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Larry February 25th 10 04:37 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



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"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Steve Lusardi February 25th 10 05:55 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
It's wonderful, but how do you use it?
Steve

"Larry" wrote in message ...
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Larry February 25th 10 08:37 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
"Steve Lusardi" wrote in
:

It's wonderful, but how do you use it?
Steve

"Larry" wrote in message
...
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



I'm not sure. It's calibrated in nanoteslas + and - so there seems to
be pushing and pulling the card at various magnetic levels that keep
shifting, it seems. Zooming in on the Charleston-Savannah area, there
are several strong magnetic anomalies of BOTH directions.



This chart may also cause the compass to spin in both directions at
times....a very worrying condition:
http://www.kitco.com/images/live/gold.gif


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Larry


Steve Lusardi February 25th 10 10:57 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
Larry,
I can't see that this is overly significant. Please note that the color swing is from +200 NT to -200 NT..(1 NT = 1T x 10 -9)
The Earth's magnetic field typically ranges between 3 and 5 T x 10 -5, at least according to Wikipedia. .I use a magnetic compass
as a backup only. The cost of satellite compasses today is very affordable. and some also have dead reckoning and a fluxgate built
in incase of signal loss. This beats the hell out of the donut you create when the autopilot is slewed to a fluxgate and you sail
over a sunken power cable. This can be very exciting.
Steve

"Larry" wrote in message ...
"Steve Lusardi" wrote in
:

It's wonderful, but how do you use it?
Steve

"Larry" wrote in message
...
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



I'm not sure. It's calibrated in nanoteslas + and - so there seems to
be pushing and pulling the card at various magnetic levels that keep
shifting, it seems. Zooming in on the Charleston-Savannah area, there
are several strong magnetic anomalies of BOTH directions.



This chart may also cause the compass to spin in both directions at
times....a very worrying condition:
http://www.kitco.com/images/live/gold.gif


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry



Larry February 25th 10 10:37 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 
"Steve Lusardi" wrote in
:

This beats the hell out of the donut you create when the autopilot is
slewed to a fluxgate and you sail over a sunken power cable. This can
be very exciting.


.....especially with a bulb on the bottom.....


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


mmc February 26th 10 12:34 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 

"Larry" wrote in message
...
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

Hi Larry!
We just did a job at Ft Jackson. Thought about scooting down to Chas but was
too wrapped up with work.
Hope you're well.



Wayne.B February 26th 10 01:52 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:11 -0500, "mmc" wrote:

We just did a job at Ft Jackson. Thought about scooting down to Chas but was
too wrapped up with work.


You haven't *really* been to Ft Jackson until youve gone through Basic
Training there. Fond memories of: Double time marching to the rifle
range through the sand barrens; running up Tank Hill and Drag Ass hill
with full combat gear; coming under "friendly fire" while on a work
detail; having a brick of RDX blow up near you on the combat
simulation course; being thrilled to get a weekend pass so you could
share a room at the Holliday Inn with 7 other guys; etc, etc.

Larry February 26th 10 07:40 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
"mmc" wrote in
g.com:


"Larry" wrote in message
...
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

Hi Larry!
We just did a job at Ft Jackson. Thought about scooting down to Chas
but was too wrapped up with work.
Hope you're well.




Work? Yecch! I retired last year after 50 years at the oars.....

I'm doing pretty well, actually. Daytrading stocks is lots of fun but
they cut off my SS check because I was too good at it last year.



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Larry February 26th 10 08:06 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
Wayne.B wrote in
:

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:11 -0500, "mmc" wrote:

We just did a job at Ft Jackson. Thought about scooting down to Chas
but was too wrapped up with work.


You haven't *really* been to Ft Jackson until youve gone through Basic
Training there. Fond memories of: Double time marching to the rifle
range through the sand barrens; running up Tank Hill and Drag Ass hill
with full combat gear; coming under "friendly fire" while on a work
detail; having a brick of RDX blow up near you on the combat
simulation course; being thrilled to get a weekend pass so you could
share a room at the Holliday Inn with 7 other guys; etc, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpKd-N71BfU

About 1969, one of my boyhood friends had joined the Army and was going
through basic training at Ft Gordon in Augusta, so I put on my best
dress blues as an ET1 (E-6 Electronic Technician) and went searching for
him at Gordon. I traced him through a few companies and met some nice
Army NCOs who helped me only to find he'd been transferred to Ft Jackson
in Columbia. So, back in my VW Campmobile and off to Columbia, no Joel
yet. Army guys kept saluting me, even senior sgts, because of my ET1
crow and hash mark, I suppose. It was embarrassing! I knew what Army
officers looked like! They should know what Navy officers look like!

At Ft Jackson, I had a similar great time and after a few more orderly
room searches found Joel painting another war mural on the walls of the
local mess. Joel's always been an excellent artist, since he was a
little boy. That was why he was still at Ft Jackson. They were handing
him off from place to place doing murals of wars he'd never seen.

The senior sgt in charge of his group gave him a weekend pass and I got
him out of the Army for a few days to renew our friendship that went
back to when we were babies. When I returned him to the post, the NCOs
invited me to eat some Army chow in their NCO mess, making quite a stir
as they had never seen a sailor in uniform of any rank/rate and didn't
quite know what to make of me, but were very curious about Navy life.
As I came off a surface ship, USS Everglades (AD-24), a destroyer tender
and had done a couple of Med and Caribbean cruises aboard her, I was
amazed at how little these Army guys knew, almost as if Army were afraid
they'd defect....(c;] Their major got wind of my visit and also had a
lot of strange questions about Navy life. These guys always flew to
combat or overseas duty. I left the NCO club late and drove back to
Charleston to work the next day.

The Army guys had my address and sent me some stuff they gave to
visiting VIPs and invited me to come up to their next dress parade
ceremony. 4 of us sailors, all dressed up in blues, invaded Ft Jackson
and were treated like VIPs by the NCOs at the ceremonies. They even
announced us on the PA system for the brass.

That was the last time I had any contact with Army until my father, an
infantryman in the Big Red 1 (First Division) fighting Germans in WW2
got invited to a great program whereby very old Army vets were paired up
with the newly graduated recruits and the Army showed the old vets what
it can do with today's weaponry and skills. My dad went every year and
talked about it for months until his death. THEY EVEN LET HIM DRIVE THE
TANK!, something he found quite amusing because the tankers wouldn't let
him anywhere near their tanks in WW2....(c;]

Thanks for the memories.....

We had no way of paying Army back for the honor of their ceremonies back
then. I would have loved to take some of those guys out to sea on the
ship and let them feast on the chow in the swells....

Larry


mmc February 26th 10 02:10 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:11 -0500, "mmc" wrote:

We just did a job at Ft Jackson. Thought about scooting down to Chas but
was
too wrapped up with work.


You haven't *really* been to Ft Jackson until youve gone through Basic
Training there. Fond memories of: Double time marching to the rifle
range through the sand barrens; running up Tank Hill and Drag Ass hill
with full combat gear; coming under "friendly fire" while on a work
detail; having a brick of RDX blow up near you on the combat
simulation course; being thrilled to get a weekend pass so you could
share a room at the Holliday Inn with 7 other guys; etc, etc.


Wouldn't it be great to set up a "survivor" type show around a month like
that instead of whining and back stabbing like they show now? Ha!
We were outside the wire, namely land on the North side that Ft Jackson has
given the VA for a new National Cemetery.



Bruce[_4_] February 26th 10 05:32 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:40:45 +0000, Larry wrote:

"mmc" wrote in
ng.com:


"Larry" wrote in message
...
http://www.geomag.us/models/WDMAM/WDMAM_NGDC_V1.1.pdf

No WONDER the damned compass won't compensate!



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

Hi Larry!
We just did a job at Ft Jackson. Thought about scooting down to Chas
but was too wrapped up with work.
Hope you're well.




Work? Yecch! I retired last year after 50 years at the oars.....

I'm doing pretty well, actually. Daytrading stocks is lots of fun but
they cut off my SS check because I was too good at it last year.



I see that you are selling the old Merci.... bought a new one with
your ill gotten gains?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Larry February 26th 10 06:21 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 
Bruce wrote in
:

I see that you are selling the old Merci.... bought a new one with
your ill gotten gains?


No, I'm shedding my excess vehicles. There's no reason for one man to
own 4 tax/insurance loads. I'm also considering unloading my customized
stepvan that's setup to be a combo office/electronics shop, powered and
air conditioned. Every time the insurance bill comes in, it seems less
convenient to own....

South Carolina has a real punative "personal property tax" on
boats/cars/trucks/planes/anything they can identify with a title. It
costs the state a fortune just in boats that won't ever be registered
here because of the tax loadings. I want a cute little Smart ForTwo
car, but am not willing to pay $1000/year in PP taxes just to own one.
It's certainly no way to save money from the mileage. Tax on an old car
is $12, so owning and repairing the old cars is much more sensible.



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Larry February 26th 10 06:22 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 
"mmc" wrote in
g.com:

Wouldn't it be great to set up a "survivor" type show around a month
like that instead of whining and back stabbing like they show now? Ha!
We were outside the wire, namely land on the North side that Ft
Jackson has given the VA for a new National Cemetery.



Just send them to Swamp LeJeune, NC or to the Marine boot camp at Beaufort,
SC, and let the South Carolina State Insect have at them. USMC has the
answer to "survivors"....(c;]



--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Bruce[_4_] February 27th 10 12:51 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:21:00 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce wrote in
:

I see that you are selling the old Merci.... bought a new one with
your ill gotten gains?


No, I'm shedding my excess vehicles. There's no reason for one man to
own 4 tax/insurance loads. I'm also considering unloading my customized
stepvan that's setup to be a combo office/electronics shop, powered and
air conditioned. Every time the insurance bill comes in, it seems less
convenient to own....

South Carolina has a real punative "personal property tax" on
boats/cars/trucks/planes/anything they can identify with a title. It
costs the state a fortune just in boats that won't ever be registered
here because of the tax loadings. I want a cute little Smart ForTwo
car, but am not willing to pay $1000/year in PP taxes just to own one.
It's certainly no way to save money from the mileage. Tax on an old car
is $12, so owning and repairing the old cars is much more sensible.


My annual vehicle tax, for my pickup and my wife's Honda, is in the
neighborhood of 2,500 Thai baht, or about US$ 78, a year. The
mandatory insurance is about TB 2,000 for the two cars.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Larry February 27th 10 04:04 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
Bruce wrote in
:

My annual vehicle tax, for my pickup and my wife's Honda, is in the
neighborhood of 2,500 Thai baht, or about US$ 78, a year. The
mandatory insurance is about TB 2,000 for the two cars.



I bet I could live quite comfortably on my $US928 Social Security pension
check in the country in Thailand.....


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Bruce[_4_] February 27th 10 12:51 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:04:50 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce wrote in
:

My annual vehicle tax, for my pickup and my wife's Honda, is in the
neighborhood of 2,500 Thai baht, or about US$ 78, a year. The
mandatory insurance is about TB 2,000 for the two cars.



I bet I could live quite comfortably on my $US928 Social Security pension
check in the country in Thailand.....



You could. It is about 30,000 baht. If you rented the usual one room
Thai "apartment" it will cost you about 3,000 baht a month. Food, if
you eat Thai food then probably 3 - 5$ a day.

For a collage grad starting at the bank, or company, this would be
higher then usual wages.

However... a Honda Jazz (I think that is a "Fit" in the US) costs
about $20,000 and as a foreigner you would not be able to get a loan.
A Honda "auto transmission" motorcycle is about $1100, but the bus,
subway and "sky train" is cheap.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Larry February 28th 10 05:38 AM

Compass reading wrong?
 
Bruce wrote in
:

A Honda "auto transmission" motorcycle is about $1100


The 250cc Honda Reflex (I have a 2004 I bought used) sold for $US6,600
in America....just for reference.

The same EXACT cycle missing its parking brake but adding an FM stereo
into the console made in Shenzhen, China in the SAME factory as my Honda
sells at a dealer here for $US2,895. It doesn't say Honda on it, of
course. The dealer services my Reflex and we compared them apart during
a recent tuneup he did for me at 13000 miles.....

I suppose the Tata Nano will show up in Thailand at some point. They'll
be in America but by the time they get here the dealers will have them
loaded up like a Smart ForTwo and priced at $22,800. We're not allowed
to buy a SIMPLE diesel Smart car in the USA.

http://tatanano.inservices.tatamotors.com/tatamotors/
$US2500, nicely loaded in India....
....it even passes the rigorous European crash tests!


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry


Bruce[_4_] February 28th 10 02:52 PM

Compass reading wrong?
 
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:38:01 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce wrote in
:

A Honda "auto transmission" motorcycle is about $1100


The 250cc Honda Reflex (I have a 2004 I bought used) sold for $US6,600
in America....just for reference.


A 250 cc motorcycle is a "big bike" in Thailand. I was talking about
the little 90 - 125cc step through Hondas. They are called "puying
hondas" (translation = girl honda).



The same EXACT cycle missing its parking brake but adding an FM stereo
into the console made in Shenzhen, China in the SAME factory as my Honda
sells at a dealer here for $US2,895. It doesn't say Honda on it, of
course. The dealer services my Reflex and we compared them apart during
a recent tuneup he did for me at 13000 miles.....


The Chinese not only make motorcycles, they make cars too. I saw one
the other day. Small three door, four seat, things with about a 950 cc
injected engine. A dealer had imported some and was marketing them as
a sort of trail balloon to see how the demand would be.

I suppose the Tata Nano will show up in Thailand at some point. They'll
be in America but by the time they get here the dealers will have them
loaded up like a Smart ForTwo and priced at $22,800. We're not allowed
to buy a SIMPLE diesel Smart car in the USA.


I don't know about Tata but the Malaysians are now building a small,
Honda Jaz sized car. I don't remember the cost but it is cheap.

http://tatanano.inservices.tatamotors.com/tatamotors/
$US2500, nicely loaded in India....
...it even passes the rigorous European crash tests!


US$2500 is quite a lot of money in India. If sold in America you'd
probably want to put another zero on the number.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


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