ... Look for Twin or Bilge Keels, your right about the slip number. Oops. Mine should be the only one like that anywhere in the yard. She's undergoing a major refit and upgrade. M. "Tom Dacon" wrote in message ... Hey, Michael - Mine's a 41' wooden sloop, a Laurent Giles design built in 1957. I'm not about to post my slip number on the world wide web, but I'm in the boat haven, on the same dock that has Sugar and Leslie's big Alden schooner Alcyone side-tied on the end. Bettina's about four boats down on the left side. Which one is your boat? Is it that long lean wooden one alongside the building that looks like an eight-meter or PCC or whatever? Tom "Michael" wrote in message ... So's mine. Right next to PT Rigging undergoing a refit/upgrade. Which one is yours? |
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