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This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Wilbur Hubbard Not a problem, Will. With all the sharks migrating through your area who would want to float for long anyway??? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:11:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Wilbur Hubbard Yes, there speaks the voice of experience .... sitting in the armchair reading a book. Willie, you will never have to wear a life jacket. Anchored there in the bay the only thing you have to worry about is a loud band playing on the shore. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:59:06 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: Wilbur Hubbard wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Wilbur Hubbard Not a problem, Will. With all the sharks migrating through your area who would want to float for long anyway??? Willie-boy doesn't have to worry about sharks. They don't like bull****. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Feb 19, 7:35*pm, Mark Borgerson wrote:
In article s.com, says... This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. Here again Jessibur shows his lack of understaning of the most fundamental maritime concepts. There is a difference betwen UNDERWAY and MAKING WAY. Test question 1: what conditions suggests a vessel underway and not making way? What COLREGS cover a vessel UNDERWAY and not making way? That would seem nonsensical in at least one way: *If the boat isn't underway, you wouldn't have to wear the jacket, *but stepping from your boat to your dinghy while at anchor might be when a PFD is most needed. absotlty agred This comes under the heading of personell transfers. The next question to ask, is when does a vessel transition from "boat" to "ship". * If there is no difference, *I can see a big opportunity in stylish flotation gear for the cruise ship industry! * ;-) USCG does not make a distinction between boat or ship. However there are several conditions the uscg uses to regulate vessel operation: 1) area of operation,,, Ocean Near Coast Inland 2) size??? Gross Registerd Tons and/or Length. 3) Type of servise as in Coast Wise (fishing-cargo-passanger) Oil and Mineral (OSV/DSV/etc)Then you have different sub catigories of those ie Chapter T Passenger Vessels. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. Jessibur how do swallow the fact you hae to register your boat and GOD FORBID not shhit in the bay or dump your oil in the water either? That mut be a TERRIBLE infrigment of your personal freedoms ! ! ! You see... Republicans are nothing more than SPOILED CHILDREN.. Its all, WAAAA WAAAA me me me dont tell me what to do ITS MY BOAT wa wa waaaa. The most effective way to get people to wear PFDs might be a simple regulation that if you get rescued and aren't wearing one, *you pay all the costs of the rescue. THis is a very good idea....! I think... hum ill have to think more about the imlications. bob |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... On Feb 19, 7:35 pm, Mark Borgerson wrote: In article s.com, says... This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. ::Here again Jessibur shows his lack of understaning of the most ::fundamental maritime concepts. ::There is a difference betwen UNDERWAY and MAKING WAY. Test question 1: ::what conditions suggests a vessel underway and not making way? What ::COLREGS cover a vessel UNDERWAY and not making way? Who said anything about making way? I typed 'underway' for a reason. Underway also includes underway but not making way. You are the one displaying your lack of understanding, not me. For, example, a vessel anchored or made fast to a dock is not underway. That would seem nonsensical in at least one way: If the boat isn't underway, you wouldn't have to wear the jacket, but stepping from your boat to your dinghy while at anchor might be when a PFD is most needed. :: absotlty agred This comes under the heading of personell transfers. Moron - personnel transfer rules don't apply to recreational vessels. The next question to ask, is when does a vessel transition from "boat" to "ship". If there is no difference, I can see a big opportunity in stylish flotation gear for the cruise ship industry! ;-) ::USCG does not make a distinction between boat or ship. However there ::are several conditions the uscg uses to regulate vessel operation: ::1) area of operation,,, Ocean Near Coast Inland ::2) size??? Gross Registerd Tons and/or Length. ::3) Type of servise as in Coast Wise (fishing-cargo-passanger) Oil and ::Mineral (OSV/DSV/etc)Then you have different sub catigories of those ::ie Chapter T Passenger Vessels. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. ::Jessibur how do swallow the fact you ha(v)e to register your boat and GOD ::FORBID not shhit (sic) in the bay or dump your oil in the water either? That ::mu(s)t be a TERRIBLE infrigment of your personal freedoms ! ! ! It is, indeed. Only a communist or a liberal would abide them happily. :: You see... Republicans are nothing more than SPOILED CHILDREN.. Its ::all, WAAAA WAAAA me me me dont tell me what to do ITS MY BOAT wa wa :: waaaa. Republicans are but *******ized Democrats in that Republicans also sell their souls. I am a conservative which means I believe wholeheartedly in the Constitution and the rights it confers upon citizens. I say to hell with ALL those who would water down or otherwise compromise our God-given rights. The most effective way to get people to wear PFDs might be a simple regulation that if you get rescued and aren't wearing one, you pay all the costs of the rescue. ::THis is a very good idea....! I think... hum ill have to think more :: about the imlications. It is, indeed, a good idea. It puts wearing life jackets where it belongs - in the realm of a personal choice. Allowing any government to legislate personal choice is not a good idea and always results in infringement upon personal rights and freedoms. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Feb 21, 8:59*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... On Feb 19, 7:35 pm, Mark Borgerson wrote: In article s.com, says... This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. ::Here again Jessibur shows his lack of understaning of the most ::fundamental maritime concepts. ::There is a difference betwen UNDERWAY and MAKING WAY. Test question 1: ::what conditions suggests a vessel underway and not making way? What ::COLREGS cover a vessel UNDERWAY *and not making way? Who said anything about making way? I typed 'underway' for a reason. Underway also includes underway but not making way. You are the one displaying your lack of understanding, not me. For, example, a vessel anchored or made fast to a dock is not underway. That would seem nonsensical in at least one way: If the boat isn't underway, you wouldn't have to wear the jacket, but stepping from your boat to your dinghy while at anchor might be when a PFD is most needed. :: absotlty agred This comes under the heading of personell transfers. Moron - personnel transfer rules don't apply to recreational vessels. The next question to ask, is when does a vessel transition from "boat" to "ship". If there is no difference, I can see a big opportunity in stylish flotation gear for the cruise ship industry! ;-) ::USCG does not make a distinction between boat or ship. However there ::are several conditions the uscg uses to regulate vessel operation: ::1) area of operation,,, Ocean Near Coast Inland ::2) size??? Gross Registerd Tons and/or Length. ::3) Type of servise as in Coast Wise (fishing-cargo-passanger) Oil and ::Mineral (OSV/DSV/etc)Then you have different sub catigories of those ::ie Chapter T Passenger Vessels. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. ::Jessibur how do swallow the fact you ha(v)e to register your boat and GOD ::FORBID not shhit (sic) in the bay or dump your oil in the water either? That ::mu(s)t be a TERRIBLE infrigment of your personal freedoms ! ! ! It is, indeed. Only a communist or a liberal would abide them happily. :: You see... Republicans are nothing more than SPOILED CHILDREN.. Its ::all, WAAAA WAAAA me me me dont tell me what to do ITS MY BOAT wa wa :: waaaa. Republicans are but *******ized Democrats in that Republicans also sell their souls. I am a conservative which means I believe wholeheartedly in the Constitution and the rights it confers upon citizens. I say to hell with ALL those who would water down or otherwise compromise our God-given rights. The most effective way to get people to wear PFDs might be a simple regulation that if you get rescued and aren't wearing one, you pay all the costs of the rescue. ::THis is a very good idea....! I think... hum ill have to think more :: about the imlications. It is, indeed, a good idea. It puts wearing life jackets where it belongs - in the realm of a personal choice. Allowing any government to legislate personal choice is not a good idea and always results in infringement upon personal rights and freedoms. Wilbur Hubbard Wilbr Hubbard, Aka Crap'n Neil, aka Ellen McCahrthur, etc's not wearing a life jacket problem is the type of problem that eventually solves itself. I maintain he is doing us all a favor and hope he continues not wearing one. Of course when his boat never ventures beyond 4' depths, he mostly does not need a pfd. |
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On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid. Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid. Stephen Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal, big brother indoctrination you so proudly display. 1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit yourself! Nobody's going to stop you. 2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around? WAKE THE **** UP!!! That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny. You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the rest of alone. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:26:10 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid. Stephen Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal, big brother indoctrination you so proudly display. 1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit yourself! Nobody's going to stop you. 2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around? WAKE THE **** UP!!! That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny. You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the rest of alone. Wilbur Hubbard I must say, I for one agree with you in main. Thank you. |
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"Boating All Out" wrote in message
... In article s.com, llid says... "WaIIy" wrote in message I must say, I for one agree with you in main. Thank you. Hope you learned something. Just go all rattled-brained like Rush, and you'll find a Wally to kiss your ass. Probably your only option too. Unfortunately, WaIIy is probably one of only a few, right-thinking individuals since conservative JessicaB seems to have allowed her hormones to get the best of her and has run off with the gas can guy. :-( Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2/21/2011 3:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Boating All wrote in message ... In . octanews.com, llid says... wrote in message I must say, I for one agree with you in main. Thank you. Hope you learned something. Just go all rattled-brained like Rush, and you'll find a Wally to kiss your ass. Probably your only option too. Unfortunately, WaIIy is probably one of only a few, right-thinking individuals since conservative JessicaB seems to have allowed her hormones to get the best of her and has run off with the gas can guy. :-( Wilbur Hubbard She's not too far away. I doubt if you could find her though. |
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"HarryK" wrote in message
... On 2/21/2011 3:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Boating All wrote in message ... In . octanews.com, llid says... wrote in message I must say, I for one agree with you in main. Thank you. Hope you learned something. Just go all rattled-brained like Rush, and you'll find a Wally to kiss your ass. Probably your only option too. Unfortunately, WaIIy is probably one of only a few, right-thinking individuals since conservative JessicaB seems to have allowed her hormones to get the best of her and has run off with the gas can guy. :-( Wilbur Hubbard She's not too far away. I doubt if you could find her though. Don't tell me she's over there on rec.boat! What a waste. Well, I don't care any more. I'm totally over her. She's but a flirtatious wench anyhow. -- Gregory Hall |
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On 2/21/2011 3:51 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... On 2/21/2011 3:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Boating All wrote in message ... In . octanews.com, llid says... wrote in message I must say, I for one agree with you in main. Thank you. Hope you learned something. Just go all rattled-brained like Rush, and you'll find a Wally to kiss your ass. Probably your only option too. Unfortunately, WaIIy is probably one of only a few, right-thinking individuals since conservative JessicaB seems to have allowed her hormones to get the best of her and has run off with the gas can guy. :-( Wilbur Hubbard She's not too far away. I doubt if you could find her though. Don't tell me she's over there on rec.boat! What a waste. Well, I don't care any more. I'm totally over her. She's but a flirtatious wench anyhow. Sorry she broke your heart, but we warned you. Where she is now she is an obnoxious, liberal, know it all. |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:18:21 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
Unfortunately, WaIIy is probably one of only a few, right-thinking individuals since conservative JessicaB seems to have allowed her hormones to get the best of her and has run off with the gas can guy. :-( Wilbur Hubbard Maybe he had a big spout. Or was fishing with a bigger pole... (One of the funnier lines from "The Perfect Storm") |
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On 2/21/2011 10:26 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message ... On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid. Stephen Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal, big brother indoctrination you so proudly display. 1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit yourself! Nobody's going to stop you. 2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around? WAKE THE **** UP!!! That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny. You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the rest of alone. Wilbur Hubbard Now you are disagreeing with what you said above: And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. One Wilbur says wear them if you want. Another Wilbur says if you wear them all the time as a general practice, you are encouraging Big Brother. One or both Wilburs need to either get together or get off the sauce. Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... On 2/21/2011 10:26 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Stephen wrote in message ... On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid. Stephen Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal, big brother indoctrination you so proudly display. 1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit yourself! Nobody's going to stop you. 2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around? WAKE THE **** UP!!! That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny. You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the rest of alone. Wilbur Hubbard Now you are disagreeing with what you said above: And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. One Wilbur says wear them if you want. Another Wilbur says if you wear them all the time as a general practice, you are encouraging Big Brother. One or both Wilburs need to either get together or get off the sauce. Stephen Wrong! If you would treat with me you would be well-advised to become more literate. In your scrawl, you seem to have conviently overlooked the preamble to my statement which is "those of you who post. . ." In other words publicize. I have no problem with people wearing life jackets out of personal choice as long as they just do so and then stfu about it. What I DO have a problem with is people publicizing their wearing habits with the intent to get legislation passed that forces everybody to do so. If you are not able to ascertain the difference between your attempt at a blanket statement and my very specific statement then you should use less insolence when treating with your betters. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:18 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote: In article s.com, says... This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. That would seem nonsensical in at least one way: If the boat isn't underway, you wouldn't have to wear the jacket, but stepping from your boat to your dinghy while at anchor might be when a PFD is most needed. Ah, well, government regulations don't always make sense. (Sometimes they do, though---like driving on the right side of the road.) The next question to ask, is when does a vessel transition from "boat" to "ship". If there is no difference, I can see a big opportunity in stylish flotation gear for the cruise ship industry! ;-) And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. The most effective way to get people to wear PFDs might be a simple regulation that if you get rescued and aren't wearing one, you pay all the costs of the rescue. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Mark Borgerson Hey, that seems reasonable to me! It gives you a choice. If you aren't worried about it, then you do nothing. If you are worried, you wear them. |
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On 2/22/2011 1:10 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message ... On 2/21/2011 10:26 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Stephen wrote in message ... On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid. Stephen Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal, big brother indoctrination you so proudly display. 1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit yourself! Nobody's going to stop you. 2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around? WAKE THE **** UP!!! That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny. You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the rest of alone. Wilbur Hubbard Now you are disagreeing with what you said above: And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. One Wilbur says wear them if you want. Another Wilbur says if you wear them all the time as a general practice, you are encouraging Big Brother. One or both Wilburs need to either get together or get off the sauce. Stephen Wrong! If you would treat with me you would be well-advised to become more literate. In your scrawl, you seem to have conviently overlooked the preamble to my statement which is "those of you who post. . ." In other words publicize. I have no problem with people wearing life jackets out of personal choice as long as they just do so and then stfu about it. What I DO have a problem with is people publicizing their wearing habits with the intent to get legislation passed that forces everybody to do so. You should say what you mean then. Don't expect people to be able to read your mind. You never said "..with the intent to..." If you are not able to ascertain the difference between your attempt at a blanket statement and my very specific statement then you should use less insolence when treating with your betters. You are saying this into a mirror, right? If not, you should. It's perfect. Stephen |
Mandatory Life Jackets.
No, Bob
Once again, you are wrong. It isn't the republicans who are to blame for this economic situation, nore the conservatives in Canada. It is you civil servants, teachers, union greed and the likes. Just because the Republicans or Conservatives point out how fiscally or prudently irresponsible your demands (by guns to the heads) are, doesn't mean they are your enemy. Try asking yourself how a country can pay for your greed. "Bob" wrote in message ... On Feb 19, 7:35 pm, Mark Borgerson wrote: In article s.com, says... This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. Here again Jessibur shows his lack of understaning of the most fundamental maritime concepts. There is a difference betwen UNDERWAY and MAKING WAY. Test question 1: what conditions suggests a vessel underway and not making way? What COLREGS cover a vessel UNDERWAY and not making way? That would seem nonsensical in at least one way: If the boat isn't underway, you wouldn't have to wear the jacket, but stepping from your boat to your dinghy while at anchor might be when a PFD is most needed. absotlty agred This comes under the heading of personell transfers. The next question to ask, is when does a vessel transition from "boat" to "ship". If there is no difference, I can see a big opportunity in stylish flotation gear for the cruise ship industry! ;-) USCG does not make a distinction between boat or ship. However there are several conditions the uscg uses to regulate vessel operation: 1) area of operation,,, Ocean Near Coast Inland 2) size??? Gross Registerd Tons and/or Length. 3) Type of servise as in Coast Wise (fishing-cargo-passanger) Oil and Mineral (OSV/DSV/etc)Then you have different sub catigories of those ie Chapter T Passenger Vessels. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. Jessibur how do swallow the fact you hae to register your boat and GOD FORBID not shhit in the bay or dump your oil in the water either? That mut be a TERRIBLE infrigment of your personal freedoms ! ! ! You see... Republicans are nothing more than SPOILED CHILDREN.. Its all, WAAAA WAAAA me me me dont tell me what to do ITS MY BOAT wa wa waaaa. The most effective way to get people to wear PFDs might be a simple regulation that if you get rescued and aren't wearing one, you pay all the costs of the rescue. THis is a very good idea....! I think... hum ill have to think more about the imlications. bob |
Mandatory Life Jackets.
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:11:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway. And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more infringement by government upon our personal freedoms. It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's mandated by law. There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business. I have a merchant marine academy textbook, or did until I lost everything in a fire. It says that while fire is rightly regarded as the major threat, sailors do occasionally drown, too often after falling off the gangplank drunk. I personally wouldn't have a chance if I went in the water from any height at all. I have no body fat and would sink like a rock to a considerable depth and most likely never make it back to the air. Casady |
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Any takers? Pass this on to any comedians you know who are looking for ideas. Go for it. In Canada ,we are under no legal obligation to open the hatch for anyone , watercops included. They have to get a search warrant to enter a boat's living accomodations. |
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