Flying Pig Float Plan
 

Flying Pig will be taking advantage of an unusually good window to
make our passage to Ft. Pierce, where we'll be on the hard for several
months during family business. You can follow our progress by
clicking tinyurl.com/flyingpigspot, which holds a week's worth of
locations at 10-minute intervals.

We'll initially be going NW from Raccoon Cay to avoid the Cochinas
Banks but staying south enough to avoid the Middle Ground shoals.

From there we'll go directly west over the Great Bahama Bank and pick
up the favorable current in the Hurricane Flats where we'll turn NW
again, riding it until the area near Orange Cay.

From there we'll choose the most favorable wind direction to pick up
the Gulf Stream. Current weather information suggests that it should
be both favorable winds and seas for our travels taking advantage of
the 3-knot-plus lift it can provide.

We'll turn out at Ft. Pierce, or Lake Worth if it's apparent we won't
get to FTP comfortably before dark, anticipated to be on Sunday
afternoon.

Those interested may also catch us before and after we speak with
Chris on 4045.0 SSB, USB at 6:30-7:30AM, other than Sunday, when he's
off.

Fair Winds to all our friends afloat; we'll see the shoreside folks
soon!

L8R

Skip
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The Society for the Preservation of Tithesis commends your ebriated
and scrutible use of delible and defatigable, which are gainly, sipid
and couth. We are gruntled and consolate that you have the ertia and
eptitude to choose such putably pensible tithesis, which we parage.

Stamp out Sesquipedalianism

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Flying Pig will be taking advantage of an unusually good window to
make our passage to Ft. Pierce, where we'll be on the hard for several
months during family business. You can follow our progress by
clicking tinyurl.com/flyingpigspot, which holds a week's worth of
locations at 10-minute intervals.

We'll initially be going NW from Raccoon Cay to avoid the Cochinas
Banks but staying south enough to avoid the Middle Ground shoals.

From there we'll go directly west over the Great Bahama Bank and pick
up the favorable current in the Hurricane Flats where we'll turn NW
again, riding it until the area near Orange Cay.

From there we'll choose the most favorable wind direction to pick up
the Gulf Stream. Current weather information suggests that it should
be both favorable winds and seas for our travels taking advantage of
the 3-knot-plus lift it can provide.

We'll turn out at Ft. Pierce, or Lake Worth if it's apparent we won't
get to FTP comfortably before dark, anticipated to be on Sunday
afternoon.

Those interested may also catch us before and after we speak with
Chris on 4045.0 SSB, USB at 6:30-7:30AM, other than Sunday, when he's
off.

Fair Winds to all our friends afloat; we'll see the shoreside folks
soon!


WOW! Flying Pig is really flying. He's already at the latitude of Miami out
about 30 miles in the axis of the Gulf Stream. I bet Skippy's hanging over
the rail puking his guts out. The wind is blowing out of the East at 20-25
knots and has been doing so for several days so the seas are likely quite
large. It's a good thing he's got Lydia to run the boat while he's
incapacitated. LOL!

--
Gregory Hall

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

Gee, fella. When you pick up a fair wind, you pick up a FAIR WIND.

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

Hi, folks,

As the spot page showed, we basically flew. Major seas made for lots of
motion, but not much bashing. Averaged right at 8 knots, helped immensely
by the clean bottom.

Passage reports after we get settled in. Nice to be back in internet land -
a boat just pulled in next to us after coming from St. Martin, taking much
the same route as we'd planned, but he got out later and his wind died at
the end.

Aside from the leg into Ft. Pierce, and a weird anomaly on Saturday noonish,
where the wind totally died and we got some light rain, we rarely saw less
than 20 knots. Single reef main, and genoa between full and about 70% all
the way, starboard tack until we turned in to Ft. Pierce.

Having the skyline disappear for seconds at a time was interesting from my
6'-above-water perch, and, with all the rock and roll in the early parts, an
extensive running of the fuel polisher pretty much guaranteed that we'd have
fresh fuel when we finally turned on the engine 2/3 of the way into the
channel. About 40 minutes of engine from anchor-hooked to anchor-hooked.
Nice trip, about 480 miles in 60 hours...

Anchored RIGHT out front of the USCG, we'll figure out where and how to
check in soon...

L8R

Skip and crew, thrilled with the trip

--
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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Flying Pig will be taking advantage of an unusually good window to
make our passage to Ft. Pierce, where we'll be on the hard for several
months during family business. You can follow our progress by
clicking tinyurl.com/flyingpigspot, which holds a week's worth of
locations at 10-minute intervals.

We'll initially be going NW from Raccoon Cay to avoid the Cochinas
Banks but staying south enough to avoid the Middle Ground shoals.

From there we'll go directly west over the Great Bahama Bank and pick
up the favorable current in the Hurricane Flats where we'll turn NW
again, riding it until the area near Orange Cay.

From there we'll choose the most favorable wind direction to pick up
the Gulf Stream. Current weather information suggests that it should
be both favorable winds and seas for our travels taking advantage of
the 3-knot-plus lift it can provide.

We'll turn out at Ft. Pierce, or Lake Worth if it's apparent we won't
get to FTP comfortably before dark, anticipated to be on Sunday
afternoon.

Those interested may also catch us before and after we speak with
Chris on 4045.0 SSB, USB at 6:30-7:30AM, other than Sunday, when he's
off.

Fair Winds to all our friends afloat; we'll see the shoreside folks
soon!

L8R

Skip
--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

The Society for the Preservation of Tithesis commends your ebriated
and scrutible use of delible and defatigable, which are gainly, sipid
and couth. We are gruntled and consolate that you have the ertia and
eptitude to choose such putably pensible tithesis, which we parage.

Stamp out Sesquipedalianism

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hi, folks,

As the spot page showed, we basically flew. Major seas made for lots of
motion, but not much bashing. Averaged right at 8 knots, helped immensely
by the clean bottom.

Passage reports after we get settled in. Nice to be back in internet
land - a boat just pulled in next to us after coming from St. Martin,
taking much the same route as we'd planned, but he got out later and his
wind died at the end.

Aside from the leg into Ft. Pierce, and a weird anomaly on Saturday
noonish, where the wind totally died and we got some light rain, we rarely
saw less than 20 knots. Single reef main, and genoa between full and
about 70% all the way, starboard tack until we turned in to Ft. Pierce.

Having the skyline disappear for seconds at a time was interesting from my
6'-above-water perch, and, with all the rock and roll in the early parts,
an extensive running of the fuel polisher pretty much guaranteed that we'd
have fresh fuel when we finally turned on the engine 2/3 of the way into
the channel. About 40 minutes of engine from anchor-hooked to
anchor-hooked. Nice trip, about 480 miles in 60 hours...

Anchored RIGHT out front of the USCG, we'll figure out where and how to
check in soon...

snippage

Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to the
inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg will do the
job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to
the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg will
do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Given that we averaged 8 knots, we were much more interested in comfortable
wind angles and speeds than shortest distance.

You could say the same thing about our orientation south of Andros - instead
of going up to Orange Cay, we went direct to the Gulf Stream, where we were
rarely under 10.5, and mostly 11 or better, including one stretch of 11.6.
As it was, we went further than we needed for the Gulf Stream vs going
straight north on 79-45 as Chris Parker recommended, chiefly for wind
angles. We were pinched a bit for most of the GS trip, but didn't want to
reef further, given that our heel stayed (rolls excepted) at ~15*, ideal for
our boat. Once we had the wind clocking just a bit, we headed a bit NE to
get the 79-45, and proceeded due N. Once past the curve of FL, we bore off
even more, keeping stuff in the 90* apparent range.

With 7-9 E seas plus NE swells, as well as a tidal help, pushing us north,
making it possible to turn more south to maintain our course due west, when
we turned the corner at the top, we were able to tack and keep it at
~120-150Port. Lots slower, of course, but still comfortable.

Hard to argue with success :{))

We've just been informed by the local sheriff that we need to move to let
the CG cutter have maneuvering room when they return, so we'll go up to
where we're being hauled, shortly...

L8R

Skip

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to
the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg will
do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Given that we averaged 8 knots, we were much more interested in comfortable
wind angles and speeds than shortest distance.

You could say the same thing about our orientation south of Andros - instead
of going up to Orange Cay, we went direct to the Gulf Stream, where we were
rarely under 10.5, and mostly 11 or better, including one stretch of 11.6.
As it was, we went further than we needed for the Gulf Stream vs going
straight north on 79-45 as Chris Parker recommended, chiefly for wind
angles. We were pinched a bit for most of the GS trip, but didn't want to
reef further, given that our heel stayed (rolls excepted) at ~15*, ideal for
our boat. Once we had the wind clocking just a bit, we headed a bit NE to
get the 79-45, and proceeded due N. Once past the curve of FL, we bore off
even more, keeping stuff in the 90* apparent range.

With 7-9 E seas plus NE swells, as well as a tidal help, pushing us north,
making it possible to turn more south to maintain our course due west, when
we turned the corner at the top, we were able to tack and keep it at
~120-150Port. Lots slower, of course, but still comfortable.

Hard to argue with success :{))

We've just been informed by the local sheriff that we need to move to let
the CG cutter have maneuvering room when they return, so we'll go up to
where we're being hauled, shortly...

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

Flying Pig! Really!

Skip and crew, thrilled with the trip

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to
the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg will
do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Duh! It's called tacking or maybe adjusting your course to accommodate sea
conditions. Easy for you to judge other's seamanship with your keel firmly
planted in the sand for months or years at a time. Eh Captain Neal. And lest
not forget you cannot go out of the transmitter range of your ankle
bracelet.

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Waldo" wrote in message
b.com...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to
the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg will
do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Duh! It's called tacking or maybe adjusting your course to accommodate sea
conditions. Easy for you to judge other's seamanship with your keel firmly
planted in the sand for months or years at a time. Eh Captain Neal. And
lest not forget you cannot go out of the transmitter range of your ankle
bracelet.



You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching while
headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would tend
to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant towards the
south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching winds
and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on the
starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press of
sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
"Waldo" wrote in message
b.com...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to
the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg
will do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Duh! It's called tacking or maybe adjusting your course to accommodate
sea conditions. Easy for you to judge other's seamanship with your keel
firmly planted in the sand for months or years at a time. Eh Captain
Neal. And lest not forget you cannot go out of the transmitter range of
your ankle bracelet.



You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


You're wasting your time trying to impress me with your knowledge of the
fine art of sailing.

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Waldo" wrote in message
eb.com...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
"Waldo" wrote in message
b.com...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over
to the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg
will do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Duh! It's called tacking or maybe adjusting your course to accommodate
sea conditions. Easy for you to judge other's seamanship with your keel
firmly planted in the sand for months or years at a time. Eh Captain
Neal. And lest not forget you cannot go out of the transmitter range of
your ankle bracelet.



You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.



You're wasting your time trying to impress me with your knowledge of the
fine art of sailing.


That's OK. I'm just biding my time, anyway, until my true love, Jessica B,
returns.


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:50:06 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Waldo" wrote in message
eb.com...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
Can't really figure out the reason for that 90 degree sharp turn. Duh!
Somebody tell Skippy that he'll arrive more quickly if he angles over to
the inlet. Pretty dumb traveling two legs of a triangle when one leg will
do the job faster and better.


Wilbur Hubbard


Duh! It's called tacking or maybe adjusting your course to accommodate sea
conditions. Easy for you to judge other's seamanship with your keel firmly
planted in the sand for months or years at a time. Eh Captain Neal. And
lest not forget you cannot go out of the transmitter range of your ankle
bracelet.



You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching while
headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would tend
to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant towards the
south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching winds
and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on the
starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press of
sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


Heh...

First, you're ALMOST right. The wind was from ~080-100T. You totally
neglected that forward motion doesn't move the apparent wind aft, it moves
it forward. When you're doing 10 knots in still air, you get 10 knots of
wind on your nose, e.g. When there's 20 or so coming from the side, that
makes for 25 or so from forward of the true wind at 10+ knots of boat speed.
That's why, if you look at our track we were slightly west of north COG, in
order to minimize the forward angle of the apparent wind

Second, you're also ALMOST right. The stream (or, maybe, and/or tide, as
the NOAA folks said the west wall was 19 miles offshore, more than we were
at the time) motion at the time made it necessary for me to turn south in
order to keep the COG due west, as it wanted to push the boat north. So,
while the boat's moving north in a dead downwind COG mode, it creates the
effect of bringing the wind forward from the stern, and thus my apparent
wind at 120-150 port...

L8R

Skip and crew, enjoying the loudspeaker antics of the USCG training station
in Ft. Pierce

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:15:39 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

You could say the same thing about our orientation south of Andros - instead
of going up to Orange Cay, we went direct to the Gulf Stream

I have looked at that route south of Andros a number of times as a
possible shortcut between the FL Keys and the Turks and Caicos. How
were the sea conditions going over the banks down there, and did you
notice any current?

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:18:56 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
tanews.com...

You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


Heh...

First, you're ALMOST right. The wind was from ~080-100T. You totally
neglected that forward motion doesn't move the apparent wind aft, it moves
it forward. When you're doing 10 knots in still air, you get 10 knots of
wind on your nose, e.g. When there's 20 or so coming from the side, that
makes for 25 or so from forward of the true wind at 10+ knots of boat speed.
That's why, if you look at our track we were slightly west of north COG, in
order to minimize the forward angle of the apparent wind

Second, you're also ALMOST right. The stream (or, maybe, and/or tide, as
the NOAA folks said the west wall was 19 miles offshore, more than we were
at the time) motion at the time made it necessary for me to turn south in
order to keep the COG due west, as it wanted to push the boat north. So,
while the boat's moving north in a dead downwind COG mode, it creates the
effect of bringing the wind forward from the stern, and thus my apparent
wind at 120-150 port...

L8R

Skip and crew, enjoying the loudspeaker antics of the USCG training station
in Ft. Pierce


And once again the Wily Wilbur is proved wrong... "-)

I've told that boy over and over, "don't open your mouth and let all
that stupidness leak out. Just keep your mouth shut and you'll fool
all them folks into thinking that you are as smart as they are."

Cheers,

Bruce

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:15:39 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

You could say the same thing about our orientation south of Andros -
instead
of going up to Orange Cay, we went direct to the Gulf Stream

I have looked at that route south of Andros a number of times as a
possible shortcut between the FL Keys and the Turks and Caicos. How
were the sea conditions going over the banks down there, and did you
notice any current?


Hi, Wayne,

Yes, there is about a 1-knot current in our favor, exactly on the route we
took (well, the NW part - the due west part had none), as shown on P8 of the
Explorer chart of the area. Seas were similar to the gulf stream, which is
to say, in that area, about 5-7. Recall that the wind had been blowing for
days, however, and also that they were beamish, so we weren't bashing.

If you're going from the Keys, and off to T&C, which is more southerly than
where we started (unless you wanted to stop in the Raggeds, a great idea,
however, I'd not go that far up, but instead go straight over Cuba. I did a
routing for a friend who went to the DR from St. Pete; it went under all
that, if I recall correctly. I MAY be able to find it in my old sent files,
and if so, I'll put it up for you. It worked great for him...

Hmmm... Thinking about it, I'm not sure any more about that - maybe it WAS
along the route we took. In any case, the banks, aside from the choke
between the Cochinas and Middle Ground, wsa a no-brainer. If you were going
to bypass the Raggeds, you could get under the Cochinas, and probably or
perhaps also miss Cay Sal...

I'm hopeful to get out the passage log sometime really soon, because once we
hit the yard, I'll be banished from the computer :{/)

L8R

Skip

--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
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"Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so
much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in
boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's
the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get
anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and
you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


Heh...

First, you're ALMOST right. The wind was from ~080-100T.

Well, if that isn't a wind from the east then I'm the boogey man.

You totally neglected that forward motion doesn't move the apparent wind
aft, it moves it forward.

If you have a 20 knot wind out of the east and you are proceeding north and
you are making ten knots towards the north then you will have an apparent
wind of 45 degrees. I said nothing about the apparent wind going aft. I did
say you were on a reach. 45 degrees is defined as a 'close reach' the last
time I looked.

When you're doing 10 knots in still air, you get 10 knots of wind on your
nose, e.g. When there's 20 or so coming from the side, that makes for 25
or so from forward of the true wind at 10+ knots of boat speed. That's
why, if you look at our track we were slightly west of north COG, in order
to minimize the forward angle of the apparent wind

I explained it above more competently and less lubberly than you just did.
The course I saw from a little south of Biscayne Bay on up towards Ft.
Lauderdale appeared to me to be due north.

Second, you're also ALMOST right. The stream (or, maybe, and/or tide, as
the NOAA folks said the west wall was 19 miles offshore, more than we were
at the time)

Wrong! I can measure miles off on the Google map displayed and you were
right in the Stream. You had a northerly set of at least 3 knots and you
don't get that unless you are experiencing the Gulf Stream current. Those
'wall' predictions are often wildly inaccurate. The wall is not a static
entity - it shifts to and frow quite quickly at times and it develops eddies
and loops.

motion at the time made it necessary for me to turn south in order to keep
the COG due west,


Well, duh! As I said you were experiencing about a three-knot northly set
because of the Gulf Stream current. Of course you would have to fudge some
southerly direction in there in order make progress due west. That's all the
more of a display of stupidity to make a 90 degree turn when you should have
angled over to the inlet and saved yourself time, distance and embarrassment
from those of who know how to plot a course when a current is involved.

as it wanted to push the boat north. So, while the boat's moving north in
a dead downwind COG mode, it creates the effect of bringing the wind
forward from the stern, and thus my apparent wind at 120-150 port...

Wrong. When you are going due west in a wind from the east you will
experience an apparent wind directly from astern. If you have to crab
somewhat south to offset the northerly set then the apparent wind will be
off the port quarter, just like I said.



Gott im Himmel! I wasn't even out there and I know what was happening better
than you do. You should be ashamed of yourself, d00d!


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
snip


And once again the Wily Wilbur is proved wrong... "-)


No comments from the Peanut Gallery, please. . .


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,

Bruce

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

rOn Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:58:47 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


Heh...

First, you're ALMOST right. The wind was from ~080-100T.

Well, if that isn't a wind from the east then I'm the boogey man.

You totally neglected that forward motion doesn't move the apparent wind
aft, it moves it forward.

If you have a 20 knot wind out of the east and you are proceeding north and
you are making ten knots towards the north then you will have an apparent
wind of 45 degrees. I said nothing about the apparent wind going aft. I did
say you were on a reach. 45 degrees is defined as a 'close reach' the last
time I looked.

When you're doing 10 knots in still air, you get 10 knots of wind on your
nose, e.g. When there's 20 or so coming from the side, that makes for 25
or so from forward of the true wind at 10+ knots of boat speed. That's
why, if you look at our track we were slightly west of north COG, in order
to minimize the forward angle of the apparent wind

I explained it above more competently and less lubberly than you just did.
The course I saw from a little south of Biscayne Bay on up towards Ft.
Lauderdale appeared to me to be due north.

Second, you're also ALMOST right. The stream (or, maybe, and/or tide, as
the NOAA folks said the west wall was 19 miles offshore, more than we were
at the time)

Wrong! I can measure miles off on the Google map displayed and you were
right in the Stream. You had a northerly set of at least 3 knots and you
don't get that unless you are experiencing the Gulf Stream current. Those
'wall' predictions are often wildly inaccurate. The wall is not a static
entity - it shifts to and frow quite quickly at times and it develops eddies
and loops.

motion at the time made it necessary for me to turn south in order to keep
the COG due west,


Well, duh! As I said you were experiencing about a three-knot northly set
because of the Gulf Stream current. Of course you would have to fudge some
southerly direction in there in order make progress due west. That's all the
more of a display of stupidity to make a 90 degree turn when you should have
angled over to the inlet and saved yourself time, distance and embarrassment
from those of who know how to plot a course when a current is involved.

as it wanted to push the boat north. So, while the boat's moving north in
a dead downwind COG mode, it creates the effect of bringing the wind
forward from the stern, and thus my apparent wind at 120-150 port...

Wrong. When you are going due west in a wind from the east you will
experience an apparent wind directly from astern. If you have to crab
somewhat south to offset the northerly set then the apparent wind will be
off the port quarter, just like I said.



Gott im Himmel! I wasn't even out there and I know what was happening better
than you do. You should be ashamed of yourself, d00d!


Wilbur Hubbard

Exactly, Willie-boy. You weren't there, but you think you know what
you are talking about......

As someone said, a spoon does not know the taste of soup, nor a
learned fool the taste of wisdom. ...

Cheers,

Bruce

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#


Wilbur Hubbard


You must be joking. You reference a film showing a forward view from a
boat sailing somewhere. No reference, no views of the Captain, no view
of the crew. The most exciting thing that happened was the jib
backwinding for a moment.

And then you claim that this is proof that you went sailing?

To coin a phrase... Bull****!

Willie, your certainly are pilling it higher and wider.
Cheers,

Bruce

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become
aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#


Wilbur Hubbard


We could do without the sound track comment regarding your sexual
prowess.

She sounded surprised.


LOL! Now, that's funny!


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become
aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#



You must be joking. You reference a film showing a forward view from a
boat sailing somewhere. No reference, no views of the Captain, no view
of the crew. The most exciting thing that happened was the jib
backwinding for a moment.

"Cut the Mustard" sails in the Gulf Stream is the name of it and you can't
figure out what that means? Duh. You aren't any too bright, Bruce. Didn't
you note the color of the water? That's Gulf Stream color, boy!

And then you claim that this is proof that you went sailing?

If you can't believe your very own eyes and ears then there's no hope for
you.


Wilbur Hubbard

Flying Pig Float Plan
 

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:53:22 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
om...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become
aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#



You must be joking. You reference a film showing a forward view from a
boat sailing somewhere. No reference, no views of the Captain, no view
of the crew. The most exciting thing that happened was the jib
backwinding for a moment.

"Cut the Mustard" sails in the Gulf Stream is the name of it and you can't
figure out what that means? Duh. You aren't any too bright, Bruce. Didn't
you note the color of the water? That's Gulf Stream color, boy!

And then you claim that this is proof that you went sailing?

If you can't believe your very own eyes and ears then there's no hope for
you.


Wilbur Hubbard

Willie, this is just like all the rest of your claims. You claim it is
Cuts the Mustard but don't show the name of the boat; you claim you
were aboard the boat but no picture or other evidence that you were;
you claim that you were in the Gulf Stream because of the color of the
water, but I've seen water like that all over the world.

Your vidio proof is just like all the rest of your claims - Bull****.

To use a phrase commonly used all over the Orient when discussing
people like you, "willie the Bull**** Boy".


Cheers,

Bruce