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Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
Making ready to bid Lucaya a fond farewell, I did my usual engine checks. Hmmm. That fan belt I'd bragged on - and just tightened - so recently was very stretched out. Since I'd just tightened it, that was a clear sign that it was on its last revolutions. As we had a fairly long passage, including a Gulf Stream Crossing ahead of us, I might find it useful to have the engine running. Accordingly, I put a hold on the countdown and changed the alternator belt. As it's behind the raw water belt, one must first remove that, but as many times as I've had the raw water pump off lately, this was a walk in the park. Ten minutes later we resumed our countdown. We cast off our lines from the poles we'd borrowed, and at 7PM, headed for the entrance to Port Lucaya. The exit was a bit fussy, as it wasn't full tide, but we saw nothing less than 9 feet and basically followed our track we'd made on the way in a few days ago out past all the buoys. Because of the way the island lays, we weren't able to make a direct run to our destination, but the nature of the shoreline and sea bottom was such that we hugged the coast pretty closely. By the time we got to Freeport, it was full dark and the oil platforms and pilot ships were very brilliantly lit. We made sure to give them a wide berth, and enjoyed viewing the large ships moving into the area from a reasonable distance. As we approached West End, about 9PM, we heard one of our recent acquaintances hailing us on the VHF. They wondered how we were doing, and I wondered back about their anticipated departure the following day, as conditions were supposed to worsen by dawn. We'd later wonder how they made out, given our experiences. Once clear of Grand Bahama Island, we set a rhumb line for Saint Simons Island. The weather was forecast to be good for the Gulf Stream, and I wanted to ride it as far as we could before getting off. Our acquaintances, also Chris Parker clients, were very concerned about the western wall of the Gulf Stream, wanting to stay close to it to jump out in case of a reversal of the primarily southerly wind. (The Gulf Stream runs roughly north, with up to 3.5 knots of speed. When that's hit by a north wind, things can get very uncomfortable quickly due to the wind against the current producing what's known as "square" waves - very short period [the time between waves] and very steep angles. *Lots* of north wind makes for not only discomfort but also potentially dangerous circumstances. Most sailors won't go out in the Gulf Stream with a wind that has "N" anywhere in it.) We made about 7 knots pretty consistently for the first several hours. Lydia thought we must have been in the Stream, but listening to the forecasts showed that we were still some 18 miles east of the eastern wall, so our speed was due to our clean bottom and easy wind. Unfortunately, the wind got even easier, about 10 knots, by 4AM, and the sea state's rock and roll made for a lively ride, despite our speed of under 5 knots. When the occasional puffs arrived, we got back up to 7 knots, but they were infrequent. We estimated arrival in the Gulf Stream somewhere between 7 and 9AM, and, sure enough, about 7AM our speed picked up to 7.1 knots, no thanks to the wind. As we moved further into the Gulf Stream, our speed over ground continued to build, and by 10AM we were making mid-8 to low-9 knot progress, with the wind at only 8-10 knots. By 1PM, the wind had shifted to nearly south. Dead downwind is the least efficient point of sail, but if you have the main out to one side, and the genoa out to the other, sometimes you can make very good progress. We tried to use our spinnaker pole, but the pin which releases it from the deck mount, and from the sheets on the sail in case you have to get it off quickly, had frozen (well, seized), as it does if it's not used frequently. I got out the loosen-er-up and gave it a shot, waiting for another day. In the meantime, we prevented the main, and did the best we could with the genoa. The rolling made for a pretty floppy sail, though, and a lot of pressure as it filled each time it rolled back the other way from its dousing at the hands of the waves. So, unlike the pretty pictures you see of the sailboat going downwind on a perfectly calm sea, genoa full and main out to the other side, a wing and wing configuration, I characterized ours as wing and flop :{)) However, we were still making 7-8 knots speed over ground, and by 4PM, the spinnaker pole's seizure had abated. Accordingly, we put the genoa out on the pole, albeit with more effort than usual, a curiosity which didn't strike me until later. That made for a much quieter, and somewhat faster ride, of course. No sooner had we stabilized than we caught our Mahi for dinner. Fortunately, the seas, while rolling a bit, were soft, so I got myself into my harness and out on the platform to clean the 30-incher. I'm getting much better at filleting, now, and we had a very substantial portion to put into the marinade. At least three meals from her. No sooner had I gotten cleaned up than I saw that our pole needed some adjustment for better orientation of the clew (the part at the end of the sail) - it was too low the way I set it first. I tried, but couldn't make it go any higher. DANG! The pole lift (the part connected to the end of the pole that controls the height of the sail end) was fouled around the radar. Fortunately, at 6PM, I was able to clear the foul, and, once again, the end of the pole went up and down easily. Small victories :{)) Because we'd been in very overcast, mostly calm conditions in Lucaya, our batteries were a bit low due to the lack of solar and wind assistance, so we turned on the iron genny to charge up a bit. Checking to see how my exhaust system kludge was working, I saw water, again! This time it was a fitting in the cooling water riser. Off comes the engine, and I root around in my plumbing bin until I find a part that will work, make the repair, and start again. No leak. Another small victory, but I'll have to lay in some more spares when I get ashore, as that was the last of the type I had. By 8:30, we were motor-sailing. I did the calculations and found that we'd made 170 miles in our first 24 hours, very good, indeed, given the circumstances. It looks as though our Savannah-bound folks were right, and it would be a fairly quick trip. That evening had us making high 10 to low 11 knots over ground, in estimated 15-18 knot south wind, which was lovely to experience. By 11PM, we were making 11-12 knots in an estimated 15-20 knots. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, after more than 24 hours of never spontaneously going into standby, at 1AM we had multiple instances of our autopilot taking a vacation. The boat's response was to instantly turn into the genoa, trying to put us in irons. I was pretty busy controlling it, and finally gave up and manually steered for a while, still making 11-12 knots. At the 2:AM watch change, when Lydia took over, the winds were building, but all was still well when I went down to sleep. The motion was still rock and roll, but manageable for my sleep. However, I was awakened at about 3:30 by the sense that all was not well. In addition to our rock and roll, suddenly (well, maybe not suddenly, but it's what woke me) we were also slewing notably from side to side, and the rolls were getting more pronounced. I was instantly awake and on deck. As the wind built, so did the seas, and we were no longer roughly in phase with them. That creates a condition where, if it becomes severe enough, you can have an induced broach. Dinghy sailors call it the death roll because each successive roll becomes worse, and each successive yaw increases; eventually, the keel catches broadside to a wave, and suddenly you're on your side. In our case, it would mean either the genoa pole or the boom would be hit with the massive force of the water pushed by our 40,000 pounds moving at up to, I later learned, 13.3 knots. That was not a circumstance I was eager to experience. We had to get the genoa furled. We estimate that the wind had built to 25-30 knots, and the seas to 6-8', contributing to the yawing we were doing as we slid down one side of a wave, and up another. The sea state was significant enough that before I even got started, the life raft came flying off the perch on the deck (in the cockpit, behind the dodger), along with all the starboard cushions in one of the port rolls. The rest of the cushions followed suit as it rolled back to starboard. That had me pretty focused on getting it in, and I knew I'd need to use the winch on our furling line due to all the pressure on the genoa. Our spinnaker pole setup is such that the genoa can be furled with it in place, and, in my urgency to get it in, I overlooked one very crucial point in rolling up a genoa in high winds (well, always, but especially so in these conditions). That is, in addition to controlling the sheet which is pulling on the sail, you have to keep slight tension on the other one, the "lazy sheet" - which in this case, with the genoa flapping mightily, wasn't lazy at all. Instead, both sheets were tangling with both the other sheet and the sail itself as they flailed. The end result was to have the sheets foul as we wound in the genoa, and we were presented with an hourglassed genoa. That's where part of it's furled, but the top and bottom aren't, and those are flapping away. Well, nothing to do but turn on the spreader and foredeck lights and go out there and try to get it fixed. Things were, to be charitable, pretty busy out there, so I had to clip in at the bow to one of the lifeline strong points, which severely limited my movement. After trying mightily, and failing, to undo the foul, I had Lydia run downwind to try to blanket the genoa as much as possible with the main. Of course, we're still in the Gulf Stream, and moving north inexorably, but now, since the wind has changed to southeast - and increasing - we have to go offshore, as well, when we do that. That maneuver didn't materially alter the situation out on the deck. I'm a pretty strong guy, but there was no way I was going to win against the howling wind in trying to make the sail unfurl to the point where I could unfoul the sheets. Eventually, I gave up and tried to lash it with the spinnaker halyard. That's a process we go through whenever we expect a major blow; it keeps the edges of the furled sail from getting caught by the wind, getting wind under it, and eventually causing damage. My thought was that I might be able to get around the balloon above, similar to dousing the spinnaker with the sock, and eventually get it controlled enough that it wouldn't be fully loose. No such luck. The spinnaker halyard was nearly instantly captured inside a fold of sail, one I couldn't make come out. After many tries of hurling our anchor snubber's stainless steel end over a gap in the sail at the clew, in order to pull it down, flattening the open section a bit, some of which included being bonked in the head several times when I missed, that part succeeded, but didn't materially improve matters. Next try, pole lift. Meanwhile, I'm crawling along the deck, clipped to the jackline on a very short leash, to get back to it, and then back to the bow. I have some, but very little, better success with the pole lift. Since I'm tethered right there, on a violently pitching deck, I can't do what I'd ordinarily do, which is to get a turn over the sail, and then walk it down the deck, back over the deck and again forward, all the while keeping tension on it. The result is a very poor compromise, but it's the best we can do. The unrestrained remainder of the ballooned portion of the sail flapped and flailed mightily, leading to visions of forestay failure, but we had nothing else we could effectively do other than to press on. Of course, the knowledge that our rig had survived an estimated 3-5000 impacts during our wreck gave us a little confidence that it would also survive this :{)) Just after dawn, I'd done all I could do, and we turned back to the West. As is usually the case, I see I've succumbed to logorrhea, and will leave you here, pitching, rolling, with the building seas and winds. Stay tuned! L8R Skip and crew -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:44:15 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: As the wind built, so did the seas, and we were no longer roughly in phase with them. That creates a condition where, if it becomes severe enough, you can have an induced broach. The solution, of course, is to not run dead down wind in a heavy breeze. The problem goes away if you harden up to a broad reach with jib and main on the same side. The rolling stops and speed generally improves. You will need to jibe once in a while but that's a small price to pay for a safer, more comfortable point of sail. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
The solution, of course, is to not run dead down wind in a heavy
breeze. The problem goes away if you harden up to a broad reach with jib and main on the same side. The rolling stops and speed generally improves. You will need to jibe once in a while but that's a small price to pay for a safer, more comfortable point of sail. Agreed - but the genny was poled to the needed windward side, thus the rolling it in - only precipitated by the situation; we'd have done that fairly soon anyway. And, in our case, with all the rock and roll, a full broad reach (nothing further than ~130) is needed for the genny not to be blanketed. As we were due to turn that way anyway, what we were doing would have had us as you've described. Unfortunately, by the time I got it dealt with (over 2 hours) we'd not only gone a long way north, but also a long way east... Stay tuned for the finale... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:16:30 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: Stay tuned for the finale... But of course! I've enjoyed reading your account of the Exumas. It sounded like you hit all of the high spots. With any luck we'll be leaving next week for a month or so in the Bahamas. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:44:15 -0400, "Flying Pig" wrote: As the wind built, so did the seas, and we were no longer roughly in phase with them. That creates a condition where, if it becomes severe enough, you can have an induced broach. The solution, of course, is to not run dead down wind in a heavy breeze. The problem goes away if you harden up to a broad reach with jib and main on the same side. The rolling stops and speed generally improves. You will need to jibe once in a while but that's a small price to pay for a safer, more comfortable point of sail. Wrong! So sad that people (notice how I don't use the word, 'sailor') advocate course changes because of crap equipment. The REAL solution is to get rid of the wind-up sails. Sad tale of woe after sad tail of woe is due to malfunctions of wind-ups. One NEVER hears of such a thing with real, hanked-on headsails. Going downwind in a sloop requires the use of a spinnaker or cruising chute. Messing with poled out genoas is stupid and lubberly. Get a clue Skippy! Stop worshipping that motor and learn how to sail. Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
The REAL solution is to get rid of the wind-up sails. Sad tale of woe
after sad tail of woe is due to malfunctions of wind-ups. One NEVER hears of such a thing with real, hanked-on headsails. Going downwind in a sloop requires the use of a spinnaker or cruising chute. Messing with poled out genoas is stupid and lubberly. Get a clue Skippy! Stop worshipping that motor and learn how to sail. Wilbur Hubbard Nice to see you back :{)) Of course, I'd not have been on the foredeck otherwise, whereas those fabulous hankers would have required it every time I wanted to do some adjustment to the headsail. Corralling a large sail in fair seas, required in such circumstances, isn't high on my list. And, until we were beating unreasonably, Perky stayed listless (well, moribund, even). I admit I'm still learning how to sail. I hope I never get to the point where I think I know it all, as in complacency lies danger... L8R Skip, still trying to get Tropica Marine to stand up and take the heat for their misinstallation of our radar (wrong cable for the application) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... The REAL solution is to get rid of the wind-up sails. Sad tale of woe after sad tail of woe is due to malfunctions of wind-ups. One NEVER hears of such a thing with real, hanked-on headsails. Going downwind in a sloop requires the use of a spinnaker or cruising chute. Messing with poled out genoas is stupid and lubberly. Get a clue Skippy! Stop worshipping that motor and learn how to sail. Wilbur Hubbard Nice to see you back :{)) I've been lurking but, for the most part, there is little of worth to respond to lately. That phony at the Bangkok dock, most notably. Of course, I'd not have been on the foredeck otherwise, whereas those fabulous hankers would have required it every time I wanted to do some adjustment to the headsail. Corralling a large sail in fair seas, required in such circumstances, isn't high on my list. Sailors who whine and complain about going forward and install one expensive, complicated and trouble-prone system after another to keep from going forward are a bunch of wimps and pussies in my opinion. If you don't wish to go forward then don't sail. Going forward and changing out headsails to suit the conditions of wind and sea as the need arises is one of the more enjoyable aspects of sailing. Fear of or being too lazy to go forward is just plain clownish and lubberly. Incompetence when working forward is a sign of a lubberly, sailor wannabe. You should be as comfortable working on the foredeck as in the cockpit. You can be just as safe as well. Just clip in your harness to the jackline in heavy weather if you have a weak constitution. Unless you're a fanatic you need only 4 headsails for most cruises. 150% genny, working jib, 50% (storm) jib plus a cruising chute or spinnaker if you wish to make a little better time downwind. This inventory generally involves not too many trips forward depending upon the time of the year you sail. If you insist upon sailing in the summertime you will have to make more trips forward as there are many wind shifts and many wind speed changes mostly due to the proximity of thunderstorms, land masses etc. In the trades and wintertime fewer sail changes are called for. But, the key is to never dread changing a headsail. Do it soon and do it often. Never wait until conditions have deterioated so much that it becomes a chore. And, remember, even a large headsail or spinnaker becomes mostly docile when blanketed by the mainsail when running. Never forsake working in the lee of the mainsail when the winds pipe up unexpectedly. But, for this you need a competent helmsman (probably not Lydia) or a good autopilot that can accomplish the task while running. And, until we were beating unreasonably, Perky stayed listless (well, moribund, even). I admit I'm still learning how to sail. I hope I never get to the point where I think I know it all, as in complacency lies danger... The only real way to learn to sail it to do it without an engine. Oh, you can have your engine but don't run the damned thing. One of the stupidest and most disgusting things I see is lubberly sailors who use their motors like a binky. When the weather gets rowdy, even if they're still sailing and have the proper sails for the conditions, on comes the motor - just in case. Freaking stupid! Like Lionel and his security blanket. This is no way to sail! The ONLY time to run your engine is when the wind dies and dies completely. That's how you learn to sail. Many's the time I've sailed back and forth from the Bahamas with my engine removed from the transom and placed in the cockpit locker. But, the summertime is not the time to do it unless you enjoy an exercise in frustration as you'll be lucky to enjoy enough wind to get you in and out of inlets against the current or even with the current if you wait until it changes. You still need some little wind to have steerage. Drifting with the current without steerage way is not seamanlike. L8R Skip, still trying to get Tropica Marine to stand up and take the heat for their misinstallation of our radar (wrong cable for the application) Lose the radar! Sailboats don't need radar. Real sailors won't abide radar. Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Going forward and changing out headsails to suit the conditions of wind and sea as the need arises is one of the more enjoyable aspects of sailing. Maybe on a 26 ft boat, on a 46 with the wind and seas kicking up, not so much. Skip, what kind of fishing lure are you using? I'm impressed by your "catch". Any chance of a lure photo? |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Going forward and changing out headsails to suit the conditions of wind and sea as the need arises is one of the more enjoyable aspects of sailing. Maybe on a 26 ft boat, on a 46 with the wind and seas kicking up, not so much. Then he should get a boat more suitably sized to sailing shorthanded! Only a fool bites off more than he can chew. Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. When you pay attention to a radar screen and when you plot courses and heed all the information the screen has to offer you are ignoring all other aspects of sailing. Radar doesn't show depth of water, for instance. In other words those sailors attempting to use radar properly do so at the peril of disregarding all the other important aspects of sailing. Radar needs a dedicated radar operator. Skippy nor anybody else can competently handle radar and sailing at the same time. Those are the facts. Radar, for a lone hander or shorthander like Skippy, is a dangerous distraction and nothing more than that. It invites trouble as it's used as an excuse to go where you shouldn't be going in the first place. Lose the radar! Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Radar doesn't show depth of water, for instance. In other words those sailors attempting to use radar properly do so at the peril of disregarding all the other important aspects of sailing. Radar needs a dedicated radar operator. Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks. Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are detected, and then go back to sleep. I've sailed thousands of miles at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it again if I have a choice. |
Fishing Lures (was) Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
Skip, what kind of fishing lure are you using? I'm impressed by your
"catch". Any chance of a lure photo? Hi, Wayne, and list, The mahi was pretty small as they go, but still ample food. Lures have ranged from raw cedar tuna plugs to painted tuna plugs, to gummi-bear material skirted hooks, to a spoon with the hook screwed in the middle (there's prolly a name for that but if there is I don't remember it). Doesn't seem to matter. If they ain't there, they won't bite. If they are, it doesn't seem to matter to them. The only constant is no cut or live bait. Just hooks on the end of the line with something which interests them. Once caught three in a row, in very short order, on different lures (I never have two of the same time behind the boat, cuz, like you, I'm baffled as to any certainty of lure). HTH... -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
wrote in message
... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts. That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10 mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY! Here's a link to a compact yacht radar: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14 amps. You're even more clueless than poor Skippy! Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
Wilbur,
Stick to stuff you understand. 1. The VHF is on at a100% duty cycle so it's output is 25 watts as you stated. 2. The RADAR has a pulsed output. The shorter the pulse the better the resolution of the radar. I remember one 25KW radar I was repairing only used 5 watts for the magnetron. Power consumed depends on the pulse width and the pulse repetition frequency. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
wrote in message
... Wilbur, Stick to stuff you understand. 1. The VHF is on at a100% duty cycle so it's output is 25 watts as you stated. 2. The RADAR has a pulsed output. The shorter the pulse the better the resolution of the radar. I remember one 25KW radar I was repairing only used 5 watts for the magnetron. Power consumed depends on the pulse width and the pulse repetition frequency. That's odd, I could have sworn the link I posted rated the yacht radar described at 2.2 kilowatt output. Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
It is a 2.2 KW pulse for say one microsecond 200 times a second and off the
rest of the time. Do the math, 200 microseconds on the rest of the time it is off. You can see this is not going to be a very high average power. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
wrote in message
... It is a 2.2 KW pulse for say one microsecond 200 times a second and off the rest of the time. Do the math, 200 microseconds on the rest of the time it is off. You can see this is not going to be a very high average power. I see your point. If it only runs at that kilowatt output for 1/10 of a second then for the entire second it will have a draw 1/10 for the entire second. When talking amps it is better to talk amp/hours. But even so, 2.2 kilowatts - one tenth of that is still 22 watts only for generating the signal. You still have gears and motor turning that rotor and you still have the receiver power draw, the cpu power draw and the screen power draw. That idiot who claimed his radar only draws 2.1 amps continuously is lying. You don't get something for nothing. Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
A microsecond is one millionth of a second.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsecond Not 1/10 of a second. 200/1,000,000 of a second or 0.0002 second. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
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Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:00:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts. That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10 mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY! Here's a link to a compact yacht radar: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14 amps. You're even more clueless than poor Skippy! Wilbur Hubbard Interesting that the example you picked is the EXACT model I have. It draws what I said it draws. Furuno agrees with me, if you look in the manual. It has a range of 16 miles. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:48:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message ... Wilbur, Stick to stuff you understand. 1. The VHF is on at a100% duty cycle so it's output is 25 watts as you stated. 2. The RADAR has a pulsed output. The shorter the pulse the better the resolution of the radar. I remember one 25KW radar I was repairing only used 5 watts for the magnetron. Power consumed depends on the pulse width and the pulse repetition frequency. That's odd, I could have sworn the link I posted rated the yacht radar described at 2.2 kilowatt output. Wilbur Hubbard What a complete dope. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:16:30 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message ... It is a 2.2 KW pulse for say one microsecond 200 times a second and off the rest of the time. Do the math, 200 microseconds on the rest of the time it is off. You can see this is not going to be a very high average power. I see your point. If it only runs at that kilowatt output for 1/10 of a second then for the entire second it will have a draw 1/10 for the entire second. When talking amps it is better to talk amp/hours. But even so, 2.2 kilowatts - one tenth of that is still 22 watts only for generating the signal. You still have gears and motor turning that rotor and you still have the receiver power draw, the cpu power draw and the screen power draw. That idiot who claimed his radar only draws 2.1 amps continuously is lying. You don't get something for nothing. Wilbur Hubbard I got that figure out of the manual for my Furuno 1623 RADAR. And I didn't say my RADAR draws that much continuously. It draws considerably less than that most of the time. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19 PRF and RMS power
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:48:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message ... Wilbur, Stick to stuff you understand. 1. The VHF is on at a100% duty cycle so it's output is 25 watts as you stated. 2. The RADAR has a pulsed output. The shorter the pulse the better the resolution of the radar. I remember one 25KW radar I was repairing only used 5 watts for the magnetron. Power consumed depends on the pulse width and the pulse repetition frequency. That's odd, I could have sworn the link I posted rated the yacht radar described at 2.2 kilowatt output. Wilbur Hubbard You should have read the whole page before trying to use it as a reference, dumbass. Further down it says: Power consumption Max. 36 W, 8 W in standby mode To get it to draw the max, you would need to crank up the gain all the way while in 16 mile range. The only time you might do that for a very brief period is when looking for rain off in the distance. Realistically, you will almost never draw more than 2 amps, and most of the time less than that. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
wrote in message
... On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:00:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts. That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10 mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY! Here's a link to a compact yacht radar: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14 amps. You're even more clueless than poor Skippy! Wilbur Hubbard Interesting that the example you picked is the EXACT model I have. I'm just very intelligent and know just about everything including most of your personal life. It draws what I said it draws. Furuno agrees with me, if you look in the manual. It has a range of 16 miles. It draws more than 2.1 amps for the entire system. Don't you know the spec is only for the transceiver? It does not include the antenna and the motor that spins it. Get a clue. Your claim is way lame, dude. It's like me claiming my Adler Barbour draws only .01 amp on standby. Too bad on standby it doesn't cool squat. Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:48:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:00:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message om... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts. That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10 mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY! Here's a link to a compact yacht radar: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14 amps. You're even more clueless than poor Skippy! Wilbur Hubbard Interesting that the example you picked is the EXACT model I have. I'm just very intelligent and know just about everything including most of your personal life. It draws what I said it draws. Furuno agrees with me, if you look in the manual. It has a range of 16 miles. It draws more than 2.1 amps for the entire system. Don't you know the spec is only for the transceiver? It does not include the antenna and the motor that spins it. Get a clue. Your claim is way lame, dude. It's like me claiming my Adler Barbour draws only .01 amp on standby. Too bad on standby it doesn't cool squat. Wilbur Hubbard The advertised power of a RADAR is normally the peak transmitter power. Radar uses a pulsed transmission, and only transmits its peak advertised power for (usually) under 0.1% of the time. One RADAR I had transmitted an 0.08 uS pulse 2200 times per second. It had a 2.15 amp fuse (12 volt) feeding the whole system including the antenna motor and LCD display. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:48:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:00:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message om... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts. That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10 mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY! Here's a link to a compact yacht radar: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14 amps. You're even more clueless than poor Skippy! Wilbur Hubbard Interesting that the example you picked is the EXACT model I have. I'm just very intelligent and know just about everything including most of your personal life. It draws what I said it draws. Furuno agrees with me, if you look in the manual. It has a range of 16 miles. It draws more than 2.1 amps for the entire system. Don't you know the spec is only for the transceiver? It does not include the antenna and the motor that spins it. Get a clue. Your claim is way lame, dude. It's like me claiming my Adler Barbour draws only .01 amp on standby. Too bad on standby it doesn't cool squat. Wilbur Hubbard You are free to remain clueless. That's what everyone here expects of you. You have yet to disappoint them. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks. Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are detected, and then go back to sleep. I've sailed thousands of miles at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it again if I have a choice. You can get radar under a grand, and with a power consumption of less than 2 amps. A hundred amp alternator can put out a days worth of juice in fifteen minutes. You would need a hefty battery to absorb it that quick, however. Casady |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:00:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. You are so full of **** your eyes are floating. The figure for radars is peak power, the rating, not average, what the battery sees. By your math, your 2.2 kw radar would draw 180 amps. The monster alternator would not be cheap in the box, let alone installed. One more time. A 2kw radar draws less than two amps. By the way, one hundredth the power gives you thirty percent of the range. Power in the radar return is proportion to the fourth power of distance. Were you an English major? None of them ever took Physics. Casady |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: You can get radar under a grand, and with a power consumption of less than 2 amps. A hundred amp alternator can put out a days worth of juice in fifteen minutes. You would need a hefty battery to absorb it that quick, however. Wilbur hasn't yet figured out how to fit a 100 amp alternator to his outboard motor. |
Fishing Lures (was) Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:47:41 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: The only constant is no cut or live bait. Just hooks on the end of the line with something which interests them. Once caught three in a row, in very short order, on different lures (I never have two of the same time behind the boat, cuz, like you, I'm baffled as to any certainty of lure). Have you tried a nightcrawler wrapped stick of dynamite? Casady |
Fishing Lures (was) Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
"Richard Casady" wrote: Have you tried a nightcrawler wrapped stick of dynamite? From my childhood, most effective way to catch fish. A quart Mason jar with a rock inside for weight, add some carbide and water, then screw on cap and throw in water where it will sink to bottom. Wait a few minutes until enough acetylene gas is generated to explode the Mason jar, shocking fish which float to surface and can be retrieved at your leisure. Only problem, process is not selective, it kills ALL the fish in the area. Lew |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks. Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are detected, and then go back to sleep. I've sailed thousands of miles at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it again if I have a choice. Radar sunk the Andrea Doria. The 3rd officer on the Stockholm misread his. asady You can get radar under a grand, and with a power consumption of less than 2 amps. A hundred amp alternator can put out a days worth of juice in fifteen minutes. You would need a hefty battery to absorb it that quick, however. Casady |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:27:32 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks. Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are detected, and then go back to sleep. I've sailed thousands of miles at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it again if I have a choice. Radar sunk the Andrea Doria. The 3rd officer on the Stockholm misread his. Then the 3rd Officer on the Stockholm sank the Andrea Doria, not the RADAR. |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
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Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
Responding to abusive, wrong-headed posts from alias-Wilbur is very much
like banging one's head against a wall for fun - but I'll do it any way. Radar output is the transmit power from the magnetron. This pulse lasts 1 microsecond or less, and can be repeated 1000 times per second. 2.2 kW power for say 1 microsecond X 1000 per second gives AVERAGE power of 2.2 watts - but there is the processor, the display etc., etc so 20 to 30 watts while transmitting is in the ball park. A coupla amps in fact. I expect there was SOMETHING correct in alias-Wilbur's post, but I didn't look at it that closely. Brian W Wilbur Hubbard wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Real sailors won't abide radar. Bull Not bull! Fact! If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. False. My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I use the RADAR. LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts. That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10 mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY! Here's a link to a compact yacht radar: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts. Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14 amps. You're even more clueless than poor Skippy! Wilbur Hubbard |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19PRF and RMS power
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... Wilbur, Stick to stuff you understand. 1. The VHF is on at a100% duty cycle so it's output is 25 watts as you stated. 2. The RADAR has a pulsed output. The shorter the pulse the better the resolution of the radar. I remember one 25KW radar I was repairing only used 5 watts for the magnetron. Power consumed depends on the pulse width and the pulse repetition frequency. That's odd, I could have sworn the link I posted rated the yacht radar described at 2.2 kilowatt output. Wilbur Hubbard Oh my gosh..... will he ever learn? Brian W |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19PRF and RMS power
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... It is a 2.2 KW pulse for say one microsecond 200 times a second and off the rest of the time. Do the math, 200 microseconds on the rest of the time it is off. You can see this is not going to be a very high average power. I see your point. If it only runs at that kilowatt output for 1/10 of a second then for the entire second it will have a draw 1/10 for the entire second. When talking amps it is better to talk amp/hours. But even so, 2.2 kilowatts - one tenth of that is still 22 watts only for generating the signal. You still have gears and motor turning that rotor and you still have the receiver power draw, the cpu power draw and the screen power draw. That idiot who claimed his radar only draws 2.1 amps continuously is lying. You don't get something for nothing. Wilbur Hubbard What a clueless twit! Brian W |
Lucaya, Grand Bahama Island to Saint Simons Island GA April 18-19
"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
... Responding to abusive, wrong-headed posts from alias-Wilbur is very much like banging one's head against a wall for fun - but I'll do it any way. Radar output is the transmit power from the magnetron. This pulse lasts 1 microsecond or less, and can be repeated 1000 times per second. 2.2 kW power for say 1 microsecond X 1000 per second gives AVERAGE power of 2.2 watts - but there is the processor, the display etc., etc so 20 to 30 watts while transmitting is in the ball park. A coupla amps in fact. I expect there was SOMETHING correct in alias-Wilbur's post, but I didn't look at it that closely. If you aren't transmitting you aren't using radar. Doh! And, if you have working radar you are REQUIRED by the COLREGS to have it on and operational at ALL TIMES that you are under way. RULE 7 RISK OF COLISION (a) Every vessel shall use all available means appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and conditions to determine if risk of collision exists. If there is any doubt such risk shall be deemed to exist. (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. (note: proper use does not mean turning the damned thing off to conserver your battery power!!!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We all know manufacturers fudge their stats to make it look like their products are not the power hogs they really are. I refuse to believe the claim that Rube made about their radar set only using 2.1 amps. It's obviously way understated. Hell, the LCD display alone on my laptop draws about that much power. The power brick outputs 19 volts DC at 4.5 amps. The radar set is a computer, too. It has a processor and that antenna spins inside the dome so it has a motor and motors draw lots of amperage. We all know that. The bottom line is my original statement stands. Radar sets for sailboats draw way too much power to be viable unless you run your motor or a genset all the friggin' time. Wilbur Hubbard |
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