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Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not
fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ancona |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21
wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Sailboats in that size range will typically be fitted with a single 30 amp Marinco (or equivalent) inlet. If you want to have air conditioning installed that would usually mandate an additional 30 amp inlet. I'd recommend getting the installation done by a certified marine electrician since shore power issues are a frequent cause of boat fires. http://www.marinco.com/files/media/p...rinco%2011.pdf |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21 wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Sailboats in that size range will typically be fitted with a single 30 amp Marinco (or equivalent) inlet. If you want to have air conditioning installed that would usually mandate an additional 30 amp inlet. I'd recommend getting the installation done by a certified marine electrician since shore power issues are a frequent cause of boat fires. http://www.marinco.com/files/media/p...rinco%2011.pdf Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:53:22 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21 wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Sailboats in that size range will typically be fitted with a single 30 amp Marinco (or equivalent) inlet. If you want to have air conditioning installed that would usually mandate an additional 30 amp inlet. I'd recommend getting the installation done by a certified marine electrician since shore power issues are a frequent cause of boat fires. http://www.marinco.com/files/media/p...rinco%2011.pdf Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm I'd be the first to agree that it can be done as a DIY project but there are a couple of caveats. First, this is more involved than just installing a shore power inlet. There will also need to be a panel, hopefully with reverse polarity detection/prevention; circuit breakers; and branch circuits, all installed in accordance with NMEA standards. If not your insurance policy is not worth the paper it is written on, and you could face major liabilities if your boat causes a dock fire or electrocutes someone. Another issue is that most amateur electrical work stands out like a sore thumb when a boat is surveyed or resold. |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
Subject
Having spent a major piece of my career in the electrical business and also wired a couple of boats, I'll offer the following: FORGET about wiring a boat for 120VAC shore power, especially on an older boat.. Instead, wire up a "Cheater, a 30A plug, a 15A receptacle, and 12"-15" of 10-3 wire. Add to that a 25 ft, 10-3 120V extension cord with a triple receptacle outlet from a big box store. When needed, plug in, run cord inside boat, plug in hot plate and make breakfast. When finished, coil up cord, unplug cheater and store in locker. BTW, this also works for the electric hot water heater. It's safer and less costly. No need for expensive marine electrical items. BTDT, would never do it again. Lew |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:53:22 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm I'd be the first to agree that it can be done as a DIY project but there are a couple of caveats. First, this is more involved than just installing a shore power inlet. There will also need to be a panel, hopefully with reverse polarity detection/prevention; circuit breakers; and branch circuits, all installed in accordance with NMEA standards. If not your insurance policy is not worth the paper it is written on, and you could face major liabilities if your boat causes a dock fire or electrocutes someone. Another issue is that most amateur electrical work stands out like a sore thumb when a boat is surveyed or resold. Having just been through the ENTIRE electrical suystem of my boat, I'd argue loudly that last sentence. (and you left of Ground fault). The work done by - professionals - just plain sucked. Bad crimps (by automotive type tools if I'm not mistaken), no strain relief, no drip loops, no labels, no idea of what wire does what, etc. This was not the factory wiring (perfectly adequate), but work done by a boat yard - after the fact. It's my boat, and I want it done right. Damit! Badly enough to research the standards, buy the proper tools and parts (and wire!), and do it - right. I don't have a lot of detail on the web site yet - but - http://www.home.earthlink.net/~capri...ds.htm#electro and scroll down ways to "My New arrangement"... I figer if I didn't do it right, Willie would (for sure) let me know! And he would probably be right on this one... Willie? What do I need to fix? -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject Having spent a major piece of my career in the electrical business and also wired a couple of boats, I'll offer the following: FORGET about wiring a boat for 120VAC shore power, especially on an older boat.. Instead, wire up a "Cheater, a 30A plug, a 15A receptacle, and 12"-15" of 10-3 wire. Add to that a 25 ft, 10-3 120V extension cord with a triple receptacle outlet from a big box store. When needed, plug in, run cord inside boat, plug in hot plate and make breakfast. When finished, coil up cord, unplug cheater and store in locker. BTW, this also works for the electric hot water heater. It's safer and less costly. No need for expensive marine electrical items. BTDT, would never do it again. Lew That sounds kind of like the way I did my 18, Lew. Only difference is that I hung it under the cockpit. I put a Marinco connector (15 Amp) on a power strip (with breaker and GFA) and called it done. Everything AC plugged into that. And I never had a minutes problem with any of it. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/c18.htm down at the bottom... -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:53:22 -0500, cavelamb wrote: Wayne's advice is well meant, but from what I've seen so far of marine services, I'd do it myself. Wiring and pin named for various connections http://www.frentzandsons.com/Hardwar...nfiguratio.htm I'd be the first to agree that it can be done as a DIY project but there are a couple of caveats. First, this is more involved than just installing a shore power inlet. There will also need to be a panel, hopefully with reverse polarity detection/prevention; circuit breakers; and branch circuits, all installed in accordance with NMEA standards. If not your insurance policy is not worth the paper it is written on, and you could face major liabilities if your boat causes a dock fire or electrocutes someone. Another issue is that most amateur electrical work stands out like a sore thumb when a boat is surveyed or resold. Having just been through the ENTIRE electrical suystem of my boat, I'd argue loudly that last sentence. (and you left of Ground fault). The work done by - professionals - just plain sucked. Bad crimps (by automotive type tools if I'm not mistaken), no strain relief, no drip loops, no labels, no idea of what wire does what, etc. This was not the factory wiring (perfectly adequate), but work done by a boat yard - after the fact. It's my boat, and I want it done right. Damit! Badly enough to research the standards, buy the proper tools and parts (and wire!), and do it - right. I don't have a lot of detail on the web site yet - but - http://www.home.earthlink.net/~capri...ds.htm#electro and scroll down ways to "My New arrangement"... I figer if I didn't do it right, Willie would (for sure) let me know! And he would probably be right on this one... Willie? What do I need to fix? -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/ Great job Richard! |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Apr 27, 8:40*am, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21 wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ancona How did you end up with a 33 foot sailboat and not even know the draft? Did you even have a survey done? Silly me. The Coast Guard documentation indicates a draft of 5'7" but the previous owner (who sold the boat to me for $1.00) said he thought it might be a bit deeper. Moreover, one of John Cherubini's younger family members wrote in another discussion group that he had owned a tall-rigged Raider 33 whose draft was 6 feet. Thus my uncertainty about the boat's draft. Given the attractive price and the owner's eagerness to clear his dock for a new boat due to be delivered soon I decided to roll the dice and have it towed to my own dock in a canal off the New River in Ft Lauderdale. As a retired insurance broker with numerous contacts in the industry I was able to obtain liability insurance without breaking a sweat. I'd say adding shore power is the very least of your "issues". I am well aware of my issues, thank you very much. Many marinas won't rent to you without insurance, and I doubt you will get insurance without a proper survey, and repair of problems the survey uncovers. Even if you have the boat at your own private dock in front of your house, you would be foolish not to have substantial liability insurance. If I ever need help on that I'll give you a shout. When you do add shore power, make sure it doesn't create an issue with your insurance covereage. If not done to the insurer's standards, it might mean you aren't covered, even though you have a policy in your hand. See previous comments. Ancona |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Apr 27, 9:40*am, Ancona21 wrote:
On Apr 27, 8:40*am, wrote: On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21 wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ancona How did you end up with a 33 foot sailboat and not even know the draft? Did you even have a survey done? Silly me. The Coast Guard documentation indicates a draft of 5'7" but the previous owner (who sold the boat to me for $1.00) said he thought it might be a bit deeper. Moreover, one of John Cherubini's younger family members wrote in another discussion group that he had owned a tall-rigged Raider 33 whose draft was 6 feet. Thus my uncertainty about the boat's draft. Given the attractive price and the owner's eagerness to clear his dock for a new boat due to be delivered soon I decided to roll the dice and have it towed to my own dock in a canal off the New River in Ft Lauderdale. As a retired insurance broker with numerous contacts in the industry I was able to obtain liability insurance without breaking a sweat. I'd say adding shore power is the very least of your "issues". I am well aware of my issues, thank you very much. Many marinas won't rent to you without insurance, and I doubt you will get insurance without a proper survey, and repair of problems the survey uncovers. Even if you have the boat at your own private dock in front of your house, you would be foolish not to have substantial liability insurance. If I ever need help on that I'll give you a shout. When you do add shore power, make sure it doesn't create an issue with your insurance covereage. If not done to the insurer's standards, it might mean you aren't covered, even though you have a policy in your hand. See previous comments. Ancona- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - PS: See pictures he http://picasaweb.google.com/Ancona21...aider33Kokomo# Ancona |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21
wrote: Silly me. The Coast Guard documentation indicates a draft of 5'7" but the previous owner (who sold the boat to me for $1.00) That's an excellent start. For now, I'd go with the quick methods suggested by Lew and Cavelamb. You can rig a home A/C unit to cool the interior while you do needed work to make the boat ship shape for sailing. Hot down there, From what you've said, I get the idea that you're new to it. I may be wrong there. That you had it towed to your dock rather than motored over - why? Anyway, no sense spending much money until you know you'll keep the boat. Main thing is don't get zapped, and have the necessary grounding. --Vic |
Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Ancona21
wrote: PS: See pictures he http://picasaweb.google.com/Ancona21...aider33Kokomo# Looks like a nice clean boat, and certainly worth every dollar of what you paid for it. I think you ended up getting the right advice regarding shorepower: A heavy guage, multi-outlet extension cable that is not a permanent part of the boat. It will minimize your issues and expense, and it will do the job when you need it. |
Thanks To All / Cherubini Raider 33 - Need Shore Power Advice
Many thanks to all who responded to my shore power question. The
discussion was very informative and useful to me. Best, Ancona On Apr 26, 7:06*am, Ancona21 wrote: I have recently acquired a 1985 Cherubini Raider 33 which is not fitted for shore power. I need guidance on the best choice of shore power inlet types to install. I would also appreciate any information about the boat itself. It was built in Florida in 1985 - original name was MUSIC which was later changed to KOKOMO. It appears to be a tall rig model, but I have no specs. Nor do I know the draft. Any info or referrals would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ancona |
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