On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:53:21 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"David Martel" wrote in message
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Wilbur,

What's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgPJNk4vQM

Seem to be lots of pictures on the web, too.

Dave M.



What is that but a video taken from a boat that seems to be bobbing up and
down with waves coming towards it. There is absolutely no evidence of the
slightest bit of forward motion nor of any propelling device. The thing
could be anchored for all one can see of it. If any of this were real there
would exist hundreds of videos showing this craft and others moving directly
upwind against a marked course (maybe fixed buoys) taken from directly above
with plenty of wind vanes in plain view. There would be videos of an
impartial certification team that thoroughly checking out the vessel for
hidden propulsion methods such as batteries or other outside sources of
power. But such videos do not exist and will not exist unless they are
highly faked and unsubstantiated.

Wilbur Hubbard


I just checked YouTube, as well as a Google search of the entire
internet, and there is not a single video of Wilbur Hubbard.

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:53:21 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
I just checked YouTube, as well as a Google search of the entire
internet, and there is not a single video of Wilbur Hubbard.


Ya, but we KNOW he doesn't really exist. ;-)


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The was an article in Popular Mechanics (maybe Popular Science) more than 30
years ago, I think, about a home brew inventor in Australia (maybe New
Zealand) who had developed a wind powered boat that did just this.
IIRC he had started with a keel boat that had been split down the middle and
a section added to give greater beam. He could vary the pitch of the
windmill blades according to conditions, and the power from it went to a
large slow turning and efficient propeller.
He could power dead upwind, and boat speed was about the same regardless of
wind direction.
Future plans were to mount the system on a catamaran with the prop located
between the hulls about where the bow waves converged.

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
"Capt.Bill" wrote in message
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http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1


Nobody's seen it because it doesn't exist. It is a pipe dream. Notice on
the site there are no photographs of it in action. Just drawings. It can't
work. You cannot harness enough wind power with a windmill on a boat to
make the entire untethered vessel proceed directly upwind. It isn't going
to happen because it defies the laws of physics.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:58:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Capt.Bill" wrote in message
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http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1


Nobody's seen it because it doesn't exist. It is a pipe dream. Notice on the
site there are no photographs of it in action. Just drawings. It can't work.
You cannot harness enough wind power with a windmill on a boat to make the
entire untethered vessel proceed directly upwind. It isn't going to happen
because it defies the laws of physics.

They screwed up with that windmill stuff, and directly into the wind.
Should have said it was always tacking upwind, with a simple auto
tiller mechanism switching between port and starboard tack
every so often as it wound itself up.
Maybe add something about a wind harp aboard, always being strummed
and emitting melodious or martial tones as the winds changed.
"Have you seen it?" "Have you heard it?"
Add a sound file to the web site so folks can hear what it sounds
like. Charge for a full length version, gull squawks included.
Dummy up a reasonable drawing or photoshop a pic.
No sense lying small-time, right?

--Vic

"Capt.Bill" wrote in message ...
http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1

So when the wind blows off the land, the thing sprouts wheels?

I'd rather go where I want to go, not where the wind wants to take me!

DP

Real men don't sail to windward
"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message ...

"Capt.Bill" wrote in message ...
http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1

So when the wind blows off the land, the thing sprouts wheels?

I'd rather go where I want to go, not where the wind wants to take me!

DP

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:58:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Capt.Bill" wrote in message
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http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1


Nobody's seen it because it doesn't exist. It is a pipe dream. Notice on
the
site there are no photographs of it in action. Just drawings. It can't
work.
You cannot harness enough wind power with a windmill on a boat to make the
entire untethered vessel proceed directly upwind. It isn't going to happen
because it defies the laws of physics.

They screwed up with that windmill stuff, and directly into the wind.
Should have said it was always tacking upwind, with a simple auto
tiller mechanism switching between port and starboard tack
every so often as it wound itself up.
Maybe add something about a wind harp aboard, always being strummed
and emitting melodious or martial tones as the winds changed.
"Have you seen it?" "Have you heard it?"
Add a sound file to the web site so folks can hear what it sounds
like. Charge for a full length version, gull squawks included.
Dummy up a reasonable drawing or photoshop a pic.
No sense lying small-time, right?

--Vic
If I find, I'll steal it and use it in the Indian River raft race!

Capt.Bill wrote:
http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1


This looks like a rather large poetic version, perhaps less efficient,
than the first prototype upwind model: this is a shaft with a small
water prop on one end, and an air prop - a windmill really - on the
other end.
The shaft is held up at an angle by one or several floats to carry the
shaft. Though it's hard to believe, this kind of water/windmill really
does propel itself upwind always.

Brian W

Dennis Pogson wrote:

"Capt.Bill"
wrote in message
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http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1
http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1

So when the wind blows off the land, the thing sprouts wheels?

I'd rather go where */I/* want to go, not where the wind wants to take me!

DP


I guess Dennis meant that the water/windmill would be in trouble with an
on-shore breeze. Yep.

Brian W

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:45:40 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

Dennis Pogson wrote:

"Capt.Bill"
wrote in message
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http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1
http://www.windvinder.com/index.php?id=14&L=1

So when the wind blows off the land, the thing sprouts wheels?

I'd rather go where */I/* want to go, not where the wind wants to take me!

DP


I guess Dennis meant that the water/windmill would be in trouble with an
on-shore breeze. Yep.

At least they covered that in the link. 45 languages on a plaque
telling whoever found it aground to send it on its way again.
If the thing ever existed, it's now part of a Cuban '57 Chevy.

--Vic