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Captains License?
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack)
next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? |
Captains License?
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the test. Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go "splat!" Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license. -- KLC Lewis Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations! www.KLCLewisStudios.com |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the test. Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go "splat!" Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license. -- KLC Lewis Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations! www.KLCLewisStudios.com This is basically correct. Additional pros.. personal satisfaction, if you desire to teach through a reputable program, you will almost certainly be required to have the minimum license (OUPV = Six pack). Additional con.. there are costs associated with getting a license, e.g., the TWIC card (~$135/5 yrs.) and CG licensing fees ($200 one-time, then a renewal every 5 years of less than that), not to mention insurance cost difference. Oh, and there's a diff in the legal alcohol limit. https://twicprogram.tsa.dhs.gov/TWICWebApp/ http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/ -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"slide" wrote in message
... cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. Self study is valuable, but taking the class would give a wider perspective to the rules of the road, plotting, etc., than is gained otherwise, IMHO. As far as legal goes, I would amend your statement to say in "most" instances if you're the person in command. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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cavelamb wrote:
Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. |
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slide wrote:
cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? A captain's license by itself these days does not qualify you to receive pay from passengers. The Big Brother govt. recently added another requirement that makes a stand-alone captain's license good for wiping your arse and that's about it. You will need to subject yourself to a govt. dog and pony show (much of it duplicating captain's license requirements) to get the required Transportation Workers Identification Credential card to make your captain's license legal for carrying passengers for hire. Tell Big Brother to go **** himself like I did. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? You can lie about your past drug abuse, and still get your license. You can pick up a lot of guys in the sailing classes that you teach. Those young studs will really be impressed with your license. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Not mentioned on the ASA site... http://www.asa.com/instructors/instructor_clinics.html US Sailing requirements... http://training.ussailing.org/Teachi...rerequ isites Candidates holding a current USCG full or limited Master's or OUPV license are exempt from this requirement. Candidates have a responsibility to meet the boating laws of the state where the course is being held prior to being able to operate a powerboat in conjunction with the course. This is a new requirement. Please bring your certificate to the course. |
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"ElmerF." wrote in message ...
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? You can lie about your past drug abuse, and still get your license. You can pick up a lot of guys in the sailing classes that you teach. Those young studs will really be impressed with your license. Well, what do you know, a Gaynze sock! Wilbur Hubbard |
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JG,
Sorry if that came across as abrupt. I was interrupted by the dinner bell. I suspect the requirements don't include a Captains ticket because one would be working under the umbrella of the school. If one were to open a new school, you would probably be right. Richard |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Not mentioned on the ASA site... http://www.asa.com/instructors/instructor_clinics.html US Sailing requirements... http://training.ussailing.org/Teachi...rerequ isites Candidates holding a current USCG full or limited Master's or OUPV license are exempt from this requirement. Candidates have a responsibility to meet the boating laws of the state where the course is being held prior to being able to operate a powerboat in conjunction with the course. This is a new requirement. Please bring your certificate to the course. Interesting that it isn't. It's a Federal requirement (USCG). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... JG, Sorry if that came across as abrupt. I was interrupted by the dinner bell. I suspect the requirements don't include a Captains ticket because one would be working under the umbrella of the school. If one were to open a new school, you would probably be right. Richard Not at all... I have my priorities also. :) The school requires it, generally. I can't think of a commercial school that doesn't. One of them didn't know about the TWIC requirement (it was fairly hidden at the beginning), but as soon as they learned about it, they broadcast it to the instructors. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... JG, Sorry if that came across as abrupt. I was interrupted by the dinner bell. I suspect the requirements don't include a Captains ticket because one would be working under the umbrella of the school. If one were to open a new school, you would probably be right. Richard Not at all... I have my priorities also. :) The school requires it, generally. I can't think of a commercial school that doesn't. One of them didn't know about the TWIC requirement (it was fairly hidden at the beginning), but as soon as they learned about it, they broadcast it to the instructors. I'll call the school owner tomorrow and find out what the deal is. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... JG, Sorry if that came across as abrupt. I was interrupted by the dinner bell. I suspect the requirements don't include a Captains ticket because one would be working under the umbrella of the school. If one were to open a new school, you would probably be right. Richard Not at all... I have my priorities also. :) The school requires it, generally. I can't think of a commercial school that doesn't. One of them didn't know about the TWIC requirement (it was fairly hidden at the beginning), but as soon as they learned about it, they broadcast it to the instructors. I'll call the school owner tomorrow and find out what the deal is. Probably a good idea... I do know one place out here that lets you "work" while you get your license. They typically have you on non-powered boats or shadowing a licensed instructor. Same thing goes with ASA/USSailing certs. You "work" off someone else's cert until you get yours. I believe USSailing gives them 16 mos., but don't quote me. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Not mentioned on the ASA site... http://www.asa.com/instructors/instructor_clinics.html US Sailing requirements... http://training.ussailing.org/Teachi...rerequ isites Candidates holding a current USCG full or limited Master's or OUPV license are exempt from this requirement. Candidates have a responsibility to meet the boating laws of the state where the course is being held prior to being able to operate a powerboat in conjunction with the course. This is a new requirement. Please bring your certificate to the course. Interesting that it isn't. It's a Federal requirement (USCG). Only if taking "compensation". Otherwise, it's not required... |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Not mentioned on the ASA site... http://www.asa.com/instructors/instructor_clinics.html US Sailing requirements... http://training.ussailing.org/Teachi...rerequ isites Candidates holding a current USCG full or limited Master's or OUPV license are exempt from this requirement. Candidates have a responsibility to meet the boating laws of the state where the course is being held prior to being able to operate a powerboat in conjunction with the course. This is a new requirement. Please bring your certificate to the course. Interesting that it isn't. It's a Federal requirement (USCG). Only if taking "compensation". Otherwise, it's not required... Of course. Most USSailing and ASA courses are for money. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Not mentioned on the ASA site... http://www.asa.com/instructors/instructor_clinics.html US Sailing requirements... http://training.ussailing.org/Teachi...rerequ isites Candidates holding a current USCG full or limited Master's or OUPV license are exempt from this requirement. Candidates have a responsibility to meet the boating laws of the state where the course is being held prior to being able to operate a powerboat in conjunction with the course. This is a new requirement. Please bring your certificate to the course. Interesting that it isn't. It's a Federal requirement (USCG). Only if taking "compensation". Otherwise, it's not required... Of course. Most USSailing and ASA courses are for money. Probably. I've not paid anything for my ratings, but that's a special case. The owner is a good friend and just wanted me to be able to teach. Altruism is so suspect these days. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Not mentioned on the ASA site... http://www.asa.com/instructors/instructor_clinics.html US Sailing requirements... http://training.ussailing.org/Teachi...rerequ isites Candidates holding a current USCG full or limited Master's or OUPV license are exempt from this requirement. Candidates have a responsibility to meet the boating laws of the state where the course is being held prior to being able to operate a powerboat in conjunction with the course. This is a new requirement. Please bring your certificate to the course. Interesting that it isn't. It's a Federal requirement (USCG). Only if taking "compensation". Otherwise, it's not required... Of course. Most USSailing and ASA courses are for money. Probably. I've not paid anything for my ratings, but that's a special case. The owner is a good friend and just wanted me to be able to teach. Altruism is so suspect these days. I agree with that for sure. As long as you or the company isn't being paid (or no engine or in a couple of other special situations), then there's no doubt you can teach without a license. I volunteer a lot these days, which is good for me and, one hopes, the students who can't afford a regular class. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:20:59 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: I volunteer a lot these days, which is good for me and, one hopes, the students who can't afford a regular class. Pro bono sailing instruction. Cool. How will they afford to go sailing? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:20:59 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I volunteer a lot these days, which is good for me and, one hopes, the students who can't afford a regular class. Pro bono sailing instruction. Cool. How will they afford to go sailing? I think in some cases they're just testing the waters. I know that a few of the people who've taken the "free" classes have gone on to take the full-blown courses. Some are kids from poor homes. Also, money really isn't a requirement for sailing, as there are lots of crew opportunities. Boat ownership is, of course, a different matter. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Jul 29, 7:01*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "cavelamb" wrote in message om... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the test. Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go "splat!" Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license. -- KLC Lewis Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations! www.KLCLewisStudios.com This is basically correct. Additional pros.. personal satisfaction, if you desire to teach through a reputable program, you will almost certainly be required to have the minimum license (OUPV = Six pack). Additional con.. there are costs associated with getting a license, e.g., the TWIC card (~$135/5 yrs.) and CG licensing fees ($200 one-time, then a renewal every 5 years of less than that), not to mention insurance cost difference. Oh, and there's a diff in the legal alcohol limit. And dont for get the physical $100+ and the DOT drug test and mmd now called a MMCredential optional but why not which will have your Master/OICNW STCW. bla bla bla and .... |
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On Jul 29, 7:01*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "cavelamb" wrote in message om... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the test. Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go "splat!" Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license. -- KLC Lewis Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations! www.KLCLewisStudios.com This is basically correct. Oh, and by the way you aint gonna get a fancy 25 grt Master license to hang on your wall anymore........... its gone. Now all you get is the Mercant Mariner's Credential..... a passport looking thingy. |
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On Jul 30, 6:42*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. now is that INLAND or NEAR COAST? So ya lied on the Small Service Form about all that time on your 29' sailboat???? Good-on! Lets see, "... a day over 5 GRT will get you 50 ton. BOb |
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50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze: LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA 100 grt/200 grt Near Coast AB Unlimited, RFPNW Next stop 1600 GRT Mate Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/ 180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye over a bit.... Argg...! What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only a day or two longer and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go work for a living :) Bob |
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On Aug 12, 8:37*am, Bob wrote:
50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze: LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA 100 grt/200 grt Near Coast AB Unlimited, RFPNW Next stop 1600 GRT Mate Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/ 180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye over a bit.... Argg...! What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only a day or two longer *and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go work for a living :) Bob Hey Bob..I saw you attacking Rob's wife.. Are you like that fellow who hates all women because of constant rejection? The loser who murdered all the women at the gym? Seems like it to me..... I mean why would you attack a woman you do not know? Did it make you feel more manly?. You define "chicken****" and "douchbag" IMO. I doubt anyone will turn a boat over to you. If you just got an unlimited AB you have a very long road ahead, 3+ years underway for a 1600 masters. Thats going to take you 6 years most likely. You are crying like a little baby tossing 3" lines...ya will never make it "Slave"/green horn. A crew boat would beat you to death. Sheeze you're not able to toss a 3"nylon or poly line with out crying about it. Crewboats take more skill and agility to run than any other type of boats in the field no, you will be up against 20 and 30 yo Captns with more time in the field. A little douchbag like you who thinks it's funny when a person loses a boat will get what you deserve at sea. I've know a dozen Captains that have lost boats, crew members, and have had very serious injuries. None of it is a joke, it is part of the job.. Only a stupid greenhorn, asshole, know it all, like you thinks it's funny. Again..what comes around will go around. Most likely you are a liar and have never set foot on any anchor boat, we all know you use a sock puppet to hide behind, because you are not man enough to be real. Stay behind momma's skirt "Bob" you can not handle the real world. Joe |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze: LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA 100 grt/200 grt Near Coast AB Unlimited, RFPNW Next stop 1600 GRT Mate Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/ 180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye over a bit.... Argg...! What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only a day or two longer and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go work for a living :) Bob I think it's time everybody stopped beating up poor Joe for his being unable to complete a simple voyage from Belize to Texas without sinking his beloved "Red Cloud." After all, when you spend thousands upon thousands of hours at sea as a professional captain like Joe has, sooner or later you will end up having a mishap or two. The odds just piled up against poor Joe. He couldn't help it. There was nothing he could have done to prevent that storm of the century, early winter, cold front from sinking his boat. Let's look at it closer. 1) Since Joe obviously is a motorboater and not a blowboater his diesel was the only thing he was used to relying on. He was told over and over again by this author that pilothouse sailboats were dangerous and not suited to an extended ocean voyage. I guess a motorboater must have his pilothouse, nonetheless . . . 2) Joe never developed adequate sailing skills and strategy because of his overreliance on the diesel. He obviously knew nothing about sailing standards and protocol. That football stadium sized American flag sort of tells the whole sordid tale. 3) When the diesel failed Joe still kept the diesel mentality which told him to bash to weather at all costs. Stick to the schedule. Muscle his way through. 4) Poor Joe just didn't have what it takes to be a real sailor despite his constant bragging about his sailing prowess. Like most of the good folks who post to RBC, poor Joe is just another motorhead trying to be seen as a sailor. He thought he could pull the wool over everybody's eyes with his bullcrap but when push came to shove his inadequately prepared and crewed motorsail boat was prematurely abandoned and pushed and shoved all the way to the bottom of the Gulf. So, please give motorboat Joe a break. It wasn't his fault. It was simply HIS turn to be sunk by a little ole Gulf cold front. If even the most competent of us real sailors who know how to sail and who know sailing strategy and sailing preparation get sunk once in a while why should it be expected that Joe NOT to be an eventual victim? I guess I should thank MY lucky stars that after thousands of miles of ocean voyaging under pure sail that I haven't sunk a boat to date. I'm sure skill and preparation has NOTHING to do with it. It's just the luck of the draw. Yup! That's the ticket. Wilbur Hubbard |
Captains License?
"Bob" wrote in message
... On Jul 29, 7:01 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "cavelamb" wrote in message om... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the test. Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go "splat!" Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license. -- KLC Lewis Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations! www.KLCLewisStudios.com This is basically correct. Additional pros.. personal satisfaction, if you desire to teach through a reputable program, you will almost certainly be required to have the minimum license (OUPV = Six pack). Additional con.. there are costs associated with getting a license, e.g., the TWIC card (~$135/5 yrs.) and CG licensing fees ($200 one-time, then a renewal every 5 years of less than that), not to mention insurance cost difference. Oh, and there's a diff in the legal alcohol limit. And dont for get the physical $100+ and the DOT drug test and mmd now called a MMCredential optional but why not which will have your Master/OICNW STCW. bla bla bla and .... Typically, most health insurance programs cover an annual physical. (You need a hearing and eye test also, btw.) The drug test is via an approved facility or you can get a Maritime Consortium card if your employer offers it (in that case no cost, since the employer pays). Of course, you're right. For higher licenses there are higher costs. Too bad about the "new" credential. I hadn't heard that. The good news is that you get to keep your old license document to hang on the wall. The new one will make it easier to carry the license with you (the original, not a copy). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Captains License?
"Bob" wrote in message
... On Jul 30, 6:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. now is that INLAND or NEAR COAST? So ya lied on the Small Service Form about all that time on your 29' sailboat???? Good-on! Lets see, "... a day over 5 GRT will get you 50 ton. BOb ?? Are you playing dumb? You answered your question yourself. I have a 50GT inland and an OUPV Near Coastal. FYI, it's a 30'. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. Argg since we are hanging our peckers out for all to gaze: LIVE FROM FOUCHON LOUISIANA 100 grt/200 grt Near Coast AB Unlimited, RFPNW Next stop 1600 GRT Mate Its pretty knarly in the oilpatch i get to tie-up the boat (900+GRT/ 180+') using 3" nylon..... try humping that around n tossing an eye over a bit.... Argg...! What can you do with a OUPV? not much get the Master License its only a day or two longer and then you can be a crewboat Captain like whats his name of the SUNK Red Clown..... Hell you can get your MMC and go work for a living :) Bob Unless you have an inspected vessel or serve on one, the OUPV is totally adequate for teaching sailing, which is what the question was about. It doesn't matter what license you have if you teach on an uninspected vessel. You're limited by the 6-pack restrictions. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Captains License?
On Aug 12, 1:09*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... On Jul 30, 6:42 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message om... slide wrote: cavelamb wrote: Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? I would take the course if one were offered near me just to gain the information. Self study isn't always good enough because you don't know what to study. Legal: in theory, you will have more expertise than others so in some instances you can't plead ignorance. No argument about that... I started out with a Coast Guard ticket in the mid '70s while on active duty in the Navy. In the last year I've taken most of the ASA classes. My next step with ASA is an instructor rating :). I was thinking about the 6pack course to get a Captains ticket, but I don't really need it for what I'm doing. It is not needed to teach through ASA. Still considering it, but will probably pass this time. Maybe some day though... But I'm curious how many of our local experts have a Captains license? Or even training from a school like ASA? Richard Most schools, either ASA or USSailing, will require a CG license if you're teaching on a boat with an engine. 50GT here with sailing and towing endorsements. now is that INLAND or NEAR COAST? So ya lied on the Small Service Form about all that time on your 29' sailboat???? Good-on! Lets see, "... a day over 5 GRT will get you 50 ton. BOb ?? Are you playing dumb? He's not playing... Joe You answered your question yourself. I have a 50GT inland and an OUPV Near Coastal. FYI, it's a 30'. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Aug 12, 9:30*am, Joe wrote:
*Hey Bob..I saw you attacking Rob's wife.. Are you like that fellow who hates all *women because of constant rejection? The loser who murdered all the women at the gym? NOt sure what youre taking about Joe. Everyone on the boat watches FOX News... i dont watch that crap. so im a bit behind in the sinsational news. Seems like it to me..... I mean why would you attack a woman you do not know? Did it make you feel more manly?. You define "chicken****" and "douchbag" IMO. Huh? Still dont know what youre talking about........... *I doubt anyone will turn a boat over to you. If you just got an unlimited AB you have a very long road ahead, 3+ years underway for a 1600 masters. Thats going to take you 6 years most likely. Never said I wanted to get a 1600 master let alone drvie one. Besides life in bayou sucks. It sucked in 1980-84 when I was diving down here. the only diffrence is im not getting served before a nive black lady infornt of me at a grocery store. * You are crying like a little baby tossing 3" lines...ya will never make it "Slave"/green horn. To be honest Joe, I think youre memory is waning. Looking at the Seacor Fast XXXXX that just tied up a few feet away uses somthing much lighter. Ill go ask after this but it looks like 2" or maybe 1 1/2" A crew boat would beat you to death. Sheeze you're not able to toss a 3"nylon or poly line with out crying about it. * NOpe just do it. Crewboats take more skill and agility to run than any other type of boats in the field no, you will be up against 20 and 30 yo Captns with more time in the field. Okay Joe here is what Ive been told every step of the way............ DONT get on a 100 ton boat. that is were all the loosers go who cant do anything else. The deck hands dont evern need a MMC. The walk off the street cause they got fired from Burger King. Now for the operators....... they do enough time on deck to attend a master prep school down in the bayou where teh questions are READ to the guys cause most cant read! Now let me tell ya about the fat ignorant ****s that work on 100 ton boats. I spent 3 weeks on two diffrent 100 ton utilitiy boats and never met such a bunch of morbidly obease functionally illerate bozos in all my life. We got an "enjuneer" over here for a couple weeks. He wipped his ass with paper towls and tossed it in the trash container in the head. I just couldnt figure out why it always stunk like **** in the heads..... The same enjuneer saw me flossing my teeth on deck while enjoying a sun rise. He said, wut u doin? I said flossing. he had no idea what floss was........ Gods absolute truth ! so sad but so obvious when you look at the 342 lb guy with 8 teeth. * A little douchbag like you who thinks it's funny when a person loses a boat will get what you deserve at sea. I dont think its funny. Its terrible waste of a boat. Im just shocked at the arrogance and pride those knuckle heads have. trust me, it takes a lot more skill sailing a sailboat safely and effectlly compared to some coonass or fat ass texan driving a crewboat. I've know a dozen Captains that have lost boats, crew members, and have had very serious injuries. I rest my case ! Ive watched dozens of captains opperate down here and there is a systemic lack of seamanship and professionalism. None of it is a joke, it is part of the job.. Only a stupid greenhorn, asshole, know it all, like you thinks it's funny. Not funny Joe............................ sad. Again..what comes around will go around. *Most likely you are a liar and have never set foot on any anchor boat, we all know you use a sock puppet to hide behind, because you are not man enough to be real. Stay behind momma's skirt "Bob" you can not handle the real world. Joe its pretty easy to suceed here. Im way over 50 years old out worked every 20-30 year old ive worked with so far. They are all fat and smoke. The ones who arent fat smoke and simply lack any work ethic. Bob |
Captains License?
On Aug 12, 11:41*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Wilbur Hubbard Nah BOb |
Captains License?
On Aug 12, 12:07*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... On Jul 29, 7:01 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "KLC Lewis" wrote in message news:H7SdnZNaeb2WeO3XnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@centurytel. net... "cavelamb" wrote in message om... Our local marina is hosting a Captain's License course (six pack) next month. Other than being able to charge passengers for passage, what would be a good reason to have a captains ticket. Also? What's the legal down side? Pro: You're bound to learn something worth knowing in preparing for the test. Con: What the Government giveth, the Government can taketh away. And being a "Professional" carries an extra load of responsibility should the fan go "splat!" Alternative: Take the course, refuse the license. -- KLC Lewis Irrefutable photographic proof of alien visitations! www.KLCLewisStudios.com This is basically correct. Additional pros.. personal satisfaction, if you desire to teach through a reputable program, you will almost certainly be required to have the minimum license (OUPV = Six pack). Additional con.. there are costs associated with getting a license, e.g.., the TWIC card (~$135/5 yrs.) and CG licensing fees ($200 one-time, then a renewal every 5 years of less than that), not to mention insurance cost difference. Oh, and there's a diff in the legal alcohol limit. And dont for get the physical $100+ and the DOT drug test and mmd now called a MMCredential optional but why not which will have your Master/OICNW STCW. bla bla bla and .... Typically, most health insurance programs cover an annual physical. (You need a hearing and eye test also, btw.) The drug test is via an approved facility or you can get a Maritime Consortium card if your employer offers it (in that case no cost, since the employer pays). Of course, you're right. For higher licenses there are higher costs. Too bad about the "new" credential. I hadn't heard that. The good news is that you get to keep your old license document to hang on the wall. The new one will make it easier to carry the license with you (the original, not a copy). "j" ganz Ya, they look pretty cool. Oh well.......... Bob |
Captains License?
*Most likely you are a liar and have never set foot on any anchor boat, we all know you use a sock puppet to hide behind, because you are not man enough to be real. Joe Joe Im flattered ! You actually read my posts and remember them. Its been a few months since I mentioned i worked on a 4 point boat. Thank you for caring. Bob |
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