Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60 pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a 6 amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound, Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with 5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's little or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60 pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a 6 amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound, Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with 5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's little or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard



Pick carefully.
For a sailboat, a long shaft is important, but so is the final gearing
and prop size. One model (number?) has lower gearing and a much larger
prop - something like 10 to 12 inch diameter as opposed to 6 to 9.

The bigger prop model is the one you want.


--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60 pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a 6 amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound, Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with 5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's little or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:58:11 +0700, bruceinbangkok wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:
Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?
http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html
Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60 pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a 6 amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound, Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with 5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's little or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.
Wilbur Hubbard

This is interesting..
Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I have that engine but mine is a 20" shaft and so far has a std prop.
I'll be getting the H/T prop soon. But I don't expect it to produce
suitable primary power for a boat heavier than 2000 - 2500lbs tops.
Yes it would push a heavier boat in no wind conditions but not if the
tide was running. My only complaint is the steering friction design.
No matter how hard I tighten it, I can't completely lock the steering
in place. Saw a fellow on another message board (on the Web) with the
same engine that finally duct taped his shaft to the bracket. He
claims that worked. -shrug-
As someone upthread mentioned, the prop diameter is limited to 8 3/8"
Max and the gearing is too high to compete with the likes of Yamaha
H/T motors. On the other hand it's much lighter and a lot less
expensive.
And yes, that same engine also carries Nissan and Mercury decals.
Probably Mariner too, I dunno. But parts are readily available from
any of those sources.
Overall I like my little engine. It's light, doesn't burn much fuel,
easy maintenance, and it starts easily. It's not the right tool for
every job though.
Rick

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60 pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a 6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound, Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60 pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a 6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound, Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet? Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet? Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?

The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:00:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?


Willie,

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:00:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour.
Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched
with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical
with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically
slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner
is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as
you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What
are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If
you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges.
Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model
number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding
and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement
is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?


Willie,

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



Not so! You indicated that Mariners were the most popular. I stated that any
Mariner under 40 hp is a Tohatsu in disguise. Therefore, you are incorrect
when you said these watermen have no use for my brand. They are running
Tohatsus whether they know it or not. If they prefer Mariners then they
prefer Tohatsus. A Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu.

So, a belated thanks for the vote of confidence for the manufacturer of
those Mariners your watermen prefer over other brands - Tohatsu.

Not only does this tell me that Tohatsus are good motors but it also tells
me those Thais are very ignorant. No wonder you like it there.


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On 4/2/2010 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

snipped a pile of BS...

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



I replied with good info, but was totally ignored.

I think he likes you better than me...

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:35:24 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:00:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
news:3j75r5hjh4pi48rusg4d59d825ip7u500t@4ax. com...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
news:rhb3r55lj7mq7idrqqn2qrairic9cphd77@4a x.com...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour.
Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100
pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched
with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical
with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically
slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards
below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an
aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most
popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by
Mariner
is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as
you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What
are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by
anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If
you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is
just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges.
Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model
number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your
entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win
a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect
the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding
and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement
is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand
pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?


Willie,

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



Not so! You indicated that Mariners were the most popular. I stated that
any
Mariner under 40 hp is a Tohatsu in disguise. Therefore, you are incorrect
when you said these watermen have no use for my brand. They are running
Tohatsus whether they know it or not. If they prefer Mariners then they
prefer Tohatsus. A Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu.

So, a belated thanks for the vote of confidence for the manufacturer of
those Mariners your watermen prefer over other brands - Tohatsu.

Not only does this tell me that Tohatsus are good motors but it also tells
me those Thais are very ignorant. No wonder you like it there.


Wilbur Hubbard


Just because an outboard is made by Tohatsu, it in no way means that
it is the same quality as a Tohatsu branded motor. Big manufacturers
are able to make products to fit any quality or cost profile. If
Mariner comes to Tohatsu and says, "we want a motor of higher quality
than your standard offerings, so we can compete with Yamaha at a
higher price point, but we don't want you to release a Tohatsu branded
competitor to it, Tohatsu will fill the order and take the money.




Sorry, that's not what it says on the Website. It says Tohatsu, Nissan and
Mariner (under 40HP) are all made by Tohatsu and there are no differences -
only cosmetic such as stickers.

Is that so freaking hard to understand?

Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

"cavelamb" ""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net" wrote in message
m...
On 4/2/2010 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

snipped a pile of BS...

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



I replied with good info, but was totally ignored.

I think he likes you better than me...



Your information wasn't helpful at all. You posted:

Pick carefully.
For a sailboat, a long shaft is important, but so is the final gearing
and prop size. One model (number?) has lower gearing and a much larger
prop - something like 10 to 12 inch diameter as opposed to 6 to 9.

The bigger prop model is the one you want.


The model I linked to has a 25 inch shaft - the longest made. The gearing is
2.15:1 and the prop is the largest diameter that will fit. 8.35" and the
pitch is 6".

In other words, your information did not apply. You aren't talking to some
rank newb here. But, perhaps some generic reader might have found it
helpful.


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:00:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour. Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?
Willie,

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 23:48:26 -0500, cavelamb ""cavelamb\"@ X
earthlink.net" wrote:

On 4/2/2010 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

snipped a pile of BS...

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



I replied with good info, but was totally ignored.

I think he likes you better than me...

You should be so lucky :-)

By he way, You said you wanted to e-mail me. I sent you an e-mail and
got a reply that you'd answer, after a while.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:40:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"cavelamb" ""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net" wrote in message
om...
On 4/2/2010 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

snipped a pile of BS...

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



I replied with good info, but was totally ignored.

I think he likes you better than me...



Your information wasn't helpful at all. You posted:

Pick carefully.
For a sailboat, a long shaft is important, but so is the final gearing
and prop size. One model (number?) has lower gearing and a much larger
prop - something like 10 to 12 inch diameter as opposed to 6 to 9.

The bigger prop model is the one you want.


The model I linked to has a 25 inch shaft - the longest made. The gearing is
2.15:1 and the prop is the largest diameter that will fit. 8.35" and the
pitch is 6".

In other words, your information did not apply. You aren't talking to some
rank newb here. But, perhaps some generic reader might have found it
helpful.


Wilbur Hubbard


Raw Rube? Aren't you the guy that once started that the proper length
of oars were "ones that fitted inside one's boat"?

But perhaps you are a thief? Didn't you once give us detailed
instructions on how to steal from Walmart?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:35:24 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:00:02 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:01:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
om...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:03:54 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
news:rhb3r55lj7mq7idrqqn2qrairic9cphd77@4ax .com...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour.
Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100 pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched
with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical
with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically
slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by Mariner
is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as
you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What
are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If
you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges.
Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model
number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding
and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement
is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?


Willie,

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



Not so! You indicated that Mariners were the most popular. I stated that any
Mariner under 40 hp is a Tohatsu in disguise. Therefore, you are incorrect
when you said these watermen have no use for my brand. They are running
Tohatsus whether they know it or not. If they prefer Mariners then they
prefer Tohatsus. A Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu.

So, a belated thanks for the vote of confidence for the manufacturer of
those Mariners your watermen prefer over other brands - Tohatsu.

Not only does this tell me that Tohatsus are good motors but it also tells
me those Thais are very ignorant. No wonder you like it there.


Wilbur Hubbard


Willie,

I am awarding you the Gold Medal for being the King of
rationalization.

To be frank I couldn't care a whit whether you buy a Tohatsu outboard
or not, but I though you might wonder a bit why these benighted,
primitive people will buy Mariners and shy away from the Tohatsu? And
don't tell me that they don't know that these are both the same engine
and only the decals are different. These guys know, for instance, that
a Yanmar Diesel (copy) manufactured in Surabaya, Indonesia, lasts
longer then a Yanmar Diesel (copy) manufactured in some other place.
Don't ask me how they can tell, serial number series I suppose, but
they can tell and will pay a premium for the Surabaya engines.

But one thing Willie, after you buy this paragon of motors, and the
piston sticks or the shaft twists off, do keep stum about it. Don't be
weeping and crying all over the Internet :-(

As a target to shoot for, I bought a 3 H.P Mercury motor 10 years ago.
When I sold the sailboat, last month, the motor would still start with
two pulls from cold. Maintenance problems? Certainly, I changed the
waterpump impeller about every two years. Propeller? Once after I hit
a log.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
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snippage


Raw Rube? Aren't you the guy that once started that the proper length
of oars were "ones that fitted inside one's boat"?

Dinghy - not 'boat'. The oars should not be longer than the rowing dinghy
itself. When you ship your dinghy oars you don't want them protruding either
fore or aft. That's just plain common sense. It they protrude past bow or
transom, it is likely they will be knocked adrift at crowded dinghy docks
and you might well find yourself trying to row out to the mother ship using
pieces of driftwood found along the shoreline.


But perhaps you are a thief? Didn't you once give us detailed
instructions on how to steal from Walmart?


Hardly. It was K-Mart, if memeory serves. But, then again, if I'm becoming
as senile as you, I might have mis-remembered. lol


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

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wrote:

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400, WaIIy
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Anybody have one of these on his sailboat?

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html


Looks like a good deal. Thinking of buying one myself. Around 60
pounds,
uses only half a gallon of gasoline at full throttle in an hour.
Has
a
6
amp
alternator, extra long shaft. Looking to replace my old, 100
pound,
Honda
9.9 which has a cracked block leaking cooling water and patched
with
5200.
Don't trust it anymore. Only need a small engine for when there's
little
or
no wind. The rest of the time I sail.


Wilbur Hubbard


This is interesting..

Tohatsu is the maker of all Nissan outboards. They are identical
with
the exception of brand label (decals). Nissans are typically
slightly
higher in price as a result of the premium branding. There is no
difference in features, specifications, or warranty. The only
difference
is the decals.

Does Tohatsu make Nissan and Mercury outboards?
Yes. Tohatsu makes ALL Nissan outboards and Mercury outboards
below
40hp. We do not sell Mercury outboards as Tohatsu and Nissan are
considerably less expensive than the Mercury label.

You see them here,occasionally. Either they don't have an
aggressive
sales program or they just aren't popular. Probably the most
popular
O.B. here is the Mariner.


Bruce, you're clueless as usual. Anything under 40 hp sold by
Mariner
is
a
Tohatsu with different paint and decals. You write such ignorance as
you
did
immediately below an attribution that explains your ignorance? What
are
you
smoking, dude?

Wilbur Hubbard


One shouldn't argue with a fool, but....

Nowhere did I say that Mariner engines were or were not made by
anyone
other then Mariner.

What I did say was that Mariner is more common brand here.

Apparently you are sadly lacking in English comprehension skills.
Perhaps there are adult education classes that you could attend to
remedy your deficiency.




Senile old fart! - a Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu. If
you
slap a Chevrolet sticker on a Ford does it make the Ford a Chevrolet?
Duh!


Wilbur Hubbard


Well tell me, or great Pundit, does the tag "IBM Thinkpad" on a
computer mean it is an IBM product? Does the tag "IBM" on the original
PC monitor mean it was made by IBM? Does the tag "Made in the USA"
mean that it was constructed in the U.S.?



Exactly my point! Your statement that Mariners are most popular around
there belies the fact that those Mariners under 40 HP are disguised
Tohatsu's just like the present day Think Pad is a Lenovo and not an IBM
product. And, misdirecting the discussion to place of manufacture is
just
that - a misdirection of the discussion because you know damned well you
haven't a leg to stand on.


The Thinkpad was made by Lenovo who ultimately purchased IBM's laptop
division.

Misdirection because you are trying to compare apples and oranges.
Thinkpad
was a model number not a manufacturer's name. Mariner is not a model
number.
Duh!


The original IBM PC monitor was made by a Taiwanese company.

Unrelated to the discussion at hand.



The term "Made in the USA" simply means that some portion of the
device was made or assembled in the U.S.

Obfuscation!


And, now that you have been exposed yet again, as a fool, and
attempted to win the debate with a personal attack rather then logic,
and been exposed again as an idiot, for umpteenth time, what is your
next move?

You are the one roundly exposed as lacking in debating skills. Your
entire
argument has been exposed as a non sequitur. If you would attempt to win
a
debate you must debate the issue at hand and not attempt to misdirect
the
issue to some other issue. Doing so demonstrates a lack of understanding
and
explains quite well why you can't understand how ignorant your statement
is
that Mariners are more popular around there.


One assumes that you will now make a series of personal attacks in
order to obscure the fact that you made a statement that indicates
either that (1) you lack English reading comprehension skills or, (2)
you are a liar.The only question is which? And it is likely the vast
majority of your readers will have no problem with selecting the
correct answer.


One assumes incorrectly as I slammed you to the mat using simple logic.


Now comes the assessment of your lack of intelligence and standing - you
closed-minded dock rat, motorboater! That you're stuck in Thailand
pretty
much proves that you can't do anything right. Can you say halfway or
half-assed?


Willie,

I must say that you are adroit. You plead for information; I made an
admittedly vague but never the less possibly useful bit of
information, response indicating that some of the stingiest watermen
in the world don't seem to have any use for your preferred make, but
that I didn't know why.

You neither replied with whatever thanks were due for the bit of
information, nor ignored it, but rather started to berate me for a
totally unrelated bit in information - who actually manufacturers
specific makes and models of outboard motors. A subject that is
totally unrelated to the original subject.


Willie, I've got to say it, you are a piece of work.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



Not so! You indicated that Mariners were the most popular. I stated that
any
Mariner under 40 hp is a Tohatsu in disguise. Therefore, you are incorrect
when you said these watermen have no use for my brand. They are running
Tohatsus whether they know it or not. If they prefer Mariners then they
prefer Tohatsus. A Tohatsu by any other name is still a Tohatsu.

So, a belated thanks for the vote of confidence for the manufacturer of
those Mariners your watermen prefer over other brands - Tohatsu.

Not only does this tell me that Tohatsus are good motors but it also tells
me those Thais are very ignorant. No wonder you like it there.


Wilbur Hubbard


Willie,

I am awarding you the Gold Medal for being the King of
rationalization.

To be frank I couldn't care a whit whether you buy a Tohatsu outboard
or not, but I though you might wonder a bit why these benighted,
primitive people will buy Mariners and shy away from the Tohatsu? And
don't tell me that they don't know that these are both the same engine
and only the decals are different. These guys know, for instance, that
a Yanmar Diesel (copy) manufactured in Surabaya, Indonesia, lasts
longer then a Yanmar Diesel (copy) manufactured in some other place.
Don't ask me how they can tell, serial number series I suppose, but
they can tell and will pay a premium for the Surabaya engines.

But one thing Willie, after you buy this paragon of motors, and the
piston sticks or the shaft twists off, do keep stum about it. Don't be
weeping and crying all over the Internet :-(

As a target to shoot for, I bought a 3 H.P Mercury motor 10 years ago.
When I sold the sailboat, last month, the motor would still start with
two pulls from cold. Maintenance problems? Certainly, I changed the
waterpump impeller about every two years. Propeller? Once after I hit
a log.


Good to hear it because that Mercury was also made by Tohatsu. I have one of
the very same but in Mariner guise and it has, indeed, been a super reliable
motor. Mine is a 3.3, however. Has the fwd/neutral shifter on the side.
But, it is over ten years old now and still going strong. I've had to
replace two impellers for the cooling water as they become hard and one or
more of the flexible arms break off.

My point is people are ignorant and stupid if they say their small Mariners
are better than the Tohatsus because they are talking about the very same
motor with different paint/decals. All the mechanicals are identical. So, it
is just a matter of it being in their minds (or what passes for a mind) that
Mariner is the best. Shows what word of mouth and a bigger advertising
budget can accomplish. You know, like, "there's a sucker born every minute."


Wilbur Hubbard

Anybody have one of these outboards?
 

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:08:15 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
Much trimmed.

As a target to shoot for, I bought a 3 H.P Mercury motor 10 years ago.
When I sold the sailboat, last month, the motor would still start with
two pulls from cold. Maintenance problems? Certainly, I changed the
waterpump impeller about every two years. Propeller? Once after I hit
a log.


Good to hear it because that Mercury was also made by Tohatsu. I have one of
the very same but in Mariner guise and it has, indeed, been a super reliable
motor. Mine is a 3.3, however. Has the fwd/neutral shifter on the side.
But, it is over ten years old now and still going strong. I've had to
replace two impellers for the cooling water as they become hard and one or
more of the flexible arms break off.

My point is people are ignorant and stupid if they say their small Mariners
are better than the Tohatsus because they are talking about the very same
motor with different paint/decals. All the mechanicals are identical. So, it
is just a matter of it being in their minds (or what passes for a mind) that
Mariner is the best. Shows what word of mouth and a bigger advertising
budget can accomplish. You know, like, "there's a sucker born every minute."


Wilbur Hubbard


Actually they are not all exactly the same motor. The 3.3 Mercury has
a larger carb then the Mariner, some of the various small 2-3 H.P.
engines, that appear to be the same, use different crank shaft seals,
the cases is machined differently, however the basic casting are
certainly the same. It is obvious that they all started with the same
design and probably castings and major innards but are not all stamped
out with exactly the same cookie cutter.

You are of course correct that advertisement is the name of the game
when it comes to marketing. Have a look at Coca-Cola's annual balance
sheet and see what probably is one of the most widely known companies
in the world spends on advertisement. It is a major item in their
accounts.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)