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help with boat that was sold illegally
I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone
else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person must get the title and registration info of the last person who registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded) keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time, up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell me how to contact the person who still has title and registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened out? |
help with boat that was sold illegally
wrote in message ... I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person must get the title and registration info of the last person who registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded) keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time, up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell me how to contact the person who still has title and registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened out? "the brother" and "his woman" are likely in on the deal.... It's very likely a stolen boat and you have been had... I hope you didn't spend to much money on the boat. Get the authorities involved, you might have a chance at getting your money back, however doubtful. Have you been able to contact the guy you bought in from in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave you bogus contact info? I'm not trying to be an ass, it just sounds like you are dealing with thieves to me... Good luck, JT |
help with boat that was sold illegally
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help with boat that was sold illegally
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:43:14 -0700, "JT"
wrote: wrote in message .. . I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person must get the title and registration info of the last person who registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded) keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time, up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell me how to contact the person who still has title and registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened out? "the brother" and "his woman" are likely in on the deal.... It's very likely a stolen boat and you have been had... I hope you didn't spend to much money on the boat. Get the authorities involved, you might have a chance at getting your money back, however doubtful. Have you been able to contact the guy you bought in from in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave you bogus contact info? I'm not trying to be an ass, it just sounds like you are dealing with thieves to me... The guy I bought it from signed a bill of sale and went with me to have it notorized. The people he got it from, who brought it here from FL, haven't provided anything and have refused to give me contact information on the supposed "brother" they got it from. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:55:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? It still has FL numbers and stickers on it, and a person I talked to down there said the most she could tell me is that it was last registered in 2002. She wouldn't give me contact info on them or even tell me their name, however. If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. I want to keep the boat and register it, not get my money back. I don't even want to cause problems for the people who sold it illegally to begin with...all I want is to get it registered in my name. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat, contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat with that number. That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that. Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get something accomplished. The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing with stolen merchandise. I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
wrote in message
... I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person must get the title and registration info of the last person who registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded) keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time, up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell me how to contact the person who still has title and registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened out? Oh, please! If you're too stupid to buy a boat without blotching the job, stop bothering, with all the sordid details, those of who don't need our hand held for every simple task. Buying a boat = a soap opera only if you're an idiot. -- Gregory Hall |
help with boat that was sold illegally
wrote in message ... I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person must get the title and registration info of the last person who registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded) keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time, up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell me how to contact the person who still has title and registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened out? Now that you know this information, if you DON'T go to the authorities immediately, you become a part of it. Maybe there is a way they can get clear paper for you. Quite a difference between you contacting them, and an officer doing same. Steve |
help with boat that was sold illegally
wrote I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. Sounds ugly already to me. |
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help with boat that was sold illegally
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:29:56 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale That should be good enough for Georgia. Are they refusing to register the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us? A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere. Um...well, not really. In CT, the registration stays in "inactive" mode as it's permanently assigned to any particular boat. I ran into this when I had the Chris Craft Corsair that I wanted to restore before I found all the rot in the fiberglass. In CT, an expired boat registration stays listed to the last known address of the previous owner. Our DMV will not release that information until you apply for it or file an FOIA request. That takes six weeks to "review". Once you get the owner's previous address, you have to send a certified letter to the owner explaining that you are now in possesion of the boat and they have to sign a release. If the letter is returned as undeliverable, then you can apply for a registration under your own name. The old registration number is still on the boat though - it's permanently assigned. The reason is interesting - boats are not subject to property tax in CT. Go figure - everything else in CT is. :) |
help with boat that was sold illegally
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale That should be good enough for Georgia. Are they refusing to register the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us? A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere. But the records are on file for long after the registration expires, and should be available. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat, contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat with that number. That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that. Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get something accomplished. The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing with stolen merchandise. I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. Sounds like the first bunch of fruitcakes didn't own the boat they sold which would make it hot. The guy that sold it to you didn't do it right. Just because he signed a bill of sale doesn't make him or the transaction legit. H didn't legally own the boat since he didn't have a FL title and guess what? Neither do you. Paying for stolen goods does not make them yours. It makes you a criminal. You should be looking out for your own ass, not his. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
On Oct 29, 6:31*am, "mmc" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? * Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat, contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat with that number. That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that. Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get something accomplished. This is stupid. If you have the name of the registered (in FL) owner and can contact them all you have to do is get them to apply for a replacement of a lost title, then have them sign it over to you. I doubt that there is any hanky panky going on at all. People are just lazy when they sell boats and dont always go through the correct procedure. I bought a boat in FL and brought it back to TX then transferred the title. We had some problems with paperwork lacking, but we worked it out in FL. The interesting thing was that Texas, my home state, screwed themselves out of a huge hunk of money. I wanted to buy the boat then get a Texas title on it and then sail it back to Texas. Texas was adamant that they had to have the boat in Texas before they could register it. They didn't explain how I was to get it from FL to TX without registration. If they had been willing to work with me they would have gotten the $2,500 in sales tax from the sale. They were not. So I registered it in FL, paid FL the sales tax, and sailed it home and transferred the title to Texas for a piddling fee. Texas could have had the $2500 sales tax if they had been more flexible. The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing with stolen merchandise. I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. Sounds like the first bunch of fruitcakes didn't own the boat they sold which would make it hot. The guy that sold it to you didn't do it right. Just because he signed a bill of sale doesn't make him or the transaction legit. H didn't legally own the boat since he didn't have a FL title and guess what? Neither do you. Paying for stolen goods does not make them yours. It makes you a criminal.. You should be looking out for your own ass, not his. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
"mmc" wrote in message g.com... wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat, contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat with that number. That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that. Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get something accomplished. The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing with stolen merchandise. I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. Sounds like the first bunch of fruitcakes didn't own the boat they sold which would make it hot. The guy that sold it to you didn't do it right. Just because he signed a bill of sale doesn't make him or the transaction legit. H didn't legally own the boat since he didn't have a FL title and guess what? Neither do you. Paying for stolen goods does not make them yours. It makes you a criminal. You should be looking out for your own ass, not his. At last, a reasonable man. Now's the time to either get clear paper to it, get clear of it, or have an officer turn up at your door with papers and handcuffs wanting the boat and taking custody of the OP for possession and interstate transportation of a stolen chattel (Dyer Act, a federal crime), or pay the man when one of the crazies involved in the plot comes back and sez they want their boat back and he's out the dough and the boat and may be fined. Steve |
help with boat that was sold illegally
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:29:56 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale That should be good enough for Georgia. In the "STATE OF GEORGIA BOAT REGISTRATION APPLICATION" it says: Prior out-of-state registration current or expired ~use transaction type~ New GA registration ~Required~ Notarized Bill of Sale with complete vessel information and buyer/seller information ~Required~ Valid registration card of the previous owner or letter from previous State registration office Title (only coming from Title States) Are they refusing to register the boat for some reason? Is there something you are not telling us? They told me to call FL. FL so far hasn't been any help, simply telling me I need to contact the previous owner. I know that, which is why I called them, but so far I haven't been able to find out how to contact the previous owner. A boat with expired registration is not registered anywhere. .. . . "current or expired" . . . |
help with boat that was sold illegally
"SteveB" wrote in message ... "mmc" wrote in message g.com... wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat, contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat with that number. That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that. Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get something accomplished. The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing with stolen merchandise. I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. Sounds like the first bunch of fruitcakes didn't own the boat they sold which would make it hot. The guy that sold it to you didn't do it right. Just because he signed a bill of sale doesn't make him or the transaction legit. H didn't legally own the boat since he didn't have a FL title and guess what? Neither do you. Paying for stolen goods does not make them yours. It makes you a criminal. You should be looking out for your own ass, not his. At last, a reasonable man. Now's the time to either get clear paper to it, get clear of it, or have an officer turn up at your door with papers and handcuffs wanting the boat and taking custody of the OP for possession and interstate transportation of a stolen chattel (Dyer Act, a federal crime), or pay the man when one of the crazies involved in the plot comes back and sez they want their boat back and he's out the dough and the boat and may be fined. Steve I agree Steve. Seems like there's always a hiccup or 3 with deals that seem too good to be true. |
help with boat that was sold illegally
"mmc" wrote in message g.com... "SteveB" wrote in message ... "mmc" wrote in message g.com... wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:00:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote: I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. How do you know it is titled in Florida? Do you know who is named on the title and/or registration, and can you contact them? If you can't resolve it that way and want your money back, I'd sue the seller in small claims court and let law enforcement handle the other details. If you have a Florida Registration number on the side of the boat, contact Florida find the last legitimate person to register the boat with that number. That's what the GA DNR suggested, but the FL DMV won't tell me anything about it. I asked them if they could at least tell me whether it was stolen or not and they wouldn't even say that. Working both ends, from the last legitimate owner and the person you purchased the boat from, you should be able to get something accomplished. The person you dealt with in the purchase could be guilty of dealing with stolen merchandise. I'd hate to see him get in any trouble since he tried to do it right, but since he provided me with a notorized bill of sale that might help him if things eventually get ugly. Sounds like the first bunch of fruitcakes didn't own the boat they sold which would make it hot. The guy that sold it to you didn't do it right. Just because he signed a bill of sale doesn't make him or the transaction legit. H didn't legally own the boat since he didn't have a FL title and guess what? Neither do you. Paying for stolen goods does not make them yours. It makes you a criminal. You should be looking out for your own ass, not his. At last, a reasonable man. Now's the time to either get clear paper to it, get clear of it, or have an officer turn up at your door with papers and handcuffs wanting the boat and taking custody of the OP for possession and interstate transportation of a stolen chattel (Dyer Act, a federal crime), or pay the man when one of the crazies involved in the plot comes back and sez they want their boat back and he's out the dough and the boat and may be fined. Steve I agree Steve. Seems like there's always a hiccup or 3 with deals that seem too good to be true. I thought so, too, when I recently bought a Lund. The husband was out of town working. I had the wife show up at DMV with a notarized bill of sale, which she did, and it flew right through. Nothing like having the primary parties together, and if they don't want to do that, it's just thank you very much and a quick hang-up of the phone. Steve |
help with boat that was sold illegally
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:17 -0400, wrote:
I'm in GA and bought a boat from someone who got it from someone else. It came from and is currently still registered in FL, where the someone else supposedly got it from "his brother". The person I got it from gave me a notorized bill of sale, but the someone else he got it from didn't give him anything, never has had the title and never has registered the boat. In GA in order to register a boat from a state where a title is required, a person must get the title and registration info of the last person who registered it. I've been in touch with the someone else a number The Florida Crime Information center. "Stolen License/Boat Decals Search" http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item...eDecalSearch.a "Stolen Boats Search" http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item...ayBoatSearch.a of times, but they (his woman is the only one who has responded) keep blowing me off and won't tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". To me it seems that they took the boat across state lines and then sold it illegally, which also seems that it should have a penalty of a minimum fine and possibly jail time, up to a maximum fine and maximum jail time, but I haven't been able to find out what the penalty is. Might it even be a federal offense? I've mentioned that if they continue to refuse to tell me how to contact the person who still has title and registration, that I'll report the illegal sale to the DNR and also to the police if it comes down to that, but they apparently don't believe any authorities would do anything or they would rather face the authorities than tell me how to get in touch with "the brother". Before I actually do contact the DNR, FL DMV, and possibly the police about the illegal sale, does anyone have any suggestions about a better way of getting this mess straightened out? |
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