"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jun 20, 9:29 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
http://www.one-in-a-million-rescued.org/

Reach into your pocket, Joe, and donate generously to help defray the
great
cost the Coast Guard incurred because of the hasty and most likely
unnecessary air lift from 'Red Cloud'. Anybody else reading this who has
also suffered the indignity of a rescue at sea should also consider
supporting the brave rescuers. . .

:: Neal I pay taxes, I've been funding them all my life.

So what, Joe. Everybody else also does, too. What makes you think your taxes
are so special? I've paid taxes all my life and my life has been longer than
yours yet I have not caused expenses probably in the 250,000 dollar range
for the Coast Guard. The least you can do is to help defray the cost to all
taxpayers that your rescue cost all of us.

:: Plus I did not charge the USCG to use my vessel as a command post
:: during hurricane Alicia at the city docks in Houston.
:: Nor did I charge PHI when I rescued a down chopper with 6 passangers
:: in the Gulf that had only one pontoon inflate and capsized.
:: I also did not charge the USCG when they requested I tow a capsized
:: Sport fisher out of the Matagorda Jetties.
:: Did not charge Mobil when they had a poison gas leak and asked us to
:: shuttle them out to a production rig. Was working for Anadarko.
:: Never charge the many many mariners who I've towed to the docks,,off
:: the mud, or oyster reefs..ect..
:: One of my crew member served 4 years in the USCG and I served 4 in the
:: Navy

The cost of donating the services of your amateur little vessels comes
nowhere close to the cost of the Coast Guard assets used to rescue the crew
of the 'Red Cloud'. And you were paid by the taxpayer for you service in
the Navy. Same goes for the crew who served in the USCG. Acting like you are
entitled be paid again is kinda smarmy, IMO. Talk about the proverbial
'entitlement' mentality!

:: Every New Years day I bring enough coffee for every USCG member
:: stationed at Ellington Field to get his fill and more.
:: We also provide free coffee every day of the year at the Galveston
:: Seafarers Center for any working mariner who wants it.
:: Donated coffee for the Gala ball saluting the USCG this year. They
:: even had a special table named after the USCG Cutter Heron
:: that tried to assist us but had to turn back due to seas to big for
:: the 110 ft cutter, they only made it ten miles offshore before they
:: had to turn back.

All well and good but those rescue helicopters don't run on coffee grounds,
Joe. And the fuel that cutter used, even if it was so pitiful that it was
stopped by following ten-foot seas, (Good Grief!) probably cost the taxpayer
more than what "Red Cloud" was worth.

:: I'd rather chance getting rescued then spending my life on a chain
:: having to crap in a bucket. Sheeze you live on a dime store boat made
:: for day sailing at best.
:: The 13 years I sailed RedCloud I put more miles on her then you ever
:: have dreamed of sailing, including many offshore Regetta's.

Sailed? Yah right. That thing wouldn't sail. I bet the times were VERY few
where you sailed. Admit it, it was a motor sailor and, as such, the motor
was used the majority of the time. Had you been a sailor you would not have
tried to motor into the teeth of a strong cold front. You would have hove-to
and simply ridden it out for about ten hours. You had 2000 miles of sea room
downwind. Those Gulf cold fronts blow themselves out in about 18 hours and
the wind backs from out of the NW to the NE where you could have actually
sailed to port close-hauled. And offshore regattas mean nothing. Party time
is the usual attitude.

:: Would you like to touch on the subject of making money as a master
:: mariner? You did have a joke of a ticket once..right?
:: I made 100's and 100's of thousands of dollars over the years I worked
:: as Captain. How about you?

"Hundreds and hundreds" of thousands of dollars amounts to millions of
dollars, Joe. All the more reason to dip into your hoards and give
generously to reimburse the Coast Guard/taxpayer for pulling your fat out of
the fire. And all the more reason to disbelieve your claims that you're
having built a sail-powered coffee carrier. Why, a man of your wealth could
surely have had one built and paid for by now if you were actually sincere
in your inflated claims, don't you think?

:: So go **** yourself Nellie, you do not have the right to advise me on
:: donating anything.

Tut, tut! Temper, temper . . . Maybe I struck a nerve? Could it be you do
have some measure of remorse deep down for calling out rescue in somewhat
dubious circumstances, after all? Could it be you might think you should
shoulder a greater part of the cost to the taxpayer your rescue incurred?
Like I suggested - give generously. It's the manly thing to do. It does not
amount to an admission of failure but an would be an indication of a mature
and responsible individual of Christian upbringing.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Jun 21, 4:35*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jun 20, 9:29 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

http://www.one-in-a-million-rescued.org/

Reach into your pocket, Joe, and donate generously to help defray the
great
cost the Coast Guard incurred because of the hasty and most likely
unnecessary air lift from 'Red Cloud'. Anybody else reading this who has
also suffered the indignity of a rescue at sea should also consider
supporting the brave rescuers. . .

:: *Neal I pay taxes, I've been funding them all my life.

So what, Joe. Everybody else also does, too. What makes you think your taxes
are so special? I've paid taxes all my life and my life has been longer than
yours yet I have not caused expenses probably in the 250,000 dollar range
for the Coast Guard. The least you can do is to help defray the cost to all
taxpayers that your rescue cost all of us.

You pay taxes but steal batteries for your boat...yeah right.


:: Plus I did not charge the USCG to use my vessel as a command post
:: during hurricane Alicia at the city docks in Houston.
:: Nor did I charge PHI when I rescued a down chopper with 6 passangers
:: in the Gulf that had only one pontoon inflate and capsized.
:: I also did not charge the USCG when they requested I tow a capsized
:: Sport fisher out of the Matagorda Jetties.
:: Did not charge Mobil when they had a poison gas leak and asked us to
:: shuttle them out to a production rig. Was working for Anadarko.
:: Never charge the many many mariners who I've towed to the docks,,off
:: the mud, or oyster reefs..ect..
:: One of my crew member served 4 years in the USCG and I served 4 in the
:: Navy

The cost of donating the services of your amateur little vessels comes
nowhere close to the cost of the Coast Guard assets used to rescue the crew
of the 'Red Cloud'.

The boat was a 220 ft anchor handling vessel, It cost 3Xs more in
fuel per hour to run than your boat is worth.


*And you were paid by the taxpayer for you service in
the Navy. Same goes for the crew who served in the USCG. Acting like you are
entitled be paid again is kinda smarmy, IMO. Talk about the proverbial
'entitlement' mentality!


No one is entilted, but every real mariner expects to help others in
trouble above all other tasks at hand.
Most see it as a duty, and thats what the USCG's main purpose is.

:: Every New Years day I bring enough coffee for every USCG member
:: stationed at Ellington Field to get his fill and more.
:: We also provide free coffee every day of the year at the Galveston
:: Seafarers Center for any working mariner who wants it.
:: Donated coffee for the Gala ball saluting the USCG this year. They
:: even had a special table named after the USCG Cutter Heron
:: that tried to assist us but had to turn back due to seas to big for
:: the 110 ft cutter, they only made it ten miles offshore before they
:: had to turn back.

All well and good but those rescue helicopters don't run on coffee grounds,
Joe. And the fuel that cutter used, even if it was so pitiful that it was
stopped by following ten-foot seas, (Good Grief!) probably cost the taxpayer
more than what "Red Cloud" was worth.

Nah, a 110 footer most likely only burns 350 to 400 GPH at full speed
with a crew of 15.
Did you oull the 10ft following seas out your arse or what?

:: I'd rather chance getting rescued then spending my life on a chain
:: having to crap in a bucket. Sheeze you live on a dime store boat made
:: for day sailing at best.
:: The 13 years I sailed RedCloud I put more miles on her then you ever
:: have dreamed of sailing, including many offshore Regetta's.

Sailed? Yah right. That thing wouldn't sail. I bet the times were VERY few
where you sailed. Admit it, it was a motor sailor and, as such, the motor
was used the majority of the time. Had you been a sailor you would not have
tried to motor into the teeth of a strong cold front. You would have hove-to
and simply ridden it out for about ten hours. You had 2000 miles of sea room
downwind. Those Gulf cold fronts blow themselves out in about 18 hours and
the wind backs from out of the NW to the NE where you could have actually
sailed to port close-hauled. And offshore regattas mean nothing. Party time
is the usual attitude.

:: Would you like to touch on the subject of making money as a master
:: mariner? You did have a joke of a ticket once..right?
:: I made 100's and 100's of thousands of dollars over the years I worked
:: as Captain. How about you?

"Hundreds and hundreds" of thousands of dollars amounts to millions of
dollars, Joe. All the more reason to dip into your hoards and give
generously to reimburse the Coast Guard/taxpayer for pulling your fat out of
the fire. *And all the more reason to disbelieve your claims that you're
having built a sail-powered coffee carrier. Why, a man of your wealth could
surely have had one built and paid for by now if you were actually sincere
in your inflated claims, don't you think?

Over the years I made 100's of Ks, I spent it as fast as I made it
Nellie. How much did you say your earned as a Captian?
600K is alot to scrape up, but I'll get it done, and you will still be
living in the flop house on Cathrine street and pretending to be a
liveaboard on a bouy.


:: So go **** yourself Nellie, you do not have the right to advise me on
:: donating anything.

Tut, tut! Temper, temper . . . Maybe I struck a nerve? Could it be you do
have some measure of remorse deep down for calling out rescue in somewhat
dubious circumstances, after all? Could it be you might think you should
shoulder a greater part of the cost to the taxpayer your rescue incurred?
Like I suggested *- give generously. It's the manly thing to do. It does not
amount to an admission of failure but an would be an indication of a mature
and responsible individual of Christian upbringing.

Nah, I just think your opinion is not worthy of consideration and your
time would be better spent FN yourself.
You are not experienced enough to make a sound judgement call on
anything related to
sailing or boating in general.

Joe

Wilbur Hubbard