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Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. Whatever happened to cruising for the sake of the simple and enjoyable cruising life which is NOT to be had if one motors from one port to the next where one can connect to the Internet to run one's mouth for hours and hours each day? What kind of mentality tells a sailor that his audience can't get along without him or he can't get along without his audience? I couldn't cruise that way. I wouldn't cruise that way. That's not cruising. I couldn't live that way. That's not living That's going around yelling, "Hey lookit meeeeee!" Wilbur Hubbard |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:52:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. Whatever happened to cruising for the sake of the simple and enjoyable cruising life which is NOT to be had if one motors from one port to the next where one can connect to the Internet to run one's mouth for hours and hours each day? What kind of mentality tells a sailor that his audience can't get along without him or he can't get along without his audience? I couldn't cruise that way. I wouldn't cruise that way. That's not cruising. I couldn't live that way. That's not living That's going around yelling, "Hey lookit meeeeee!" Wilbur Hubbard As someone said, "Hey lookit meeeeee!' Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com... Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. Whatever happened to cruising for the sake of the simple and enjoyable cruising life which is NOT to be had if one motors from one port to the next where one can connect to the Internet to run one's mouth for hours and hours each day? What kind of mentality tells a sailor that his audience can't get along without him or he can't get along without his audience? I couldn't cruise that way. I wouldn't cruise that way. That's not cruising. I couldn't live that way. That's not living That's going around yelling, "Hey lookit meeeeee!" Wilbur Hubbard Now, Willie, you know that's not quite right... I can't comment on others, but we sail, using the motor only as a last resort. It's true that we "shop for internet" while we shop for water as we anchor, but that's driven by 2 things. The first and foremost, a condition I knew about when I married her, is that Lydia has stainless steel hawsers rather than apron strings, enhanced and confounded by her relatively recent awareness of grandparent(well, I guess I should say grandmother, as, if it's not of her bloodline, the interest in FTF or telephony/video contact is nearly invisible)hood, which make the need for reasonably reliable contact, either via email or video skype, paramount. It's (the hawsers) one of the conditions I accepted as the cost of cruising - and, even our relationship, which preceded our splash by a long time. Second is that, unlike a huge majority of cruisers (not necessarily here), we don't return to our home port, with all the attendant benefits of a landside connection, transportation and a fixed location for a base, after each trip or voyage. As a result, anything we need is hugely more effectively done over the internet rather than on an expensive shore card (see the Ragged subthread) or even more expensive cell connection. FWIW, we also have Ham, SSB, VHF and other connectivity - but the internet works any time we're within a league of shore, for the most part (there have been only a less-than-handfuil of times we've not found open access in our three years plus of cruising, much of it done under way). So, weather is the prime concern, navigation the second, provisioning and safety the third, and on and on. WiFi is only one of the primary concerns :{)) - but once the others are resolved, item 1 above trumps most other stuff... Yah, I know, you'll get off on your rant about women on a boat. However, that part aside, those of our sexual orientation usually prefer to have a companion if she's up to, enthusiastic about and reasonably (I only put that label on myself; "highly" may come one day...) skilled at seamanship. So, there you have it... As to the last, in a check of the archives, I think one would find that you've had orders of magnitude more presence here, usually to stir up something (and which, as we've discussed, with some mutual amusement, I usually won't take the bait on). Ergo, Pot, Kettle. But I love you anyway :{)) L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery! Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:52:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. To those of us with friends, family and business interests, being able to keep in touch with the world has its advantages. For you, perhaps not so much. |
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Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:52:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. To those of us with friends, family and business interests, being able to keep in touch with the world has its advantages. For you, perhaps not so much. Ouch |
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"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. Whatever happened to cruising for the sake of the simple and enjoyable cruising life which is NOT to be had if one motors from one port to the next where one can connect to the Internet to run one's mouth for hours and hours each day? What kind of mentality tells a sailor that his audience can't get along without him or he can't get along without his audience? I couldn't cruise that way. I wouldn't cruise that way. That's not cruising. I couldn't live that way. That's not living That's going around yelling, "Hey lookit meeeeee!" Wilbur Hubbard Now, Willie, you know that's not quite right... I can't comment on others, but we sail, using the motor only as a last resort. It's true that we "shop for internet" while we shop for water as we anchor, but that's driven by 2 things. And, you don't understand the absurdity of your methods? You don't see how what you do is a *******ization of cruising and voyaging? You need to examine what your goals are and write them down in order of priorities. If your main goals involve 'keeping in touch' then you're in the wrong place doing the wrong thing. Cruising and voyaging are NOT all about keeping in touch. Keeping in touch is anathema to the cruising life. You are trying to combine two things that are at the opposite ends of the spectrum to the detriment of both of them. By trying to do both, you are doing neither well. Are your goals so vague and cloudy that it pleases you to be mediocre at everying caused by doing several things half-assed so you can cram them all in? For me it's always been quality over quantity. I guess for you and most others these days priorities have changed. It's now all about quantity over quality. That's the very definition of mediocre. It saddens me to have a noble pursuit like cruising and voyaging reduced to mediocrity. The first and foremost, a condition I knew about when I married her, is that Lydia has stainless steel hawsers rather than apron strings, enhanced and confounded by her relatively recent awareness of grandparent(well, I guess I should say grandmother, as, if it's not of her bloodline, the interest in FTF or telephony/video contact is nearly invisible)hood, which make the need for reasonably reliable contact, either via email or video skype, paramount. It's (the hawsers) one of the conditions I accepted as the cost of cruising - and, even our relationship, which preceded our splash by a long time. A very obtuse way of saying you actually enjoy being a henpecked husband. Second is that, unlike a huge majority of cruisers (not necessarily here), we don't return to our home port, with all the attendant benefits of a landside connection, transportation and a fixed location for a base, after each trip or voyage. As a result, anything we need is hugely more effectively done over the internet rather than on an expensive shore card (see the Ragged subthread) or even more expensive cell connection. I suppose one can then conclude that prior to the advent of the Internet nobody really enjoyed cruising and voyaging. Nobody was able do it well without the umbilical cord? The audience? May I suggest that until you cut the cord you are an 'unborn' cruiser and will never be an accomplished voyager. FWIW, we also have Ham, SSB, VHF and other connectivity - but the internet works any time we're within a league of shore, for the most part (there have been only a less-than-handfuil of times we've not found open access in our three years plus of cruising, much of it done under way). So, weather is the prime concern, navigation the second, provisioning and safety the third, and on and on. WiFi is only one of the primary concerns :{)) - but once the others are resolved, item 1 above trumps most other stuff... Weather the prime concern? lol Says, Skippy as he and his overloaded boat are cruising the Bahamas during hurricane season. Duh! If weather were your prime concern you'd be off cruising someplace and some time where there were no tropical cyclones in the offing. Yah, I know, you'll get off on your rant about women on a boat. However, that part aside, those of our sexual orientation usually prefer to have a companion if she's up to, enthusiastic about and reasonably (I only put that label on myself; "highly" may come one day...) skilled at seamanship. So, there you have it... And, I am entirely correct to rant about 'certain' women voyaging under sail. In the history of mankind there have been perhaps fewer than a 100 women who voyaged under sail and who were not a detriment to the enterprise. Susan Hiscock comes to mind. Any woman who does not enjoy cruising that involves less than 'sailing' a floating condominium with generator power enough to light up a small city is never going to be anything but a severe drag on the proper exection of the enterprise. Better to admit you're henpecked and go live ashore with the other house husbands. As to the last, in a check of the archives, I think one would find that you've had orders of magnitude more presence here, usually to stir up something (and which, as we've discussed, with some mutual amusement, I usually won't take the bait on). Ergo, Pot, Kettle. But I love you anyway :{)) I'm semi-retired from the cruising life now. When I did my major cruising some years ago, I did it as a purist. I did not 'sail' a condo/house tied to shore with a long umbilical cord. Nor did I do it as a floating beauty saloon/gossip column. Definitely not a case of PKB. Consider this, the only reason I bother with you at all is I think you two are one of the few couples these days who might actually enjoy cruising like it was meant to be if only you could honestly examine your priorities and commit to those which are really the most important in your lives. Wilbur Hubbard |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
"Wayne B" wrote in message
... On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:52:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. To those of us with friends, family and business interests, being able to keep in touch with the world has its advantages. For you, perhaps not so much. Has its advantages to the family, business interests and your perceived audience. Is detrimental to voyaging and the voyaging lifestyle because it involves compromise. But, then again, yours is a motorboat. You will never qualify as a voyager/cruiser. Your umbilical cord is much shorter than Skippy's. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Hi, Wilbur,
For a little bit, I'd thought you'd died :{)) "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Now, Willie, you know that's not quite right... I can't comment on others, but we sail, using the motor only as a last resort. It's true that we "shop for internet" while we shop for water as we anchor, but that's driven by 2 things. And, you don't understand the absurdity of your methods? You don't see how what you do is a *******ization of cruising and voyaging? You need to examine what your goals are and write them down in order of priorities. If your main goals involve 'keeping in touch' then you're in the wrong place doing the wrong thing. Ehhh. Things change. If all you care about is getting away from everyone and everything meaningful in your life other than the ocean, that makes sense. However, life today in the connected world is much different. Commercial interests have abandoned SSB in favor of Satellite comms, including full bandwidth internet and telephony. As they make their livings on the water, I'd have to say that their example should be instructive to you in your pedantry (not going the other place!!!)... Cruising and voyaging are NOT all about keeping in touch. Keeping in touch is anathema to the cruising life. You are trying to combine two things that are at the opposite ends of the spectrum to the detriment of both of them. By trying to do both, you are doing neither well. I disagree, particularly as to the enhanced availability of shoreside help for a myriad of circumstances where you might find it favorable. Weather comes to mind. Yes, you can be a skilled meteorologist, but from the limited perspective of the boat's view/radius, you stand the chance of missing something very important or life-threatening, more on which below. Are your goals so vague and cloudy that it pleases you to be mediocre at everying caused by doing several things half-assed so you can cram them all in? For me it's always been quality over quantity. I guess for you and most others these days priorities have changed. It's now all about quantity over quality. That's the very definition of mediocre. It saddens me to have a noble pursuit like cruising and voyaging reduced to mediocrity. Heh. Who sez you can't have it all? Technology today allows that with very few compromises. Admittedly, if you're fixed on voyaging in a vessel small enough to be pushed effectively with a 6HP outboard, your choices of enhancement are pretty limited - as, likely, your cruising range will be, too, solely on space considerations. The first and foremost, a condition I knew about when I married her, is that Lydia has stainless steel hawsers rather than apron strings, enhanced and confounded by her relatively recent awareness of grandparent(well, I guess I should say grandmother, as, if it's not of her bloodline, the interest in FTF or telephony/video contact is nearly invisible)hood, which make the need for reasonably reliable contact, either via email or video skype, paramount. It's (the hawsers) one of the conditions I accepted as the cost of cruising - and, even our relationship, which preceded our splash by a long time. A very obtuse way of saying you actually enjoy being a henpecked husband. Hardly. We share the same objectives. When she needs her fix, I take the advantage to see/communicate with my family as well. Otherwise, changed by her grandparent thing, we'd be quite content to limit those exposures to time aboard. Second is that, unlike a huge majority of cruisers (not necessarily here), we don't return to our home port, with all the attendant benefits of a landside connection, transportation and a fixed location for a base, after each trip or voyage. As a result, anything we need is hugely more effectively done over the internet rather than on an expensive shore card (see the Ragged subthread) or even more expensive cell connection. I suppose one can then conclude that prior to the advent of the Internet nobody really enjoyed cruising and voyaging. Nobody was able do it well without the umbilical cord? The audience? May I suggest that until you cut the cord you are an 'unborn' cruiser and will never be an accomplished voyager. See above on that one. Enjoyment of cruising and voyaging isn't diminished by being able to communicate, any more than your ability to hang an outboard off the back. The Pardeys did just fine with a scull for decades, you slacker! FWIW, we also have Ham, SSB, VHF and other connectivity - but the internet works any time we're within a league of shore, for the most part (there have been only a less-than-handfuil of times we've not found open access in our three years plus of cruising, much of it done under way). So, weather is the prime concern, navigation the second, provisioning and safety the third, and on and on. WiFi is only one of the primary concerns :{)) - but once the others are resolved, item 1 above trumps most other stuff... Weather the prime concern? lol Says, Skippy as he and his overloaded boat are cruising the Bahamas during hurricane season. Duh! If weather were your prime concern you'd be off cruising someplace and some time where there were no tropical cyclones in the offing. As above, our connectedness allows us to be safe but still enjoy those waters you raved so much about. We had a great sail yesterday, for example, in nearly ideal conditions. Going outside through one of the cuts wouldn't be advised, yet, for a couple more days, but, if we didn't have that connectivity, we wouldn't know without having to go have an onsite view of why we shouldn't. Between SSB, my satellite receiver (real-time pix as NOAA's satellites go over), the internet, and others, we have no concerns about tropical disturbances. As always, we have our hurricane holes picked out, and, with our connectivity, could be in place within the 5 day window, keep a careful eye on developments, and take appropriate steps for securing Flying Pig as needed. Those who run and hide geographically are simply wusses, or slaves to insurance rules, or both. Yah, I know, you'll get off on your rant about women on a boat. However, that part aside, those of our sexual orientation usually prefer to have a companion if she's up to, enthusiastic about and reasonably (I only put that label on myself; "highly" may come one day...) skilled at seamanship. So, there you have it... And, I am entirely correct to rant about 'certain' women voyaging under sail. In the history of mankind there have been perhaps fewer than a 100 women who voyaged under sail and who were not a detriment to the enterprise. Susan Hiscock comes to mind. Any woman who does not enjoy cruising that involves less than 'sailing' a floating condominium with generator power enough to light up a small city is never going to be anything but a severe drag on the proper exection of the enterprise. Better to admit you're henpecked and go live ashore with the other house husbands. Neither of us could stand it, and dread the day when we're forced into your condition. Hardly henpecked, WE're out here by distinct preference, as you'd very well know if you read my logs. So, I say to you, Lydia's not one of those "certain" women. As to the last, in a check of the archives, I think one would find that you've had orders of magnitude more presence here, usually to stir up something (and which, as we've discussed, with some mutual amusement, I usually won't take the bait on). Ergo, Pot, Kettle. But I love you anyway :{)) I'm semi-retired from the cruising life now. When I did my major cruising some years ago, I did it as a purist. I did not 'sail' a condo/house tied to shore with a long umbilical cord. Nor did I do it as a floating beauty saloon/gossip column. Definitely not a case of PKB. Consider this, the only reason I bother with you at all is I think you two are one of the few couples these days who might actually enjoy cruising like it was meant to be if only you could honestly examine your priorities and commit to those which are really the most important in your lives. Heh. We do, with our own spin. And, we have, indeed made that commitment. Sold the houses, gave away the car, and plunged headlong into our dream. L8R Love from Lydia, particularly, who gives you a sloppy kiss to go along with the hug -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog The Society for the Preservation of Tithesis commends your ebriated and scrutible use of delible and defatigable, which are gainly, sipid and couth. We are gruntled and consolate that you have the ertia and eptitude to choose such putably pensible tithesis, which we parage. Stamp out Sesquipedalianism |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:24:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: You will never qualify as a voyager/cruiser. Your umbilical cord is much shorter than Skippy's. If you'd like, I'd be happy to compare voyaging/cruising logs with you anytime. We'll be cruising the Keys in January. |
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"Wayne B" wrote in message
... On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:24:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: You will never qualify as a voyager/cruiser. Your umbilical cord is much shorter than Skippy's. If you'd like, I'd be happy to compare voyaging/cruising logs with you anytime. We'll be cruising the Keys in January. Please consider doing your motoring somewhere else. I don't like the thought of our clean, maritime air polluted with diesel fumes and our gin-clear waters fouled with oily bilge water indiscriminately pumped from itinerant trawlers. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:25:19 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:24:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: You will never qualify as a voyager/cruiser. Your umbilical cord is much shorter than Skippy's. If you'd like, I'd be happy to compare voyaging/cruising logs with you anytime. We'll be cruising the Keys in January. Please consider doing your motoring somewhere else. I don't like the thought of our clean, maritime air polluted with diesel fumes and our gin-clear waters fouled with oily bilge water indiscriminately pumped from itinerant trawlers. Wilbur Hubbard Translation: I ain't got no logs. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Translation: I ain't got no logs. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Let's see now, Skip is off cruising and Wilbur ain't. Now WHO is the real cruiser? -- Richard Lamb |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:24:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:52:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Skippy seems to make Wi-Fi his main concern when visiting ports of call. To me this seems rather pitiful. To those of us with friends, family and business interests, being able to keep in touch with the world has its advantages. For you, perhaps not so much. Has its advantages to the family, business interests and your perceived audience. Is detrimental to voyaging and the voyaging lifestyle because it involves compromise. But, then again, yours is a motorboat. You will never qualify as a voyager/cruiser. Your umbilical cord is much shorter than Skippy's. Wilbur Hubbard Possibly true.... but how would you know anything about the "voyaging lifestyle"? As to the term "voyaging lifestyle", it was coined by the Pardey's, perhaps you read one of their books..... And your imagination is working overtime. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:09:49 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: Translation: I ain't got no logs. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Let's see now, Skip is off cruising and Wilbur ain't. Now WHO is the real cruiser? Wilbur of course.... Who else tells what failures we are thus, by inference, proving his claims to fame, not to mention the size of his penis. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:15:28 -0400, WaIIy wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:25:19 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne B" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:24:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: You will never qualify as a voyager/cruiser. Your umbilical cord is much shorter than Skippy's. If you'd like, I'd be happy to compare voyaging/cruising logs with you anytime. We'll be cruising the Keys in January. Please consider doing your motoring somewhere else. I don't like the thought of our clean, maritime air polluted with diesel fumes and our gin-clear waters fouled with oily bilge water indiscriminately pumped from itinerant trawlers. Wilbur Hubbard Different translation : "My gaspipe boom fell on my 1956 15 horse Johnson and now I can't get it started". Or "Damn but I wish I had a real boat!" Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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on Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:50:16 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: "My gaspipe boom fell on my 1956 15 horse Johnson and now I can't get it started". As near as I can remember, Johnson made an eighteen that year, not a fifteen. Casady |
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
... On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:50:59 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:46:02 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: on Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:50:16 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: "My gaspipe boom fell on my 1956 15 horse Johnson and now I can't get it started". As near as I can remember, Johnson made an eighteen that year, not a fifteen. Casady It WAS an 18hp until Wilbur "fixed" it. After that, some days it was only a 6hp. Yes, that's what I heard. Dubble Bubble is really not very effective as a head gasket sealer. Bazooka Joe would never even try it. That's so funny I forgot to laugh. But, seriously, I am one of the few sailors who is honest enough to put my money where my mouth is. I have always derided those so-called sailors who demand diesel engines in sailboats because they are very heavy and ruin the sailing performance because of the extra weight from motor, tankage and systems along with the usual, large, three-bladed fixed prop. These things all serve to turn a sailboat into a motorsailer which is a sad state of affairs and unacceptable to us real sailors. A motorsailer is nothing but an inefficient trawler and even an efficient trawler is an abomination. Please be aware of the fact that I, Wilbur Hubbard, have recently gone DOWN in size from a 9.9 HP Honda twin (junk BTW) to a single-cylinder 6 HP Tohatsu (quality) four-stroke (a mere 1500 dollar refit). This means going from over a 120 pounds on the transom to about 60 pounds. It also means it is much easier to remove the motor and stow it safely in a cockpit locker when underway at sea where it is not needed. Also, it burns less fuel. Most of you have never sailed a blue water cruiser in pure sailboat trim. Well, I have and often do and there's nothing like it. Those who insist upon a big, smelly diesel maybe need to stop pretending that you're sailors. I know all about you pretenders. You rarely take the sail covers off. The most you seem to do is unroll the silly roll-up headsail to assist the motor if the wind happens to be right for it. You don't even know how to get underway under sail while retrieving the anchor. You couldn't anchor under sail if your lives depended upon it. You are deathly afraid of sailing into an inlet without your security blanket diesel churning away. In other words, you are a bunch of motorboaters. You don't fool me. You lie even to yourselves. Just what do you think the insides of your lungs look like anyway? All those diesel fumes you constantly breathe turn your lungs BLACK. So very disgusting a thought. Here you are pretending to be living a healthy life on the bounding main and, instead, you are all candidates for lung transplants. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:00:24 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:50:59 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:46:02 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: on Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:50:16 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: "My gaspipe boom fell on my 1956 15 horse Johnson and now I can't get it started". As near as I can remember, Johnson made an eighteen that year, not a fifteen. Casady It WAS an 18hp until Wilbur "fixed" it. After that, some days it was only a 6hp. Yes, that's what I heard. Dubble Bubble is really not very effective as a head gasket sealer. Bazooka Joe would never even try it. That's so funny I forgot to laugh. But, seriously, I am one of the few sailors who is honest enough to put my money where my mouth is. I have always derided those so-called sailors who demand diesel engines in sailboats because they are very heavy and ruin the sailing performance because of the extra weight from motor, tankage and systems along with the usual, large, three-bladed fixed prop. These things all serve to turn a sailboat into a motorsailer which is a sad state of affairs and unacceptable to us real sailors. A motorsailer is nothing but an inefficient trawler and even an efficient trawler is an abomination. Please be aware of the fact that I, Wilbur Hubbard, have recently gone DOWN in size from a 9.9 HP Honda twin (junk BTW) to a single-cylinder 6 HP Tohatsu (quality) four-stroke (a mere 1500 dollar refit). This means going from over a 120 pounds on the transom to about 60 pounds. It also means it is much easier to remove the motor and stow it safely in a cockpit locker when underway at sea where it is not needed. Also, it burns less fuel. Most of you have never sailed a blue water cruiser in pure sailboat trim. Well, I have and often do and there's nothing like it. Those who insist upon a big, smelly diesel maybe need to stop pretending that you're sailors. I know all about you pretenders. You rarely take the sail covers off. The most you seem to do is unroll the silly roll-up headsail to assist the motor if the wind happens to be right for it. You don't even know how to get underway under sail while retrieving the anchor. You couldn't anchor under sail if your lives depended upon it. You are deathly afraid of sailing into an inlet without your security blanket diesel churning away. In other words, you are a bunch of motorboaters. You don't fool me. You lie even to yourselves. Just what do you think the insides of your lungs look like anyway? All those diesel fumes you constantly breathe turn your lungs BLACK. So very disgusting a thought. Here you are pretending to be living a healthy life on the bounding main and, instead, you are all candidates for lung transplants. Wilbur Hubbard Why all the vehemence toward diesels? Is it because you can't afford one? A motor is a motor and either you got one or you don't. Arguing that because you have a miserable little outboard it somehow makes you superior to the bloke with a good strong reliable diesel is idiotic. But while we are talking about sailors, et al. I assuming that a REAL sailor, like you, will espouse winches and other mechanical devices - rig tackles on the sheets and use levers to tension the back stays, You do have running back stays, don't you; to go along with your authentic gaff mainsail.. And of course you are using genuine hemp lines and long staple cotton sails, right? But of course, you don't even know what I am talking about, do you. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
Willlllburrrr !
And, you don't understand the absurdity of your methods? You don't see how what you do is a *******ization of cruising and voyaging? You need to examine what your goals are and write them down in order of priorities. If your main goals involve 'keeping in touch' then you're in the wrong place doing the wrong thing. A hearty agreement ! Weather the prime concern? lol Says, Skippy as he and his overloaded boat are cruising the Bahamas during hurricane season. Duh! If weather were your prime concern you'd be off cruising someplace and some time where there were no tropical cyclones in the offing. Hummm I wonder what his insurance company says about that........... oh, ya he aint got none cause even those blood suckers wont risk betting on him. And, I am entirely correct to rant about 'certain' women voyaging under sail. In the history of mankind there have been perhaps fewer than a 100 women who voyaged under sail and who were not a detriment to the enterprise. Be carful here Wilbur. Last week I was walking the commercial fish docks and met a hot 28 yo.5'10 and built like a sleek well muscled mongose. SHe owned a squared away 42' wood troller and was fishin tuna. She had a crew of two other 20s women. She said she bought the boat from her dad who fished it in alsaka and had been fisihg tuna/ salmon/crab for the last 8 years. I asked here where she fished. Her reply: Alaska to northern cali and out to 150 miles. She was one very cool skipper and rather pleasant conversationalist. There are extreamly qualified and emotionally capable women....... its just that most the marina dogs around here just cant hunt. Consider this, the only reason I bother with you at all is I think you two are one of the few couples these days who might actually enjoy cruising like it was meant to be if only you could honestly examine your priorities and commit to those which are really the most important in your lives. Wilbur Hubbard That will never happen WIlbur for neither are honest and both are atempting to controll the other. As a result they compliment each other's defeciencies in a mutualy dependent relationship with both alternatly taking on the Parent/Child role (see 1970s Transactional Analysis P-A-C) Please remember that a truly capable woman wont chose a mate that is anything less than a truly capable man. Bob |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
"Bob" wrote in message
... (Wilbur Said) Weather the prime concern? lol Says, Skippy as he and his overloaded boat are cruising the Bahamas during hurricane season. Duh! If weather were your prime concern you'd be off cruising someplace and some time where there were no tropical cyclones in the offing. You obviously chose to ignore my reply to Wilbur earlier in this thread: ******** As above, our connectedness allows us to be safe but still enjoy those waters you raved so much about. We had a great sail yesterday, for example, in nearly ideal conditions. Going outside through one of the cuts wouldn't be advised, yet, for a couple more days, but, if we didn't have that connectivity, we wouldn't know without having to go have an onsite view of why we shouldn't. Between SSB, my satellite receiver (real-time pix as NOAA's satellites go over), the internet, and others, we have no concerns about tropical disturbances. As always, we have our hurricane holes picked out, and, with our connectivity, could be in place within the 5 day window, keep a careful eye on developments, and take appropriate steps for securing Flying Pig as needed. Those who run and hide geographically are simply wusses, or slaves to insurance rules, or both. +++++++ We are neither, just self-directed. I can't say that Wilbur doesn't qualify for at least one, if he suggests we stay out of the "box"... (Bob Said, about that) Hummm I wonder what his insurance company says about that........... oh, ya he aint got none cause even those blood suckers wont risk betting on him. Actually, not so. The same year as our wreck, submitting an app at the Annapolis Boat show, we were quoted (a few weeks later) by the same company we'd had all set up before we went coastal cruising (instead of proceeding directly to the Bahamas following our rehab; they returned our check which they'd been holding pending a departure from coastal coverage with Allstate). Full disclosure on the new app. Same price, same coverage. We chose to remain self-insured, though we're reconsidering liability only, as we've had a very reasonable quote recently... Y'all have fun with the thread; I'm going to bed with a good book. L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery! Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: As a result they compliment each other's defeciencies in a mutualy dependent relationship with both alternatly taking on the Parent/Child role (see 1970s Transactional Analysis P-A-C) Please remember that a truly capable woman wont chose a mate that is anything less than a truly capable man. Bob, I find it impressive that an unmarried guy like yourself has been able to acquire all of this knowledge about women just by reading about them. Very impressive. |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
As a result they compliment each other's defeciencies in a mutualy dependent relationship with both alternatly taking on the Parent/Child role (see 1970s Transactional Analysis P-A-C) Please remember that a truly capable woman wont chose a mate that is anything less than a truly capable man. Bob, I find it impressive that an unmarried guy like yourself has been able to acquire all of this knowledge about women just by reading about them. * *Very impressive. Thank you..... Heck Ive also learned quit a bit about sailing here as well. BOb |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
"Bob" wrote in message
... Willlllburrrr ! And, you don't understand the absurdity of your methods? You don't see how what you do is a *******ization of cruising and voyaging? You need to examine what your goals are and write them down in order of priorities. If your main goals involve 'keeping in touch' then you're in the wrong place doing the wrong thing. A hearty agreement ! Good man! Weather the prime concern? lol Says, Skippy as he and his overloaded boat are cruising the Bahamas during hurricane season. Duh! If weather were your prime concern you'd be off cruising someplace and some time where there were no tropical cyclones in the offing. Hummm I wonder what his insurance company says about that........... oh, ya he aint got none cause even those blood suckers wont risk betting on him. Until he starts to get his priorities straight I wouldn't take the bet either. And, I am entirely correct to rant about 'certain' women voyaging under sail. In the history of mankind there have been perhaps fewer than a 100 women who voyaged under sail and who were not a detriment to the enterprise. Be carful here Wilbur. Last week I was walking the commercial fish docks and met a hot 28 yo.5'10 and built like a sleek well muscled mongose. SHe owned a squared away 42' wood troller and was fishin tuna. She had a crew of two other 20s women. She said she bought the boat from her dad who fished it in alsaka and had been fisihg tuna/ salmon/crab for the last 8 years. I asked here where she fished. Her reply: Alaska to northern cali and out to 150 miles. She was one very cool skipper and rather pleasant conversationalist. And, undoubtedly a lesbian. Face it, no real woman would do what she's doing. There are extreamly qualified and emotionally capable women....... its just that most the marina dogs around here just cant hunt. As a general rule, any woman who lives the sailing life, lives aboard her own sailing vessel and sails the oceans of the world has something wrong with her. Women simply aren't cut out for, nor are they capable of establishing and maintaining a sea going life for extended periods of time. They are genetically programmed to build a nice secure nest ashore where they can bring forth children even if they have to be ******* children because no man will commit to marriage with a woman who aspires to be a man. To keep folks from calling me a mysoginist, let me say something similar about a man. As a general rule, any man who lives the life of a nursemaid has something wrong with him. Such a man would be genetically programmed to be a woman - not a man. Consider this, the only reason I bother with you at all is I think you two are one of the few couples these days who might actually enjoy cruising like it was meant to be if only you could honestly examine your priorities and commit to those which are really the most important in your lives. Wilbur Hubbard That will never happen WIlbur for neither are honest and both are atempting to controll the other. As a result they compliment each other's defeciencies in a mutualy dependent relationship with both alternatly taking on the Parent/Child role (see 1970s Transactional Analysis P-A-C) Please remember that a truly capable woman wont chose a mate that is anything less than a truly capable man. You make an excellent point. A true woman mates with a man who maximizes her chances of child-bearing and the successful nurturing of said progeny in relative safety and security. But, this doesn't apply to Lydia and Skippy as she's well beyond the reproductive age. I think she even has grown-up grandchildren. But, even so, there is a defect in any woman who doesn't nest up whether or not she can still lay eggs. Wilbur Hubbard |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
In article , Bob wrote:
Willlllburrrr ! Yawn. Those who are 'living the dream' for the most part are most likely too busy with life to be posting here. To most of them, posting and reading here is probably too trivial to bother with. That Skip and Lydia are taking time out of their days to share their experiences is great for us, it gives those of us who hope to follow in their footsteps a reminder of what it is that we want to be doing; a dangling carrot. The rest of the cruisers are perhaps keeping quiet in the hope that we don't all get out there and join them - keep those anchorages quiet! Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
"Justin C" wrote in message
... In article , Bob wrote: Willlllburrrr ! Yawn. Those who are 'living the dream' for the most part are most likely too busy with life to be posting here. To most of them, posting and reading here is probably too trivial to bother with. That Skip and Lydia are taking time out of their days to share their experiences is great for us, it gives those of us who hope to follow in their footsteps a reminder of what it is that we want to be doing; a dangling carrot. The rest of the cruisers are perhaps keeping quiet in the hope that we don't all get out there and join them - keep those anchorages quiet! Uh, Justin, by your very own admission you are following pretenders who aren't living the dream because living the dream involves other than Internet connectivity and posting to newsgroups. If you follow in Skippy's footsteps you will never be a real sailor. I suggest you find a couple of real sailors to look up to. You are being led astray by wanabee's. You are correct about one thing, though. Quiet is of great value to us real sailors. That's why we find so offensive and unacceptable overloaded sailboats with Honda generators on deck grinding away at all hours of the day and night, noisy, ill-conceived wind generators whooshing, whirring and whistling at all hours of the day and night, stinky auxiliaries running four hours a day to keep up with refrigeration, halyards banging and pinging unsecured on masts, dogs barking, stereos blaring, loud drunken shouting and laughing late at night and even inboard, diesel generators running 24/7 to air condition the accommodation while anchored. Why don't assholes like this stay tied up at marinas where they can plug in and not bother everybody. These same inconsiderate people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on electricity and the systems to produce an abundance of it can't seem to scrape up enough money to buy a real anchor so they toss out their lone ten-pound aluminum Fortress anchor and proceed to drag around the anchorage. Wilbur Hubbard |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Uh, Justin, by your very own admission you are following pretenders who aren't living the dream because living the dream involves other than Internet connectivity and posting to newsgroups. If you follow in Skippy's footsteps you will never be a real sailor. I suggest you find a couple of real sailors to look up to. You are being led astray by wanabee's. They are following their dream, Wilbur. Not yours. |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Uh, Justin, by your very own admission you are following pretenders who aren't living the dream because living the dream involves other than Internet connectivity and posting to newsgroups. If you follow in Skippy's footsteps you will never be a real sailor. I suggest you find a couple of real sailors to look up to. You are being led astray by wanabee's. They are following their dream, Wilbur. Not yours. Sorry, but no individual has a right to follow a dream when the following of it results in a nightmare for everybody else in an anchorage. Sailors used to be a polite, decent, honorable, competent, considerate and quiet lot. Now, it's got so the majority are not sailors at all. "Boaters" is the closest description of them and these boaters are impolite, indecent, dishonorable, incompetent, inconsiderate and rudely noisy -like so many spoiled-brat children who never grew up and who still think their **** doesn't stink. This sad state of affairs needs to be brought to light every time the subject arises as this trend must be reversed before people start shooting each other. Wilbur Hubbard |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
In article , CaveLamb wrote:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Uh, Justin, by your very own admission you are following pretenders who aren't living the dream because living the dream involves other than Internet connectivity and posting to newsgroups. If you follow in Skippy's footsteps you will never be a real sailor. I suggest you find a couple of real sailors to look up to. You are being led astray by wanabee's. They are following their dream, Wilbur. Not yours. I didn't see Wilbur's post, he's in my kill-file. Wilbur is mistaken if he thinks I'm looking up to Skip. What I said is that Skip is reminding us what it is we want to be doing. Sailors I look up to are Sir Robin Knox-Johnson (he is taller than me), Dame Ellen MacArthur (metaphorically because she's very short), and Jester Challenge entrants, among others. I don't mean to diminish what Skip is doing, I just don't think that what he's doing makes him role-model material, just like I won't be when I'm cruising. It's nothing exceptional, having done the exceptional may make someone rold-model material. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
Do REAL sailors make Wi-Fi a primary concern?
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:50:45 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Uh, Justin, by your very own admission you are following pretenders who aren't living the dream because living the dream involves other than Internet connectivity and posting to newsgroups. If you follow in Skippy's footsteps you will never be a real sailor. I suggest you find a couple of real sailors to look up to. You are being led astray by wanabee's. They are following their dream, Wilbur. Not yours. Sorry, but no individual has a right to follow a dream when the following of it results in a nightmare for everybody else in an anchorage. Sailors used to be a polite, decent, honorable, competent, considerate and quiet lot. Now, it's got so the majority are not sailors at all. "Boaters" is the closest description of them and these boaters are impolite, indecent, dishonorable, incompetent, inconsiderate and rudely noisy -like so many spoiled-brat children who never grew up and who still think their **** doesn't stink. This sad state of affairs needs to be brought to light every time the subject arises as this trend must be reversed before people start shooting each other. Wilbur Hubbard Willie boy, lets face facts. The word "Sailor" has, historically been, with very few exceptions, applied to the generally unskilled portion of the crew of a vessels, i.e., the poorly educated, poorly skilled, and generally low class group who's main interest in life was the absorption of strong drink and pursuit of loose women. The non-professional portion of the a crew as in the British terminology "the Officers and the People", or the "the Officers and the Crew"; "the Officers and the Sailors". Gentlemen boaters, on the other hand, were and are, referred to as "Yachtsmen" and this applied to gentlemen who owned and sailed on yachts, and to be frank were/are a group about which you obviously know nothing at all. After all,THEY are gentlemen. For you to allude to this group as somehow being a group who embody certain attributes which, and by inference include yourself as a member, is simply ludicrous. Your little yellow boat (with purple interior) is hardly the type of vessel that would be described as a "Yacht" by any real Yachtsmen. As J.P. Morgan once said when asked about the running costs of his Yacht, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it". And you can't afford it. To a real Yachtsman, you would be refereed to as a "Boat Boy", or perhaps "Bum Boy" if you are describing life in the forecastle as seen by an individual who is not attracted to women. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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